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Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7548156.html
Neither will UK Citizens either. Taking back control is a wonderfull idea isn't it? Just go easy on the chlorinated chicken fillets, the oncology wards have very large tills AB |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
On 07/02/2018 14:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
Just go easy on the chlorinated chicken fillets, the oncology wards have very large tills How much water gets injected into much of the UK meat we eat? They will be using chlorinated mains water and not some fancy expensive spring water. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
On Wed, 07 Feb 2018 18:03:44 GMT, pamela wrote:
snip Don't forget For the Brexiteers to 'forget' this sort of thing they would have to have considered it in the first place and the chances are they haven't. ;-( the probable requirement to get a trade deal with India in which the UK will accept significantly increased numbers of immigrants from India. No doubt they will be filling the gaps left by departing European workers in organisations like the NHS. Yup ... or we will be training up people currently on benefits pretty quickly! I don't know about you but I would much prefer to be seen by European medical staff, perhaps from Portugal or Germany, than by Indians whose training (as many GMC tribuals have found) can be inadequate by our standards. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/heal...ctors-from-Ind ia-more-likely-to-be-struck-off.html Interesting. Cheers, T i m |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
On 07/02/2018 14:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7548156.html That article doesn't reflect anything like your header - or indeed what the government has said: 'The NHS will never be part of a trade deal'. Quite why May is not ruling out US involvement in UK healthcare is probably because it's already he https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/08/us-firms-look-to-capitalise-as-nhs-becomes-increasingly-privatised -- Cheers, Rob |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
On 07/02/2018 14:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7548156.html Neither will UK Citizens either. Taking back control is a wonderfull idea isn't it? Just go easy on the chlorinated chicken fillets, the oncology wards have very large tills AB Except that the chicken is not chlorinated, is simply washed in chlorinated water. It is not a health risk. The problem is the reason for that washing - the chickens are raised in very poor, overcrowded conditions, leading to contamination that requires the disinfecting. It is the poor animal welfare rather than health risks that mean we should not import US chicken. SteveW |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
On 07/02/18 19:12, Steve Walker wrote:
On 07/02/2018 14:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7548156.html Neither will UK Citizens either. Taking back control is a wonderfull idea isn't it? Just go easy on the chlorinated chicken fillets, the oncology wards have very large tills AB Except that the chicken is not chlorinated, is simply washed in chlorinated water. It is not a health risk. The problem is the reason for that washing - the chickens are raised in very poor, overcrowded conditions, leading to contamination that requires the disinfecting. It is the poor animal welfare rather than health risks that mean we should not import US chicken. Bless! In the days post war when EVERYONE had chickens scratching round their back gardens, eating worms and actually tasting of something, we ALL got salmonella infections # Battery chicken may taste of **** all, but it is relatively sterile.. SteveW -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as foolish, and by the rulers as useful. (Seneca the Younger, 65 AD) |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
On Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:45:13 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/02/18 19:12, Steve Walker wrote: On 07/02/2018 14:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7548156.html Neither will UK Citizens either. Taking back control is a wonderfull idea isn't it? Just go easy on the chlorinated chicken fillets, the oncology wards have very large tills AB Except that the chicken is not chlorinated, is simply washed in chlorinated water. It is not a health risk. The problem is the reason for that washing - the chickens are raised in very poor, overcrowded conditions, leading to contamination that requires the disinfecting. It is the poor animal welfare rather than health risks that mean we should not import US chicken. Bless! In the days post war when EVERYONE had chickens scratching round their back gardens, eating worms and actually tasting of something, we ALL got salmonella infections # Battery chicken may taste of **** all, but it is relatively sterile.. I thought it suffered a high rate of antibiotic resistant infections due to (ab)use of antibiotics NT |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
On 07/02/18 19:56, alan_m wrote:
On 07/02/2018 19:48, wrote: On Wednesday, 7 February 2018 19:45:13 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 07/02/18 19:12, Steve Walker wrote: On 07/02/2018 14:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7548156.html Neither will UK Citizens either. Taking back control is a wonderfull idea isn't it? Just go easy on the chlorinated chicken fillets, the oncology wards have very large tills AB Except that the chicken is not chlorinated, is simply washed in chlorinated water. It is not a health risk. The problem is the reason for that washing - the chickens are raised in very poor, overcrowded conditions, leading to contamination that requires the disinfecting. It is the poor animal welfare rather than health risks that mean we should not import US chicken. Bless! In the days post war when EVERYONE had chickens scratching round their back gardens, eating worms and actually tasting of something, we ALL got salmonella infections # Battery chicken may taste of **** all, but it is relatively sterile.. I thought it suffered a high rate of antibiotic resistant infections due to (ab)use of antibiotics And chickens often taste of something - the fish meal that they've been eating. Yes. If you ever visit Denmark, don't bother eating their eggs. -- The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about. Anon. |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
On 07/02/2018 20:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/02/18 19:56, alan_m wrote: And chickens often taste of something - the fish meal that they've been eating. Yes. If you ever visit Denmark, don't bother eating their eggs. It was Danish bacon that was once advertised as sizzling in the pan as a mark of quality rather than the truth that the sizzling was due to the excessive amount of water added to the meat. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
"pamela" wrote in message ... On 14:38 7 Feb 2018, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-may-donald-tr ump-nhs-us-trade-deal-brexit-torture-a7548156.html Neither will UK Citizens either. Taking back control is a wonderfull idea isn't it? Just go easy on the chlorinated chicken fillets, the oncology wards have very large tills Don't forget the probable requirement to get a trade deal with India no there isn't in which the UK will accept significantly increased numbers of immigrants from India. because we wont be doing that, because as well as insisting on that the Indians point blank refuse to reduce tariffs on the very class of goods that we actually want to increase exports to them - alcoholic beverages tim |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
"pamela" wrote in message ... On 15:34 7 Feb 2018, alan_m wrote: On 07/02/2018 14:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: Just go easy on the chlorinated chicken fillets, the oncology wards have very large tills How much water gets injected into much of the UK meat we eat? They will be using chlorinated mains water and not some fancy expensive spring water. Not only will we be getting chlorinated chicken but also higher levels of hormones and antibiotics in meat the taste of hormone treated beef in the US beats by a country mile the taste of beef in the UK and that's from quality restaurants (in the UK) I look forward to the day that it can be served here tim |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
"RJH" wrote in message ... On 07/02/2018 14:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7548156.html That article doesn't reflect anything like your header - or indeed what the government has said: 'The NHS will never be part of a trade deal'. Quite why May is not ruling out US involvement in UK healthcare is probably because it's already he https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/08/us-firms-look-to-capitalise-as-nhs-becomes-increasingly-privatised Yep I fail to see any reason why, if were are going to have an NHS that buys in services from private concerns, that these concern shouldn't be American (based or owned). If they do an acceptable job at a lower price, what's the problem. This headline appears to be an extrapolation from the real (but highly unlikely) fear that the proposed clause in TTIP allowing US firms to sue EU governments if they pass laws that restrict their right to compete would enable US firms to argue that the existence of a European style privatised health system was in breach of that rule. This fear is easily overcome by explicitly excluding Health Care from that clause (if we have to have it at all). It would be a nonsense for the US to suggest that Europe has to magic up an "insurance based" health care system overnight to comply with a new trade deal. Whether this false interpretation has been fed to the newspapers by the Labour party or whether they invented it themselves, I have no idea. tim |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 21:54:34 -0000, "tim..."
wrote: "pamela" wrote in message ... On 15:34 7 Feb 2018, alan_m wrote: On 07/02/2018 14:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: Just go easy on the chlorinated chicken fillets, the oncology wards have very large tills How much water gets injected into much of the UK meat we eat? They will be using chlorinated mains water and not some fancy expensive spring water. Not only will we be getting chlorinated chicken but also higher levels of hormones and antibiotics in meat the taste of hormone treated beef in the US beats by a country mile the taste of beef in the UK and that's from quality restaurants (in the UK) I look forward to the day that it can be served here tim Reminds me of my time on a training course in Nantwich many years back. We had one "trainee" who used to swear by Capstan Full Strength. Great cigarettes, "never did me any harm". We didn't need an alarm call in the mornings. The coughing was more than adequate for the entire establishment. AB |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
On Wed, 07 Feb 2018 22:28:47 +0000, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp
wrote: snip Reminds me of my time on a training course in Nantwich many years back. snip It wasn't BT by any chance was it as that name rings a bell with me (I did a PCM course up there with them). Cheers, T i m p.s. It was handy as I had a girlfriend in Crewe. ;-) |
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On Wed, 07 Feb 2018 22:35:21 +0000, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 07 Feb 2018 22:28:47 +0000, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: snip Reminds me of my time on a training course in Nantwich many years back. snip It wasn't BT by any chance was it as that name rings a bell with me (I did a PCM course up there with them). Nantwich? No. I wasn't aware of a BT training place there. Swynford was the only training establishment that I was aware of, although some of the exchange buildings in the larger towns would have had the capability of laying on classes. Cheers, T i m p.s. It was handy as I had a girlfriend in Crewe. ;-) You must have had some long training courses, or be very persuasive :-) AB |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
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Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 21:54:34 -0000, "tim..." wrote: "pamela" wrote in message ... On 15:34 7 Feb 2018, alan_m wrote: On 07/02/2018 14:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: Just go easy on the chlorinated chicken fillets, the oncology wards have very large tills How much water gets injected into much of the UK meat we eat? They will be using chlorinated mains water and not some fancy expensive spring water. Not only will we be getting chlorinated chicken but also higher levels of hormones and antibiotics in meat the taste of hormone treated beef in the US beats by a country mile the taste of beef in the UK and that's from quality restaurants (in the UK) I look forward to the day that it can be served here tim Reminds me of my time on a training course in Nantwich many years back. We had one "trainee" who used to swear by Capstan Full Strength. Great cigarettes, "never did me any harm". We didn't need an alarm call in the mornings. The coughing was more than adequate for the entire establishment. "Smoke Bollard - a Man's cigarette" -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
On Wed, 07 Feb 2018 22:53:20 +0000, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp
wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2018 22:35:21 +0000, T i m wrote: On Wed, 07 Feb 2018 22:28:47 +0000, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: snip Reminds me of my time on a training course in Nantwich many years back. snip It wasn't BT by any chance was it as that name rings a bell with me (I did a PCM course up there with them). Nantwich? No. I wasn't aware of a BT training place there. Swynford was the only training establishment that I was aware of, although some of the exchange buildings in the larger towns would have had the capability of laying on classes. After hitting send I remembered it was 'Stone'. ;-) p.s. It was handy as I had a girlfriend in Crewe. ;-) You must have had some long training courses, or be very persuasive :-) Only a week. We actually met on holiday in Norfolk (she was with her family and me with mine, as youths) and met up properly some time later when I was sent to Stone with BT. ;-) She nearly moved in here with me (Nth London) but her Dad was taken ill so she became his carer. ;-( Cheers, T i m |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
On 07/02/2018 23:21, pamela wrote:
the taste of hormone treated beef in the US beats by a country mile the taste of beef in the UK Isn't the lack of taste more to do with being chilled to death immediately after slaughter rather than letting it mature at a higher temperature? -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
On Wed, 07 Feb 2018 23:21:08 GMT, pamela wrote:
On 21:54 7 Feb 2018, tim... wrote: "pamela" wrote in message ... On 15:34 7 Feb 2018, alan_m wrote: On 07/02/2018 14:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: Just go easy on the chlorinated chicken fillets, the oncology wards have very large tills How much water gets injected into much of the UK meat we eat? They will be using chlorinated mains water and not some fancy expensive spring water. Not only will we be getting chlorinated chicken but also higher levels of hormones and antibiotics in meat the taste of hormone treated beef in the US beats by a country mile the taste of beef in the UK and that's from quality restaurants (in the UK) I look forward to the day that it can be served here tim I never knew hormones could be so tasty! It makes grovelling around in the undergrowth looking for something natural and edible sound Heavenly. Cows have evolved without trips to the chemist for hormone treatment. Up to the point where man thought he could improve and cheapen his production methods by using feed totally unsuitable for ruminants they didn't have BSE either. Until McDonalds guarantee their products wont lead to a risk of me becoming an American president, I'm not touching American processed food. I think all the mad cow proteins somehow ended up in Washington :-( AB |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
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The Natural Philosopher wrote: In the days post war when EVERYONE had chickens scratching round their back gardens, eating worms and actually tasting of something, we ALL got salmonella infections Really? Chickens were kept for eggs. Not to eat. Those that were eaten needed lots of cooking to make tender. Killing any bugs nicely. -- *It's not hard to meet expenses... they're everywhere. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
Taking back control is a wonderful idea isn't it? And with that control, you get to chose what government you want. If you don't want a government that does X, Y, Z, then don't ****ing vote for them! Oh no! The Toreez will do this thing I don't like!!! So don't vote for them. Gee. Is democracy such a hard thing for people in this country to grasp? The whole thrust of the Remain campaign actually was "we are so thick, so stupid, we can't be allowed to chose what sort of government to vote for, we must have the EU telling us what to do." No wonder they lost. |
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Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
On 07/02/18 23:31, alan_m wrote:
On 07/02/2018 23:21, pamela wrote: the taste of hormone treated beef in the US beats by a country mile the taste of beef in the UK Isn't the lack of taste more to do with being chilled to death immediately after slaughter rather than letting it mature at a higher temperature? I would say so. Proper 'butchers' beef is way better than supermarket ****., -- "If you dont read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the news paper, you are mis-informed." Mark Twain |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
On Wednesday, 7 February 2018 14:38:46 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7548156.html Neither will UK Citizens either. Taking back control is a wonderfull idea isn't it? Just go easy on the chlorinated chicken fillets, the oncology wards have very large tills So what? You already drink"chlorinated water". And swim in it if you go to the public swimming pool |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
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wrote: The whole thrust of the Remain campaign actually was "we are so thick, so stupid, we can't be allowed to chose what sort of government to vote for, we must have the EU telling us what to do." No wonder they lost. No wonder the EU can do some things we don't like when we elect ******s like Farage to its parliament. -- *Some days you're the dog, some days the hydrant. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 08/02/2018 10:51, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , wrote: The whole thrust of the Remain campaign actually was "we are so thick, so stupid, we can't be allowed to chose what sort of government to vote for, we must have the EU telling us what to do." No wonder they lost. No wonder the EU can do some things we don't like when we elect ******s like Farage to its parliament. I'll bet even the majority of those who voted for remain in the referendum didn't bother to vote for any MEP. (UK turnout 36%). -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 11:53:08 +0000, alan_m
wrote: On 08/02/2018 10:51, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , wrote: The whole thrust of the Remain campaign actually was "we are so thick, so stupid, we can't be allowed to chose what sort of government to vote for, we must have the EU telling us what to do." No wonder they lost. No wonder the EU can do some things we don't like when we elect ******s like Farage to its parliament. I'll bet even the majority of those who voted for remain in the referendum didn't bother to vote for any MEP. (UK turnout 36%). Reinforcing my very point re peoples apathy regarding such abstract things. They may have a preference on the local elections because it's local .... and the people they are voting for are potentially accessible. The same applies at arms length for the national elections but it's getting a bit abstract by the time it get's to the EU (or your local Police Commissioner etc). This supports my consideration that few put much effort into the effort the EU vote, especially those who voted to leave (to change from the status quo) who did so completely blindly (as we *still* don't know exactly what the leave deal will be, let alone the predicted impact on the UK population). Cheers, T i m |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 00:33:57 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote: On Wednesday, 7 February 2018 14:38:46 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7548156.html Neither will UK Citizens either. Taking back control is a wonderfull idea isn't it? Just go easy on the chlorinated chicken fillets, the oncology wards have very large tills So what? You already drink"chlorinated water". And swim in it if you go to the public swimming pool Well faced with your profound logic, I do wonder what all the fuss is about :-) If you swam in the stuff they washed chicken in, you wouldn't need oncology. Ozone is increasingly the disinfectant used in water treatment works, particularly where traces of organics are found. AB |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
On Wednesday, 7 February 2018 23:36:29 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
Until McDonalds guarantee their products wont lead to a risk of me becoming an American president, I'm not touching American processed food. I think all the mad cow proteins somehow ended up in Washington :-( AB There was a TV prog. where they interviewd americans in the UK and ask them to try McDs fries from the UK which I differtn here in the UK to those in the USA and apparently they taste quite differnt (don't ask me what as I haven't eaten then for 2 decades) The american students agreed that the USA fries tasted much better, then they were told why and they were given a list of added ingriedients (mostly chemical) added to US fries the students the pulled a face and said they wouldn't be eating them again. |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
"alan_m" wrote in message ... On 07/02/2018 23:21, pamela wrote: the taste of hormone treated beef in the US beats by a country mile the taste of beef in the UK Isn't the lack of taste more to do with being chilled to death immediately after slaughter rather than letting it mature at a higher temperature? no idea tim |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... On 07/02/18 23:31, alan_m wrote: On 07/02/2018 23:21, pamela wrote: the taste of hormone treated beef in the US beats by a country mile the taste of beef in the UK Isn't the lack of taste more to do with being chilled to death immediately after slaughter rather than letting it mature at a higher temperature? I would say so. Proper 'butchers' beef is way better than supermarket ****., most "good" restaurants do source their meat from a proper butcher tim |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
"pamela" wrote in message ... On 21:52 7 Feb 2018, tim... wrote: "pamela" wrote in message ... On 14:38 7 Feb 2018, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s/theresa-may- donald- trump-nhs-us-trade-deal-brexit-torture-a7548156.html Neither will UK Citizens either. Taking back control is a wonderfull idea isn't it? Just go easy on the chlorinated chicken fillets, the oncology wards have very large tills Don't forget the probable requirement to get a trade deal with India no there isn't Have you seen this news? Seems India is keen on it. "UK government told to accept high immigration or forget trade deal with India after Brexit" yes of course they are keen on continuing to make that demand why would you/anyone think otherwise It's the same category as the UK "wanting our cake and eating it". tim |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , wrote: The whole thrust of the Remain campaign actually was "we are so thick, so stupid, we can't be allowed to chose what sort of government to vote for, we must have the EU telling us what to do." No wonder they lost. No wonder the EU can do some things we don't like when we elect ******s like Farage to its parliament. that would be relevant if it was the EU Parliament that made the laws the EU force upon us. as they don't, it isn't tim |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 21:54:34 -0000, "tim..."
wrote: "pamela" wrote in message ... On 15:34 7 Feb 2018, alan_m wrote: On 07/02/2018 14:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: Just go easy on the chlorinated chicken fillets, the oncology wards have very large tills How much water gets injected into much of the UK meat we eat? They will be using chlorinated mains water and not some fancy expensive spring water. Not only will we be getting chlorinated chicken but also higher levels of hormones and antibiotics in meat the taste of hormone treated beef in the US beats by a country mile the taste of beef in the UK BS. and that's from quality restaurants (in the UK) I look forward to the day that it can be served here You can eat it all then. I want my meat unadulerated by dangerous chemicals. -- insert witty sig here |
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On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 15:08:07 -0000, "tim..."
wrote: "pamela" wrote in message ... On 21:52 7 Feb 2018, tim... wrote: "pamela" wrote in message ... On 14:38 7 Feb 2018, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s/theresa-may- donald- trump-nhs-us-trade-deal-brexit-torture-a7548156.html Neither will UK Citizens either. Taking back control is a wonderfull idea isn't it? Just go easy on the chlorinated chicken fillets, the oncology wards have very large tills Don't forget the probable requirement to get a trade deal with India no there isn't Have you seen this news? Seems India is keen on it. "UK government told to accept high immigration or forget trade deal with India after Brexit" yes of course they are keen on continuing to make that demand why would you/anyone think otherwise It's the same category as the UK "wanting our cake and eating it". That's the Brexiters Mantra. -- insert witty sig here |
Europeans on the minimum wage, no NHS access after Brexit
On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 22:06:17 -0000, "tim..."
wrote: "RJH" wrote in message ... On 07/02/2018 14:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7548156.html That article doesn't reflect anything like your header - or indeed what the government has said: 'The NHS will never be part of a trade deal'. Quite why May is not ruling out US involvement in UK healthcare is probably because it's already he https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/08/us-firms-look-to-capitalise-as-nhs-becomes-increasingly-privatised Yep I fail to see any reason why, if were are going to have an NHS that buys in services from private concerns, that these concern shouldn't be American (based or owned). If they do an acceptable job at a lower price, what's the problem. Because that wouldn't happen. Private companies, including those from the USA want to make a profit and that doesn't equate to the best service. This headline appears to be an extrapolation from the real (but highly unlikely) fear that the proposed clause in TTIP allowing US firms to sue EU governments if they pass laws that restrict their right to compete would enable US firms to argue that the existence of a European style privatised health system was in breach of that rule. You think this is unlikely - I'm glad you are so optimistic. This fear is easily overcome by explicitly excluding Health Care from that clause (if we have to have it at all). It would be a nonsense for the US to suggest that Europe has to magic up an "insurance based" health care system overnight to comply with a new trade deal. But will this actually happen? Whether this false interpretation has been fed to the newspapers by the Labour party or whether they invented it themselves, I have no idea. I'm sure the Daily Express will have something to say on this. -- insert witty sig here |
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"Mark" wrote in message ... On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 15:08:07 -0000, "tim..." wrote: "pamela" wrote in message ... On 21:52 7 Feb 2018, tim... wrote: "pamela" wrote in message ... On 14:38 7 Feb 2018, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s/theresa-may- donald- trump-nhs-us-trade-deal-brexit-torture-a7548156.html Neither will UK Citizens either. Taking back control is a wonderfull idea isn't it? Just go easy on the chlorinated chicken fillets, the oncology wards have very large tills Don't forget the probable requirement to get a trade deal with India no there isn't Have you seen this news? Seems India is keen on it. "UK government told to accept high immigration or forget trade deal with India after Brexit" yes of course they are keen on continuing to make that demand why would you/anyone think otherwise It's the same category as the UK "wanting our cake and eating it". That's the Brexiters Mantra. yes and? tim |
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tim... wrote: No wonder the EU can do some things we don't like when we elect ******s like Farage to its parliament. that would be relevant if it was the EU Parliament that made the laws the EU force upon us. as they don't, it isn't Exactly the same as in the UK. Unless you assume parliament votes on every single regulation. However the question is if the EU parliament could overturn an EU reg if enough MEPs wanted to. Ie, exactly the same as in the UK. -- *I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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