While out at a social event last night, a friend related part of his
days events to me.

He lives in an old farm house and had, until yesterday, gas fires in
several bedrooms fitted to the fireplaces. I assume they've been in
place some years, I'm sure the house has been in the family for a very
long time.

Apparently, during a routine check, he was advised the fires were unsafe
as gas fires were not permitted upstairs in bedrooms. He had them
disconnected and removed.

I've never heard of this regulation.

No flu tests were done etc- so the matter wasn't related to CO etc, at
least in terms of the fires having malfunctioned/flus being blocked.

Anyone familiar with this situation?


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On 23/02/2018 09:30, Brian Reay wrote:

While out at a social event last night, a friend related part of his
days events to me.

He lives in an old farm house and had, until yesterday, gas fires in
several bedrooms fitted to the fireplaces. I assume they've been in
place some years, I'm sure the house has been in the family for a very
long time.

Apparently, during a routine check, he was advised the fires were unsafe
as gas fires were not permitted upstairs in bedrooms. He had them
disconnected and removed.

I've never heard of this regulation.

Probably because it does not exist...

BS 5871-1:2005 would be the place to look, and that does not have much
to say on bedrooms beyond how to calculate the typical heating load.

You can't have an open flued boiler in a bedroom, and there are
advisories about fittings things like fan assisted heater in bedrooms
due to the noise implications.

However a properly fitted and flued fire should be fine.

No flu tests were done etc- so the matter wasn't related to CO etc, at
least in terms of the fires having malfunctioned/flus being blocked.

Anyone familiar with this situation?

Its possible it was a very old fire installation without a proper sealed
closure plate...

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On 23/02/2018 09:30, Brian Reay wrote:
While out at a social event last night, a friend related part of his
days events to me.

He lives in an old farm house and had, until yesterday, gas fires in
several bedrooms fitted to the fireplaces. I assume they've been in
place some years, I'm sure the house has been in the family for a very
long time.

Apparently, during a routine check, he was advised the fires were unsafe
as gas fires were not permitted upstairs in bedrooms.Â* He had them
disconnected and removed.

I've never heard of this regulation.

No flu tests were done etc- so the matter wasn't related to CO etc, at
least in terms of the fires having malfunctioned/flus being blocked.

Anyone familiar with this situation?


It may be that something was mangled in transmission. Gas fires are
fine in bedrooms if they meet the Gas Safety (Installation and Use)
Regulations. They require, broadly

a. room sealed if more than 14kW

b. flame failure device or the like if not over 14kW and not room sealed

--
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No idea, but both our upstairs bedrooms have the remnants of gas fires in
them, and when I was young can recall them being used. Made to fit straight
into the chimney as it went up in the corner of the rooms from downstairs,
they were always a source of draughts and when the gas was taken out we
glued lino over the holes.
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While out at a social event last night, a friend related part of his days
events to me.

He lives in an old farm house and had, until yesterday, gas fires in
several bedrooms fitted to the fireplaces. I assume they've been in place
some years, I'm sure the house has been in the family for a very long
time.

Apparently, during a routine check, he was advised the fires were unsafe
as gas fires were not permitted upstairs in bedrooms. He had them
disconnected and removed.

I've never heard of this regulation.

No flu tests were done etc- so the matter wasn't related to CO etc, at
least in terms of the fires having malfunctioned/flus being blocked.

Anyone familiar with this situation?


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On 23/02/2018 11:14, John Rumm wrote:
On 23/02/2018 09:30, Brian Reay wrote:

While out at a social event last night, a friend related part of his
days events to me.

He lives in an old farm house and had, until yesterday, gas fires in
several bedrooms fitted to the fireplaces. I assume they've been in
place some years, I'm sure the house has been in the family for a very
long time.

Apparently, during a routine check, he was advised the fires were unsafe
as gas fires were not permitted upstairs in bedrooms.Â* He had them
disconnected and removed.

I've never heard of this regulation.

Probably because it does not exist...


BS 5871-1:2005 would be the place to look, and that does not have much
to say on bedrooms beyond how to calculate the typical heating load.

You can't have an open flued boiler in a bedroom, and there are
advisories about fittings things like fan assisted heater in bedrooms
due to the noise implications.

That makes sense.

However a properly fitted and flued fire should be fine.

Which is what I would expect.

If nothing else, what happens in 'bedsits' and 'studio flats' etc.


No flu tests were done etc- so the matter wasn't related to CO etc, at
least in terms of the fires having malfunctioned/flus being blocked.

Anyone familiar with this situation?

Its possible it was a very old fire installation without a proper sealed
closure plate...



True, although as I understand it, the fires weren't inspected beyond
being seen. I suppose they may have been a particular type which are
deemed to be not compliant with current rules.

Thank you, and others you responded.

As Robin commented, it is possible 'something got mangled in
transmission'.

A little academic now, the fires were removed and, I believe, the plan
is to rely on electric ones (they have central heating as well, I assume
the fires were used for 'top up' heating).

On 23/02/2018 14:44, Brian Reay wrote:
On 23/02/2018 11:14, John Rumm wrote:
On 23/02/2018 09:30, Brian Reay wrote:

While out at a social event last night, a friend related part of his
days events to me.

He lives in an old farm house and had, until yesterday, gas fires in
several bedrooms fitted to the fireplaces. I assume they've been in
place some years, I'm sure the house has been in the family for a very
long time.

Apparently, during a routine check, he was advised the fires were unsafe
as gas fires were not permitted upstairs in bedrooms.Â* He had them
disconnected and removed.

I've never heard of this regulation.

Probably because it does not exist...

BS 5871-1:2005 would be the place to look, and that does not have much
to say on bedrooms beyond how to calculate the typical heating load.

You can't have an open flued boiler in a bedroom, and there are
advisories about fittings things like fan assisted heater in bedrooms
due to the noise implications.

That makes sense.

However a properly fitted and flued fire should be fine.

Which is what I would expect.

If nothing else, what happens in 'bedsits' and 'studio flats' etc.

Only modern namby-pambies would leave the gas fire on when they are in
bed. Bung another blanket on.

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On Friday, 23 February 2018 20:26:17 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
Only modern namby-pambies would leave the gas fire on when they are in
bed. Bung another blanket on.

Just been reading a book about post-war working-class housing, and it suggests that a cottage can have a fireplace in one bedroom for use as a sick-room.

The other bedroom does without.

I can't remember the actual recommended temperatures for rooms (which were in deg. Fahr.) but they were certainly a lot more bracing than we'd expect today.

Owain

On 23/02/2018 22:30, wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 20:26:17 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
Only modern namby-pambies would leave the gas fire on when they are in
bed. Bung another blanket on.

Just been reading a book about post-war working-class housing, and it suggests that a cottage can have a fireplace in one bedroom for use as a sick-room.

The other bedroom does without.

I can't remember the actual recommended temperatures for rooms (which were in deg. Fahr.) but they were certainly a lot more bracing than we'd expect today.

"Sitting down" temperatures were recommended to be a minimum of 65°F,
similar to modern recommendations of 18°C as a minimum - though I doubt
that the people who recommend this would put up with it. 70°F was always
reckoned to be a lot more agreeable, equivalent to 21°C.

Actually these were never considered to be needed in bedrooms, which
would usually be unheated.

Many houses up to WW2 had fireplaces in all the bedrooms, though I
expect only people with servants would have used them, and then only
when dressing in the morning. When I was young it was rumoured that
fires would be lit if anyone got sick, but I guess I never got sick enough.



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On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 23:28:11 +0000, Max Demian wrote:

On 23/02/2018 22:30, wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 20:26:17 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
Only modern namby-pambies would leave the gas fire on when they are in
bed. Bung another blanket on.

Just been reading a book about post-war working-class housing, and it
suggests that a cottage can have a fireplace in one bedroom for use as
a sick-room.

The other bedroom does without.

I can't remember the actual recommended temperatures for rooms (which
were in deg. Fahr.) but they were certainly a lot more bracing than
we'd expect today.

"Sitting down" temperatures were recommended to be a minimum of 65°F,
similar to modern recommendations of 18°C as a minimum - though I doubt
that the people who recommend this would put up with it. 70°F was always
reckoned to be a lot more agreeable, equivalent to 21°C.

Actually these were never considered to be needed in bedrooms, which
would usually be unheated.

Many houses up to WW2 had fireplaces in all the bedrooms, though I
expect only people with servants would have used them, and then only
when dressing in the morning. When I was young it was rumoured that
fires would be lit if anyone got sick, but I guess I never got sick
enough.

Interesting stuff.

Our 1896 house had fireplaces in every room.

Our 1930s houses; one (4 bed detached) we can't work out if there were
fireplaces upstairs that had been blocked up, the other one (3 bed semi)
certainly had fireplaces in the two main upstairs bedrooms (when we
extended we found some of the joists partially burned through around the
fireplace). No chimney near the little bedroom.

Childhood house ('30s or 40's?) showed no signs of an upstairs fireplace
at all.

So from personal experience I can't see a pattern.

I do recall it being bloody freezing upstairs in the childhood home, with
ice on the inside of the windows and an electric fire if someone was sick.

Electric blankets were a godsend.


Cheers


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On 24/02/2018 12:54, David wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 23:28:11 +0000, Max Demian wrote:

On 23/02/2018 22:30, wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 20:26:17 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
Only modern namby-pambies would leave the gas fire on when they are in
bed. Bung another blanket on.

Just been reading a book about post-war working-class housing, and it
suggests that a cottage can have a fireplace in one bedroom for use as
a sick-room.

The other bedroom does without.

I can't remember the actual recommended temperatures for rooms (which
were in deg. Fahr.) but they were certainly a lot more bracing than
we'd expect today.

"Sitting down" temperatures were recommended to be a minimum of 65°F,
similar to modern recommendations of 18°C as a minimum - though I doubt
that the people who recommend this would put up with it. 70°F was always
reckoned to be a lot more agreeable, equivalent to 21°C.

Actually these were never considered to be needed in bedrooms, which
would usually be unheated.

Many houses up to WW2 had fireplaces in all the bedrooms, though I
expect only people with servants would have used them, and then only
when dressing in the morning. When I was young it was rumoured that
fires would be lit if anyone got sick, but I guess I never got sick
enough.

Interesting stuff.

Our 1896 house had fireplaces in every room.

Our 1930s houses; one (4 bed detached) we can't work out if there were
fireplaces upstairs that had been blocked up, the other one (3 bed semi)
certainly had fireplaces in the two main upstairs bedrooms (when we
extended we found some of the joists partially burned through around the
fireplace). No chimney near the little bedroom.

Childhood house ('30s or 40's?) showed no signs of an upstairs fireplace
at all.

So from personal experience I can't see a pattern.

"All electric" houses were the vogue from the 30s. Then they got their
first electric bill.

In the 60s newly built houses just had a coal fire in the main living
room and that was it.

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On 24/02/2018 14:52, Max Demian wrote:

"All electric" houses were the vogue from the 30s. Then they got their
first electric bill.

In the 60s newly built houses just had a coal fire in the main living
room and that was it.


I thought central heating was the norm in the 60s, even if just in a
basic form.


I lived in a 1950's built house (probably mid 50s) as a child and it has
a coal fire in the sitting room which heated the hot water and two
radiators- one in the main bedroom and one in the kitchen. The second
bedroom was unheated.

We moved to a 3 bedroom version, of similar vintage, which had similar
heating arrangements.

Then to a flat built in 1967 or so and it had electric under floor
heating in the sitting room and hall.

I recall some houses being built near us in the 1960s which had central
heating- blown hot air- and even cavity insulation via polystyene sheet,
bits of it used to blow around the area.

On 24/02/2018 12:54, David wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 23:28:11 +0000, Max Demian wrote:

On 23/02/2018 22:30, wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 20:26:17 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
Only modern namby-pambies would leave the gas fire on when they are in
bed. Bung another blanket on.

Just been reading a book about post-war working-class housing, and it
suggests that a cottage can have a fireplace in one bedroom for use as
a sick-room.

The other bedroom does without.

I can't remember the actual recommended temperatures for rooms (which
were in deg. Fahr.) but they were certainly a lot more bracing than
we'd expect today.

"Sitting down" temperatures were recommended to be a minimum of 65°F,
similar to modern recommendations of 18°C as a minimum - though I doubt
that the people who recommend this would put up with it. 70°F was always
reckoned to be a lot more agreeable, equivalent to 21°C.

Actually these were never considered to be needed in bedrooms, which
would usually be unheated.

Many houses up to WW2 had fireplaces in all the bedrooms, though I
expect only people with servants would have used them, and then only
when dressing in the morning. When I was young it was rumoured that
fires would be lit if anyone got sick, but I guess I never got sick
enough.

Interesting stuff.

Our 1896 house had fireplaces in every room.

Same with my childhood home - similar vintage.

Our current place (again similar age) was only built with two as far as
I can tell.

Our 1930s houses; one (4 bed detached) we can't work out if there were
fireplaces upstairs that had been blocked up, the other one (3 bed semi)
certainly had fireplaces in the two main upstairs bedrooms (when we
extended we found some of the joists partially burned through around the
fireplace). No chimney near the little bedroom.

Out 1956 semi had fireplaces in 2 of the three beds, and both downstairs
receptions originally. Only one remained in the main living room by the
time we got there.

Childhood house ('30s or 40's?) showed no signs of an upstairs fireplace
at all.

So from personal experience I can't see a pattern.

I do recall it being bloody freezing upstairs in the childhood home, with
ice on the inside of the windows and an electric fire if someone was sick.

Yup same, minus the electric fire!


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On 2/24/2018 9:52 AM, Max Demian wrote:

In the 60s newly built houses just had a coal fire in the main living
room and that was it.

My grandparents' 1930s house just had a coal fire in the living room.
Granpa put an electric towel-warmer in the bathroom, but that was it for
the heating.
My late-1700s flat had a coal fire in the main room - the bedroom
fireplace had been converted to gas.
Both were in Edinburgh.

The family home in Sutherland had a fire in the kitchen/diner, the
living room, and little ones in two of the upstairs bedrooms. Built in
the late 1800s, rebuilt in the 1930s.

On 24/02/18 12:54, David wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 23:28:11 +0000, Max Demian wrote:

On 23/02/2018 22:30, wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 20:26:17 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
Only modern namby-pambies would leave the gas fire on when they are in
bed. Bung another blanket on.

Just been reading a book about post-war working-class housing, and it
suggests that a cottage can have a fireplace in one bedroom for use as
a sick-room.

The other bedroom does without.

I can't remember the actual recommended temperatures for rooms (which
were in deg. Fahr.) but they were certainly a lot more bracing than
we'd expect today.

"Sitting down" temperatures were recommended to be a minimum of 65°F,
similar to modern recommendations of 18°C as a minimum - though I doubt
that the people who recommend this would put up with it. 70°F was always
reckoned to be a lot more agreeable, equivalent to 21°C.

Actually these were never considered to be needed in bedrooms, which
would usually be unheated.

Many houses up to WW2 had fireplaces in all the bedrooms, though I
expect only people with servants would have used them, and then only
when dressing in the morning. When I was young it was rumoured that
fires would be lit if anyone got sick, but I guess I never got sick
enough.

Interesting stuff.

Our 1896 house had fireplaces in every room.

Our 1930s houses; one (4 bed detached) we can't work out if there were
fireplaces upstairs that had been blocked up, the other one (3 bed semi)
certainly had fireplaces in the two main upstairs bedrooms (when we
extended we found some of the joists partially burned through around the
fireplace). No chimney near the little bedroom.

Childhood house ('30s or 40's?) showed no signs of an upstairs fireplace
at all.

So from personal experience I can't see a pattern.

My experience: houses up to 1920s, a fireplace in every room. From the
mid 19th century when mass produced cast-iron fire surrounds and grates
became the norm the bedroom fireplaces tend to be small and designed to
be filled with hot coals from the main fire elsewhere rather than
maintained all day.
From 1930s the bedroom fireplace disappeared. My childhood home, built
1957 but a scaled down version of the standard 1930 semi, had fireplaces
in the two ground floor rooms but not in the bedrooms. My father paid
extra for an additional electric socket in the main bedroom and an
electric fire. Hot water heated by a back boiler to the coal fire.
Central heating not installed until mid 60s: still coal fired by a back
boiler and enclosed stove. Then went to gas back-boiler in 70s.

On 24/02/2018 20:10, DJC wrote:
My experience: houses up to 1920s, a fireplace in every room. From the
mid 19th century when mass produced cast-iron fire surrounds and grates
became the norm the bedroom fireplaces tend to be small and designed to
be filled with hot coals from the main fire elsewhere rather than
maintained all day.

Our house had a fire in the main room, and that was it.

(Early 18thC peasant's cottages. There were two, with one upstairs and
one downstairs room each. They are now joined.)

Andy

On Friday, 23 February 2018 20:26:17 UTC, Max Demian wrote:

Only modern namby-pambies would leave the gas fire on when they are in
bed. Bung another blanket on.

Unsophisticated. Country gentry just bung another dog on.

--
SL

On 25/02/2018 23:48, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 14:52:59 -0000, Max Demian
wrote:
On 24/02/2018 12:54, David wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 23:28:11 +0000, Max Demian wrote:
On 23/02/2018 22:30, wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 20:26:17 UTC, Max Demian* wrote:

Only modern namby-pambies would leave the gas fire on when they
are in
bed. Bung another blanket on.

Just been reading a book about post-war working-class housing, and it
suggests that a cottage can have a fireplace in one bedroom for use as
a sick-room.

The other bedroom does without.

I can't remember the actual recommended temperatures for rooms (which
were in deg. Fahr.) but they were certainly a lot more bracing than
we'd expect today.

"Sitting down" temperatures were recommended to be a minimum of 65°F,
similar to modern recommendations of 18°C as a minimum - though I doubt
that the people who recommend this would put up with it. 70°F was
always
reckoned to be a lot more agreeable, equivalent to 21°C.

Actually these were never considered to be needed in bedrooms, which
would usually be unheated.

Many houses up to WW2 had fireplaces in all the bedrooms, though I
expect only people with servants would have used them, and then only
when dressing in the morning. When I was young it was rumoured that
fires would be lit if anyone got sick, but I guess I never got sick
enough.

Interesting stuff.

Our 1896 house had fireplaces in every room.

Our 1930s houses; one (4 bed detached) we can't work out if there were
fireplaces upstairs that had been blocked up, the other one (3 bed semi)
certainly had fireplaces in the two main upstairs bedrooms (when we
extended we found some of the joists partially burned through around the
fireplace). No chimney near the little bedroom.

Childhood house ('30s or 40's?) showed no signs of an upstairs fireplace
at all.

So from personal experience I can't see a pattern.

"All electric" houses were the vogue from the 30s. Then they got their
first electric bill.

Then economy 7 was invented.

It appears that Economy 7 (as such) only came in in 1978, though there
was another system which had an additional boost period in the early
afternoon, presumably as storage heaters weren't so good. With that
system only the storage heaters and the immersion heater (if any) came
on during the off-peak times - everything else was full rate all the
time. I don't know what that tariff was called. I remember having it in
1975 or so and also up to 1998.

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Max Demian

On 24/02/2018 12:54, David wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 23:28:11 +0000, Max Demian wrote:
On 23/02/2018 22:30, wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 20:26:17 UTC, Max Demian wrote:

Only modern namby-pambies would leave the gas fire on when they are in
bed. Bung another blanket on.

Just been reading a book about post-war working-class housing, and it
suggests that a cottage can have a fireplace in one bedroom for use as
a sick-room.

The other bedroom does without.

I can't remember the actual recommended temperatures for rooms (which
were in deg. Fahr.) but they were certainly a lot more bracing than
we'd expect today.

"Sitting down" temperatures were recommended to be a minimum of 65°F,
similar to modern recommendations of 18°C as a minimum - though I doubt
that the people who recommend this would put up with it. 70°F was always
reckoned to be a lot more agreeable, equivalent to 21°C.

Actually these were never considered to be needed in bedrooms, which
would usually be unheated.

Many houses up to WW2 had fireplaces in all the bedrooms, though I
expect only people with servants would have used them, and then only
when dressing in the morning. When I was young it was rumoured that
fires would be lit if anyone got sick, but I guess I never got sick
enough.

Interesting stuff.

Our 1896 house had fireplaces in every room.

Our 1930s houses; one (4 bed detached) we can't work out if there were
fireplaces upstairs that had been blocked up, the other one (3 bed semi)
certainly had fireplaces in the two main upstairs bedrooms (when we
extended we found some of the joists partially burned through around the
fireplace). No chimney near the little bedroom.

Childhood house ('30s or 40's?) showed no signs of an upstairs fireplace
at all.

So from personal experience I can't see a pattern.

I do recall it being bloody freezing upstairs in the childhood home, with
ice on the inside of the windows and an electric fire if someone was sick.

Electric blankets were a godsend.

Looxury...

We only had hot water bottles, and then only in beds that hadn't been
slept in recently, to 'air' them. Not that they did very much.

--
Max Demian

On 25/02/2018 23:46, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 23:28:11 -0000, Max Demian
wrote:

On 23/02/2018 22:30, wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 20:26:17 UTC, Max Demian* wrote:
Only modern namby-pambies would leave the gas fire on when they are in
bed. Bung another blanket on.

Just been reading a book about post-war working-class housing, and it
suggests that a cottage can have a fireplace in one bedroom for use
as a sick-room.

The other bedroom does without.

I can't remember the actual recommended temperatures for rooms (which
were in deg. Fahr.) but they were certainly a lot more bracing than
we'd expect today.

"Sitting down" temperatures were recommended to be a minimum of 65°F,
similar to modern recommendations of 18°C as a minimum - though I doubt
that the people who recommend this would put up with it. 70°F was always
reckoned to be a lot more agreeable, equivalent to 21°C.

Actually these were never considered to be needed in bedrooms, which
would usually be unheated.

Many houses up to WW2 had fireplaces in all the bedrooms, though I
expect only people with servants would have used them, and then only
when dressing in the morning. When I was young it was rumoured that
fires would be lit if anyone got sick, but I guess I never got sick
enough.

Why on earth would anyone have a number to allocate to what's
comfortable?* If you're not comfortable, turn more heat on.* It's a
personal preference ffs.

People determining housing policy, and 'engineers' installing central
heating have to have numbers to tout.

--
Max Demian

On 25/02/2018 23:38, wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 20:26:17 UTC, Max Demian wrote:

Only modern namby-pambies would leave the gas fire on when they are in
bed. Bung another blanket on.

Unsophisticated. Country gentry just bung another dog on.

Or peasant wench.

--
Max Demian

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 00:32:54 -0000, Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson"),
the pathological attention whore of all the uk ngs, blathered again:


Doesn't your body create heat?

Does your "brain" ONLY produce ****, you sociopathic ****head?

I sure hope that all your neighbours and relatives in real life will
eventually learn about your "reputation" on these groups, Peter Hucker, you
disgusting, filthy ******!

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negative it may be."
MID:

--
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"What, were you dropped on your head as a child?"
MID:

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Christie addressing endlessly driveling Birdbrain Macaw (now "James
Wilkinson" LOL):
"What are you resurrecting that old post of mine for? It's from last
month some time. You're like a dog who's just dug up an old bone they
hid in the garden until they were ready to have another go at it."
MID:

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"You are a well known fool, a tosser, a pillock, a stupid unemployable
sponging failure who will always live alone and will die alone. You will not
be missed."
MID:

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Richard to pathetic ****** Hucker:
"You haven't bred?
Only useful thing you've done in your pathetic existence."
MID:

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about Birdbrain (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
""not the sharpest knife in the drawer"'s parents sure made a serious
mistake having him born alive -- A total waste of oxygen, food, space,
and bandwidth."
MID:

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Mr Pounder exposing sociopathic Birdbrain:
"You will always be a lonely sociopath living in a ******** with no hot
running water with loads of stinking cats and a few parrots."
MID:

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francis about Birdbrain (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
"He seems to have a reputation as someone of limited intelligence"
MID:

--
Peter Moylan about Birdbrain (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
"If people like JWS didn't exist, we would have to find some other way to
explain the concept of "invincible ignorance"."
MID:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 00:04:12 +0000, Max Demian wrote:


People determining housing policy, and 'engineers' installing central
heating have to have numbers to tout.

You are talking to a PROVEN idiot and sociopath!

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 00:29:59 -0000, Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson"),
the pathological attention whore of all the uk ngs, blathered again:

I tend to lose faith rapidly in anyone coming up with silly statistics.

People on Usenet AND in real life tend to consider you a filthy troll, an
idiot and sociopathic attention whore, Peter Hucker!

--
Mr Pounder's fitting description of Birdbrain Macaw:
"You are a well known fool, a tosser, a pillock, a stupid unemployable
sponging failure who will always live alone and will die alone. You will not
be missed."
MID:

--
Richard to pathetic ****** Hucker:
"You haven't bred?
Only useful thing you've done in your pathetic existence."
MID:

--
about Birdbrain (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
""not the sharpest knife in the drawer"'s parents sure made a serious
mistake having him born alive -- A total waste of oxygen, food, space,
and bandwidth."
MID:

--
Mr Pounder exposing sociopathic Birdbrain:
"You will always be a lonely sociopath living in a ******** with no hot
running water with loads of stinking cats and a few parrots."
MID:

--
francis about Birdbrain (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
"He seems to have a reputation as someone of limited intelligence"
MID:

--
Peter Moylan about Birdbrain (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
"If people like JWS didn't exist, we would have to find some other way to
explain the concept of "invincible ignorance"."
MID:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 00:33:08 -0000, Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson"),
the pathological attention whore of all the uk ngs, blathered again:


Ooooh kinky!

You chronic ****** certainly are, Peter Hucker!

--
More of Birdbrain Macaw's (now "James Wilkinson" LOL) life as a ******:
"When I was 14, there were places in forests where people would leave
magazines for anyone to use."
MID:

On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 23:45:47 -0000, Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson"),
the pathological attention whore of all the uk ngs, blathered again:


FLUSH the poor idiot's inevitable idiotic sociopathic bull****

Some feedback about Peter Hucker:


Mr Pounder's fitting description of Birdbrain Macaw:
"You are a well known fool, a tosser, a pillock, a stupid unemployable
sponging failure who will always live alone and will die alone. You will not
be missed."
MID:


Richard to pathetic ****** Hucker:
"You haven't bred?
Only useful thing you've done in your pathetic existence."
MID:


about Birdbrain (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
""not the sharpest knife in the drawer"'s parents sure made a serious
mistake having him born alive -- A total waste of oxygen, food, space,
and bandwidth."
MID:


Mr Pounder exposing sociopathic Birdbrain:
"You will always be a lonely sociopath living in a ******** with no hot
running water with loads of stinking cats and a few parrots."
MID:


francis about Birdbrain (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
"He seems to have a reputation as someone of limited intelligence"
MID:


Peter Moylan about Birdbrain (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
"If people like JWS didn't exist, we would have to find some other way to
explain the concept of "invincible ignorance"."
MID:

On Sunday, 25 February 2018 23:59:51 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
... only the storage heaters and the immersion heater (if any) came
on during the off-peak times - everything else was full rate all the
time. I don't know what that tariff was called.

In Scotland I think it was "White Meter".

Day rate is 08.00-23.30. Night rate is 23.30-08.00.
Control rate is for storage heating and the control circuit is energised for 8.5hrs in every 24hr period. In recent winters the charge period has been split to provide 7:5hrs overnight and 1hr in the afternoon, between 12.30pm and 3.30pm.
https://www.scottishpower.co.uk/ener...ctric-heating/
"View the option tables"

https://sse.co.uk/help/energy/meters...of-meter#item1

https://assets.publishing.service.go...ted_meters.pdf

"there are 734 meter configurations reflected in the settlement process."

Owain