On 22/01/2018 10:23, dennis@home wrote:
On 22/01/2018 07:10, wrote:


I don't treat them as a source at all. Last time I went there they
were selling leads for north of £20 a piece. I can pay a tenth of
that elsewhere.

If they are HDMI then they are £1 in poundland.

Yes but the HDMI lead I bought from Poundland led to strange things
happening because the internal wires had no screening or twisting. I
eventually went crestfallen to pay Maplin's ransome. I minimised this by
being adamant with the salesman I didn't need gold plating.
--
Dave W

Dave W wrote:

On 22/01/2018 10:23, dennis@home wrote:
On 22/01/2018 07:10, wrote:


I don't treat them as a source at all. Last time I went there they
were selling leads for north of £20 a piece. I can pay a tenth of
that elsewhere.

If they are HDMI then they are £1 in poundland.

Yes but the HDMI lead I bought from Poundland led to strange things
happening because the internal wires had no screening or twisting. I
eventually went crestfallen to pay Maplin's ransome. I minimised this by
being adamant with the salesman I didn't need gold plating.

Actually (decent) gold plating is quite a good idea for signal integrity
medium/long term. But *only* if the mating socket is gold plated.
Which most of them aren't.

--

Roger Hayter

On Thursday, 25 January 2018 21:20:00 UTC, Roger Hayter wrote:
Dave W wrote:
On 22/01/2018 10:23, dennis@home wrote:
On 22/01/2018 07:10, tabbypurr wrote:


I don't treat them as a source at all. Last time I went there they
were selling leads for north of �20 a piece. I can pay a tenth of
that elsewhere.

If they are HDMI then they are �1 in poundland.

Yes but the HDMI lead I bought from Poundland led to strange things
happening because the internal wires had no screening or twisting. I
eventually went crestfallen to pay Maplin's ransome. I minimised this by
being adamant with the salesman I didn't need gold plating.

Actually (decent) gold plating is quite a good idea for signal integrity
medium/long term. But *only* if the mating socket is gold plated.
Which most of them aren't.

it's entirely useless unless you're using the lead in a damp location


NT

In article ,
wrote:
Actually (decent) gold plating is quite a good idea for signal
integrity medium/long term. But *only* if the mating socket is gold
plated. Which most of them aren't.

it's entirely useless unless you're using the lead in a damp location

I've had problems with oxide on those rather horrid DIN connectors indoors
- in a house which is never damp.

--
*If work is so terrific, how come they have to pay you to do it?

Dave Plowman London SW
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On Friday, 26 January 2018 10:48:28 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

Actually (decent) gold plating is quite a good idea for signal
integrity medium/long term. But *only* if the mating socket is gold
plated. Which most of them aren't.

it's entirely useless unless you're using the lead in a damp location

I've had problems with oxide on those rather horrid DIN connectors indoors
- in a house which is never damp.

Yes, like 3.5mm jacks, 5 pin DINs are only fit for limited use. Gold doesn't really solve that though. If you use something suitable like phonos or 1/4" jacks there's no real upside to gold unless the environment is corrosive.


NT

In article ,
wrote:
I've had problems with oxide on those rather horrid DIN connectors
indoors - in a house which is never damp.

Yes, like 3.5mm jacks, 5 pin DINs are only fit for limited use. Gold
doesn't really solve that though. If you use something suitable like
phonos or 1/4" jacks there's no real upside to gold unless the
environment is corrosive.

Tuchel do a connector with the same pin size and spacing as DIN - but more
usually found on pro gear. And that has a better plating to the contacts
and seems to be pretty reliable.

I dunno what they use on the ordinary cheap DIN connectors - but I've seen
several heavily corroded. Not something you seem to find often on other
types of connector.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 26/01/2018 11:40, wrote:

Yes, like 3.5mm jacks, 5 pin DINs are only fit for limited use. Gold doesn't really solve that though. If you use something suitable like phonos or 1/4" jacks there's no real upside to gold unless the environment is corrosive.


Unless the box is hermetically sealed then a corrosive atmosphere that
affects the plugs is likely to kill the internal electronic components.


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On 26/01/2018 10:10, wrote:
On Thursday, 25 January 2018 21:20:00 UTC, Roger Hayter wrote:
Dave W wrote:
On 22/01/2018 10:23, dennis@home wrote:
On 22/01/2018 07:10, tabbypurr wrote:


I don't treat them as a source at all. Last time I went there they
were selling leads for north of �20 a piece. I can pay a tenth of
that elsewhere.

If they are HDMI then they are �1 in poundland.

Yes but the HDMI lead I bought from Poundland led to strange things
happening because the internal wires had no screening or twisting. I
eventually went crestfallen to pay Maplin's ransome. I minimised this by
being adamant with the salesman I didn't need gold plating.

Actually (decent) gold plating is quite a good idea for signal integrity
medium/long term. But *only* if the mating socket is gold plated.
Which most of them aren't.

it's entirely useless unless you're using the lead in a damp location

No, gold connectors avoid tarnishing where others would, even in quite
benign conditions and that is useful with low level signals. Much of
industry only purchases industrial relays with gold contacts for control
systems (even inside indoor control panels) - silver are fine for higher
voltages and currents.

SteveW

On Friday, 26 January 2018 20:55:55 UTC, Steve Walker wrote:
On 26/01/2018 10:10, tabbypurr wrote:
On Thursday, 25 January 2018 21:20:00 UTC, Roger Hayter wrote:
Dave W wrote:
On 22/01/2018 10:23, dennis@home wrote:
On 22/01/2018 07:10, tabbypurr wrote:


I don't treat them as a source at all. Last time I went there they
were selling leads for north of �20 a piece. I can pay a tenth of
that elsewhere.

If they are HDMI then they are �1 in poundland.

Yes but the HDMI lead I bought from Poundland led to strange things
happening because the internal wires had no screening or twisting. I
eventually went crestfallen to pay Maplin's ransome. I minimised this by
being adamant with the salesman I didn't need gold plating.

Actually (decent) gold plating is quite a good idea for signal integrity
medium/long term. But *only* if the mating socket is gold plated.
Which most of them aren't.

it's entirely useless unless you're using the lead in a damp location

No, gold connectors avoid tarnishing where others would, even in quite
benign conditions and that is useful with low level signals.

it's only useful if your connectors have an otherwise inadequate mating surface area.


Much of
industry only purchases industrial relays with gold contacts for control
systems (even inside indoor control panels) - silver are fine for higher
voltages and currents.

SteveW

a very different situation to signal connectors


NT

On 25/01/2018 21:19, Roger Hayter wrote:
Dave W wrote:

On 22/01/2018 10:23, dennis@home wrote:
On 22/01/2018 07:10, wrote:


I don't treat them as a source at all. Last time I went there they
were selling leads for north of £20 a piece. I can pay a tenth of
that elsewhere.

If they are HDMI then they are £1 in poundland.

Yes but the HDMI lead I bought from Poundland led to strange things
happening because the internal wires had no screening or twisting. I
eventually went crestfallen to pay Maplin's ransome. I minimised this by
being adamant with the salesman I didn't need gold plating.

Actually (decent) gold plating is quite a good idea for signal integrity
medium/long term. But *only* if the mating socket is gold plated.
Which most of them aren't.

Most gold plating is a very thin layer, where the metal below has a
habit of migrating through the gold and then leading to an oxide layer.
Better than nothing though.

On Friday, 26 January 2018 11:01:27 UTC, Fredxx wrote:
On 25/01/2018 21:19, Roger Hayter wrote:
Dave W wrote:

On 22/01/2018 10:23, dennis@home wrote:
On 22/01/2018 07:10, wrote:


I don't treat them as a source at all. Last time I went there they
were selling leads for north of £20 a piece. I can pay a tenth of
that elsewhere.

If they are HDMI then they are £1 in poundland.

Yes but the HDMI lead I bought from Poundland led to strange things
happening because the internal wires had no screening or twisting. I
eventually went crestfallen to pay Maplin's ransome. I minimised this by
being adamant with the salesman I didn't need gold plating.

Actually (decent) gold plating is quite a good idea for signal integrity
medium/long term. But *only* if the mating socket is gold plated.
Which most of them aren't.

Most gold plating is a very thin layer,

Yes it's amazing how cheap gold foil can be having brought some gold foil that I'm trying to stick to an electroscope !!!!

On Friday, 26 January 2018 11:59:56 UTC, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 26 January 2018 11:01:27 UTC, Fredxx wrote:
On 25/01/2018 21:19, Roger Hayter wrote:
Dave W wrote:
On 22/01/2018 10:23, dennis@home wrote:
On 22/01/2018 07:10, tabbypurr wrote:


I don't treat them as a source at all. Last time I went there they
were selling leads for north of £20 a piece. I can pay a tenth of
that elsewhere.

If they are HDMI then they are £1 in poundland.

Yes but the HDMI lead I bought from Poundland led to strange things
happening because the internal wires had no screening or twisting. I
eventually went crestfallen to pay Maplin's ransome. I minimised this by
being adamant with the salesman I didn't need gold plating.

Actually (decent) gold plating is quite a good idea for signal integrity
medium/long term. But *only* if the mating socket is gold plated.
Which most of them aren't.

Most gold plating is a very thin layer,

Yes it's amazing how cheap gold foil can be having brought some gold foil that I'm trying to stick to an electroscope !!!!

electroplating is many times thinner


NT

On Friday, 26 January 2018 14:19:12 UTC, wrote:
On Friday, 26 January 2018 11:59:56 UTC, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 26 January 2018 11:01:27 UTC, Fredxx wrote:
On 25/01/2018 21:19, Roger Hayter wrote:
Dave W wrote:
On 22/01/2018 10:23, dennis@home wrote:
On 22/01/2018 07:10, tabbypurr wrote:


I don't treat them as a source at all. Last time I went there they
were selling leads for north of £20 a piece. I can pay a tenth of
that elsewhere.

If they are HDMI then they are £1 in poundland.

Yes but the HDMI lead I bought from Poundland led to strange things
happening because the internal wires had no screening or twisting. I
eventually went crestfallen to pay Maplin's ransome. I minimised this by
being adamant with the salesman I didn't need gold plating.

Actually (decent) gold plating is quite a good idea for signal integrity
medium/long term. But *only* if the mating socket is gold plated.
Which most of them aren't.

Most gold plating is a very thin layer,

Yes it's amazing how cheap gold foil can be having brought some gold foil that I'm trying to stick to an electroscope !!!!

electroplating is many times thinner

Yes so should be even cheaper, as gold is used to eliminate tarnishing of the connector a very thin layer is easily scratched so may not be much use long term. So a good quality lead should have a reasonable thick gold layer but I;ve no idea how much extar such a lead would cost but I wouldn't have thought more than a couple of quid worth of gold.

On Thursday, 25 January 2018 20:48:12 UTC, Dave W wrote:
On 22/01/2018 10:23, dennis@home wrote:
On 22/01/2018 07:10, wrote:


I don't treat them as a source at all. Last time I went there they
were selling leads for north of £20 a piece. I can pay a tenth of
that elsewhere.

If they are HDMI then they are £1 in poundland.

Yes but the HDMI lead I bought from Poundland led to strange things
happening because the internal wires had no screening or twisting. I
eventually went crestfallen to pay Maplin's ransome. I minimised this by
being adamant with the salesman

you starting singing prince charming ;-/

Don't you ever, don;t you ever, try to sell me a gold plated connector.....


Dave W