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If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie
no drains) what laws are been broken? -- Adam |
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ARW wrote:
If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? -- Adam Problem is it would be classed as foul waste (kitchen grease food fragments etc) and so come under building regs which are enshrined in law. It will stink after a while. If it does not cause a nuisance to others then you will possibly get away with it. For years I have a washing machine in my garage discharging into a 50 gallon drum with a seep hose discharging on the gravel between my house and neighbours. I just raked over the gravel now and then when it started turning white with the detergent residues. |
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I'd imagine that depends on what you put down the sink!
Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "ARW" wrote in message ... If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? -- Adam |
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On Saturday, 14 April 2018 16:10:53 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? If it's an old house with shallow foundations, the law of gravity might get broken NT |
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Brian Gaff wrote:
Recycle plastic cartons like butter etc, OK? In V1 of our council's scheme they wouldn't take butter/yoghurt containers, in V2 they will take them, along with plenty of other things they previously wouldn't. No matter how diligent you are, when you have finished there is a residue, so you wash them oin the sink and all that fat goes down and creates fat burgs I don't dick about washing anything that's going into recycling ... |
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On 14/04/2018 16:10, ARW wrote:
If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? -- Adam Possibly none - as long as none of it finds its way into a water course. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 14/04/2018 23:30, Roger Mills wrote:
On 14/04/2018 16:10, ARW wrote: If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? Possibly none - as long as none of it finds its way into a water course. Bugger. I now wish I had not spotted this problem. The nearest river is very close. In fact so close that a 3m length of waste pipe could easily discharge the kitchen sink waste into the river. A small house with a few little quirks. I cannot find a stop tap or indeed the entry point of a water pipe into the building and I have no idea where the saniflow from one of the two toilets pumps to. Now I would say that I know buildings better than most people but this one has me baffled. A 3 hour search today looking for the mains water entry point revealed nothing. -- Adam |
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On Sunday, 15 April 2018 00:44:35 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
On 14/04/2018 23:30, Roger Mills wrote: On 14/04/2018 16:10, ARW wrote: If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? Possibly none - as long as none of it finds its way into a water course. Bugger. I now wish I had not spotted this problem. The nearest river is very close. In fact so close that a 3m length of waste pipe could easily discharge the kitchen sink waste into the river. A small house with a few little quirks. I cannot find a stop tap or indeed the entry point of a water pipe into the building and I have no idea where the saniflow from one of the two toilets pumps to. Now I would say that I know buildings better than most people but this one has me baffled. A 3 hour search today looking for the mains water entry point revealed nothing. Look outside for stop tap under metal cover. Look in neighbour's house. In old buildings, one stop tap sometimes covered several houses. |
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On 15/04/18 00:44, ARW wrote:
On 14/04/2018 23:30, Roger Mills wrote: On 14/04/2018 16:10, ARW wrote: If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? Possibly none - as long as none of it finds its way into a water course. Bugger. I now wish I had not spotted this problem. The nearest river is very close. In fact so close that a 3m length of waste pipe could easily discharge the kitchen sink waste into the river. A small house with a few little quirks. I cannot find a stop tap or indeed the entry point of a water pipe into the building and I have no idea where the saniflow from one of the two toilets pumps to. Now I would say that I know buildings better than most people but this one has me baffled. A 3 hour search today looking for the mains water entry point revealed nothing. I assume you are on an unmetered supply, or a stopcock would have been fitted next to the meter. Mind you, if you have considered having a meter fitted, your water supplier would have to find a suitable place for it and put a stopcock next to it; might save you a bit of bother searching for it. Anyway, if you have a stopcock, it might be outside somewhere which has been covered by soil. In our last house (fairly new - built in 1978) I looked under the kitchen sink for a stopcock as I wanted to replace the taps. There wasn't one, and I couldn't see where the mains water pipe went after it disappeared into the floor. A few weeks later, by sheer chance, I was clearing out a kitchen cupboard on an internal wall which backed onto the cloakroom and found a chipboard "false" wall and shelf over it, going back a few inches to the real wall. After removing the shelf, I found the stopcock. So it appeared that the mains supply entered the house under the front door, hall, and cloakroom, and then went into a kitchen cupboard. Needless to say, it then took an hour to loosen the stopcock so I could actually make use of it... -- Jeff |
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"ARW" wrote in message ... If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? it's waste water not foul so who cares .......... |
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On 15/04/2018 10:05, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"ARW" wrote in message ... If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? it's waste water not foul so who cares .......... Where does the legislation for Scotland mean water from a kitchen sink is not "foul"? AFAICS the position seems to be as in England. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On 15/04/2018 10:05, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"ARW" wrote in message ... If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? it's waste water not foul so who cares .......... Rubbish, it is grey water, not waste water. Needs to be connected to mains sewage or a private treatment system. With a river 3 metres away, there are some potentially big fines for contaminating water courses. |
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On 15/04/2018 08:41, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 15/04/18 00:44, ARW wrote: On 14/04/2018 23:30, Roger Mills wrote: On 14/04/2018 16:10, ARW wrote: If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? Possibly none - as long as none of it finds its way into a water course. Bugger. I now wish I had not spotted this problem. The nearest river is very close. In fact so close that a 3m length of waste pipe could easily discharge the kitchen sink waste into the river. A small house with a few little quirks. I cannot find a stop tap or indeed the entry point of a water pipe into the building and I have no idea where the saniflow from one of the two toilets pumps to. Now I would say that I know buildings better than most people but this one has me baffled. A 3 hour search today looking for the mains water entry point revealed nothing. I assume you are on an unmetered supply, or a stopcock would have been fitted next to the meter. Mind you, if you have considered having a meter fitted, your water supplier would have to find a suitable place for it and put a stopcock next to it; might save you a bit of bother searching for it. Anyway, if you have a stopcock, it might be outside somewhere which has been covered by soil. In our last house (fairly new - built in 1978) I looked under the kitchen sink for a stopcock as I wanted to replace the taps. There wasn't one, and I couldn't see where the mains water pipe went after it disappeared into the floor. A few weeks later, by sheer chance, I was clearing out a kitchen cupboard on an internal wall which backed onto the cloakroom and found a chipboard "false" wall and shelf over it, going back a few inches to the real wall. After removing the shelf, I found the stopcock. So it appeared that the mains supply entered the house under the front door, hall, and cloakroom, and then went into a kitchen cupboard. Needless to say, it then took an hour to loosen the stopcock so I could actually make use of it... A metered supply with a the meter outside not far away. Of course it's full if **** so I don't know if its a copper or MDPE pipe I am looking for. Just inside the building from the meter is an old capped off stop tap with a lead pipe. Solid floors and no sign of a pipe (other than the capped off one) coming up out of the floor. I had all the kick boards off and hammered away the dot and dab plasterboard behind them to see if there was a buried pipe. That just leaves the stud wall between the kitchen and toilet with the saniflow (the saniflow disappears into the stud wall) and I do not have permission to damage that wall. Now the other toilet waste just disappears straight down and there is no soil stack at all on or in the building. -- Adam |
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On 15/04/2018 10:31, Huge wrote:
On 2018-04-14, Andy Burns wrote: Brian Gaff wrote: Recycle plastic cartons like butter etc, OK? In V1 of our council's scheme they wouldn't take butter/yoghurt containers, in V2 they will take them, along with plenty of other things they previously wouldn't. Which is one of the (several) things that **** me off about so-called "recycling" schemes. There should be a single country-wide scheme. Preferably like the one here, where all recyclable waste goes into a single bin. And as for idiotic schemes where stuff marked as recyclable isn't accepted, words fail me. No matter how diligent you are, when you have finished there is a residue, so you wash them oin the sink and all that fat goes down and creates fat burgs I don't dick about washing anything that's going into recycling ... Good man, me neither. Use my expensively heated metered water to wash garbage? Forget it. I'm reasonably sure that if you did a Total Cost analysis of domestic recycling schemes, they'd be shown to be pointless. The only reason they "work" is the artificially inflated cost of land-fill and because they push a lot of the cost onto the householder, where it's hidden. I'm inclined to agree. But suitable incinerators do potentially supply some useful energy, and there is an externality cost to land-fill, even if it is normally likely to be rather lower than the "tax". Round here it is the greenies who are most likely to oppose the incinerator, which I find somewhat ironic. |
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On Sunday, 15 April 2018 12:22:57 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
That just leaves the stud wall between the kitchen and toilet with the saniflow (the saniflow disappears into the stud wall) and I do not have permission to damage that wall. Chuck some dye down it, at least that will tell you if it's coming out near the river. Owain |
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Wrote in message:
On Sunday, 15 April 2018 12:22:57 UTC+1, ARW wrote: That just leaves the stud wall between the kitchen and toilet with the saniflow (the saniflow disappears into the stud wall) and I do not have permission to damage that wall. Chuck some dye down it, at least that will tell you if it's coming out near the river. Owain Do it on a friday evening.... -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 15/04/18 10:05, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"ARW" wrote in message ... If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? it's waste water not foul so who cares .......... Waste water is foul water dickhead -- The New Left are the people they warned you about. |
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ARW Wrote in message:
On 15/04/2018 13:22, wrote: On Sunday, 15 April 2018 12:22:57 UTC+1, ARW wrote: That just leaves the stud wall between the kitchen and toilet with the saniflow (the saniflow disappears into the stud wall) and I do not have permission to damage that wall. Chuck some dye down it, at least that will tell you if it's coming out near the river. I am sure the sanoflow is not pumping into the river:-) I have also found the stop tap. It is between the side of a kitchen cupboard and a wall. After all that its in the obvious ideal place ;-) Looking forward to the foul drains conclusion :-) -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 15/04/2018 18:42, ARW wrote:
On 15/04/2018 13:22, wrote: On Sunday, 15 April 2018 12:22:57 UTC+1, ARWÂ* wrote: That just leaves the stud wall between the kitchen and toilet with the saniflow (the saniflow disappears into the stud wall) and I do not have permission to damage that wall. Chuck some dye down it, at least that will tell you if it's coming out near the river. I am sure the sanoflow is not pumping into the river:-) I have also found the stop tap. It is between the side of a kitchen cupboard and a wall. Result! Mind you, if Sod's having a really, really good day that'll be a tap head left neatly vertical by the kitchen fitter - in a gap too small to turn it ;) Pity, I was going to suggest you tried acoustic water tracing the old fashioned way - as still practised by Thames Water 15 years ago. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On 15/04/2018 19:28, Robin wrote:
On 15/04/2018 18:42, ARW wrote: On 15/04/2018 13:22, wrote: On Sunday, 15 April 2018 12:22:57 UTC+1, ARWÂ* wrote: That just leaves the stud wall between the kitchen and toilet with the saniflow (the saniflow disappears into the stud wall) and I do not have permission to damage that wall. Chuck some dye down it, at least that will tell you if it's coming out near the river. I am sure the sanoflow is not pumping into the river:-) I have also found the stop tap. It is between the side of a kitchen cupboard and a wall. Result!Â* Mind you, if Sod's having a really, really good day that'll be a tap head left neatly vertical by the kitchen fitter - in a gap too small to turn it ;) Pity, I was going to suggest you tried acoustic water tracing the old fashioned way - as still practised by Thames Water 15 years ago. Old fashioned is still good. I found it by turning on the cold tap in the back room and listening to various walls and kitchen cupboards with a glass. -- Adam |
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On 15/04/2018 10:05, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote:
wrote in message ... If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? it's waste water not foul so who cares .......... It can still contain some nasty chemicals from washing machines and dishwashers, which you wouldn't want to get into a water supply. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 15/04/2018 15:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 15/04/18 10:05, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote: "ARW" wrote in message ... If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? it's waste water not foul so who cares .......... Waste water is foul water dickhead There is a distinction between grey water and sewage, but you don't want even grey water getting into a water course. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On 15/04/18 20:11, Roger Mills wrote:
On 15/04/2018 15:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 15/04/18 10:05, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote: "ARW" wrote in message ... If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? it's waste water not foul so who cares .......... Waste water is foul water dickhead There is a distinction between grey water and sewage, Not for Jim. He doesnt even take the dishes out first.... -- You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. Al Capone |
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On 15/04/18 18:42, ARW wrote:
On 15/04/2018 13:22, wrote: On Sunday, 15 April 2018 12:22:57 UTC+1, ARW wrote: That just leaves the stud wall between the kitchen and toilet with the saniflow (the saniflow disappears into the stud wall) and I do not have permission to damage that wall. Chuck some dye down it, at least that will tell you if it's coming out near the river. I am sure the sanoflow is not pumping into the river:-) I have also found the stop tap. It is between the side of a kitchen cupboard and a wall. Almost the same as my experience. Do you think it's a sort of game architects play - "Find the stopcock"? -- Jeff |
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On 16/04/18 08:19, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 15/04/18 18:42, ARW wrote: On 15/04/2018 13:22, wrote: On Sunday, 15 April 2018 12:22:57 UTC+1, ARWÂ* wrote: That just leaves the stud wall between the kitchen and toilet with the saniflow (the saniflow disappears into the stud wall) and I do not have permission to damage that wall. Chuck some dye down it, at least that will tell you if it's coming out near the river. I am sure the sanoflow is not pumping into the river:-) I have also found the stop tap. It is between the side of a kitchen cupboard and a wall. Almost the same as my experience. Do you think it's a sort of game architects play - "Find the stopcock"? No, its a game developers play. The plumbers come in and fit the pipework ready for the kitchen fitters, and the kitchen fitters come and cover it all up. -- Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not. Ayn Rand. |
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"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message ... On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 10:39:46 +0100, Robin wrote: On 15/04/2018 10:05, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote: "ARW" wrote in message ... If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? it's waste water not foul so who cares .......... Where does the legislation for Scotland mean water from a kitchen sink is not "foul"? AFAICS the position seems to be as in England. Would you rather a kitchen sink outlet or a toilet outlet flooded into your garden? a bidet was also classed as waste not foul........ |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... On 15/04/18 10:05, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote: "ARW" wrote in message ... If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? it's waste water not foul so who cares .......... Waste water is foul water dickhead not in my book ...... |
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"Roger Mills" wrote in message ... On 15/04/2018 15:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 15/04/18 10:05, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote: "ARW" wrote in message ... If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? it's waste water not foul so who cares .......... Waste water is foul water dickhead There is a distinction between grey water and sewage, but you don't want even grey water getting into a water course. grey water is waste water yes...... |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... On 15/04/18 20:11, Roger Mills wrote: On 15/04/2018 15:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 15/04/18 10:05, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote: "ARW" wrote in message ... If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? it's waste water not foul so who cares .......... Waste water is foul water dickhead There is a distinction between grey water and sewage, Not for Jim. He doesnt even take the dishes out first.... sorry i am old fashioned and favour the three pipe system just like the old sensible days ........ |
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"Roger Mills" wrote in message ... On 15/04/2018 10:05, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote: wrote in message ... If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? it's waste water not foul so who cares .......... It can still contain some nasty chemicals from washing machines and dishwashers, which you wouldn't want to get into a water supply. yes but one wee sink into a soakaway is not going to kill anybody ......the dickheads are the diy punters that stick a cludgy or shower into the rw side of a two pipe system .........just because it was handy...... |
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What lives in the sea, and goes dah di dah dit, dah dah dit dah? A morse cod. why would a fish call CQ ??? |
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"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message ... On Sat, 14 Apr 2018 16:38:41 +0100, Bob Minchin wrote: ARW wrote: If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? -- Adam Problem is it would be classed as foul waste (kitchen grease food fragments etc) and so come under building regs which are enshrined in law. It will stink after a while. If it does not cause a nuisance to others then you will possibly get away with it. For years I have a washing machine in my garage discharging into a 50 gallon drum with a seep hose discharging on the gravel between my house and neighbours. I just raked over the gravel now and then when it started turning white with the detergent residues. I just feed mine into the downpipe from the garage. which is wrong but probably goes into a combined system i hope ....... |
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On 16/04/2018 14:47, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... On 15/04/18 10:05, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote: "ARW" wrote in message ... If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? it's waste water not foul so who cares .......... Waste water is foul water dickhead not in my book ...... Up to the age of 14 I lived in a house with only a rudimentary soak away for the outflow from the kitchen sink. It was in the middle of an area about 12 ft square planted with bushes. It never stank, or seemed to cause a problem. Mike |
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"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 14:46:46 +0100, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote: "James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message ... On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 10:39:46 +0100, Robin wrote: On 15/04/2018 10:05, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote: "ARW" wrote in message ... If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? it's waste water not foul so who cares .......... Where does the legislation for Scotland mean water from a kitchen sink is not "foul"? AFAICS the position seems to be as in England. Would you rather a kitchen sink outlet or a toilet outlet flooded into your garden? a bidet was also classed as waste not foul........ Percentage-wise, less yucky stuff? still there though...... |
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"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 14:49:56 +0100, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote: "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... On 15/04/18 20:11, Roger Mills wrote: On 15/04/2018 15:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 15/04/18 10:05, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote: "ARW" wrote in message ... If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? it's waste water not foul so who cares .......... Waste water is foul water dickhead There is a distinction between grey water and sewage, Not for Jim. He doesnt even take the dishes out first.... sorry i am old fashioned and favour the three pipe system just like the old sensible days ........ THREE?! yes foul, waste and rainwater ... |
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"Muddymike" wrote in message ... On 16/04/2018 14:47, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote: "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... On 15/04/18 10:05, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote: "ARW" wrote in message ... If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? it's waste water not foul so who cares .......... Waste water is foul water dickhead not in my book ...... Up to the age of 14 I lived in a house with only a rudimentary soak away for the outflow from the kitchen sink. It was in the middle of an area about 12 ft square planted with bushes. It never stank, or seemed to cause a problem. Mike there you go ...just what I was saying wasn't much of a problem and got called a dick head for my trouble......... |
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"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 14:53:51 +0100, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote: What lives in the sea, and goes dah di dah dit, dah dah dit dah? A morse cod. why would a fish call CQ ??? It's HQ, but for the sea, innit? is it? |
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"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 14:55:02 +0100, Jim.GM4DHJ ... wrote: "James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message ... On Sat, 14 Apr 2018 16:38:41 +0100, Bob Minchin wrote: ARW wrote: If the kitchen sink waste is just discharging into the back garden (ie no drains) what laws are been broken? -- Adam Problem is it would be classed as foul waste (kitchen grease food fragments etc) and so come under building regs which are enshrined in law. It will stink after a while. If it does not cause a nuisance to others then you will possibly get away with it. For years I have a washing machine in my garage discharging into a 50 gallon drum with a seep hose discharging on the gravel between my house and neighbours. I just raked over the gravel now and then when it started turning white with the detergent residues. I just feed mine into the downpipe from the garage. which is wrong but probably goes into a combined system i hope ....... When I did it I didn't know there was such a thing as dual systems. More recently I've found the systems are seperate in my front garden (when I was unblocking a drain). When I've built the extension the washing machine will be moved and I'll plumb it correctly. dickhead .... |
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