I've got a 25W Antex iron with, on the recommendations of those here,
the silicone cable. A lot nicer to use than the standard flex I've
always had before but, in the 18/24 months I've had it, I've had to to
chop the plug off 3 times and remake the end as the cable cores have
broken near the strain relief. This last time I've also had to redo the
element end.

Because it's pliable the silicone is also very strechy and it takes its
toll on the wire inside (which, incidentally, seems to be steel rather
than copper.) After the first time, which I put down to letting the plug
drop before coiling it back up, I've been careful but it still gives
out. It lives in the toolbox as it has to travel rather than on a desk
but doesn't have a particularly abused life.

So, before I end up with a 6" mains lead, where can I get a different
grade of silicone something tougher if slightly less flexible? Or even
the same stuff as I have now - can't seem to turn any up on eBay?

--
Scott

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

On 23/03/2018 21:42, Scott M wrote:

I've got a 25W Antex iron with, on the recommendations of those here,
the silicone cable. A lot nicer to use than the standard flex I've
always had before but, in the 18/24 months I've had it, I've had to to
chop the plug off 3 times and remake the end as the cable cores have
broken near the strain relief. This last time I've also had to redo the
element end.

Because it's pliable the silicone is also very strechy and it takes its
toll on the wire inside (which, incidentally, seems to be steel rather
than copper.) After the first time, which I put down to letting the plug
drop before coiling it back up, I've been careful but it still gives
out. It lives in the toolbox as it has to travel rather than on a desk
but doesn't have a particularly abused life.

So, before I end up with a 6" mains lead, where can I get a different
grade of silicone something tougher if slightly less flexible? Or even
the same stuff as I have now - can't seem to turn any up on eBay?

Can you sleeve the last few inches with sticky heat shrink to make it a
bit more robust? And then clamp the strain relief on that, obviously.

newshound wrote:
On 23/03/2018 21:42, Scott M wrote:

So, before I end up with a 6" mains lead, where can I get a different
grade of silicone something tougher if slightly less flexible? Or even
the same stuff as I have now - can't seem to turn any up on eBay?

Can you sleeve the last few inches with sticky heat shrink to make it a
bit more robust? And then clamp the strain relief on that, obviously.

That's a good thought. Not got any sticky stuff but I suppose a squeeze
of glue might work.

--
Scott

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 22:39:07 +0000, Scott M wrote:

newshound wrote:
On 23/03/2018 21:42, Scott M wrote:

So, before I end up with a 6" mains lead, where can I get a different
grade of silicone something tougher if slightly less flexible? Or even
the same stuff as I have now - can't seem to turn any up on eBay?

Can you sleeve the last few inches with sticky heat shrink to make it a
bit more robust? And then clamp the strain relief on that, obviously.

That's a good thought. Not got any sticky stuff but I suppose a squeeze
of glue might work.

Strangely, I've had a similar Antex (my first only lasted about 35 years)
and I too went for the silicone cable. Never had any problem. It could be
that I hold it differently, or something.

It's partly pensioned off as I have splashed out out a new Weller WT1010.
Gulp.



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Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 22:39:07 +0000, Scott M wrote:

Strangely, I've had a similar Antex (my first only lasted about 35 years)
and I too went for the silicone cable. Never had any problem. It could be
that I hold it differently, or something.

This gets coiled up and put in the small tool box and comes out once per
job rather than living on a bench which probably doesn't help.

My previous one was a PVC cabled 18W Weller which was lasted years until
the element went when it was dropped hot. I replaced it but the new
element never ran as hot :-(

--
Scott

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

In article ,
Scott M wrote:
This gets coiled up and put in the small tool box and comes out once per
job rather than living on a bench which probably doesn't help.

I'd say an Antex a bit delicate for that sort of use. You want something
like a Henley Solon. ;-)

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 23/03/2018 22:39, Scott M wrote:
newshound wrote:
On 23/03/2018 21:42, Scott M wrote:

So, before I end up with a 6" mains lead, where can I get a different
grade of silicone something tougher if slightly less flexible? Or
even the same stuff as I have now - can't seem to turn any up on eBay?

Can you sleeve the last few inches with sticky heat shrink to make it
a bit more robust? And then clamp the strain relief on that, obviously.

That's a good thought. Not got any sticky stuff but I suppose a squeeze
of glue might work.

Ordinary heat shrink might work too. I also thought about injecting some
hot melt adhesive around the strain relief.

IMHO it is well worth having some "sticky heat shrink" in any toolbox,
readily available in all sizes on eBay.

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:42:57 +0000, Scott M
wrote:


I've got a 25W Antex iron with, on the recommendations of those here,
the silicone cable.

Hmm!

Silicone cable sounds good, but if you are in danger of burning the
cable, it suggests a problem with technique, not materials.

If the iron is class 1 then stick a length of PVC cable on it. If you
burn through the insulation there is no significant risk and you will
probably have a nasal, visible and acoustic indication of the event.

I owned and trashed literally hundreds of 25W irons in my time. I was
not the most cautious worker, but never ever burnt a flex down to its
conductors.

Later on we used Weller soldering stations, with silicone cable. These
were well and truly hammered, they were in virtually constant use, all
day, every day. A bit would last a few days at most, even with Savbit
a week was stretching the lifespan of the bit.

I never ever replaced a silicone cable.

The nature of the work meant that the irons were often used at full
stretch when trying mass component swaps in large drives, so even a
guitar string emulation was not detrimental.

AB

On Saturday, 24 March 2018 00:56:41 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:42:57 +0000, Scott M
wrote:


I've got a 25W Antex iron with, on the recommendations of those here,
the silicone cable.

Hmm!

Silicone cable sounds good, but if you are in danger of burning the
cable, it suggests a problem with technique, not materials.

If the iron is class 1 then stick a length of PVC cable on it. If you
burn through the insulation there is no significant risk and you will
probably have a nasal, visible and acoustic indication of the event.

Rubber is better, it burns through much slower & more nasally.

I owned and trashed literally hundreds of 25W irons in my time. I was
not the most cautious worker, but never ever burnt a flex down to its
conductors.

Later on we used Weller soldering stations, with silicone cable. These
were well and truly hammered, they were in virtually constant use, all
day, every day. A bit would last a few days at most, even with Savbit
a week was stretching the lifespan of the bit.

how on earth did you manage that? throw them away without bothering to clean or file? Broken thermostat?


NT

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 20:59:15 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, 24 March 2018 00:56:41 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:42:57 +0000, Scott M
wrote:


I've got a 25W Antex iron with, on the recommendations of those here,
the silicone cable.

Hmm!

Silicone cable sounds good, but if you are in danger of burning the
cable, it suggests a problem with technique, not materials.

If the iron is class 1 then stick a length of PVC cable on it. If you
burn through the insulation there is no significant risk and you will
probably have a nasal, visible and acoustic indication of the event.

Rubber is better, it burns through much slower & more nasally.

I owned and trashed literally hundreds of 25W irons in my time. I was
not the most cautious worker, but never ever burnt a flex down to its
conductors.

Later on we used Weller soldering stations, with silicone cable. These
were well and truly hammered, they were in virtually constant use, all
day, every day. A bit would last a few days at most, even with Savbit
a week was stretching the lifespan of the bit.

how on earth did you manage that? throw them away without bothering to clean or file? Broken thermostat?

Iron coated, we used to have little tubs of some kind of abrasive
powder and the soggy sponge.

The iron coating would give at one small spot, then that was it,
exponential wear and the file came out as the copper would just
oxydise.

I might add that the thermostat was usually wacked fully up.

Temp control is good in theory, but there was no doubt that to
depopulate and resolder a board quickly, the heat had to be high.

Overtime was available, but times were not good, so a poor turn around
of work was an easy way to the jobcenter.

The type of job is still going and must be technically almost
impossible now. Anyone in the work [3rd party Electrical/ Electronics
repair], has my utmost respect and sympathy.

It truly is a breeding ground for stress, thrombies and loonies.

AB





NT

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:42:57 +0000, Scott M
wrote:

I've got a 25W Antex iron with, on the recommendations of those here,
the silicone cable.

Silicone cable sounds good, but if you are in danger of burning the
cable, it suggests a problem with technique, not materials.

Que? It's mechanical wear and tear to the conductors, nothing to do with
wrapping the cable round the hot bit!

--
Scott

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

Scott M wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:42:57 +0000, Scott M
wrote:

I've got a 25W Antex iron with, on the recommendations of those here,
the silicone cable.

Silicone cable sounds good, but if you are in danger of burning the
cable, it suggests a problem with technique, not materials.

Que? It's mechanical wear and tear to the conductors, nothing to do with
wrapping the cable round the hot bit!

It is the choice of silicone in the first place that is based on fear of
burning PVC.

--

Roger Hayter

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 10:32:04 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote:

Scott M wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:42:57 +0000, Scott M
wrote:

I've got a 25W Antex iron with, on the recommendations of those here,
the silicone cable.

Silicone cable sounds good, but if you are in danger of burning the
cable, it suggests a problem with technique, not materials.

Que? It's mechanical wear and tear to the conductors, nothing to do with
wrapping the cable round the hot bit!

It is the choice of silicone in the first place that is based on fear of
burning PVC.

Not with mine - it was a small iron being difficult to use in awkward places
with a 'flex' thet almost controlled where the bit went. I rewired 3 of them
and they were much easier to use.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 10:32:04 +0000
(Roger Hayter) wrote:

It is the choice of silicone in the first place that is based on fear
of burning PVC.

No, it's the better flexibility of silicone that is the selling point,
for me anyway.

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 07:31:43 +0000, Scott M wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:42:57 +0000, Scott M
wrote:

I've got a 25W Antex iron with, on the recommendations of those here,
the silicone cable.

Silicone cable sounds good, but if you are in danger of burning the
cable, it suggests a problem with technique, not materials.

Que? It's mechanical wear and tear to the conductors, nothing to do with
wrapping the cable round the hot bit!

Exactly, but if contact with heat is not a worry, why silicone cable?

PVC is fine, if you look hard you can find some that will set like a
poker in cold weather, and maybe a 15W litesold might be too light for
PVC, but a 25W iron is o/k with the cable supplied if the
manufacturers choice is PVC.

I have used just about every available 25W iron and used them in all
temperatures with no problem. I suppose some workshops were a bit
frosty first thing, but if it was cold enough to stiffen the mains
cable to the iron, the shivering of the operator would ensure a
multitude of dry joints anyway. Better to wait for the heating to kick
in.

Weller only supplied their soldering stations with silicone cable, but
this was never a factor in choosing the equipment. Should another
maker produce the same with PVC cable, if the cost saving was
channeled through to the final price, then the Weller wouldn't have
been ordered.

AB

On Saturday, 24 March 2018 10:40:24 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 07:31:43 +0000, Scott M wrote:
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:42:57 +0000, Scott M
wrote:

I've got a 25W Antex iron with, on the recommendations of those here,
the silicone cable.

Silicone cable sounds good, but if you are in danger of burning the
cable, it suggests a problem with technique, not materials.

Que? It's mechanical wear and tear to the conductors, nothing to do with
wrapping the cable round the hot bit!

Exactly, but if contact with heat is not a worry, why silicone cable?

PVC is fine, if you look hard you can find some that will set like a
poker in cold weather, and maybe a 15W litesold might be too light for
PVC, but a 25W iron is o/k with the cable supplied if the
manufacturers choice is PVC.

I have used just about every available 25W iron and used them in all
temperatures with no problem. I suppose some workshops were a bit
frosty first thing, but if it was cold enough to stiffen the mains
cable to the iron, the shivering of the operator would ensure a
multitude of dry joints anyway. Better to wait for the heating to kick
in.

Weller only supplied their soldering stations with silicone cable, but
this was never a factor in choosing the equipment. Should another
maker produce the same with PVC cable, if the cost saving was
channeled through to the final price, then the Weller wouldn't have
been ordered.

AB

PVC is fine. At least until the tip touches it and you have exposed conductors. I suppose cotton covered rubber, the old iron flex, would beat rubber alone.


NT

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 05:52:32 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, 24 March 2018 10:40:24 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 07:31:43 +0000, Scott M wrote:
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:42:57 +0000, Scott M
wrote:

I've got a 25W Antex iron with, on the recommendations of those here,
the silicone cable.

Silicone cable sounds good, but if you are in danger of burning the
cable, it suggests a problem with technique, not materials.

Que? It's mechanical wear and tear to the conductors, nothing to do with
wrapping the cable round the hot bit!

Exactly, but if contact with heat is not a worry, why silicone cable?

PVC is fine, if you look hard you can find some that will set like a
poker in cold weather, and maybe a 15W litesold might be too light for
PVC, but a 25W iron is o/k with the cable supplied if the
manufacturers choice is PVC.

I have used just about every available 25W iron and used them in all
temperatures with no problem. I suppose some workshops were a bit
frosty first thing, but if it was cold enough to stiffen the mains
cable to the iron, the shivering of the operator would ensure a
multitude of dry joints anyway. Better to wait for the heating to kick
in.

Weller only supplied their soldering stations with silicone cable, but
this was never a factor in choosing the equipment. Should another
maker produce the same with PVC cable, if the cost saving was
channeled through to the final price, then the Weller wouldn't have
been ordered.

AB

PVC is fine. At least until the tip touches it and you have exposed conductors. I suppose cotton covered rubber, the old iron flex, would beat rubber alone.


NT

Try to pay attention, theres a good chap :-)

AB

On 24/03/2018 12:52, wrote:
On Saturday, 24 March 2018 10:40:24 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 07:31:43 +0000, Scott M wrote:
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:42:57 +0000, Scott M
wrote:

I've got a 25W Antex iron with, on the recommendations of those here,
the silicone cable.

Silicone cable sounds good, but if you are in danger of burning the
cable, it suggests a problem with technique, not materials.

Que? It's mechanical wear and tear to the conductors, nothing to do with
wrapping the cable round the hot bit!

Exactly, but if contact with heat is not a worry, why silicone cable?

PVC is fine, if you look hard you can find some that will set like a
poker in cold weather, and maybe a 15W litesold might be too light for
PVC, but a 25W iron is o/k with the cable supplied if the
manufacturers choice is PVC.

I have used just about every available 25W iron and used them in all
temperatures with no problem. I suppose some workshops were a bit
frosty first thing, but if it was cold enough to stiffen the mains
cable to the iron, the shivering of the operator would ensure a
multitude of dry joints anyway. Better to wait for the heating to kick
in.

Weller only supplied their soldering stations with silicone cable, but
this was never a factor in choosing the equipment. Should another
maker produce the same with PVC cable, if the cost saving was
channeled through to the final price, then the Weller wouldn't have
been ordered.

AB

PVC is fine. At least until the tip touches it and you have exposed conductors. I suppose cotton covered rubber, the old iron flex, would beat rubber alone.


NT

I have never known an old clothes iron flex that lasted more than 18
months, they all seem to twist inside and break up the cotton and rubber.

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 00:56:35 +0000, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:

Silicone cable sounds good, but if you are in danger of burning the
cable,
it suggests a problem with technique, not materials.

I bought it for the flexibility.

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On 24 Mar 2018 11:05:16 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 00:56:35 +0000, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:

Silicone cable sounds good, but if you are in danger of burning the
cable,
it suggests a problem with technique, not materials.

I bought it for the flexibility.

Then I wish you luck.

My physio say's "lose weight and exercise".

Silicone cable sounds easier, I'll try to bring her round :-)


AB

In article ,
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
Silicone cable sounds good, but if you are in danger of burning the
cable, it suggests a problem with technique, not materials.

********.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 18:03:01 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
Silicone cable sounds good, but if you are in danger of burning the
cable, it suggests a problem with technique, not materials.

********.

No.

It may seem like a good idea to use silicone cable on an iron, but the
level of dexterity and skill required for an adequate joint
automatically precludes the random or careless positioning of an iron
so that it burns the flex.

You have to apply a small degree of thought, although it seems the
cooking the flex isn't the reason anyway.

Although the damage to PVC is not a consideration now, the basic
assumption and reasoning are still valid, and could indeed be applied
to a new or intended purchase.

AB

In article ,
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 18:03:01 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
Silicone cable sounds good, but if you are in danger of burning the
cable, it suggests a problem with technique, not materials.

********.

No.

It may seem like a good idea to use silicone cable on an iron, but the
level of dexterity and skill required for an adequate joint
automatically precludes the random or careless positioning of an iron
so that it burns the flex.

If you are so cack handed to try and solder the flex rather than the joint
I'd suggest you give up now...

--
*I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be without sponges*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 00:23:10 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 18:03:01 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
Silicone cable sounds good, but if you are in danger of burning the
cable, it suggests a problem with technique, not materials.

********.

No.

It may seem like a good idea to use silicone cable on an iron, but the
level of dexterity and skill required for an adequate joint
automatically precludes the random or careless positioning of an iron
so that it burns the flex.

If you are so cack handed to try and solder the flex rather than the joint
I'd suggest you give up now...

Why dont you read and try to understand the post prior to responding?

You do look an idiot selectively responding to the bits that pop up as
being relavant.

No need to guess where you stand on Trump, Football Thuggery and
Brexit.

It's patently obvious

AB

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 18:03:01 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
Silicone cable sounds good, but if you are in danger of burning the
cable, it suggests a problem with technique, not materials.

********.

No.

It may seem like a good idea to use silicone cable on an iron, but the
level of dexterity and skill required for an adequate joint
automatically precludes the random or careless positioning of an iron
so that it burns the flex.

If you are so cack handed to try and solder the flex rather than the joint
I'd suggest you give up now...

some cheaper irons have very stiff "flex".

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On Saturday, 24 March 2018 18:11:31 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:

Silicone cable sounds good, but if you are in danger of burning the
cable, it suggests a problem with technique, not materials.

********.

I don't think they're the cause of it. At least I hope not


NT

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:11:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, 24 March 2018 18:11:31 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:

Silicone cable sounds good, but if you are in danger of burning the
cable, it suggests a problem with technique, not materials.

********.

I don't think they're the cause of it. At least I hope not


It's a general term, roughly translated it equals "I dont understand
the question or the answer, I don't want to seem a silent idiot, so I
will post a naughty word that I hope everyone will think is a deep
meaningful response, full of mystery to the layman but implying a
profound level of understanding well in excess of anything my brain
cell could actually accomplish"


AB

On Saturday, 24 March 2018 20:39:59 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:11:33 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr wrote:
On Saturday, 24 March 2018 18:11:31 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:

Silicone cable sounds good, but if you are in danger of burning the
cable, it suggests a problem with technique, not materials.

********.

I don't think they're the cause of it. At least I hope not


It's a general term, roughly translated it equals "I dont understand
the question or the answer, I don't want to seem a silent idiot, so I
will post a naughty word that I hope everyone will think is a deep
meaningful response, full of mystery to the layman but implying a
profound level of understanding well in excess of anything my brain
cell could actually accomplish"


AB

Sometimes. Sometimes not.


NT

Have you contacted the manufacturer and pointed out the issues?

I remember back in my murky memory, you used to be able to get some over
slaving which was longer than the strain relief's used, and that kind of
helped, but then of course its stiffer than the old flex and might not be
as good to use.
Brian

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"Scott M" wrote in message
news

I've got a 25W Antex iron with, on the recommendations of those here, the
silicone cable. A lot nicer to use than the standard flex I've always had
before but, in the 18/24 months I've had it, I've had to to chop the plug
off 3 times and remake the end as the cable cores have broken near the
strain relief. This last time I've also had to redo the element end.

Because it's pliable the silicone is also very strechy and it takes its
toll on the wire inside (which, incidentally, seems to be steel rather
than copper.) After the first time, which I put down to letting the plug
drop before coiling it back up, I've been careful but it still gives out.
It lives in the toolbox as it has to travel rather than on a desk but
doesn't have a particularly abused life.

So, before I end up with a 6" mains lead, where can I get a different
grade of silicone something tougher if slightly less flexible? Or even the
same stuff as I have now - can't seem to turn any up on eBay?

--
Scott

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

In article ,
Scott M wrote:
I've got a 25W Antex iron with, on the recommendations of those here,
the silicone cable. A lot nicer to use than the standard flex I've
always had before but, in the 18/24 months I've had it, I've had to to
chop the plug off 3 times and remake the end as the cable cores have
broken near the strain relief. This last time I've also had to redo the
element end.

How odd. Antex has been my favourite for years. But a 50 watt low volt
type. Never had cable troubles.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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