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Lots round here have been without water for 3 days now. Thames Water (in
part) blaming it on increased demand after the thaw. Interesting theory - do people water their garden just after the snow goes? Water pressure here has been poor for ever. To keep leaks down from the ancient infrastructure. Perhaps it is time Thames Water was privatized so they can raise money for investment. Or have I got that wrong? ;-) -- *I am a nobody, and nobody is perfect; therefore I am perfect* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... Lots round here have been without water for 3 days now. Thames Water (in part) blaming it on increased demand after the thaw. Interesting theory - do people water their garden just after the snow goes? Water pressure here has been poor for ever. To keep leaks down from the ancient infrastructure. Perhaps it is time Thames Water was privatized so they can raise money for investment. Or have I got that wrong? ;-) **** happens |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Lots round here have been without water for 3 days now. Thames Water (in part) blaming it on increased demand after the thaw. Interesting theory - do people water their garden just after the snow goes? There are other reasons than watering the garden for using more water. The waste pipe to our bath froze up. (possibly caused by a dripping tap) So no baths for 3 days. Other people wouldn't have had baths because their boilers failed and they ddin't want cold baths. Water pressure here has been poor for ever. To keep leaks down from the ancient infrastructure. Perhaps it is time Thames Water was privatized so they can raise money for investment. Or have I got that wrong? ;-) Yes - the cold was sufficient to freeze some underground mains - which burst - certainly in Sussex and Kent. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
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On 05/03/2018 11:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Lots round here have been without water for 3 days now. Thames Water (in part) blaming it on increased demand after the thaw. Interesting theory - do people water their garden just after the snow goes? You seem to have missed the explanation (that many pipes burst as a result of last week's weather) that I have seen or heard on TV, radio, online and in print. One major problem in your vicinity was due to be fixed this afternoon. On top of that there is often a surge as people wash the salt/grid off their drives, cars etc. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On 05-Mar-18 4:18 PM, Jethro_uk wrote:
... Sicily was the first time I saw a gas powered fridge ... They have been with us as a commercial product for the best part of a century, although the technology dates from 1858. Very popular in caravans and boats. -- -- Colin Bignell |
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Nightjar wrote:
Jethro_uk wrote: a gas powered fridge ... They have been with us as a commercial product for the best part of a century We had one in the 70's, Dad worked for the gas-board and got discount. |
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2018 11:11:01 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Lots round here have been without water for 3 days now. Meh, there are people round here still snowed in... 6 days, some without water and/or fuel for space heating and/or food(*). Mostly along or off the back road to Nenthead, The snow blower has had a go at that today. Hartside is still closed, two snow blowers and ploughs working on that for at least 3 full days now, they might get it open tommorow. I don't think they have done more than look at the B6277 past the Ski Tow. (*) The less well prepared, but even the well prepared are now starting to phone out and say "Can some one come and dig us out please". Interesting theory - do people water their garden just after the snow goes? Ground heave due to the freezing that then fractures the mains. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 05/03/2018 18:19, Nightjar wrote:
They have been with us as a commercial product for the best part of a century, although the technology dates from 1858. Very popular in caravans and boats. 1858? The one I know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_refrigerator is 1926. By a couple of guys called Einstein ans Szilard you may have heard of. Andy |
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Robin wrote: On 05/03/2018 11:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Lots round here have been without water for 3 days now. Thames Water (in part) blaming it on increased demand after the thaw. Interesting theory - do people water their garden just after the snow goes? You seem to have missed the explanation (that many pipes burst as a result of last week's weather) that I have seen or heard on TV, radio, online and in print. Given how old most of the pipework is, are you saying this is the hardest winter since it was installed? One major problem in your vicinity was due to be fixed this afternoon. You seem to have more information than we have. It did come on at a trickle this afternoon, but is off again this evening. On top of that there is often a surge as people wash the salt/grid off their drives, cars etc. You must work for their PR department. -- *Real men don't waste their hormones growing hair Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 05/03/2018 23:49, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Robin wrote: On 05/03/2018 11:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Lots round here have been without water for 3 days now. Thames Water (in part) blaming it on increased demand after the thaw. Interesting theory - do people water their garden just after the snow goes? You seem to have missed the explanation (that many pipes burst as a result of last week's weather) that I have seen or heard on TV, radio, online and in print. Given how old most of the pipework is, are you saying this is the hardest winter since it was installed? No. Nor is it the first winter that has led to burst pipes. One major problem in your vicinity was due to be fixed this afternoon. You seem to have more information than we have. It did come on at a trickle this afternoon, but is off again this evening. I am sorry if my source of information hasn't reached you yet. It's The Evening Standard. On top of that there is often a surge as people wash the salt/grid off their drives, cars etc. You must work for their PR department. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On 05-Mar-18 11:02 PM, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 05/03/2018 18:19, Nightjar wrote: They have been with us as a commercial product for the best part of a century, although the technology dates from 1858. Very popular in caravans and boats. 1858? As an ice making machine, rather than as a refrigerator: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Carr%C3%A9 The one I know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_refrigerator is 1926. By a couple of guys called Einstein ans Szilard you may have heard of. AB Arctic produced a commercial refrigerator, based on an improvement to the original cycle, in 1923. Electrolux AB bought AB Arctic in 1925 and, as your article mentions, also later bought out the main Einstein patents. -- -- Colin Bignell |
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On 06/03/2018 09:13, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Brian Gaff wrote: No its corporate amnesia. In the old days the experienced people in charge, knowing the lack of maintenance over the years would get in extra staff when a big freeze was followed by a big thaw, and there would be people on the ground to fix it asap. It has been so long since a big thaw that most have moved on. The corporate memory has been lost in early retirement/redundancies. However since experience costs money, we are now in the as and when needed type of employment and the knowledgeable people all went some years back. Thus you get a sudden demand due to lots of leaks springing up. If of course the pipes had been regularly checked andÂ* made good a lot of this could be avoided. You mean dig the road up just to inspect the water pipe? The old technique was a sort of pole which the old guy who checked such things put his ear to and behaved pretty much like a stethoscope. You can hear leaks and free running water underground with such a device. These days I expect they do it with headphones and an acoustic sensor if they bother to do it at all. Noisiest spot usually above the leak (and certainly above the place where water is falling the furthest). Hell of a lot of potholes on the roads too now that the snow has cleared. All the bodge it and scarper "repairs" from last summer have lifted from ice expansion and been pulverised by passing snowploughs. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 06/03/2018 11:15, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Tue, 06 Mar 2018 11:09:12 +0000, Martin Brown wrote: These days I expect they do it with headphones and an acoustic sensor if they bother to do it at all. Recent reports suggest dowsing .... Ground penetrating radar is the bees knees for finding hidden pipes and disturbed earth trenches. Pretty much the only way for the older yellow plastic gas pipes before they added a metallic strip. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 06/03/2018 11:09, Martin Brown wrote:
The old technique was a sort of pole which the old guy who checked such things put his ear to and behaved pretty much like a stethoscope. You can hear leaks and free running water underground with such a device. We had a water company employee going around with a stick listening to the stop taps a couple of years ago. It was 3 in the morning. |
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dennis@home wrote:
On 06/03/2018 11:09, Martin Brown wrote: The old technique was a sort of pole which the old guy who checked such things put his ear to and behaved pretty much like a stethoscope. You can hear leaks and free running water underground with such a device. We had a water company employee going around with a stick listening to the stop taps a couple of years ago. It was 3 in the morning. Its still very much current practice. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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On 05/03/2018 18:40, Andy Burns wrote:
Nightjar wrote: Jethro_uk wrote: a gas powered fridge ... They have been with us as a commercial product for the best part of a century We had one in the 70's, Dad worked for the gas-board and got discount. I had one until about 2006. Made by electrolux and it had an electric heater, but they also sold kits that allowed it to run on gas or paraffin. Any source of heat really. It was completely silent which was their main selling feature in this country. My house was built in 1976 with a 1/2 inch gas point in the kitchen for just such a fridge but you could also get gas tumble driers in those days too. We had one in the path labs at Barts in the 70's, but it leaked and filled the whole path block with ammonia. We had to get LFB out to ventilate the building and chuck the offending fridge out. Still common in Oz I believe for people in the outback. These days I expect solar panels with batteries and an inverter would be more effective. |
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On 05/03/2018 17:28, charles wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Lots round here have been without water for 3 days now. Thames Water (in part) blaming it on increased demand after the thaw. Interesting theory - do people water their garden just after the snow goes? There are other reasons than watering the garden for using more water. The waste pipe to our bath froze up. (possibly caused by a dripping tap) So no baths for 3 days. Other people wouldn't have had baths because their boilers failed and they ddin't want cold baths. Water pressure here has been poor for ever. To keep leaks down from the ancient infrastructure. Perhaps it is time Thames Water was privatized so they can raise money for investment. Or have I got that wrong? ;-) Yes - the cold was sufficient to freeze some underground mains - which burst - certainly in Sussex and Kent. I think the problem is frost heave which snaps old-fashioned pipes, of which there are many, many miles. Add on 44 tonne lorries and 32 million cars. |
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On 06-Mar-18 6:13 PM, Andrew wrote:
On 05/03/2018 18:40, Andy Burns wrote: Nightjar wrote: Jethro_uk wrote: a gas powered fridge ... They have been with us as a commercial product for the best part of a century We had one in the 70's, Dad worked for the gas-board and got discount. I had one until about 2006. Made by electrolux and it had an electric heater, but they also sold kits that allowed it to run on gas or paraffin. Any source of heat really. It was completely silent which was their main selling feature in this country. My house was built in 1976 with a 1/2 inch gas point in the kitchen for just such a fridge but you could also get gas tumble driers in those days too. We had one in the path labs at Barts in the 70's, but it leaked and filled the whole path block with ammonia. We had to get LFB out to ventilate the building and chuck the offending fridge out. Still common in Oz I believe for people in the outback. These days I expect solar panels with batteries and an inverter would be more effective. You can use solar panels as the heat source for Electrolux cycle fridges. -- -- Colin Bignell |
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Andrew wrote:
but you could also get gas tumble driers in those days too. You still can but given that you can buy a heat pump based machine for very similar money with the same low drying costs these days I think their day is past. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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Andrew wrote:
On 05/03/2018 17:28, charles wrote: In article , Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Lots round here have been without water for 3 days now. Thames Water (in part) blaming it on increased demand after the thaw. Interesting theory - do people water their garden just after the snow goes? There are other reasons than watering the garden for using more water. The waste pipe to our bath froze up. (possibly caused by a dripping tap) So no baths for 3 days. Other people wouldn't have had baths because their boilers failed and they ddin't want cold baths. Water pressure here has been poor for ever. To keep leaks down from the ancient infrastructure. Perhaps it is time Thames Water was privatized so they can raise money for investment. Or have I got that wrong? ;-) Yes - the cold was sufficient to freeze some underground mains - which burst - certainly in Sussex and Kent. I think the problem is frost heave which snaps old-fashioned pipes, of which there are many, many miles. Add on 44 tonne lorries and 32 million cars. I find the concept of the soil freezing to sufficient depth to freeze mains implausible or €śfrost heave€ť affecting buried mains. Im not denying the association between the cold weather and the leaks, just that I think the explanations sound unlikely. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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On 06/03/2018 19:06, Tim+ wrote:
Andrew wrote: On 05/03/2018 17:28, charles wrote: In article , Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Lots round here have been without water for 3 days now. Thames Water (in part) blaming it on increased demand after the thaw. Interesting theory - do people water their garden just after the snow goes? There are other reasons than watering the garden for using more water. The waste pipe to our bath froze up. (possibly caused by a dripping tap) So no baths for 3 days. Other people wouldn't have had baths because their boilers failed and they ddin't want cold baths. Water pressure here has been poor for ever. To keep leaks down from the ancient infrastructure. Perhaps it is time Thames Water was privatized so they can raise money for investment. Or have I got that wrong? ;-) Yes - the cold was sufficient to freeze some underground mains - which burst - certainly in Sussex and Kent. I think the problem is frost heave which snaps old-fashioned pipes, of which there are many, many miles. Add on 44 tonne lorries and 32 million cars. You can probably ignore the cars. Many, many years ago, a TV programme (it may have been Tomorrow's World) did a story about axle loading and badly loaded trucks. This was back in the days of a 32 ton maximum. They tested and concluded that one badly loaded truck caused as much damage/wear and tear as 125,000 cars! SteveW |
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On 06/03/2018 21:35, Steve Walker wrote:
You can probably ignore the cars. Many, many years ago, a TV programme (it may have been Tomorrow's World) did a story about axle loading and badly loaded trucks. This was back in the days of a 32 ton maximum. They tested and concluded that one badly loaded truck caused as much damage/wear and tear as 125,000 cars! Road damage is proportional to the 4th power of the weight. This formula is widely used. Andy |
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