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I see Virgin Trains willow longer stock Daily Mail as they seem to be
inciting hatred of Muslims and other minority groups by saying they are an xxx when when they report on other crime they do not say a white christian etc. Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! |
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Brian Gaff wrote: I see Virgin Trains willow longer stock Daily Mail as they seem to be inciting hatred of Muslims and other minority groups by saying they are an xxx when when they report on other crime they do not say a white christian etc. Sounds more like they are simply winding up Mail readers, so to be complimented for that. After all, is what the Mail sets out to do too. It's certainly not going to cost them since they sell so few. -- *Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular?* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Brian Gaff wrote: I see Virgin Trains willow longer stock Daily Mail as they seem to be inciting hatred of Muslims and other minority groups by saying they are an xxx when when they report on other crime they do not say a white christian etc. Well they're not going to know whether a given white person is a Christian or not. Are they? They are not going to know if the 'Muslim' is an agnostic or atheist either. It won't stop them calling him or her a Muslim. -- Roger Hayter |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Brian Gaff wrote: I see Virgin Trains willow longer stock Daily Mail as they seem to be inciting hatred of Muslims and other minority groups by saying they are an xxx when when they report on other crime they do not say a white christian etc. Sounds more like they are simply winding up Mail readers, so to be complimented for that. After all, is what the Mail sets out to do too. Someone elsewhere said it might have been because the Mail had a thing about rail fare rises recently. But that wasn't something I personally saw. It's certainly not going to cost them since they sell so few. |
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I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person
shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. I've no idea what a Christian might shout (never being much of a God-botherer, myself), but maybe there is an equivalent phrase that could be employed? Brian Gaff wrote: So how do they identify a Muslim. I have lots of friends who are of that faith and they don't all have long beards or if female cover their faces either, However they do tend to suggest skin colour as well. I do sometimes wonder how the press get away with such double standards really, if you or I went around like that in normal life we would soon be brought to book by somebody. Anyway, nuff said. Brian |
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On 10/01/2018 11:59, Brian Gaff wrote:
I see Virgin Trains willow longer stock Daily Mail as they seem to be inciting hatred of Muslims and other minority groups by saying they are an xxx when when they report on other crime they do not say a white christian etc. Brian The real reason is that Branson is a Remoaner, and the DM is in favour of Brexit. |
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Andrew wrote: On 10/01/2018 11:59, Brian Gaff wrote: I see Virgin Trains willow longer stock Daily Mail as they seem to be inciting hatred of Muslims and other minority groups by saying they are an xxx when when they report on other crime they do not say a white christian etc. Brian The real reason is that Branson is a Remoaner, and the DM is in favour of Brexit. The battle of the tax exiles, then? -- *Men are from Earth, women are from Earth. Deal with it. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:54:01 UTC, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. I've no idea what a Christian might shout . Glory to God, but why is it that some believe that a person usually a women having an orgasm will shout out something about God..... and why is it that in child birth some women will swear when they have never sworn before ? (well yes I know the alledged reason) When some go into battle they may shout. Today is a good day to die ... Worf klingon, but brought up by humans Victory is Life ... The Jem'Hadar Of course I've no idea what those in spitfires might have said, I guess some may have prayed. (never being much of a God-botherer, myself), but maybe there is an equivalent phrase that could be employed? Probbley if they were all like minded, football suyporters do a similar thing when going into battle or for support. |
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whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:54:01 UTC, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. I've no idea what a Christian might shout . Glory to God, but why is it that some believe that a person usually a women having an orgasm will shout out something about God..... I've known some go very quiet (which can be a bit distracting), and some just get noisy (which is just as off-putting), but I never heard anyone say anything about God :-) Maybe I'm just not that good a performer? :-) Isn't it also said that a dying soldier will call for his mum. It seems very improbable given the practicalities of the circumstances, but which of knows what they would do in extremis? and why is it that in child birth some women will swear when they have never sworn before ? (well yes I know the alledged reason) When some go into battle they may shout. Today is a good day to die ... Worf klingon, but brought up by humans Victory is Life ... The Jem'Hadar Tora! Tora! Tora! I'm going to guess that there's an element of ritual to it. Something I don't understand, but which is obviously important to people who are more spiritual than I am. It's said that there are people or organisations 'behind' people who commit such acts. ISIS is usually mentioned at some point in the proceedings. It's reported that ISIS are in retreat, so there may be a kind of lull, I don't know. But if they are so keen to take credit (which seems to happen rather more quickly than you might expect, almost opportunistically, as if they weren't really expecting it), I think there's a danger in not acknowledging them. I don't know if that will make them do worse things in order to get noticed, or find other things to do. I'd like to think that there are 'experts' working on it right now :-) Of course I've no idea what those in spitfires might have said, I guess some may have prayed. (never being much of a God-botherer, myself), but maybe there is an equivalent phrase that could be employed? Probbley if they were all like minded, football suyporters do a similar thing when going into battle or for support. |
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Dan S. MacAbre wrote
I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. The Mail doesn't. I've no idea what a Christian might shout (never being much of a God-botherer, myself), but maybe there is an equivalent phrase that could be employed? Bet the roman catholic priests do say something when raping kids, tho they likely don't shout it. Brian Gaff wrote: So how do they identify a Muslim. I have lots of friends who are of that faith and they don't all have long beards or if female cover their faces either, However they do tend to suggest skin colour as well. I do sometimes wonder how the press get away with such double standards really, if you or I went around like that in normal life we would soon be brought to book by somebody. Anyway, nuff said. Brian |
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whisky-dave wrote
Dan S. MacAbre wrote I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. I've no idea what a Christian might shout . Glory to God, Never heard one do that. but why is it that some believe that a person usually a women having an orgasm will shout out something about God..... Thats just the yanks, stupid. and why is it that in child birth some women will swear when they have never sworn before ? (well yes I know the alledged reason) When some go into battle they may shout. Today is a good day to die ... Worf klingon, but brought up by humans Victory is Life ... The Jem'Hadar Of course I've no idea what those in spitfires might have said, I guess some may have prayed. The Japs were sposed to shout Banzai. Dunno how many bothered when alone in their kamikaze plane tho. Spose some of them did given they were actually stupid enough to be a kamikaze in the first place. (never being much of a God-botherer, myself), but maybe there is an equivalent phrase that could be employed? Probbley if they were all like minded, football suyporters do a similar thing when going into battle or for support. They most shout or sing unkind things about the other side. |
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On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:55:28 UTC, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
whisky-dave wrote: On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:54:01 UTC, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. I've no idea what a Christian might shout . Glory to God, but why is it that some believe that a person usually a women having an orgasm will shout out something about God..... I've known some go very quiet (which can be a bit distracting), and some just get noisy (which is just as off-putting), but I never heard anyone say anything about God :-) Maybe I'm just not that good a performer? :-) Maybe I got confused perhaps they were calling me God, well I can understand their confusion, I get confusedf too :-D, Isn't it also said that a dying soldier will call for his mum. Why would a soldier be differnet from anyone else ? It seems very improbable given the practicalities of the circumstances, but which of knows what they would do in extremis? I can predict what friend say when they stump their toe or shut a finger in a door. and why is it that in child birth some women will swear when they have never sworn before ? (well yes I know the alledged reason) When some go into battle they may shout. Today is a good day to die ... Worf klingon, but brought up by humans Victory is Life ... The Jem'Hadar Tora! Tora! Tora! I'm going to guess that there's an element of ritual to it. Something I don't understand, but which is obviously important to people who are more spiritual than I am. Reminds me of the food factory last night. It's said that there are people or organisations 'behind' people who commit such acts. ISIS is usually mentioned at some point in the proceedings. It's reported that ISIS are in retreat, so there may be a kind of lull, I don't know. But if they are so keen to take credit (which seems to happen rather more quickly than you might expect, almost opportunistically, as if they weren't really expecting it), I think there's a danger in not acknowledging them. I think the bigger danger is acknowledging them. (well publically anyway) I don't know if that will make them do worse things in order to get noticed, or find other things to do. I'd like to think that there are 'experts' working on it right now :-) on both sides probbably . |
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Rod Speed wrote:
Dan S. MacAbre wrote I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. The Mail doesn't. I don't know about that, not being familiar with it. But I'm assuming there are laws about what they can print, and I expect they get as close as they can to the line. I've no idea what a Christian might shout (never being much of a God-botherer, myself), but maybe there is an equivalent phrase that could be employed? Bet the roman catholic priests do say something when raping kids, tho they likely don't shout it. That's just another kind of prejudice, IMHO. Why not respect or hate all religions equally? Surely their believers are all just ordinary people who observe different rituals (depending on where they were born), but who are filling the same spiritual void? And, perhaps, taking advantage of the same opportunities for abuse and gratification. Brian Gaff wrote: So how do they identify a Muslim. I have lots of friends who are of that faith and they don't all have long beards or if female cover their faces either, However they do tend to suggest skin colour as well. I do sometimes wonder how the press get away with such double standards really, if you or I went around like that in normal life we would soon be brought to book by somebody. Anyway, nuff said. Brian |
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Brian Gaff wrote
So how do they identify a Muslim. Best way is to always have a koran with you and set fire to it when you want to see if the individual is a moslem. I have lots of friends who are of that faith and they don't all have long beards In fact none of the dozens of moslems I know even have a beard. or if female cover their faces either, Some of the older women do have head scarfs, but thats about it. However they do tend to suggest skin colour as well. Few of the ones I know are much different to the more swarthy non moslems. I do sometimes wonder how the press get away with such double standards really, if you or I went around like that in normal life we would soon be brought to book by somebody. You lot tried that at one time, but generally decided that freedom of the press works rather better. The reason the yanks have that in their constitution is because of what you lot got up to in that regard before before they ****ed off to the other side of the world and then turned uppity and kicked you lot out of the place they pinched from the red indians. Anyway, nuff said. "Tim Streater" wrote in message .. . In article , Brian Gaff wrote: I see Virgin Trains willow longer stock Daily Mail as they seem to be inciting hatred of Muslims and other minority groups by saying they are an xxx when when they report on other crime they do not say a white christian etc. Well they're not going to know whether a given white person is a Christian or not. Are they? -- The reason you think government is the solution is because you think freedom is the problem. But the truth is that government ensures that the most evil, ruthless people end up in control, because the state is a single point of failure, and a high-value target of corruption. Alan Lovejoy |
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whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:55:28 UTC, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: whisky-dave wrote: On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:54:01 UTC, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. I've no idea what a Christian might shout . Glory to God, but why is it that some believe that a person usually a women having an orgasm will shout out something about God..... I've known some go very quiet (which can be a bit distracting), and some just get noisy (which is just as off-putting), but I never heard anyone say anything about God :-) Maybe I'm just not that good a performer? :-) Maybe I got confused perhaps they were calling me God, well I can understand their confusion, I get confusedf too :-D, Isn't it also said that a dying soldier will call for his mum. Why would a soldier be differnet from anyone else ? I've only ever heard that soldiers do it. And usually in the trenches, for some reason. I didn't know it was a general thing. I guess I'll find out, one day. It seems very improbable given the practicalities of the circumstances, but which of knows what they would do in extremis? I can predict what friend say when they stump their toe or shut a finger in a door. I find that the word '****!' is most suitable. and why is it that in child birth some women will swear when they have never sworn before ? (well yes I know the alledged reason) When some go into battle they may shout. Today is a good day to die ... Worf klingon, but brought up by humans Victory is Life ... The Jem'Hadar Tora! Tora! Tora! I'm going to guess that there's an element of ritual to it. Something I don't understand, but which is obviously important to people who are more spiritual than I am. Reminds me of the food factory last night. I don't know what that is :-) It's said that there are people or organisations 'behind' people who commit such acts. ISIS is usually mentioned at some point in the proceedings. It's reported that ISIS are in retreat, so there may be a kind of lull, I don't know. But if they are so keen to take credit (which seems to happen rather more quickly than you might expect, almost opportunistically, as if they weren't really expecting it), I think there's a danger in not acknowledging them. I think the bigger danger is acknowledging them. (well publically anyway) Generally, I'd have thought so. But it's odd that they appear to so much crave the publicity that it sometimes seems that they're claiming responsibility for things they don't even know about. Whoever 'they' actually are. Does someone just 'phone up the BBC and say 'ISIS here, we claim responsibility for that'? I don't know if that will make them do worse things in order to get noticed, or find other things to do. I'd like to think that there are 'experts' working on it right now :-) on both sides probbably . |
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Rod Speed wrote:
Brian Gaff wrote So how do they identify a Muslim. Best way is to always have a koran with you and set fire to it when you want to see if the individual is a moslem. I have lots of friends who are of that faith and they don't all have long beards In fact none of the dozens of moslems I know even have a beard. or if female cover their faces either, Some of the older women do have head scarfs, but thats about it. However they do tend to suggest skin colour as well. Few of the ones I know are much different to the more swarthy non moslems. I do sometimes wonder how the press get away with such double standards really, if you or I went around like that in normal life we would soon be brought to book by somebody. You lot tried that at one time, but generally decided that freedom of the press works rather better. The obvious danger nowadays is that people will lose trust and just go elsewhere for their 'news', and often it will not be news at all. The reason the yanks have that in their constitution is because of what you lot got up to in that regard before before they ****ed off to the other side of the world and then turned uppity and kicked you lot out of the place they pinched from the red indians. Anyway, nuff said. "Tim Streater" wrote in message .. . In article , Brian Gaff wrote: I see Virgin Trains willow longer stock Daily Mail as they seem to be inciting hatred of Muslims and other minority groups by saying they are an xxx when when they report on other crime they do not say a white christian etc. Well they're not going to know whether a given white person is a Christian or not. Are they? -- The reason you think government is the solution is because you think freedom is the problem. But the truth is that government ensures that the most evil, ruthless people end up in control, because the state is a single point of failure, and a high-value target of corruption. Alan Lovejoy |
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Dan S. MacAbre wrote
Rod Speed wrote Dan S. MacAbre wrote I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. The Mail doesn't. I don't know about that, not being familiar with it. But I'm assuming there are laws about what they can print, Not on that question of jumping to conclusions there arent. and I expect they get as close as they can to the line. There is no line on jumping to conclusions. I've no idea what a Christian might shout (never being much of a God-botherer, myself), but maybe there is an equivalent phrase that could be employed? Bet the roman catholic priests do say something when raping kids, tho they likely don't shout it. That's just another kind of prejudice, IMHO. Why not respect or hate all religions equally? Because most don't rape their equivalent of altar boys. Surely their believers are all just ordinary people who observe different rituals (depending on where they were born), but who are filling the same spiritual void? Hard to claim that with roman catholic priests who rape children. And, perhaps, taking advantage of the same opportunities for abuse and gratification. No real evidence of much of that with other than the christians. Brian Gaff wrote: So how do they identify a Muslim. I have lots of friends who are of that faith and they don't all have long beards or if female cover their faces either, However they do tend to suggest skin colour as well. I do sometimes wonder how the press get away with such double standards really, if you or I went around like that in normal life we would soon be brought to book by somebody. Anyway, nuff said. |
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Rod Speed wrote:
Dan S. MacAbre wrote Rod Speed wrote Dan S. MacAbre wrote I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. The Mail doesn't. I don't know about that, not being familiar with it. But I'm assuming there are laws about what they can print, Not on that question of jumping to conclusions there arent. and I expect they get as close as they can to the line. There is no line on jumping to conclusions. I've no idea what a Christian might shout (never being much of a God-botherer, myself), but maybe there is an equivalent phrase that could be employed? Bet the roman catholic priests do say something when raping kids, tho they likely don't shout it. That's just another kind of prejudice, IMHO. Why not respect or hate all religions equally? Because most don't rape their equivalent of altar boys. Surely their believers are all just ordinary people who observe different rituals (depending on where they were born), but who are filling the same spiritual void? Hard to claim that with roman catholic priests who rape children. And, perhaps, taking advantage of the same opportunities for abuse and gratification. No real evidence of much of that with other than the christians. Brian Gaff wrote: So how do they identify a Muslim. I have lots of friends who are of that faith and they don't all have long beards or if female cover their faces either, However they do tend to suggest skin colour as well. I do sometimes wonder how the press get away with such double standards really, if you or I went around like that in normal life we would soon be brought to book by somebody. Anyway, nuff said. Okay, you don't like Christians. I shall avoid provoking you further. |
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"Dan S. MacAbre" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: Dan S. MacAbre wrote Rod Speed wrote Dan S. MacAbre wrote I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. The Mail doesn't. I don't know about that, not being familiar with it. But I'm assuming there are laws about what they can print, Not on that question of jumping to conclusions there arent. and I expect they get as close as they can to the line. There is no line on jumping to conclusions. I've no idea what a Christian might shout (never being much of a God-botherer, myself), but maybe there is an equivalent phrase that could be employed? Bet the roman catholic priests do say something when raping kids, tho they likely don't shout it. That's just another kind of prejudice, IMHO. Why not respect or hate all religions equally? Because most don't rape their equivalent of altar boys. Surely their believers are all just ordinary people who observe different rituals (depending on where they were born), but who are filling the same spiritual void? Hard to claim that with roman catholic priests who rape children. And, perhaps, taking advantage of the same opportunities for abuse and gratification. No real evidence of much of that with other than the christians. Brian Gaff wrote: So how do they identify a Muslim. I have lots of friends who are of that faith and they don't all have long beards or if female cover their faces either, However they do tend to suggest skin colour as well. I do sometimes wonder how the press get away with such double standards really, if you or I went around like that in normal life we would soon be brought to book by somebody. Anyway, nuff said. Okay, you don't like Christians. Most of those into religion I know are christians and I like most of them. I don't like roman catholic priests who claim to be telling others how to behave, who rape children, one of the most utter depraved acts possible. I shall avoid provoking you further. Saville etc arent much better, but at least they don't try to tell anyone else how they must behave. |
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On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 11:59:52 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
I see Virgin Trains willow longer stock Daily Mail as they seem to be inciting hatred of Muslims and other minority groups by saying they are an xxx when when they report on other crime they do not say a white christian etc. Brian No worries. I never use Virgin Trains. Except for the Sun, the DM has the largest circulation of all UK newspapers. The New European has the lowest. I wonder why? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._circul ation http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/study-...eu-referendum/ |
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Rod Speed wrote:
"Dan S. MacAbre" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: Dan S. MacAbre wrote Rod Speed wrote Dan S. MacAbre wrote I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. The Mail doesn't. I don't know about that, not being familiar with it. But I'm assuming there are laws about what they can print, Not on that question of jumping to conclusions there arent. and I expect they get as close as they can to the line. There is no line on jumping to conclusions. I've no idea what a Christian might shout (never being much of a God-botherer, myself), but maybe there is an equivalent phrase that could be employed? Bet the roman catholic priests do say something when raping kids, tho they likely don't shout it. That's just another kind of prejudice, IMHO. Why not respect or hate all religions equally? Because most don't rape their equivalent of altar boys. Surely their believers are all just ordinary people who observe different rituals (depending on where they were born), but who are filling the same spiritual void? Hard to claim that with roman catholic priests who rape children. And, perhaps, taking advantage of the same opportunities for abuse and gratification. No real evidence of much of that with other than the christians. Brian Gaff wrote: So how do they identify a Muslim. I have lots of friends who are of that faith and they don't all have long beards or if female cover their faces either, However they do tend to suggest skin colour as well. I do sometimes wonder how the press get away with such double standards really, if you or I went around like that in normal life we would soon be brought to book by somebody. Anyway, nuff said. Okay, you don't like Christians. Most of those into religion I know are christians and I like most of them. I don't like roman catholic priests who claim to be telling others how to behave, who rape children, one of the most utter depraved acts possible. I've a seven year-old son. Having a child changed me in ways that I can't really describe; and one of them is a deep sadness for the plight of children in the past, present, and future. I shall avoid provoking you further. Saville etc arent much better, but at least they don't try to tell anyone else how they must behave. I think the media that employ them do, but in less apparently authoritative, and more subtle, ways. I think that's the function of celebrities, nowadays. People want to be like them, so only the most shining examples are chosen to act as 'role models'. If they don't give off the right signals, they are soon kicked into obscurity. That's how it seems to me, anyway. |
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On 10/01/2018 18:00, harry wrote:
On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 11:59:52 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote: Except for the Sun, the DM has the largest circulation of all UK newspapers. The New European has the lowest. I wonder why? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._circul ation There is an interesting table of circulations on there. In a discussion on the BBC R5 this morning the point was made by a guest (in a discussion about the Virgin ban) that "The DM circulation is falling 7% year on year" I haven't done the sums to see if that figure is correct but it looks like all papers (with the possible exception of the Times) are falling year on year. The Mirror and the Express possibly even faster than the DM -- Chris B (News) |
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:00:30 -0800, harry wrote:
On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 11:59:52 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote: I see Virgin Trains willow longer stock Daily Mail as they seem to be inciting hatred of Muslims and other minority groups by saying they are an xxx when when they report on other crime they do not say a white christian etc. Brian No worries. I never use Virgin Trains. Except for the Sun, the DM has the largest circulation of all UK newspapers. It's been going a long time - even before its support of Nazi Germany. The New European has the lowest. I wonder why? It's been going only about a year and a half. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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"Dan S. MacAbre" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: Dan S. MacAbre wrote Rod Speed wrote Dan S. MacAbre wrote I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. The Mail doesn't. I don't know about that, not being familiar with it. But I'm assuming there are laws about what they can print, Not on that question of jumping to conclusions there arent. and I expect they get as close as they can to the line. There is no line on jumping to conclusions. I've no idea what a Christian might shout (never being much of a God-botherer, myself), but maybe there is an equivalent phrase that could be employed? Bet the roman catholic priests do say something when raping kids, tho they likely don't shout it. That's just another kind of prejudice, IMHO. Why not respect or hate all religions equally? Because most don't rape their equivalent of altar boys. Surely their believers are all just ordinary people who observe different rituals (depending on where they were born), but who are filling the same spiritual void? Hard to claim that with roman catholic priests who rape children. And, perhaps, taking advantage of the same opportunities for abuse and gratification. No real evidence of much of that with other than the christians. Brian Gaff wrote: So how do they identify a Muslim. I have lots of friends who are of that faith and they don't all have long beards or if female cover their faces either, However they do tend to suggest skin colour as well. I do sometimes wonder how the press get away with such double standards really, if you or I went around like that in normal life we would soon be brought to book by somebody. Anyway, nuff said. Okay, you don't like Christians. Most of those into religion I know are christians and I like most of them. I don't like roman catholic priests who claim to be telling others how to behave, who rape children, one of the most utter depraved acts possible. I've a seven year-old son. Having a child changed me in ways that I can't really describe; and one of them is a deep sadness for the plight of children in the past, present, and future. I shall avoid provoking you further. Saville etc arent much better, but at least they don't try to tell anyone else how they must behave. I think the media that employ them do, I don't believe that. but in less apparently authoritative, and more subtle, ways. I don't believe they do that at all. I think that's the function of celebrities, nowadays. I don't, particularly with the way they change who they shack up with about as often as most of us change our shirts. Sure, some like Adam do **** around like they do, but he's nothing even remotely like typical. People want to be like them, Only the terminal ****wits. so only the most shining examples are chosen to act as 'role models'. Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something. If they don't give off the right signals, they are soon kicked into obscurity. Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something. That's how it seems to me, anyway. Then you need to get your seems machinery seen to, BAD. |
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On 10/01/18 17:00, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Roger Hayter wrote: Tim Streater wrote: In article , Brian Gaff wrote: I see Virgin Trains willow longer stock Daily Mail as they seem to be inciting hatred of Muslims* and other minority groups by saying they are an xxx when when they report on other crime they do not say a white christian etc. Well they're not going to know whether a given white person is a Christian or not. Are they? They are not going to know if the 'Muslim' is an agnostic or atheist either.* It won't stop them calling him or her a Muslim. While this is true, it is nonetheless also true that, f'rinstance, those of Pakistani heritage are very likely to be Muslim, and those of Indian heritage are very likely to be Hindu. More more so than for a white person, I venture to suggest. Afrcans are the most devour Xtians... -- A leader is best When people barely know he exists. Of a good leader, who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say, We did this ourselves. Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching |
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Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. I've no idea what a Christian might shout (never being much of a God-botherer, myself), but maybe there is an equivalent phrase that could be employed? Brian Gaff wrote: So how do they identify a Muslim. I have lots of friends who are of that faith and they don't all have long beards or if female cover their faces either, However they do tend to suggest skin colour as well. I do sometimes wonder how the press get away with such double standards really, if you or I went around like that in normal life we would soon be brought to book by somebody. Anyway, nuff said. Brian How about Hallelujah? Not a Christian myself, but it sounds good. -- Roger Hayter |
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Roger Hayter wrote:
Dan S. MacAbre wrote: I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. I've no idea what a Christian might shout (never being much of a God-botherer, myself), but maybe there is an equivalent phrase that could be employed? Brian Gaff wrote: So how do they identify a Muslim. I have lots of friends who are of that faith and they don't all have long beards or if female cover their faces either, However they do tend to suggest skin colour as well. I do sometimes wonder how the press get away with such double standards really, if you or I went around like that in normal life we would soon be brought to book by somebody. Anyway, nuff said. Brian How about Hallelujah? Not a Christian myself, but it sounds good. Obvious, now you mention it :-) |
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On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:00:31 UTC, Chris B wrote:
On 10/01/2018 18:00, harry wrote: On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 11:59:52 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote: Except for the Sun, the DM has the largest circulation of all UK newspapers. The New European has the lowest. I wonder why? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._circul ation There is an interesting table of circulations on there. In a discussion on the BBC R5 this morning the point was made by a guest (in a discussion about the Virgin ban) that "The DM circulation is falling 7% year on year" I haven't done the sums to see if that figure is correct but it looks like all papers (with the possible exception of the Times) are falling year on year. The Mirror and the Express possibly even faster than the DM -- Chris B (News) People drivel on about the obvious. The population garners it's news/propaganda. from TV and on line. TV suited the (lefty) establishment, it is controlled by them. And it's content. And they can suppress newspaper stories. However, they are now in a panic over social media. They have no control. They can no longer hide their cockups. Eg, mass immigration and it's effects on crime, pay and house prices. |
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On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:06:46 UTC, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:00:30 -0800, harry wrote: On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 11:59:52 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote: I see Virgin Trains willow longer stock Daily Mail as they seem to be inciting hatred of Muslims and other minority groups by saying they are an xxx when when they report on other crime they do not say a white christian etc. Brian No worries. I never use Virgin Trains. Except for the Sun, the DM has the largest circulation of all UK newspapers. It's been going a long time - even before its support of Nazi Germany. The New European has the lowest. I wonder why? It's been going only about a year and a half. Even less worries about Virgin Trains then. |
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On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:37:29 UTC, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
Rod Speed wrote: "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: Dan S. MacAbre wrote Rod Speed wrote Dan S. MacAbre wrote I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. The Mail doesn't. I don't know about that, not being familiar with it. But I'm assuming there are laws about what they can print, Not on that question of jumping to conclusions there arent. and I expect they get as close as they can to the line. There is no line on jumping to conclusions. I've no idea what a Christian might shout (never being much of a God-botherer, myself), but maybe there is an equivalent phrase that could be employed? Bet the roman catholic priests do say something when raping kids, tho they likely don't shout it. That's just another kind of prejudice, IMHO. Why not respect or hate all religions equally? Because most don't rape their equivalent of altar boys. Surely their believers are all just ordinary people who observe different rituals (depending on where they were born), but who are filling the same spiritual void? Hard to claim that with roman catholic priests who rape children. And, perhaps, taking advantage of the same opportunities for abuse and gratification. No real evidence of much of that with other than the christians. Brian Gaff wrote: So how do they identify a Muslim. I have lots of friends who are of that faith and they don't all have long beards or if female cover their faces either, However they do tend to suggest skin colour as well. I do sometimes wonder how the press get away with such double standards really, if you or I went around like that in normal life we would soon be brought to book by somebody. Anyway, nuff said. Okay, you don't like Christians. Most of those into religion I know are christians and I like most of them. I don't like roman catholic priests who claim to be telling others how to behave, who rape children, one of the most utter depraved acts possible. I've a seven year-old son. Having a child changed me in ways that I can't really describe; and one of them is a deep sadness for the plight of children in the past, present, and future. Children have never had it so good. These things have always gone on. We just get to hear about them these days which we never did in the past. Hence all the "historic" crimes coming to light recently. |
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harry wrote:
On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:37:29 UTC, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: Rod Speed wrote: "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: Dan S. MacAbre wrote Rod Speed wrote Dan S. MacAbre wrote I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. The Mail doesn't. I don't know about that, not being familiar with it. But I'm assuming there are laws about what they can print, Not on that question of jumping to conclusions there arent. and I expect they get as close as they can to the line. There is no line on jumping to conclusions. I've no idea what a Christian might shout (never being much of a God-botherer, myself), but maybe there is an equivalent phrase that could be employed? Bet the roman catholic priests do say something when raping kids, tho they likely don't shout it. That's just another kind of prejudice, IMHO. Why not respect or hate all religions equally? Because most don't rape their equivalent of altar boys. Surely their believers are all just ordinary people who observe different rituals (depending on where they were born), but who are filling the same spiritual void? Hard to claim that with roman catholic priests who rape children. And, perhaps, taking advantage of the same opportunities for abuse and gratification. No real evidence of much of that with other than the christians. Brian Gaff wrote: So how do they identify a Muslim. I have lots of friends who are of that faith and they don't all have long beards or if female cover their faces either, However they do tend to suggest skin colour as well. I do sometimes wonder how the press get away with such double standards really, if you or I went around like that in normal life we would soon be brought to book by somebody. Anyway, nuff said. Okay, you don't like Christians. Most of those into religion I know are christians and I like most of them. I don't like roman catholic priests who claim to be telling others how to behave, who rape children, one of the most utter depraved acts possible. I've a seven year-old son. Having a child changed me in ways that I can't really describe; and one of them is a deep sadness for the plight of children in the past, present, and future. Children have never had it so good. These things have always gone on. We just get to hear about them these days which we never did in the past. Hence all the "historic" crimes coming to light recently. I agree that things are better, but it's the few that slip through the net, and the ones caught up in wars that get to me a bit. I'm a soppy old sod :-) |
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On 10/01/2018 19:00, Chris B wrote:
On 10/01/2018 18:00, harry wrote: On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 11:59:52 UTC, Brian Gaff* wrote: Except for the Sun, the DM has the largest circulation of all UK newspapers. The New European has the lowest. I wonder why? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._circul ation There is an interesting table of circulations on there.* In a discussion on the BBC R5 this morning the point was made by a guest (in a discussion about the Virgin ban)* that "The DM circulation is falling 7% year on year"* I haven't done the sums to see if that figure is correct but it looks like all papers (with the possible exception of the Times) are falling year on year. The Mirror and the Express possibly even faster than the DM One very possible explanation for the decline in the DM circulation is the popularity of their web edition: http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/mail-o...thly-browsers/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16746785 |
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On 10/01/2018 16:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Andrew wrote: On 10/01/2018 11:59, Brian Gaff wrote: I see Virgin Trains willow longer stock Daily Mail as they seem to be inciting hatred of Muslims and other minority groups by saying they are an xxx when when they report on other crime they do not say a white christian etc. Brian The real reason is that Branson is a Remoaner, and the DM is in favour of Brexit. The battle of the tax exiles, then? Both fully paid up members of the 'global elite' (and a few other organisations in the case of P Dacres). |
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On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:20:01 UTC, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
whisky-dave wrote: On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:55:28 UTC, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: whisky-dave wrote: On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:54:01 UTC, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. I've no idea what a Christian might shout . Glory to God, but why is it that some believe that a person usually a women having an orgasm will shout out something about God..... I've known some go very quiet (which can be a bit distracting), and some just get noisy (which is just as off-putting), but I never heard anyone say anything about God :-) Maybe I'm just not that good a performer? :-) Maybe I got confused perhaps they were calling me God, well I can understand their confusion, I get confusedf too :-D, Isn't it also said that a dying soldier will call for his mum. Why would a soldier be differnet from anyone else ? I've only ever heard that soldiers do it. and I;'ve only ever heard 2 girls fart. And usually in the trenches, for some reason. I didn't know it was a general thing. I guess I'll find out, one day. How much tine are you going to spend in trenchies ? It seems very improbable given the practicalities of the circumstances, but which of knows what they would do in extremis? I can predict what friend say when they stump their toe or shut a finger in a door. I find that the word '****!' is most suitable. But why, do you know ? Tora! Tora! Tora! I'm going to guess that there's an element of ritual to it. Something I don't understand, but which is obviously important to people who are more spiritual than I am. Reminds me of the food factory last night. I don't know what that is :-) BBC2 I think, greg wallace (without his pet grommit) lok at the food industry. This week seeing how mayo was made. But teh interesting thing was why we have mint source with lamb, horse raddish with beef and cranberry with turkey. It's said that there are people or organisations 'behind' people who commit such acts. ISIS is usually mentioned at some point in the proceedings. It's reported that ISIS are in retreat, so there may be a kind of lull, I don't know. But if they are so keen to take credit (which seems to happen rather more quickly than you might expect, almost opportunistically, as if they weren't really expecting it), I think there's a danger in not acknowledging them. I think the bigger danger is acknowledging them. (well publically anyway) Generally, I'd have thought so. But it's odd that they appear to so much crave the publicity that it sometimes seems that they're claiming responsibility for things they don't even know about. It;s just a form of advertising that;s all. Whoever 'they' actually are. Does someone just 'phone up the BBC and say 'ISIS here, we claim responsibility for that'? No idea in teh days of the IRA codes were used to authenticate such claims I'm not sure ISIS would consider such a thing worthwhile or perhaps allah would object I don;t know but I bet Harry does ;-) |
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On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:37:29 UTC, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
Rod Speed wrote: "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: Dan S. MacAbre wrote Rod Speed wrote Dan S. MacAbre wrote I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. The Mail doesn't. I don't know about that, not being familiar with it. But I'm assuming there are laws about what they can print, Not on that question of jumping to conclusions there arent. and I expect they get as close as they can to the line. There is no line on jumping to conclusions. I've no idea what a Christian might shout (never being much of a God-botherer, myself), but maybe there is an equivalent phrase that could be employed? Bet the roman catholic priests do say something when raping kids, tho they likely don't shout it. That's just another kind of prejudice, IMHO. Why not respect or hate all religions equally? Because most don't rape their equivalent of altar boys. Surely their believers are all just ordinary people who observe different rituals (depending on where they were born), but who are filling the same spiritual void? Hard to claim that with roman catholic priests who rape children. And, perhaps, taking advantage of the same opportunities for abuse and gratification. No real evidence of much of that with other than the christians. Brian Gaff wrote: So how do they identify a Muslim. I have lots of friends who are of that faith and they don't all have long beards or if female cover their faces either, However they do tend to suggest skin colour as well. I do sometimes wonder how the press get away with such double standards really, if you or I went around like that in normal life we would soon be brought to book by somebody. Anyway, nuff said. Okay, you don't like Christians. Most of those into religion I know are christians and I like most of them. I don't like roman catholic priests who claim to be telling others how to behave, who rape children, one of the most utter depraved acts possible. I've a seven year-old son. Having a child changed me in ways that I can't really describe; and one of them is a deep sadness for the plight of children in the past, present, and future. I shall avoid provoking you further. Saville etc arent much better, but at least they don't try to tell anyone else how they must behave. I think the media that employ them do, but in less apparently authoritative, and more subtle, ways. I think that's the function of celebrities, nowadays. People want to be like them, so only the most shining examples are chosen to act as 'role models'. If they don't give off the right signals, they are soon kicked into obscurity. That's how it seems to me, anyway. Took quite a while for them to kick jimmy savelle into obscurity and now we have 'A' list hollywood actors that have seemed to have gotten away with things for years. |
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On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 22:36:12 UTC, Roger Hayter wrote:
Dan S. MacAbre wrote: I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. I've no idea what a Christian might shout (never being much of a God-botherer, myself), but maybe there is an equivalent phrase that could be employed? Brian Gaff wrote: So how do they identify a Muslim. I have lots of friends who are of that faith and they don't all have long beards or if female cover their faces either, However they do tend to suggest skin colour as well. I do sometimes wonder how the press get away with such double standards really, if you or I went around like that in normal life we would soon be brought to book by somebody. Anyway, nuff said. Brian How about Hallelujah? Not a Christian myself, but it sounds good. Ahmen to that :-) -- Roger Hayter |
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"harry" wrote in message ... On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:37:29 UTC, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: Rod Speed wrote: "Dan S. MacAbre" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: Dan S. MacAbre wrote Rod Speed wrote Dan S. MacAbre wrote I think they always used to say that when a witness claimed the person shouted "Allahu akhbar" (or however it might be spelt). Nowadays, I think they try to avoid jumping to a conclusion. The Mail doesn't. I don't know about that, not being familiar with it. But I'm assuming there are laws about what they can print, Not on that question of jumping to conclusions there arent. and I expect they get as close as they can to the line. There is no line on jumping to conclusions. I've no idea what a Christian might shout (never being much of a God-botherer, myself), but maybe there is an equivalent phrase that could be employed? Bet the roman catholic priests do say something when raping kids, tho they likely don't shout it. That's just another kind of prejudice, IMHO. Why not respect or hate all religions equally? Because most don't rape their equivalent of altar boys. Surely their believers are all just ordinary people who observe different rituals (depending on where they were born), but who are filling the same spiritual void? Hard to claim that with roman catholic priests who rape children. And, perhaps, taking advantage of the same opportunities for abuse and gratification. No real evidence of much of that with other than the christians. Brian Gaff wrote: So how do they identify a Muslim. I have lots of friends who are of that faith and they don't all have long beards or if female cover their faces either, However they do tend to suggest skin colour as well. I do sometimes wonder how the press get away with such double standards really, if you or I went around like that in normal life we would soon be brought to book by somebody. Anyway, nuff said. Okay, you don't like Christians. Most of those into religion I know are christians and I like most of them. I don't like roman catholic priests who claim to be telling others how to behave, who rape children, one of the most utter depraved acts possible. I've a seven year-old son. Having a child changed me in ways that I can't really describe; and one of them is a deep sadness for the plight of children in the past, present, and future. Children have never had it so good. Thats arguable with so many helicopter parents now. These things have always gone on. Sure, but its less clear if the rate of it in places like the roman catholic church has changed significantly over time. As a result of our full royal commission into child sexual abuse, it turns out that In 1971, all male teachers and the chaplain at the St Alipius Christian Brothers Boys School were molesting children. Many of those utter arseholes were immigrants from Ireland. We just get to hear about them these days which we never did in the past. Because the roman catholic church was much more effective at moving the worst of their offenders around when they had been caught and avoiding getting the legal system involved. Hence all the "historic" crimes coming to light recently. With ours, its because Julia Gillard had the balls to put one hell of a bomb under the system with a full royal commission which ran for years and exposed so much of it. Not just the roman catholic church either, the anglicans/CofE weren't all that far behind and the Salvation Army in their institutions for kids too. Some of the ultra orthodox jewish schools too. In fact these were in fact some of the worst with the entire congregation shunning the kid's parents who had the balls to tell the cops what had happened. |
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On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 11:59:52 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
I see Virgin Trains willow longer stock Daily Mail as they seem to be inciting hatred of Muslims and other minority groups by saying they are an xxx when when they report on other crime they do not say a white christian etc. Brian Somebody has to tell ars eholes like you that our country is being subverted and invaded. |
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On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:42:28 -0800, harry wrote:
On Wednesday, 10 January 2018 11:59:52 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote: I see Virgin Trains willow longer stock Daily Mail as they seem to be inciting hatred of Muslims and other minority groups by saying they are an xxx when when they report on other crime they do not say a white christian etc. Brian Somebody has to tell ars eholes like you that our country is being subverted and invaded. By racist Nazis like you. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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