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Really? I thought it was the greedy bar stewards who want to build stuff
that only rich people can afford to buy. Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "harry" wrote in message ... https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/...ousing-crisis/ |
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On 18-Mar-18 8:35 AM, Brian Gaff wrote:
Really? I thought it was the greedy bar stewards who want to build stuff that only rich people can afford to buy. Brian Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. Two major factors are that we are living longer and fewer people are living in one dwelling - an average of two per dwelling today, as compared to five in the 1950s. The problem is also not that there are not enough houses; there are around 5.2% more places to live than households wanting wanting to live in them. The problem is that the housing and the households are not in the same places. London is one of the worst places for a shortage of housing, partly because of a lack of suitable places for development and partly because its population is growing at around twice the national average. Immigration does play a big part there. A lot of people, particularly people in their thirties with families, are moving out of London but even more are moving in; principally highly qualified people in their 20s, both British and foreign, coming to London to work. However, that doesn't fit the profile that Harry or the person who wrote the article want to blame. -- -- Colin Bignell |
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On 18/03/2018 09:38, Nightjar wrote:
On 18-Mar-18 8:35 AM, Brian Gaff wrote: Really? I thought it was the greedy bar stewards who want to build stuff that only rich people can afford to buy. Â* Brian Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. I do believe if someone else had posted the link it would have given the subject far more credibility. Two major factors are that we are living longer and fewer people are living in one dwelling - an average of two per dwelling today, as compared to five in the 1950s. The problem is also not that there are not enough houses; there are around 5.2% more places to live than households wanting wanting to live in them. The problem is that the housing and the households are not in the same places. London is one of the worst places for a shortage of housing, partly because of a lack of suitable places for development and partly because its population is growing at around twice the national average. Immigration does play a big part there. A lot of people, particularly people in their thirties with families, are moving out of London but even more are moving in; principally highly qualified people in their 20s, both British and foreign, coming to London to work. However, that doesn't fit the profile that Harry or the person who wrote the article want to blame. Your post is the extreme antithesis of Harry's. Do you have any reason to question any of the statistics quoted in the article? (Apart from disliking the conclusions than can be drawn). |
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On 18/03/18 09:57, Fredxx wrote:
On 18/03/2018 09:38, Nightjar wrote: On 18-Mar-18 8:35 AM, Brian Gaff wrote: Really? I thought it was the greedy bar stewards who want to build stuff that only rich people can afford to buy. Â* Brian Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. I do believe if someone else had posted the link it would have given the subject far more credibility. Two major factors are that we are living longer and fewer people are living in one dwelling - an average of two per dwelling today, as compared to five in the 1950s. The problem is also not that there are not enough houses; there are around 5.2% more places to live than households wanting wanting to live in them. The problem is that the housing and the households are not in the same places. London is one of the worst places for a shortage of housing, partly because of a lack of suitable places for development and partly because its population is growing at around twice the national average. Immigration does play a big part there. A lot of people, particularly people in their thirties with families, are moving out of London but even more are moving in; principally highly qualified people in their 20s, both British and foreign, coming to London to work. However, that doesn't fit the profile that Harry or the person who wrote the article want to blame. Your post is the extreme antithesis of Harry's. Do you have any reason to question any of the statistics quoted in the article? (Apart from disliking the conclusions than can be drawn). OK: Net immigration (Office of National Statistic figures) between 1998 to 2017 was 4.5 million. This is not an insignificant figure in 20 years. UK population in the same period went from 58.5 to 66 million. In the same period an estate of flats (one of which I bought in 1995 for £45k) are now valued at £235k (identical flat just along, 2017 Land Registry data). Sure, there are other factors (irresponsible mortgage lending, higher divorce rates [related to the PP's note that occupancy factors are lower] leading to further market pressure) but it would be very hard to claim the massive increase in population and consequent demand has no link with the value of limited housing. |
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 00:33:47 -0700, harry wrote:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/...-explains-the- housing-crisis/ Bliar was so keen to curry favour with his globalist controllers he didn't consider the knock-on effects of mass immigration: housing shortage, pressures on GP surgeries, higher water demand, school class sizes, etc etc etc. ****. -- This message may be freely reproduced without limit or charge only via the Usenet protocol. Reproduction in whole or part through other protocols, whether for profit or not, is conditional upon a charge of GBP10.00 per reproduction. Publication in this manner via non-Usenet protocols constitutes acceptance of this condition. |
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:38:37 +0000, Nightjar wrote:
London is one of the worst places for a shortage of housing, partly because of a lack of suitable places for development and partly because its population is growing at around twice the national average. Immigration does play a big part there. A lot of people, particularly people in their thirties with families, are moving out of London but even more are moving in; principally highly qualified people in their 20s, both British and foreign, coming to London to work. That's funny. ISTR people like you trying to BS us that all the more qualified people would be deserting London in droves if we voted to leave the EU! -- This message may be freely reproduced without limit or charge only via the Usenet protocol. Reproduction in whole or part through other protocols, whether for profit or not, is conditional upon a charge of GBP10.00 per reproduction. Publication in this manner via non-Usenet protocols constitutes acceptance of this condition. |
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On 18/03/2018 07:33, harry wrote:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/...ousing-crisis/ I've usually got time for Shriver - but that article is so bad it looks like a stitch-up. It's wrong on just about every matter of fact. -- Cheers, Rob |
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harry wrote: https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/...ousing-crisis/ Trying to rustle up subscriptions for your favourite magazine again, harry? -- *Drugs may lead to nowhere, but at least it's the scenic route * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 18/03/2018 09:38, Nightjar wrote:
Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. Why do you just not call him a useless racist **** and be done with it? Treat yourself, there are plenty other suitable words in the dictionary if you want to use them. Do not use big words or the ****ing ****** will have trouble understanding them. -- Adam |
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On Sunday, 18 March 2018 09:38:43 UTC, Nightjar wrote:
On 18-Mar-18 8:35 AM, Brian Gaff wrote: Really? I thought it was the greedy bar stewards who want to build stuff that only rich people can afford to buy. Brian Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. Two major factors are that we are living longer and fewer people are living in one dwelling - an average of two per dwelling today, as compared to five in the 1950s. The problem is also not that there are not enough houses; there are around 5.2% more places to live than households wanting wanting to live in them. The problem is that the housing and the households are not in the same places. London is one of the worst places for a shortage of housing, partly because of a lack of suitable places for development and partly because its population is growing at around twice the national average. Immigration does play a big part there. A lot of people, particularly people in their thirties with families, are moving out of London but even more are moving in; principally highly qualified people in their 20s, both British and foreign, coming to London to work. However, that doesn't fit the profile that Harry or the person who wrote the article want to blame. -- -- Colin Bignell If there were no migration, the population would have fallen. There would be plenty of houses for everyone and they'd be cheaper. Only the Guardian comes out with crap like yours. http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...k-an-overview/ Where do you suppose all the millions of migrants are living? |
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 14:02:04 +0000, ARW
wrote: On 18/03/2018 09:38, Nightjar wrote: Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. Why do you just not call him a useless racist **** and be done with it? Treat yourself, there are plenty other suitable words in the dictionary if you want to use them. Do not use big words or the ****ing ****** will have trouble understanding them. Of course you could attempt to enlighten him using logical reasoned argument based on the actual facts. That's assuming the "useless racist ****ing ****** ****" could understand. It's damned fortunate that no migrant that I have come across has similar views, I, no doubt like many others have a tendency to sort strangers into ready made stereotyped boxes. It would only take two or three of harrys ilk to turn me off an entire country :-( AB |
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 07:54:34 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2018 09:38:43 UTC, Nightjar wrote: On 18-Mar-18 8:35 AM, Brian Gaff wrote: Really? I thought it was the greedy bar stewards who want to build stuff that only rich people can afford to buy. Brian Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. Two major factors are that we are living longer and fewer people are living in one dwelling - an average of two per dwelling today, as compared to five in the 1950s. The problem is also not that there are not enough houses; there are around 5.2% more places to live than households wanting wanting to live in them. The problem is that the housing and the households are not in the same places. London is one of the worst places for a shortage of housing, partly because of a lack of suitable places for development and partly because its population is growing at around twice the national average. Immigration does play a big part there. A lot of people, particularly people in their thirties with families, are moving out of London but even more are moving in; principally highly qualified people in their 20s, both British and foreign, coming to London to work. However, that doesn't fit the profile that Harry or the person who wrote the article want to blame. -- -- Colin Bignell If there were no migration, the population would have fallen. There would be plenty of houses for everyone and they'd be cheaper. Only the Guardian comes out with crap like yours. http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...k-an-overview/ Where do you suppose all the millions of migrants are living? Migrants are paying taxes, they are coming here and "hitting the ground running". They support the NHS and buy/ pay for housing. The true scum to b lame are babies and toddlers, they never paid a penny into the system and are the prime reason for house buying. These leeches will suck the country dry for years, and when they come of age will fill every prison in Britain. Sent them back, thats what I say. It may be a trifle difficult with teens, but with a good set of tyre levers...... AB |
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On 18/03/2018 15:26, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 07:54:34 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2018 09:38:43 UTC, Nightjar wrote: On 18-Mar-18 8:35 AM, Brian Gaff wrote: Really? I thought it was the greedy bar stewards who want to build stuff that only rich people can afford to buy. Brian Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. Two major factors are that we are living longer and fewer people are living in one dwelling - an average of two per dwelling today, as compared to five in the 1950s. The problem is also not that there are not enough houses; there are around 5.2% more places to live than households wanting wanting to live in them. The problem is that the housing and the households are not in the same places. London is one of the worst places for a shortage of housing, partly because of a lack of suitable places for development and partly because its population is growing at around twice the national average. Immigration does play a big part there. A lot of people, particularly people in their thirties with families, are moving out of London but even more are moving in; principally highly qualified people in their 20s, both British and foreign, coming to London to work. However, that doesn't fit the profile that Harry or the person who wrote the article want to blame. -- -- Colin Bignell If there were no migration, the population would have fallen. There would be plenty of houses for everyone and they'd be cheaper. Only the Guardian comes out with crap like yours. http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...k-an-overview/ Where do you suppose all the millions of migrants are living? Migrants are paying taxes, they are coming here and "hitting the ground running". They support the NHS and buy/ pay for housing. They also pay taxes so in-work benefits can be paid out. You also have it spot on, they pay for housing, hence stoking demand. |
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On 18/03/2018 15:06, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 14:02:04 +0000, ARW wrote: On 18/03/2018 09:38, Nightjar wrote: Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. Why do you just not call him a useless racist **** and be done with it? Treat yourself, there are plenty other suitable words in the dictionary if you want to use them. Do not use big words or the ****ing ****** will have trouble understanding them. Of course you could attempt to enlighten him using logical reasoned argument based on the actual facts. That's assuming the "useless racist ****ing ****** ****" could understand. It's damned fortunate that no migrant that I have come across has similar views, I, no doubt like many others have a tendency to sort strangers into ready made stereotyped boxes. It would only take two or three of harrys ilk to turn me off an entire country :-( AB Where do we get all the nurses from? -- Adam |
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On 18-Mar-18 2:54 PM, harry wrote:
.... If there were no migration, the population would have fallen. There would be plenty of houses for everyone There are plenty of places for people to live - 5.2% more dwellings than household that want to live in them. They just aren't in the same places. However, even if the population had not changed since 1951, we would still ned 2.5 times as many houses as we did then, simply to allow for the change in occupancy rate. If you also allow for the increase in average life expectancy, you would need to add another 15-18% to that. and they'd be cheaper. In 54% of the country, house prices have fallen over the past few years. Again, it is just not in those places where people want to live. -- -- Colin Bignell |
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On Sunday, 18 March 2018 16:39:03 UTC, ARW wrote:
On 18/03/2018 15:06, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 14:02:04 +0000, ARW wrote: On 18/03/2018 09:38, Nightjar wrote: Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. Why do you just not call him a useless racist **** and be done with it? Treat yourself, there are plenty other suitable words in the dictionary if you want to use them. Do not use big words or the ****ing ****** will have trouble understanding them. Of course you could attempt to enlighten him using logical reasoned argument based on the actual facts. That's assuming the "useless racist ****ing ****** ****" could understand. It's damned fortunate that no migrant that I have come across has similar views, I, no doubt like many others have a tendency to sort strangers into ready made stereotyped boxes. It would only take two or three of harrys ilk to turn me off an entire country :-( AB Where do we get all the nurses from? -- Adam Some are stolen from third world countries who have paid for their training and probably have greater need than us I presume these are the ones you mean? But socialists are a selfish lot, they can never see this. We should be training our own. |
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On Sunday, 18 March 2018 15:26:59 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 07:54:34 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2018 09:38:43 UTC, Nightjar wrote: On 18-Mar-18 8:35 AM, Brian Gaff wrote: Really? I thought it was the greedy bar stewards who want to build stuff that only rich people can afford to buy. Brian Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. Two major factors are that we are living longer and fewer people are living in one dwelling - an average of two per dwelling today, as compared to five in the 1950s. The problem is also not that there are not enough houses; there are around 5.2% more places to live than households wanting wanting to live in them. The problem is that the housing and the households are not in the same places. London is one of the worst places for a shortage of housing, partly because of a lack of suitable places for development and partly because its population is growing at around twice the national average. Immigration does play a big part there. A lot of people, particularly people in their thirties with families, are moving out of London but even more are moving in; principally highly qualified people in their 20s, both British and foreign, coming to London to work. However, that doesn't fit the profile that Harry or the person who wrote the article want to blame. -- -- Colin Bignell If there were no migration, the population would have fallen. There would be plenty of houses for everyone and they'd be cheaper. Only the Guardian comes out with crap like yours. http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...k-an-overview/ Where do you suppose all the millions of migrants are living? Migrants are paying taxes, they are coming here and "hitting the ground running". They support the NHS and buy/ pay for housing. The true scum to b lame are babies and toddlers, they never paid a penny into the system and are the prime reason for house buying. These leeches will suck the country dry for years, and when they come of age will fill every prison in Britain. Sent them back, thats what I say. It may be a trifle difficult with teens, but with a good set of tyre levers...... AB Most migrant don't pay any tax. Most money they earn is sent back "home". They are here to keep the general wages low and property prices high and rising so the likes of Tony Bliar can benefit from their property portfolio. |
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On 18-Mar-18 9:57 AM, Fredxx wrote:
On 18/03/2018 09:38, Nightjar wrote: On 18-Mar-18 8:35 AM, Brian Gaff wrote: Really? I thought it was the greedy bar stewards who want to build stuff that only rich people can afford to buy. Â* Brian Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. I do believe if someone else had posted the link it would have given the subject far more credibility. Would anybody else, without the same anti-immigration agenda, have posted it without the sort of caveats that I have raised? Two major factors are that we are living longer and fewer people are living in one dwelling - an average of two per dwelling today, as compared to five in the 1950s. The problem is also not that there are not enough houses; there are around 5.2% more places to live than households wanting wanting to live in them. The problem is that the housing and the households are not in the same places. London is one of the worst places for a shortage of housing, partly because of a lack of suitable places for development and partly because its population is growing at around twice the national average. Immigration does play a big part there. A lot of people, particularly people in their thirties with families, are moving out of London but even more are moving in; principally highly qualified people in their 20s, both British and foreign, coming to London to work. However, that doesn't fit the profile that Harry or the person who wrote the article want to blame. Your post is the extreme antithesis of Harry's. Do you have any reason to question any of the statistics quoted in the article? (Apart from disliking the conclusions than can be drawn). I have no reason to doubt the figures. I am simply pointing out that the idea of a housing shortage is a regional, rather than a national, concept, and that, while immigration cannot help but affect the demand for housing, it is not the only factor and may not be the most important. Even if the population level had remained static since the 1950s, the occupancy level would mean that we would now need two and a half times as many dwellings to house the same number. Life expectancy for men has also risen by 19% since 1951 and by 16% for women, also increasing demand for housing. -- -- Colin Bignell |
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On 18/03/2018 16:39, ARW wrote:
Where do we get all the nurses from? You need to learn the difference between immigration and unrestricted immigration. Bill |
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On 18-Mar-18 11:37 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:38:37 +0000, Nightjar wrote: London is one of the worst places for a shortage of housing, partly because of a lack of suitable places for development and partly because its population is growing at around twice the national average. Immigration does play a big part there. A lot of people, particularly people in their thirties with families, are moving out of London but even more are moving in; principally highly qualified people in their 20s, both British and foreign, coming to London to work. That's funny. ISTR people like you trying to BS us that all the more qualified people would be deserting London in droves if we voted to leave the EU! My concern would be more that their jobs would be leaving the country and they would follow. However, the figures I have been using only go up to 2015, so any post referendum effect won't show. -- -- Colin Bignell |
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 16:39:00 +0000, ARW
wrote: On 18/03/2018 15:06, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 14:02:04 +0000, ARW wrote: On 18/03/2018 09:38, Nightjar wrote: Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. Why do you just not call him a useless racist **** and be done with it? Treat yourself, there are plenty other suitable words in the dictionary if you want to use them. Do not use big words or the ****ing ****** will have trouble understanding them. Of course you could attempt to enlighten him using logical reasoned argument based on the actual facts. That's assuming the "useless racist ****ing ****** ****" could understand. It's damned fortunate that no migrant that I have come across has similar views, I, no doubt like many others have a tendency to sort strangers into ready made stereotyped boxes. It would only take two or three of harrys ilk to turn me off an entire country :-( AB Where do we get all the nurses from? You are talking to the converted :-) My mother had a number of carers before she died. About six English at various times and one Polish lady. The only name I can remember was the Polish ladies, Magda. She did the job perfectly, she was firm with my mother and was a bit like an executionor in action, did the work and asserted authourity when appropriate. She was also sympathetic and took the time to actually communicate with my mother. As for the others..... My sister had a sign over the kitchen cabinet door asking the carers to remove their gloves and wash their hands before giving my mother food and drink. One does not wish to speculate what was on the gloves. I had a sign on the living room door asking the other morons to not allow people into the house. This was after finding someone in the house after a carer had allowed access, then left leaving him in on his own. The miserable excuse for a manager could not seem to grasp that the fact that though a carer was present in the, apart from my mother, empty house, it did not grant that carer the right to admit third parties. That polish lady probably won't have the qualifications to come to the UK soon. As for the other useless piles of dross, the wages will go up, the poor pensioners lives will be worse, but at least the disgusting pathetic bigots will be happy, they can wallow in the knowledge that a bunch of useless bone idle shirkers are in "meaningful" employment. AB. AB |
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:50:08 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2018 15:26:59 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 07:54:34 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2018 09:38:43 UTC, Nightjar wrote: On 18-Mar-18 8:35 AM, Brian Gaff wrote: Really? I thought it was the greedy bar stewards who want to build stuff that only rich people can afford to buy. Brian Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. Two major factors are that we are living longer and fewer people are living in one dwelling - an average of two per dwelling today, as compared to five in the 1950s. The problem is also not that there are not enough houses; there are around 5.2% more places to live than households wanting wanting to live in them. The problem is that the housing and the households are not in the same places. London is one of the worst places for a shortage of housing, partly because of a lack of suitable places for development and partly because its population is growing at around twice the national average. Immigration does play a big part there. A lot of people, particularly people in their thirties with families, are moving out of London but even more are moving in; principally highly qualified people in their 20s, both British and foreign, coming to London to work. However, that doesn't fit the profile that Harry or the person who wrote the article want to blame. -- -- Colin Bignell If there were no migration, the population would have fallen. There would be plenty of houses for everyone and they'd be cheaper. Only the Guardian comes out with crap like yours. http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...k-an-overview/ Where do you suppose all the millions of migrants are living? Migrants are paying taxes, they are coming here and "hitting the ground running". They support the NHS and buy/ pay for housing. The true scum to b lame are babies and toddlers, they never paid a penny into the system and are the prime reason for house buying. These leeches will suck the country dry for years, and when they come of age will fill every prison in Britain. Sent them back, thats what I say. It may be a trifle difficult with teens, but with a good set of tyre levers...... AB Most migrant don't pay any tax. Most money they earn is sent back "home". They are here to keep the general wages low and property prices high and rising so the likes of Tony Bliar can benefit from their property portfolio. We all pay tax. Apart from scum like Mogg, the hero of the Brexiters who has his Cayman Islands buisiness to help his ilk to channel their wealth from the UK. To live in the UK costs money, to earn money you pay tax. If you are aware of tax fiddles by migrants or anyone else do your country a favour you nasty bigoted scumbag and report it to the appropriate authourity, and not uk.d-i-y AB |
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 17:10:34 +0000, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
Apart from scum like Mogg, *PLONK* And that's *permanent* in your case, arsehole. -- This message may be freely reproduced without limit or charge only via the Usenet protocol. Reproduction in whole or part through other protocols, whether for profit or not, is conditional upon a charge of GBP10.00 per reproduction. Publication in this manner via non-Usenet protocols constitutes acceptance of this condition. |
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 16:55:35 +0000, Nightjar wrote:
On 18-Mar-18 9:57 AM, Fredxx wrote: On 18/03/2018 09:38, Nightjar wrote: On 18-Mar-18 8:35 AM, Brian Gaff wrote: Really? I thought it was the greedy bar stewards who want to build stuff that only rich people can afford to buy. Â* Brian Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. I do believe if someone else had posted the link it would have given the subject far more credibility. Would anybody else, without the same anti-immigration agenda, have posted it without the sort of caveats that I have raised? Two major factors are that we are living longer and fewer people are living in one dwelling - an average of two per dwelling today, as compared to five in the 1950s. The problem is also not that there are not enough houses; there are around 5.2% more places to live than households wanting wanting to live in them. The problem is that the housing and the households are not in the same places. London is one of the worst places for a shortage of housing, partly because of a lack of suitable places for development and partly because its population is growing at around twice the national average. Immigration does play a big part there. A lot of people, particularly people in their thirties with families, are moving out of London but even more are moving in; principally highly qualified people in their 20s, both British and foreign, coming to London to work. However, that doesn't fit the profile that Harry or the person who wrote the article want to blame. Your post is the extreme antithesis of Harry's. Do you have any reason to question any of the statistics quoted in the article? (Apart from disliking the conclusions than can be drawn). I have no reason to doubt the figures. I am simply pointing out that the idea of a housing shortage is a regional, rather than a national, concept, and that, while immigration cannot help but affect the demand for housing, it is not the only factor and may not be the most important. Even if the population level had remained static since the 1950s, the occupancy level would mean that we would now need two and a half times as many dwellings to house the same number. Life expectancy for men has also risen by 19% since 1951 and by 16% for women, also increasing demand for housing. It's not just housing the migrants (EU or otherwise) are putting pressure on. It's just about every form of infrastructure you can think of. I don't blame them, not for a second, they're only trying to better their lives; but this has been very badly managed by those in government who surely must have seen it coming - yet did NOTHING. -- This message may be freely reproduced without limit or charge only via the Usenet protocol. Reproduction in whole or part through other protocols, whether for profit or not, is conditional upon a charge of GBP10.00 per reproduction. Publication in this manner via non-Usenet protocols constitutes acceptance of this condition. |
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 17:00:47 +0000, Nightjar wrote:
My concern would be more that their jobs would be leaving the country and they would follow. However, the figures I have been using only go up to 2015, so any post referendum effect won't show. There's still hope, then? LOL! ;- -- This message may be freely reproduced without limit or charge only via the Usenet protocol. Reproduction in whole or part through other protocols, whether for profit or not, is conditional upon a charge of GBP10.00 per reproduction. Publication in this manner via non-Usenet protocols constitutes acceptance of this condition. |
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On 18/03/2018 16:56, Bill Wright wrote:
On 18/03/2018 16:39, ARW wrote: Where do we get all the nurses from? You need to learn the difference between immigration and unrestricted immigration. Cherry pick the best and gas the rest? -- Adam |
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On 18/03/2018 11:37, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:38:37 +0000, Nightjar wrote: London is one of the worst places for a shortage of housing, partly because of a lack of suitable places for development and partly because its population is growing at around twice the national average. Immigration does play a big part there. A lot of people, particularly people in their thirties with families, are moving out of London but even more are moving in; principally highly qualified people in their 20s, both British and foreign, coming to London to work. That's funny. ISTR people like you trying to BS us that all the more qualified people would be deserting London in droves if we voted to leave the EU! The claim is if we leave the EU not if we vote to leave. We have yet to leave so you can't claim that it wont happen. |
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On 18/03/2018 16:56, Bill Wright wrote:
On 18/03/2018 16:39, ARW wrote: Where do we get all the nurses from? You need to learn the difference between immigration and unrestricted immigration. Bill Its just as well that we do not have unrestricted immigration yet. We may have after brexit but that's up to the government. |
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On 18/03/2018 17:10, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:50:08 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2018 15:26:59 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 07:54:34 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2018 09:38:43 UTC, Nightjar wrote: On 18-Mar-18 8:35 AM, Brian Gaff wrote: Really? I thought it was the greedy bar stewards who want to build stuff that only rich people can afford to buy. Brian Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. Two major factors are that we are living longer and fewer people are living in one dwelling - an average of two per dwelling today, as compared to five in the 1950s. The problem is also not that there are not enough houses; there are around 5.2% more places to live than households wanting wanting to live in them. The problem is that the housing and the households are not in the same places. London is one of the worst places for a shortage of housing, partly because of a lack of suitable places for development and partly because its population is growing at around twice the national average. Immigration does play a big part there. A lot of people, particularly people in their thirties with families, are moving out of London but even more are moving in; principally highly qualified people in their 20s, both British and foreign, coming to London to work. However, that doesn't fit the profile that Harry or the person who wrote the article want to blame. -- -- Colin Bignell If there were no migration, the population would have fallen. There would be plenty of houses for everyone and they'd be cheaper. Only the Guardian comes out with crap like yours. http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...k-an-overview/ Where do you suppose all the millions of migrants are living? Migrants are paying taxes, they are coming here and "hitting the ground running". They support the NHS and buy/ pay for housing. The true scum to b lame are babies and toddlers, they never paid a penny into the system and are the prime reason for house buying. These leeches will suck the country dry for years, and when they come of age will fill every prison in Britain. Sent them back, thats what I say. It may be a trifle difficult with teens, but with a good set of tyre levers...... AB Most migrant don't pay any tax. Most money they earn is sent back "home". They are here to keep the general wages low and property prices high and rising so the likes of Tony Bliar can benefit from their property portfolio. We all pay tax. Apart from scum like Mogg, the hero of the Brexiters Name calling seems to be a Remoaner trait. You've already lost what ever argument you think you might have had. |
OT. Migration and housing.
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 20:02:45 +0000, Fredxx wrote:
On 18/03/2018 17:10, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:50:08 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2018 15:26:59 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 07:54:34 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2018 09:38:43 UTC, Nightjar wrote: On 18-Mar-18 8:35 AM, Brian Gaff wrote: Really? I thought it was the greedy bar stewards who want to build stuff that only rich people can afford to buy. Brian Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. Two major factors are that we are living longer and fewer people are living in one dwelling - an average of two per dwelling today, as compared to five in the 1950s. The problem is also not that there are not enough houses; there are around 5.2% more places to live than households wanting wanting to live in them. The problem is that the housing and the households are not in the same places. London is one of the worst places for a shortage of housing, partly because of a lack of suitable places for development and partly because its population is growing at around twice the national average. Immigration does play a big part there. A lot of people, particularly people in their thirties with families, are moving out of London but even more are moving in; principally highly qualified people in their 20s, both British and foreign, coming to London to work. However, that doesn't fit the profile that Harry or the person who wrote the article want to blame. -- -- Colin Bignell If there were no migration, the population would have fallen. There would be plenty of houses for everyone and they'd be cheaper. Only the Guardian comes out with crap like yours. http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...k-an-overview/ Where do you suppose all the millions of migrants are living? Migrants are paying taxes, they are coming here and "hitting the ground running". They support the NHS and buy/ pay for housing. The true scum to b lame are babies and toddlers, they never paid a penny into the system and are the prime reason for house buying. These leeches will suck the country dry for years, and when they come of age will fill every prison in Britain. Sent them back, thats what I say. It may be a trifle difficult with teens, but with a good set of tyre levers...... AB Most migrant don't pay any tax. Most money they earn is sent back "home". They are here to keep the general wages low and property prices high and rising so the likes of Tony Bliar can benefit from their property portfolio. We all pay tax. Apart from scum like Mogg, the hero of the Brexiters Name calling seems to be a Remoaner trait. You've already lost what ever argument you think you might have had. https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/bre...sh-to-fund-sec He is an expense fiddling liar and cheat who is happy to channel the UK's money into his own business. By anyones standards this person is scum of the lowest order. Sadly voters deserve scum like that, simply because they are hoodwinked by the idea that instead of outside business interests being a conflict of interest and a sign that the scumbag is just a greedy individual unhappy with his MP's salary and pension package, they are some kind of ongoing research vehicle only raking it in out of the goodness of their hearts. People that fiddle expenses are thieving lying scum. They should be sacked and if it's public money, imprisoned. Child molesters, rapists and other filth are pilloried, why should Mogg not escape his due's? AB |
OT. Migration and housing.
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 20:02:45 +0000, Fredxx wrote:
On 18/03/2018 17:10, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:50:08 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2018 15:26:59 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 07:54:34 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2018 09:38:43 UTC, Nightjar wrote: On 18-Mar-18 8:35 AM, Brian Gaff wrote: Really? I thought it was the greedy bar stewards who want to build stuff that only rich people can afford to buy. Brian Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. Two major factors are that we are living longer and fewer people are living in one dwelling - an average of two per dwelling today, as compared to five in the 1950s. The problem is also not that there are not enough houses; there are around 5.2% more places to live than households wanting wanting to live in them. The problem is that the housing and the households are not in the same places. London is one of the worst places for a shortage of housing, partly because of a lack of suitable places for development and partly because its population is growing at around twice the national average. Immigration does play a big part there. A lot of people, particularly people in their thirties with families, are moving out of London but even more are moving in; principally highly qualified people in their 20s, both British and foreign, coming to London to work. However, that doesn't fit the profile that Harry or the person who wrote the article want to blame. -- -- Colin Bignell If there were no migration, the population would have fallen. There would be plenty of houses for everyone and they'd be cheaper. Only the Guardian comes out with crap like yours. http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...k-an-overview/ Where do you suppose all the millions of migrants are living? Migrants are paying taxes, they are coming here and "hitting the ground running". They support the NHS and buy/ pay for housing. The true scum to b lame are babies and toddlers, they never paid a penny into the system and are the prime reason for house buying. These leeches will suck the country dry for years, and when they come of age will fill every prison in Britain. Sent them back, thats what I say. It may be a trifle difficult with teens, but with a good set of tyre levers...... AB Most migrant don't pay any tax. Most money they earn is sent back "home". They are here to keep the general wages low and property prices high and rising so the likes of Tony Bliar can benefit from their property portfolio. We all pay tax. Apart from scum like Mogg, the hero of the Brexiters Name calling seems to be a Remoaner trait. I am not a remainer. I did not vote for or against Brexit. If for some reason there is another referendum, I will not vote at that either. I am now an EU citizen, thanks to the stupidity of the British. As an EU citizen I will do everything within my power to ensure that Britain stays out of the EU and in particular out of Ireland. May can stuff her passport where the sun dosen't shine, I wont be needing it. AB You've already lost what ever argument you think you might have had. |
OT. Migration and housing.
On 18/03/2018 20:29, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 20:02:45 +0000, Fredxx wrote: On 18/03/2018 17:10, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:50:08 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2018 15:26:59 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 07:54:34 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2018 09:38:43 UTC, Nightjar wrote: On 18-Mar-18 8:35 AM, Brian Gaff wrote: Really? I thought it was the greedy bar stewards who want to build stuff that only rich people can afford to buy. Brian Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. Two major factors are that we are living longer and fewer people are living in one dwelling - an average of two per dwelling today, as compared to five in the 1950s. The problem is also not that there are not enough houses; there are around 5.2% more places to live than households wanting wanting to live in them. The problem is that the housing and the households are not in the same places. London is one of the worst places for a shortage of housing, partly because of a lack of suitable places for development and partly because its population is growing at around twice the national average. Immigration does play a big part there. A lot of people, particularly people in their thirties with families, are moving out of London but even more are moving in; principally highly qualified people in their 20s, both British and foreign, coming to London to work. However, that doesn't fit the profile that Harry or the person who wrote the article want to blame. -- -- Colin Bignell If there were no migration, the population would have fallen. There would be plenty of houses for everyone and they'd be cheaper. Only the Guardian comes out with crap like yours. http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...k-an-overview/ Where do you suppose all the millions of migrants are living? Migrants are paying taxes, they are coming here and "hitting the ground running". They support the NHS and buy/ pay for housing. The true scum to b lame are babies and toddlers, they never paid a penny into the system and are the prime reason for house buying. These leeches will suck the country dry for years, and when they come of age will fill every prison in Britain. Sent them back, thats what I say. It may be a trifle difficult with teens, but with a good set of tyre levers...... AB Most migrant don't pay any tax. Most money they earn is sent back "home". They are here to keep the general wages low and property prices high and rising so the likes of Tony Bliar can benefit from their property portfolio. We all pay tax. Apart from scum like Mogg, the hero of the Brexiters Name calling seems to be a Remoaner trait. I am not a remainer. I did not vote for or against Brexit. Then stop calling those who did, or express a view, names. |
OT. Migration and housing.
On 18/03/2018 20:23, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 20:02:45 +0000, Fredxx wrote: On 18/03/2018 17:10, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:50:08 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2018 15:26:59 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 07:54:34 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2018 09:38:43 UTC, Nightjar wrote: On 18-Mar-18 8:35 AM, Brian Gaff wrote: Really? I thought it was the greedy bar stewards who want to build stuff that only rich people can afford to buy. Brian Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. Two major factors are that we are living longer and fewer people are living in one dwelling - an average of two per dwelling today, as compared to five in the 1950s. The problem is also not that there are not enough houses; there are around 5.2% more places to live than households wanting wanting to live in them. The problem is that the housing and the households are not in the same places. London is one of the worst places for a shortage of housing, partly because of a lack of suitable places for development and partly because its population is growing at around twice the national average. Immigration does play a big part there. A lot of people, particularly people in their thirties with families, are moving out of London but even more are moving in; principally highly qualified people in their 20s, both British and foreign, coming to London to work. However, that doesn't fit the profile that Harry or the person who wrote the article want to blame. -- -- Colin Bignell If there were no migration, the population would have fallen. There would be plenty of houses for everyone and they'd be cheaper. Only the Guardian comes out with crap like yours. http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...k-an-overview/ Where do you suppose all the millions of migrants are living? Migrants are paying taxes, they are coming here and "hitting the ground running". They support the NHS and buy/ pay for housing. The true scum to b lame are babies and toddlers, they never paid a penny into the system and are the prime reason for house buying. These leeches will suck the country dry for years, and when they come of age will fill every prison in Britain. Sent them back, thats what I say. It may be a trifle difficult with teens, but with a good set of tyre levers...... AB Most migrant don't pay any tax. Most money they earn is sent back "home". They are here to keep the general wages low and property prices high and rising so the likes of Tony Bliar can benefit from their property portfolio. We all pay tax. Apart from scum like Mogg, the hero of the Brexiters Name calling seems to be a Remoaner trait. You've already lost what ever argument you think you might have had. https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/bre...sh-to-fund-sec He is an expense fiddling liar and cheat who is happy to channel the UK's money into his own business. If you believe rules have been broken then shouldn't you do something about it? In true tradition of a Remoaner you resort to abuse. The clearest possible admission there is no argument. |
OT. Migration and housing.
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 20:02:45 +0000, Fredxx wrote:
Apart from scum like Mogg, the hero of the Brexiters Name calling seems to be a Remoaner trait. And use of the term 'Remoaner' is not name calling? Pot. Kettle. Black. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
OT. Migration and housing.
On 18/03/2018 21:23, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 20:02:45 +0000, Fredxx wrote: Apart from scum like Mogg, the hero of the Brexiters Name calling seems to be a Remoaner trait. And use of the term 'Remoaner' is not name calling? Pot. Kettle. Black. Not at all, it's a proposed new word in the Oxford English dictionary referring to a Remainer that resorts to abuse, like calling Brexiters child molesters. Not name calling at all, just an apt description. |
OT. Migration and housing.
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 21:13:04 +0000, Fredxx wrote:
On 18/03/2018 20:23, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 20:02:45 +0000, Fredxx wrote: On 18/03/2018 17:10, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:50:08 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2018 15:26:59 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 07:54:34 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2018 09:38:43 UTC, Nightjar wrote: On 18-Mar-18 8:35 AM, Brian Gaff wrote: Really? I thought it was the greedy bar stewards who want to build stuff that only rich people can afford to buy. Brian Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. Two major factors are that we are living longer and fewer people are living in one dwelling - an average of two per dwelling today, as compared to five in the 1950s. The problem is also not that there are not enough houses; there are around 5.2% more places to live than households wanting wanting to live in them. The problem is that the housing and the households are not in the same places. London is one of the worst places for a shortage of housing, partly because of a lack of suitable places for development and partly because its population is growing at around twice the national average. Immigration does play a big part there. A lot of people, particularly people in their thirties with families, are moving out of London but even more are moving in; principally highly qualified people in their 20s, both British and foreign, coming to London to work. However, that doesn't fit the profile that Harry or the person who wrote the article want to blame. -- -- Colin Bignell If there were no migration, the population would have fallen. There would be plenty of houses for everyone and they'd be cheaper. Only the Guardian comes out with crap like yours. http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...k-an-overview/ Where do you suppose all the millions of migrants are living? Migrants are paying taxes, they are coming here and "hitting the ground running". They support the NHS and buy/ pay for housing. The true scum to b lame are babies and toddlers, they never paid a penny into the system and are the prime reason for house buying. These leeches will suck the country dry for years, and when they come of age will fill every prison in Britain. Sent them back, thats what I say. It may be a trifle difficult with teens, but with a good set of tyre levers...... AB Most migrant don't pay any tax. Most money they earn is sent back "home". They are here to keep the general wages low and property prices high and rising so the likes of Tony Bliar can benefit from their property portfolio. We all pay tax. Apart from scum like Mogg, the hero of the Brexiters Name calling seems to be a Remoaner trait. You've already lost what ever argument you think you might have had. https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/bre...sh-to-fund-sec He is an expense fiddling liar and cheat who is happy to channel the UK's money into his own business. If you believe rules have been broken then shouldn't you do something about it? Currently I am a little tied up with one or two other items that I want interaction from the UK government on. I am also practical, to try to make a criminal complaint would be difficult and I have every confidence that it would never even get his attention. Trying to do anything through the government isn't worthwhile either, any party with Johnson in the cabinet has lost the plot anyway, and I would be expecting members of the same cabal to act against him. In true tradition of a Remoaner you resort to abuse. The clearest possible admission there is no argument. I never put it forward as an argument. It's fact. AB |
OT. Migration and housing.
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 21:09:07 +0000, Fredxx wrote:
On 18/03/2018 20:29, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 20:02:45 +0000, Fredxx wrote: On 18/03/2018 17:10, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:50:08 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2018 15:26:59 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 07:54:34 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Sunday, 18 March 2018 09:38:43 UTC, Nightjar wrote: On 18-Mar-18 8:35 AM, Brian Gaff wrote: Really? I thought it was the greedy bar stewards who want to build stuff that only rich people can afford to buy. Brian Harry only wants to see a single cause that he can blame on people he doesn't like. Two major factors are that we are living longer and fewer people are living in one dwelling - an average of two per dwelling today, as compared to five in the 1950s. The problem is also not that there are not enough houses; there are around 5.2% more places to live than households wanting wanting to live in them. The problem is that the housing and the households are not in the same places. London is one of the worst places for a shortage of housing, partly because of a lack of suitable places for development and partly because its population is growing at around twice the national average. Immigration does play a big part there. A lot of people, particularly people in their thirties with families, are moving out of London but even more are moving in; principally highly qualified people in their 20s, both British and foreign, coming to London to work. However, that doesn't fit the profile that Harry or the person who wrote the article want to blame. -- -- Colin Bignell If there were no migration, the population would have fallen. There would be plenty of houses for everyone and they'd be cheaper. Only the Guardian comes out with crap like yours. http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...k-an-overview/ Where do you suppose all the millions of migrants are living? Migrants are paying taxes, they are coming here and "hitting the ground running". They support the NHS and buy/ pay for housing. The true scum to b lame are babies and toddlers, they never paid a penny into the system and are the prime reason for house buying. These leeches will suck the country dry for years, and when they come of age will fill every prison in Britain. Sent them back, thats what I say. It may be a trifle difficult with teens, but with a good set of tyre levers...... AB Most migrant don't pay any tax. Most money they earn is sent back "home". They are here to keep the general wages low and property prices high and rising so the likes of Tony Bliar can benefit from their property portfolio. We all pay tax. Apart from scum like Mogg, the hero of the Brexiters Name calling seems to be a Remoaner trait. I am not a remainer. I did not vote for or against Brexit. Then stop calling those who did, or express a view, names. Why? They are not names anyway, they are adjectives. If the government can have lords or honourable members, then why can it not have thieving scum? Thieving isn't a name either, it's a noun, a title, it sums up what that person does. Mogg fiddles expenses, therefore he is a thieving lying scumbag. No name calling, nothing nasty, just a simple descriptive statement of job function Now I was guilty of attributing insults to harry, but they were not my words and were simply pasted. I do not usually stoop to language of that nature, but I did think that the wording was very appropriate and summed the nasty dirty little bigot up nicely. AB |
OT. Migration and housing.
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 21:26:59 +0000, Fredxx wrote:
On 18/03/2018 21:23, Bob Eager wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 20:02:45 +0000, Fredxx wrote: Apart from scum like Mogg, the hero of the Brexiters Name calling seems to be a Remoaner trait. And use of the term 'Remoaner' is not name calling? Pot. Kettle. Black. Not at all, it's a proposed new word in the Oxford English dictionary referring to a Remainer that resorts to abuse, like calling Brexiters child molesters. If that is a reference to my post, then have the decency to withdraw it please. Try to pay attention eh? There will be questions to see how well you are following incidentally. AB Not name calling at all, just an apt description. |
OT. Migration and housing.
On 18/03/2018 19:28, ARW wrote:
On 18/03/2018 16:56, Bill Wright wrote: On 18/03/2018 16:39, ARW wrote: Where do we get all the nurses from? You need to learn the difference between immigration and unrestricted immigration. Cherry pick the best and gas the rest? No. Just don't let the trash in. No need to gas them. Bill |
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