On 09/02/2018 15:11, Huge wrote:
Quite possibly, but among the oh-so-long list of its failings is that
there is no manual, so there's no easy way of finding out.

There is an e-manual built-in to my Samsung TV. There is even
a button on the remote control.

Or you can get a PDF version from their website.

On 09/02/2018 21:02, Steve Walker wrote:
Ours not only has line out, but a separate sub-woofer out and, more
surprising for a 4K TV, it actually has a SCART socket - not that we
need it.

SteveW

Have fun getting a 4K, or even an HD signal into the TV via
scart though :-)

On 10/02/2018 01:30, Steve Walker wrote:
Yes, phonos.

Toshiba 43U6763. £299 from Richer Sounds - who, oddly enough, advertise
it as a single tuner, Freeview TV, despite it having both Freeview and
Satellite inputs. They also don't mention the analogue audio outputs,
but they are there.

SteveW

Richer Sounds 'new improved' website (for the phablet brigade) has
lost much of the product detail that the previous website showed
when you clicked on detailed description.

And it now seems to download vast amounts of data before you can
use it.

On 10/02/2018 15:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/02/18 14:02, Steve Walker wrote:
We moved from a 28" CRT to a 40" LCD and now to a 43" which is big
enough for us.
Oi remember when 13" was big...

Yes. I don't remember the TV from when I was a toddler (just photos),
but do remember the massive wooden box with a 16" screen which was our
first colour TV (a Decca bought non-functional for £5 and repaired by my
dad) and the physically smaller, but 22" screen B&W TV in the front
room. I later had a 15" colour TV in my bedroom, which ended up my
living room when I bought a house. The 28" one was a replacement for that.

SteveW

Brian Gaff wrote:

somebody was telling me that the only sound bars which he
ever had no problems with were Sonos

I've never looked at Sonos kit, but a good reason not to buy from them
seems to be that they are planning to send out an update in April to
deliberately brick the oldest Sonos devices ...

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/02/18 14:02, Steve Walker wrote:
We moved from a 28" CRT to a 40" LCD and now to a 43" which is big
enough for us.
Oi remember when 13" was big...

13"? Either that screen had shrunk or your brain has.

--
*Laugh alone and the world thinks you're an idiot.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Huge wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

they are planning to send out an update in April to
deliberately brick the oldest Sonos devices ...

What!?!?!
https://www.extremetech.com/electronics/254561-sonos-accept-new-privacy-policy-well-brick-device
Kinda.

No, this ....

https://en.community.sonos.com/controllers-228995/cr100-6800510

You can reject the bricking update to the old controller ... but then
every other piece of Sonos kit you own stops receiving updates.

In article ,
Martin wrote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 00:10:48 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/02/18 14:02, Steve Walker wrote:
We moved from a 28" CRT to a 40" LCD and now to a 43" which is big
enough for us.
Oi remember when 13" was big...

13"? Either that screen had shrunk or your brain has.

Our first TV was a 12" at the time there was a joke
Q: Which TV does EIIR prefer?
A: Philips 12"

;-)

TV arrived in my part of Scotland rather later than elsewhere. My father
had already seen it on visits to London on business. And realised it would
be a very good way of getting out taking the family to a cinema once a
week.

Since there was no TV in the area, little chance of buying a used set in
those days. So we got a new 17" RGD. Cost 59 gns.

--
*If horrific means to make horrible, does terrific mean to make terrible?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 00:10:48 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/02/18 14:02, Steve Walker wrote:
We moved from a 28" CRT to a 40" LCD and now to a 43" which is big
enough for us.
Oi remember when 13" was big...

13"? Either that screen had shrunk or your brain has.

Our first TV was a 12" at the time there was a joke
Q: Which TV does EIIR prefer?
A: Philips 12"

we had a Pye in 1950 with a 9” screen and enormous wooden cabinet
which was taller then me


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In message , Mark writes

"Martin" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 00:10:48 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/02/18 14:02, Steve Walker wrote:
We moved from a 28" CRT to a 40" LCD and now to a 43" which is big
enough for us.
Oi remember when 13" was big...

13"? Either that screen had shrunk or your brain has.

Our first TV was a 12" at the time there was a joke
Q: Which TV does EIIR prefer?
A: Philips 12"

we had a Pye in 1950 with a 9€� screen and enormous wooden cabinet
which was taller then me

My grandparents had one of those about then. We kids used to get on the
bus after school to go and watch Hopalong Cassidy and Tex Ritter!

--
Tim Lamb

On 11 Feb 2018 10:58:45 GMT, Huge wrote:

"users will not be able to opt out of Sonos collecting their product
type, controller device type, operating system, software version
information, content source, signal input, Wi-Fi antenna information,
audio settings, product orientation, room names (as assigned by the end
user) and whether you ve used the Sonos Trueplay technology to tune
output."

And you can't opt out.

Is that legal? I guess so, it's their ball, so you have to play by
their rules.

**** that noise.

Logitech Squeezebox works just as well, is much cheaper and is Open
Source. OK, the kit is obsolete, but still widely available on eBay, and
there are ports to RasPi now. And it doesn't spy on you.

Yep, works very well, also at least one player for Android and
several control apps. So get a cheap Android tablet and set of
speakers/amp and away you go with a nice big colour touch screen
interafce or remote control.
--
Cheers
Dave.