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On 18/02/18 22:25, dennis@home wrote:
On 18/02/2018 22:02, Fredxx wrote:
On 18/02/2018 21:35, dennis@home wrote:
On 18/02/2018 21:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/02/18 20:02, dennis@home wrote:
On 18/02/2018 17:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/02/18 11:12, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/02/18 18:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â*Â* James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sat, 17 Feb 2018 12:58:50 -0000, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article ,
Â*Â*Â*Â* James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
The best way would probably be to deliberately make the vehicle
inoperative, stick on the hazard lights, then you can claim
you broke
down.Â* Pull out an HT lead, then you can try to start it
without success.

You have a car with an HT lead? How very quaint.

How else do you think the spark plug operates?Â* (Diesels
excepted)

You've not looked at an engine made in the last 20 years or so?

yep. coil pack, HT leads...

So you think removing one HT lead would stop it running? You
probably do.

no, but swapping two might work



Not very likely, many engines just spark on all cylinders at the
same time. Only one is actually in a state where it will ignite.

Oh dear.



You need to learn more.
Try

https://www.popularmechanics.com/car.../a603/2593431/

for how it works.

You are utterly clueless and illiterate.

That's good coming from a brexiteer.
Just how much of a hypocrite are you?


Try reading part that says "uses a single coil to fire a pair of
cylinders".

A four cylinder will have two coils, etc, etc more for more cylinders.

Perhaps you run a 2 cylinder car and so can be excused for the mistake.



So?
What I said was correct as I didn't specify how many cylinders.
I didn't even say it was four stroke.
But you can't even read a two line posting.



Oh dear - yes I remember fixing GFs 2CV with just one coil and no
distributor back in 1971, but seriously, you are misleading people
Dennis, mostly yourself. Very few cars have just one coil PACK any more.
Or simultraneous firing of ALL spark plugs.. In a V6 or V8 that would be
....not clever..

This habit of yours = of picking some isolated factoid from a particular
case and implying that it is in fact the general case and universal,
just to trayt and fain attention and win arguments, is as obnoxious as
wiping your arse with your bare nhands and licking them.

Please desist.




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On 19/02/18 00:49, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 21:35:18 -0000, dennis@home wrote:

On 18/02/2018 21:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/02/18 20:02, dennis@home wrote:
On 18/02/2018 17:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/02/18 11:12, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/02/18 18:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sat, 17 Feb 2018 12:58:50 -0000, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article ,
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
The best way would probably be to deliberately make the vehicle
inoperative, stick on the hazard lights, then you can claim you
broke
down. Pull out an HT lead, then you can try to start it
without success.

You have a car with an HT lead? How very quaint.

How else do you think the spark plug operates? (Diesels excepted)

You've not looked at an engine made in the last 20 years or so?

yep. coil pack, HT leads...

So you think removing one HT lead would stop it running? You
probably do.

no, but swapping two might work



Not very likely, many engines just spark on all cylinders at the same
time. Only one is actually in a state where it will ignite.

Oh dear.



You need to learn more.
Try

https://www.popularmechanics.com/car.../a603/2593431/

for how it works.

Why would you want to create 4 sparks for the price of one?

Sparks are cheap. Beauty with wasted spark - which dennis is thinking of
but getting rather confused with - is it only needs a signal from the
crankshaft. Dizzy ignition or any form of sequential requires an engine
phase signal. A dizzy being the very worst as that signal varies due to
slop in the drive to it.

"When the blind leads the blind, they both shall fall into the ditch"

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On Friday, 16 February 2018 16:48:15 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 16/02/2018 13:25, whisky-dave wrote:

Like the £50 worth I brought for my brother to park but does that
really make him a resident ? It also doesn;t give him the right to
park outtside my place or even in the road. And ANYONE can use these
passes a resident a none resident even a Martian.

Its not a residents pass then is it?!
They aren't residents only parking spaces either so are totally
irrelevant to what was being discussed.

But none residetns can't buy them, the resident has to buy them, because you have to put your home address otherwiase you can't buy them.

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In article ,
pamela wrote:
It is a unions job to do the very best for its members. There are
plenty who want worse conditions and pay for everyone. Including
you, it would seem. Except yourself, obviously.

There's nothing wrong at all in unions doing the best for their
members but it should not be carried out in a way that adversely
affects other people.

If a union negotiates a pay rise it could put up the cost of the product.
Therefore affecting other people.

Your definition is a nonsense.

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In article ,
pamela wrote:
You have to remember pamela is only concerned with the pay. If any
company was restricting cleaning work on minimum pay to relatives
of employees, she'd not have mentioned it.

Wonder what she makes of the corner shop employing only relatives?

A corner shop is not part of the public sector.

So what?

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On 19/02/2018 01:05, pamela wrote:
On 00:35 19 Feb 2018, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
pamela wrote:
Organised labour unions do have a role but not in militancy or
overprotectionism.

It is a unions job to do the very best for its members. There are
plenty who want worse conditions and pay for everyone. Including
you, it would seem. Except yourself, obviously.

There's nothing wrong at all in unions doing the best for their
members but it should not be carried out in a way that adversely
affects other people.

You like the investors and the likely hit on profits?

Have you thought this through?

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On 19/02/2018 12:50, Fredxx wrote:
On 19/02/2018 01:05, pamela wrote:
On 00:35Â* 19 Feb 2018, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Â*Â*Â* pamela wrote:
Organised labour unions do have a role but not in militancy or
overprotectionism.

It is a unions job to do the very best for its members. There are
plenty who want worse conditions and pay for everyone. Including
you, it would seem. Except yourself, obviously.

There's nothing wrong at all in unions doing the best for their
members but it should not be carried out in a way that adversely
affects other people.

You
mean
like the investors and the likely hit on profits?

Have you thought this through?

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On 19/02/2018 07:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


This habit of yours = of picking some isolated factoid from a particular
case and implying that it is in fact the general case and universal,

Funny that *I* posted the explanation of how and why it works while you
just posted a comment to try and score whatever points you think you are
getting.

just to trayt and fain attention and win arguments, is as obnoxious as
wiping your arse with your bare nhands and licking them.

Please desist.

Why? don't you want explanations of why you were wrong posting?

Why don't you put me back in your killfile and shut up.

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In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
On 19/02/2018 00:35, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
pamela wrote:
Organised labour unions do have a role but not in militancy or
overprotectionism.

It is a unions job to do the very best for its members. There are
plenty who want worse conditions and pay for everyone. Including you,
it would seem. Except yourself, obviously.

Well, Pamela saw no issue with a family living on a national minimum
wage.

No surprise. Plenty think the living wage is just fine for anyone - except
themselves, of course.

The trouble with politicised unions is they want to run the country
even though they haven't been elected.

Of course they are going to be political. When governments interfere
with the bargaining between employer and employee.

And when they get too powerful, political forces tend to put them back
to where they should be. Thatcher, for instance, got that mandate.

What of course she did was merely close down the likes of the coal
industry. Which she was able to do because of North Sea oil.

The regulation of unions she introduced had very little effect - I know
all about how they worked having had to implement them. She had been
reading the Mail etc and thought the majority of disputes were not
supported by the majority of members - hence postal ballots etc. Which
made not a scrap of difference in practice.
But then the likes of pamela would appear to want union action made
effectivley illegal. Since they are still going on strike etc despite
Thatcher's laws.

Unions also have a habit of promoting backward practices and shunning
new technology.

Those are poor/stupid unions. The trick is to grab all new technology and
make it essential. Then do a deal on it, and for any members it affects
directly. But of course a true Tory is only interested in how many can be
forced out of work. A decent employer will seek to redeploy

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On 19/02/2018 01:46, Fredxx wrote:
On 19/02/2018 00:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* Tim Streater wrote:
Very productive having employees simmering over that rather than
getting on with the job.

Why don't the employees just get on with the job instead of simmering?

They'd be dreaming up ways of getting the foreman to put them on a higher
rate than their workmates.

What's wrong with that?

Perhaps working harder might do the trick.


They already do that, its called piece work.
Dave won't like that as its exploiting the workers by giving them a
reason to work harder and then some will get paid more for doing the
same job.

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In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
On 19/02/2018 00:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
Very productive having employees simmering over that rather than
getting on with the job.

Why don't the employees just get on with the job instead of simmering?

They'd be dreaming up ways of getting the foreman to put them on a
higher rate than their workmates.

What's wrong with that?

Better to be concentrating on the job in hand?

Perhaps working harder might do the trick.

See above.

But perhaps you worked on some form of production line where 'work' was
measured by the number of widgets you produced. Others may have a job less
easy to define just how hard you work.

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Very few cars have just one coil PACK any more.

"When the blind leads the blind, they both shall fall into the ditch"

Perhaps, Turnip, you need the definition of pack


Collins GEM English Dictionary
pack n. set of things sold together
(snipped so even you can understand it)

Several engines use multiple coils in the same casing.

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In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 16 February 2018 16:48:15 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 16/02/2018 13:25, whisky-dave wrote:

Like the £50 worth I brought for my brother to park but does that
really make him a resident ? It also doesn;t give him the right to
park outtside my place or even in the road. And ANYONE can use these
passes a resident a none resident even a Martian.

Its not a residents pass then is it?!
They aren't residents only parking spaces either so are totally
irrelevant to what was being discussed.

But none residetns can't buy them, the resident has to buy them, because
you have to put your home address otherwiase you can't buy them.

Tradesmen can usually buy a temporary permit for a resident's parking
space.

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In article ,
dennis@home wrote:
Perhaps working harder might do the trick.


They already do that, its called piece work.

Rather out of fashion these days. One of those things just loved by
Tories, who don't have a clue how production works.

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On Monday, 19 February 2018 14:14:38 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 16 February 2018 16:48:15 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 16/02/2018 13:25, whisky-dave wrote:

Like the £50 worth I brought for my brother to park but does that
really make him a resident ? It also doesn;t give him the right to
park outtside my place or even in the road. And ANYONE can use these
passes a resident a none resident even a Martian.

Its not a residents pass then is it?!
They aren't residents only parking spaces either so are totally
irrelevant to what was being discussed.

But none residetns can't buy them, the resident has to buy them, because
you have to put your home address otherwiase you can't buy them.

Tradesmen can usually buy a temporary permit for a resident's parking
space.

Yes but not everyone can be classed as a tradesman.

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On Monday, 19 February 2018 14:14:38 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 16 February 2018 16:48:15 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 16/02/2018 13:25, whisky-dave wrote:

Like the £50 worth I brought for my brother to park but does that
really make him a resident ? It also doesn;t give him the right to
park outtside my place or even in the road. And ANYONE can use these
passes a resident a none resident even a Martian.

Its not a residents pass then is it?!
They aren't residents only parking spaces either so are totally
irrelevant to what was being discussed.

But none residetns can't buy them, the resident has to buy them, because
you have to put your home address otherwiase you can't buy them.

Tradesmen can usually buy a temporary permit for a resident's parking
space.

Actually a Ra tradesman CAN NOT buy a temporary permit for a resident's parking
space, as residetns DO NOT have a dedicated parking space, you you get is the right to park localy in that specific area and if there isnlt a space then that's it you can't park there. My brother came over a couple of weeks ago and there were NO free parking spaces in my road so he had to park in an a joining road which is covered by my tickets. These permits DO NOT give you acess to a particualr spot.



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In article ,
pamela wrote:
Dave, in my book you're one of the good guys here, but I can't see why
you want to say common industry practises, like individual assessment
won't work. It does work and it has been working. I remember the
unions were very unhappy when it was introduced into certain sectors
(such as teaching) and they raised all sorts of objections like those
you mention but I believe it's now implemented there and works.

The idea of assessing each and every one of a large workforce and paying
them on an individual basis is the sort of thing I'd expect an HR
department to dream up to hype themselves up. But it's been the norm in
most places to increase the basic based on experience, etc.

In a small company - or when dealing with a few key personnel - it might
well be the norm.

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In article ,
pamela wrote:
On 11:19 19 Feb 2018, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
pamela wrote:
It is a unions job to do the very best for its members. There
are plenty who want worse conditions and pay for everyone.
Including you, it would seem. Except yourself, obviously.

There's nothing wrong at all in unions doing the best for their
members but it should not be carried out in a way that adversely
affects other people.

If a union negotiates a pay rise it could put up the cost of the
product. Therefore affecting other people.

Your definition is a nonsense.

That's exactly the sort of thing to avoid. Excess wage costs will
cause product prices to rise unnecessarily.

And who defines 'excess' wages? You?

Those who get the extra cash may not complain but all the customers
will. Why should I pay more for an item if the extra goes towards
generous pensions of the sort I can't afford and cushy wages.

Ah - right. Basically, you don't want anyone to be better off than you.

At least you've made that plain at last.

Think they tried a similar system in China some years ago. Didn't work.

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In article ,
pamela wrote:
The regulation of unions she introduced had very little effect

If that's true then all the union opposition against them was
unnecessary.

Because it means a lot of extra work for unpaid union branch officials.

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In article ,
pamela wrote:
On 00:51 19 Feb 2018, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
Hmm, I thought Our Dave was ****ing on the idea that external
applicants are a good idea, by characterising it as employing
"any old layabout". I was asking him why someone looking to have
a position filled would employ such.

I thought that was what pamela wanted? She has no interest in
choosing the best person for the job at all.


Opening jobs to the public allows the best person to step forward.

How do you decide who that best person is?

In overpaid jobs like tube driving, opening jobs to the public has the
additional benefit of allowing the public to get a slice of the
generous action.

Tell me something pamela. Would you give up a decent job to drive a tube
train just for the money?

Have you ever worked shift work? Very early starts. Very late finishes.
374 days a year working?

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In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Monday, 19 February 2018 14:14:38 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 16 February 2018 16:48:15 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 16/02/2018 13:25, whisky-dave wrote:

Like the £50 worth I brought for my brother to park but does
that really make him a resident ? It also doesn;t give him the
right to park outtside my place or even in the road. And ANYONE
can use these passes a resident a none resident even a Martian.

Its not a residents pass then is it?! They aren't residents only
parking spaces either so are totally irrelevant to what was being
discussed.

But none residetns can't buy them, the resident has to buy them,
because you have to put your home address otherwiase you can't buy
them.

Tradesmen can usually buy a temporary permit for a resident's parking
space.

Yes but not everyone can be classed as a tradesman.

Then they can't apply as a tradesman...

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In article ,
pamela wrote:
On 14:12 19 Feb 2018, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
dennis@home wrote:
Perhaps working harder might do the trick.


They already do that, its called piece work.

Rather out of fashion these days. One of those things just loved by
Tories, who don't have a clue how production works.


If you mean entrepreneurs, they usually have a very good clue how
production works.

True. If you're Dyson, you move production to the far east.
If Sugar, you make your money by talking about it on TV.
Branson by ripping off the NHS.

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Tim Streater wrote:
And if TfL wasn't subject to union bullying, they could (with the jobs
being open), reduce pay until the number of applicants is roughly equal
to the number of vacancies.

Feel very sorry for Brexteers. Everything they don't like is bullying.
Must have had very unhappy school days.

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In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
Dave thinks that being a manager is easy. Just sit behind a desk
smoking a cigar, and tell people what to do.

Good to see how up to date you are.

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In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
Tradesmen can usually buy a temporary permit for a resident's parking
space.

Actually a Ra tradesman CAN NOT buy a temporary permit for a resident's
parking space, as residetns DO NOT have a dedicated parking space,

Who said they did? But they can and do have them in private estates.

A tradesman's permit can allow the space outside the house being worked on
to be reserves for him. Think skips, etc.

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On Monday, 19 February 2018 16:20:29 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,


Opening jobs to the public allows the best person to step forward.

How do you decide who that best person is?

Interviews, tests, similar to most jobs the way it has all been done.


In overpaid jobs like tube driving, opening jobs to the public has the
additional benefit of allowing the public to get a slice of the
generous action.

Tell me something pamela. Would you give up a decent job to drive a tube
train just for the money?

I would think most people would, depending on what you mean by a decent job.


Have you ever worked shift work? Very early starts. Very late finishes.
374 days a year working?

Sounds like one of T i m's leap years.

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On Monday, 19 February 2018 16:20:29 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Monday, 19 February 2018 14:14:38 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 16 February 2018 16:48:15 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 16/02/2018 13:25, whisky-dave wrote:

Like the £50 worth I brought for my brother to park but does
that really make him a resident ? It also doesn;t give him the
right to park outtside my place or even in the road. And ANYONE
can use these passes a resident a none resident even a Martian.

Its not a residents pass then is it?! They aren't residents only
parking spaces either so are totally irrelevant to what was being
discussed.

But none residetns can't buy them, the resident has to buy them,
because you have to put your home address otherwiase you can't buy
them.

Tradesmen can usually buy a temporary permit for a resident's parking
space.

Yes but not everyone can be classed as a tradesman.

Then they can't apply as a tradesman...

But won't get it unbless they can specify who they are working for in that location.

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On Monday, 19 February 2018 16:20:30 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
Tradesmen can usually buy a temporary permit for a resident's parking
space.

Actually a Ra tradesman CAN NOT buy a temporary permit for a resident's
parking space, as residetns DO NOT have a dedicated parking space,

Who said they did? But they can and do have them in private estates.

If it's a private estate then it's up to however owns the parking spaces.



A tradesman's permit can allow the space outside the house being worked on
to be reserves for him. Think skips, etc.

You don;t have a legal right to reserve any space even one outside yuor home, my dad tried that years ago puttign out a wheelie bin so a trademan could deliver some paving slabs, but you DO NOT have the right to reserve a parking space for ANYONE else not even yourself.

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pamela wrote:

On 11:19 19 Feb 2018, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
pamela wrote:
It is a unions job to do the very best for its members. There
are plenty who want worse conditions and pay for everyone.
Including you, it would seem. Except yourself, obviously.

There's nothing wrong at all in unions doing the best for their
members but it should not be carried out in a way that adversely
affects other people.

If a union negotiates a pay rise it could put up the cost of the
product. Therefore affecting other people.

Your definition is a nonsense.

That's exactly the sort of thing to avoid. Excess wage costs will
cause product prices to rise unnecessarily.


What is an "excess" wage? One higher than you get, perhaps? Where is
the rule for deciding what a "correct" wage is?



Those who get the extra cash may not complain but all the customers
will. Why should I pay more for an item if the extra goes towards
generous pensions of the sort I can't afford and cushy wages.

Perhaps they're just worth more in pension than you are? Or, more
likely, you are just cowed by the bosses into accepting considerably
less than you deserve in pension. Why should others copy you because
you don't insist on what you are worth?


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In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
A tradesman's permit can allow the space outside the house being worked on
to be reserves for him. Think skips, etc.

You don;t have a legal right to reserve any space even one outside yuor
home, my dad tried that years ago puttign out a wheelie bin so a
trademan could deliver some paving slabs, but you DO NOT have the right
to reserve a parking space for ANYONE else not even yourself.

That's why you need a special permit for tradesmen, etc. From the council.
Who do have the rights.

Good to know your dad was as daft as yourself...

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In article ,
pamela wrote:
I have had annual individual assessments in all the companies I
worked for and they each had something like several thousand UK
employees. If I didn't have this then my personal contribution
wouldn't be rewarded and I may as well have gone back to the public
sector.

Are you saying you were better at your job than any of your thousands of
colleagues doing the same job? And did they agree?

And how do you know you were better paid than any of them?

I at one time worked for the BBC. There weren't thousands doing the same
job as me even there. So just what company did you work for?

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pamela wrote:

On 11:19 19 Feb 2018, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
pamela wrote:
It is a unions job to do the very best for its members. There
are plenty who want worse conditions and pay for everyone.
Including you, it would seem. Except yourself, obviously.

There's nothing wrong at all in unions doing the best for their
members but it should not be carried out in a way that adversely
affects other people.

If a union negotiates a pay rise it could put up the cost of the
product. Therefore affecting other people.

Your definition is a nonsense.

That's exactly the sort of thing to avoid. Excess wage costs will
cause product prices to rise unnecessarily.

What is an "excess" wage?

Clearly what footballers, the better actors and
CEOs of banks etc get paid is obscenely excessive.

Those who get the extra cash may not complain but all the customers
will. Why should I pay more for an item if the extra goes towards
generous pensions of the sort I can't afford and cushy wages.

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On 19/02/2018 16:59, whisky-dave wrote:
On Monday, 19 February 2018 16:20:30 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
Tradesmen can usually buy a temporary permit for a resident's parking
space.

Actually a Ra tradesman CAN NOT buy a temporary permit for a resident's
parking space, as residetns DO NOT have a dedicated parking space,

Who said they did? But they can and do have them in private estates.

If it's a private estate then it's up to however owns the parking spaces.



A tradesman's permit can allow the space outside the house being worked on
to be reserves for him. Think skips, etc.

You don;t have a legal right to reserve any space even one outside yuor home, my dad tried that years ago puttign out a wheelie bin so a trademan could deliver some paving slabs, but you DO NOT have the right to reserve a parking space for ANYONE else not even yourself.

We had someone park a car outside the door of our local church and then
go on holiday - completely messing up video and still photos of the
arrival of the bride and us coming out of the church and being driven
off - because there is no way to reserve the space.

SteveW

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In article ,
pamela wrote:
The state sector has few direct competitors, so it uses this
opportunity to overpay itself. However when individual jobs are
compared with the equvalent in the private sector then surveys show
state jobs are paid more.

Haven't you just said you left the public sector to go to a better paid
job?

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In article ,
pamela wrote:
Tell me something pamela. Would you give up a decent job to drive
a tube train just for the money?

Hundreds, if not thousands, of people want to apply but they are
prevented from applying.

Could I ask you where you got that figure from?

Do you also expect every single organisation in the UK to allow the public
to apply for any job in it?

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In article ,
pamela wrote:
Are you saying you were better at your job than any of your
thousands of colleagues doing the same job? And did they agree?

We could largely see for ourselves who in the department was doing a
good job and who wasn't. I could estimate how my performance
compared to my peers.

Ah. Right. So no need for anyone else to assess your performance. Just
tell the boss what you should be paid. And how much less your colleagues
should be paid too.

And how do you know you were better paid than any of them?

Some co-workers were probably earning more than me for doing a
similar job but that didn't bother me because I was happy with what
I got.

But not happy with what someone in a job you know nothing about gets paid?
Be it a tube driver or GP?

My pay had gone up in line with my efforts and if I wanted
to progress faster then I would work extra hard. If I didn't like
my pay and conditions then I moved elsewhere.

You only get a pay rise through working harder, over time. Which means you
start off shirking. Not sure I'd want to employ you.

I at one time worked for the BBC. There weren't thousands doing
the same job as me even there. So just what company did you work
for?

There were not several thousand in the UK doing the same job as me.
I was saying the companies each had several thousand UK employees
assessed the same way.

I simply don't believe you. The work required would be enormous. And that
costs come straight from profits.

Why do you find this so strange? Surely at the BBC you had an
annual appraisal and the assessment you were given would determine
your pay?

A simple pay scale based on age and experience, up to a limit. Something
like 5 years. A formula which applied to all. Think based on civil service
practice. If someone was doing badly, that increment could be withheld.

Absolutely nothing like your idea of assessing each individual's pay every
year.

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In article ,
pamela wrote:
I simply don't believe you. The work required would be enormous.
And that costs come straight from profits.

You're in denial but that is how it works. I am amazed you don't
know this. Have a look he

https://www.cipd.co.uk/knowledge/fun...ay/performance
-factsheet

"Performance-related pay (PRP) is a way of managing pay by
linking salary progression to an assessment of individual
performance, usually measured against pre-agreed objectives."

Just as I thought. HR inventing work for themselves.

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On 19/02/2018 23:52, pamela wrote:
On 23:30 19 Feb 2018, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
pamela wrote:
Are you saying you were better at your job than any of your
thousands of colleagues doing the same job? And did they agree?

We could largely see for ourselves who in the department was
doing a good job and who wasn't. I could estimate how my
performance compared to my peers.

Ah. Right. So no need for anyone else to assess your performance.
Just tell the boss what you should be paid. And how much less your
colleagues should be paid too.

That's not what you asked and it is not what I replied.

And how do you know you were better paid than any of them?

Some co-workers were probably earning more than me for doing a
similar job but that didn't bother me because I was happy with
what I got.

But not happy with what someone in a job you know nothing about
gets paid? Be it a tube driver or GP?

My pay had gone up in line with my efforts and if I wanted
to progress faster then I would work extra hard. If I didn't
like my pay and conditions then I moved elsewhere.

You only get a pay rise through working harder, over time. Which
means you start off shirking. Not sure I'd want to employ you.

It's performance related pay. It's nothing complicated.

I at one time worked for the BBC. There weren't thousands doing
the same job as me even there. So just what company did you
work for?

There were not several thousand in the UK doing the same job as
me. I was saying the companies each had several thousand UK
employees assessed the same way.

I simply don't believe you. The work required would be enormous.
And that costs come straight from profits.

You're in denial but that is how it works. I am amazed you don't
know this. Have a look he

https://www.cipd.co.uk/knowledge/fun...ay/performance
-factsheet

"Performance-related pay (PRP) is a way of managing pay by
linking salary progression to an assessment of individual
performance, usually measured against pre-agreed objectives."

Why do you find this so strange? Surely at the BBC you had an
annual appraisal and the assessment you were given would
determine your pay?

A simple pay scale based on age and experience, up to a limit.
Something like 5 years. A formula which applied to all. Think
based on civil service practice. If someone was doing badly, that
increment could be withheld.

Absolutely nothing like your idea of assessing each individual's
pay every year.

It doesn't sound like you have been in a merit based pay scheme.

Merit based schemes have been proven not to work.

They benefit the hard working ones who are going places irrespective of
bonuses, and disincentivise those who struggle and reduce their performance.

So overall an expensive useless exercise.

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On 19/02/18 13:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Very few cars have just one coil PACK any more.

"When the blind leads the blind, they both shall fall into the ditch"

Perhaps, Turnip, you need the definition of pack


Collins GEM English Dictionary
pack n. set of things sold together
(snipped so even you can understand it)

Several engines use multiple coils in the same casing.

I didnt write that.


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On 19/02/18 13:05, dennis@home wrote:
On 19/02/2018 07:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


This habit of yours = of picking some isolated factoid from a
particular case and implying that it is in fact the general case and
universal,

Funny that *I* posted the explanation of how and why it works while you
just posted a comment to try and score whatever points you think you are
getting.

No, the exact opposote


just to trayt and fain attention and win arguments, is as obnoxious as
wiping your arse with your bare nhands and licking them.

Please desist.

Why? don't you want explanations of why you were wrong posting?

I wasnt.
Why don't you put me back in your killfile and shut up.

Because you appeared on cam.misc

If you recall the question was whether or not modern cars had HT leads.

Some cars do and some do not, depending on whether the coil pack - a
term for a coil or coils plus some electronics - is remote from the
plugs or not. Hit cylinder heds withburied plugs are not oideal fpr
electronics.


That degenerated into more misinformation about 'lost spark' in order to
'prove' that my statement about swapping HT leads over was wrong. Then
more ignorant waffle about crankshaft sensors to pretend that you knew
what you were talking about.

Go back to readiong the Beano, It's almost within your intellectual range...




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