On Tuesday, 1 August 2017 18:42:43 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:
In 20 years time, hybrids will likely be the norm with no legislation at
all.

with small batteries and large fuel tanks - agreed

but it is big batteries and small fuel tanks that are required to have a
noticeable effect on their emissions

Won't make any difference - unless you charge them externally? Of course
if electricity is cheaper than petrol most will when they can. But I'd
guess things will change when most cars are electric.

I was listening to a podcast where they were looking at what could happen in the USA when 30% of the cars become electric, in that gas stations won;t be able to survive with the drop in revenue due to less car requiring gas and the pumps would close making it difficult to relibely find a gas station when you need one like you can now.
Petrol stations in the UK seem to rely on the attached supermarked or shops to survive and I;ve not seen any plans for how they'll start charging for electricity used for charging either at home or on route as you do with petrol/diesel.

In article ,
whisky-dave writes
On Tuesday, 1 August 2017 18:42:43 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:
In 20 years time, hybrids will likely be the norm with no legislation at
all.

with small batteries and large fuel tanks - agreed

but it is big batteries and small fuel tanks that are required to have a
noticeable effect on their emissions

Won't make any difference - unless you charge them externally? Of course
if electricity is cheaper than petrol most will when they can. But I'd
guess things will change when most cars are electric.

I was listening to a podcast where they were looking at what could
happen in the USA when 30% of the cars become electric, in that gas
stations won;t be able to survive with the drop in revenue due to less
car requiring gas and the pumps would close making it difficult to
relibely find a gas station when you need one like you can now.
Petrol stations in the UK seem to rely on the attached supermarked or
shops to survive and I;ve not seen any plans for how they'll start
charging for electricity used for charging either at home or on route
as you do with petrol/diesel.
Charging en route is straightforward. Charging at home other than via
the standard metering would be a bit more complicated.
--
bert

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, 1 August 2017 18:42:43 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:
In 20 years time, hybrids will likely be the norm with no legislation
at
all.

with small batteries and large fuel tanks - agreed

but it is big batteries and small fuel tanks that are required to have
a
noticeable effect on their emissions

Won't make any difference - unless you charge them externally? Of course
if electricity is cheaper than petrol most will when they can. But I'd
guess things will change when most cars are electric.

I was listening to a podcast where they were looking at what could happen
in the USA when 30% of the cars become electric, in that gas stations
won;t be able to survive with the drop in revenue due to less car
requiring gas and the pumps would close making it difficult to relibely
find a gas station when you need one like you can now.

given that "gas stations" functioned perfectly well when there were 30%
fewer cars on the road than now

that's ********

a 90% drop may be a problem

tim

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, 1 August 2017 18:42:43 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:
In 20 years time, hybrids will likely be the norm with no legislation
at
all.

with small batteries and large fuel tanks - agreed

but it is big batteries and small fuel tanks that are required to have
a
noticeable effect on their emissions

Won't make any difference - unless you charge them externally? Of course
if electricity is cheaper than petrol most will when they can. But I'd
guess things will change when most cars are electric.

I was listening to a podcast where they were looking at what could
happen in the USA when 30% of the cars become electric, in that gas
stations won;t be able to survive with the drop in revenue due to less
car requiring gas and the pumps would close making it difficult to
relibely find a gas station when you need one like you can now.

What would actually happen is that the least profitable of the
gas stations would indeed close, but there would still be plenty
left to supply the remaining 70% of cars that use gas.

Thats already happened here, some intersections even had
4 gas stations, one on every ****ing corner. That doesnt
happen now and there are still plenty when you need one.

Our main street has 8 of them even now and there are some extra
ones as well as those. Plenty to choose from when you need one.

Petrol stations in the UK seem to rely on the
attached supermarked or shops to survive

Not so much to survive, its mostly just the latest fad and
when you use them, you dont see to many of those who
are buying petrol actually buy anything but petrol etc.

and I;ve not seen any plans for how they'll start charging
for electricity used for charging either at home or on route
as you do with petrol/diesel.

When charging at home, you get charged for it just like
you do with electricity for anything else in the house.

With en route or at work etc, you get charged
like you do with petrol and diesel.

Trivial to charge your card for a specified amount
that you specify at the start and refund any excess
to the card if your car didnt need that much or
you show up earlier than you had planned and
unplug it and drive off etc.

Our public transport system works the other way,
you tap on with your card or phone and tap off
as you leave and get charged for what you use.

No reason why charging can't be done like that.

In article ,
tim... wrote:
I was listening to a podcast where they were looking at what could happen
in the USA when 30% of the cars become electric, in that gas stations
won;t be able to survive with the drop in revenue due to less car
requiring gas and the pumps would close making it difficult to relibely
find a gas station when you need one like you can now.

given that "gas stations" functioned perfectly well when there were 30%
fewer cars on the road than now

But there are less around these days. Even with more cars. And if their
turnover dropped due to more electric cars, plenty more would close.

Which is why I wouldn't be too sure filling a petrol car will always be
more convenient than plugging in an electric one.

that's ********

a 90% drop may be a problem

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Friday, 4 August 2017 17:25:26 UTC+1, tim... wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, 1 August 2017 18:42:43 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:
In 20 years time, hybrids will likely be the norm with no legislation
at
all.

with small batteries and large fuel tanks - agreed

but it is big batteries and small fuel tanks that are required to have
a
noticeable effect on their emissions

Won't make any difference - unless you charge them externally? Of course
if electricity is cheaper than petrol most will when they can. But I'd
guess things will change when most cars are electric.

I was listening to a podcast where they were looking at what could happen
in the USA when 30% of the cars become electric, in that gas stations
won;t be able to survive with the drop in revenue due to less car
requiring gas and the pumps would close making it difficult to relibely
find a gas station when you need one like you can now.

given that "gas stations" functioned perfectly well when there were 30%
fewer cars on the road than now

But they didn't and aren't which is why the have shops attached to them now.
With less cars using liquid fuel they'll be less liquid fule being sold and used.


that's ********

a 90% drop may be a problem

your talking ******** or lets just say I'll listen to those that know what they are talking about.
Most 'gas' stations in teh states will not become profitable with a 30% drop in revenue most business would be in trouble if that happened.

If yuo want a clue and can understand them, look how much 15% in the value of the pound against the dollar is causing in inflation.

On Friday, 4 August 2017 18:26:26 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, 1 August 2017 18:42:43 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:
In 20 years time, hybrids will likely be the norm with no legislation
at
all.

with small batteries and large fuel tanks - agreed

but it is big batteries and small fuel tanks that are required to have
a
noticeable effect on their emissions

Won't make any difference - unless you charge them externally? Of course
if electricity is cheaper than petrol most will when they can. But I'd
guess things will change when most cars are electric.

I was listening to a podcast where they were looking at what could
happen in the USA when 30% of the cars become electric, in that gas
stations won;t be able to survive with the drop in revenue due to less
car requiring gas and the pumps would close making it difficult to
relibely find a gas station when you need one like you can now.

What would actually happen is that the least profitable of the
gas stations would indeed close, but there would still be plenty
left to supply the remaining 70% of cars that use gas.

Until they increased their prices do to lowering demand it happens and has happend. But they may stay if they start selling other stuff. One option might be to go electric and have a suoperfast charging system in the future.



Thats already happened here, some intersections even had
4 gas stations, one on every ****ing corner. That doesnt
happen now and there are still plenty when you need one.

and we're not even close to 30% electric cars.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...pay-tanks.html


Just 8,600 forecourts left in the UK, down from 37,500 in 1970

Read mo http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4p3lRkf7n

Now do we have more or less cars on the road that we did in 1970 ?

On 07/08/2017 10:17, whisky-dave wrote:

If yuo want a clue and can understand them, look how much 15% in the value of the pound against the dollar is causing in inflation.




Much of the inflation is being hidden for now by companies cutting down
the size of products.

For example Andrex rolls used to have 240 sheets and now they have 200
sheets so that's a 20% increase in price per sheet but the RPI still
thinks they are the same price.

It will be some time before people learn what is really happening.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Friday, 4 August 2017 17:25:26 UTC+1, tim... wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, 1 August 2017 18:42:43 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:
In 20 years time, hybrids will likely be the norm with no
legislation
at
all.

with small batteries and large fuel tanks - agreed

but it is big batteries and small fuel tanks that are required to
have
a
noticeable effect on their emissions

Won't make any difference - unless you charge them externally? Of
course
if electricity is cheaper than petrol most will when they can. But I'd
guess things will change when most cars are electric.

I was listening to a podcast where they were looking at what could
happen
in the USA when 30% of the cars become electric, in that gas stations
won;t be able to survive with the drop in revenue due to less car
requiring gas and the pumps would close making it difficult to relibely
find a gas station when you need one like you can now.

given that "gas stations" functioned perfectly well when there were 30%
fewer cars on the road than now

But they didn't and aren't which is why the have shops attached to them
now.

That's because predatory pricing by supermarkets made selling just fuel less
profitable

tim

On Monday, 7 August 2017 12:30:00 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 07/08/2017 10:17, whisky-dave wrote:

If yuo want a clue and can understand them, look how much 15% in the value of the pound against the dollar is causing in inflation.




Much of the inflation is being hidden for now by companies cutting down
the size of products.

That's always been done nothing new there. I remmeber a friend in Greece telling me how much shorter phone calls got for the same price when the euro was briougght in she even showed me a phonecard (at the time) you got about 8% less call time. So don't try telling me this has only happened because of BREXIT.



For example Andrex rolls used to have 240 sheets and now they have 200
sheets so that's a 20% increase in price per sheet but the RPI still
thinks they are the same price.

I know I can tell the size by the diameter and height (which I think has shrunk too slightly) I have some old rolls to compare somewhere.



It will be some time before people learn what is really happening.

Do you remmeber the price of potatoes going up in price years ago and bag of chips reaching almost a quid. Te priced never came down again and I've noticed again portaions are starting to shrink.

Creme eggs used to be like chicken eggs nore they almost quale like in size..
I'm sure the 2 finger kit-kat I had today was smaller than last years.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Monday, 7 August 2017 12:30:00 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 07/08/2017 10:17, whisky-dave wrote:

If yuo want a clue and can understand them, look how much 15% in the
value of the pound against the dollar is causing in inflation.




Much of the inflation is being hidden for now by companies cutting down
the size of products.

That's always been done nothing new there. I remmeber a friend in Greece
telling me how much shorter phone calls got for the same price when the
euro was briougght in she even showed me a phonecard (at the time) you got
about 8% less call time. So don't try telling me this has only happened
because of BREXIT.

oh I do hate the way that bath soap has reduced in size from

125g to 100g to 90g just to keep the price the same

look, I don't want the price to stay the same I want a ****ing larger bar

****s

In article ,
tim... wrote:
given that "gas stations" functioned perfectly well when there were
30% fewer cars on the road than now

But they didn't and aren't which is why the have shops attached to
them now.

That's because predatory pricing by supermarkets made selling just fuel
less profitable

Round here, the supermarket locals have bought up lots of the filling
stations for their shops - and sell petrol at the normal price. Generally,
you need an out of town supermarket for cheap fuel.

--
*Middle age is when work is a lot less fun - and fun a lot more work.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

dennis@home wrote:

Much of the inflation is being hidden for now by companies cutting down
the size of products.

The ONS do seem to have cottoned-on to that ...

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Friday, 4 August 2017 18:26:26 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, 1 August 2017 18:42:43 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:
In 20 years time, hybrids will likely be the norm with no
legislation
at
all.

with small batteries and large fuel tanks - agreed

but it is big batteries and small fuel tanks that are required to
have
a
noticeable effect on their emissions

Won't make any difference - unless you charge them externally? Of
course
if electricity is cheaper than petrol most will when they can. But I'd
guess things will change when most cars are electric.

I was listening to a podcast where they were looking at what could
happen in the USA when 30% of the cars become electric, in that gas
stations won;t be able to survive with the drop in revenue due to less
car requiring gas and the pumps would close making it difficult to
relibely find a gas station when you need one like you can now.

What would actually happen is that the least profitable of the
gas stations would indeed close, but there would still be plenty
left to supply the remaining 70% of cars that use gas.

Until they increased their prices do to lowering demand

Or OPEC chooses to keep pumping what they currently pump
out of the ground and the price slumps due to the oversupply.

it happens and has happend.

So have price slumps when demand drops too.

But they may stay if they start selling other stuff.

But they are much smaller than normal supermarkets,
and most have to keep using normal supermarkets
anyway. so there may well be very little potential
to sell much 'other stuff'

What always happens in that situation is that the
least profitable go bust and the remaining sales
volume is supplied by fewer petrol stations.

We're seeing that right now with DVD rental operations
as more and more use operations like Netflix, the least
profitable of the physical renters just go bust.

One option might be to go electric and have
a suoperfast charging system in the future.

Easier said than done given the massive demand on the
mains and nowhere to park the car while its being charged.

Thats already happened here, some intersections even had
4 gas stations, one on every ****ing corner. That doesnt
happen now and there are still plenty when you need one.

and we're not even close to 30% electric cars.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...pay-tanks.html

Just 8,600 forecourts left in the UK, down from 37,500 in 1970

Still plenty when you need one.

Read mo
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4p3lRkf7n

Now do we have more or less cars on the road that we did in 1970 ?

The system clearly managed to handle that massive drop in the number
of petrol stations fine and would do even with 30% of electric cars.

IMO there wont ever be 30% electric cars anyway, its just the usual
utterly silly political bull****. The voters arent actually stupid enough
to wear a ban on petrol, diesel and LPG cars, they will give any
political party actually stupid enough to go that route the bums
rush at the ballot box and even the stupidest polly knows that.

Its just another massive brain fart by a few fools like
Macron, Gove and Volvo and aint actually gunna happen.

Just more political **** and wind done by stupid pollys doing
another 'look at me' exercise that isnt going to happen.

On Monday, 7 August 2017 22:00:05 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Friday, 4 August 2017 18:26:26 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, 1 August 2017 18:42:43 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:
In 20 years time, hybrids will likely be the norm with no
legislation
at
all.

with small batteries and large fuel tanks - agreed

but it is big batteries and small fuel tanks that are required to
have
a
noticeable effect on their emissions

Won't make any difference - unless you charge them externally? Of
course
if electricity is cheaper than petrol most will when they can. But I'd
guess things will change when most cars are electric.

I was listening to a podcast where they were looking at what could
happen in the USA when 30% of the cars become electric, in that gas
stations won;t be able to survive with the drop in revenue due to less
car requiring gas and the pumps would close making it difficult to
relibely find a gas station when you need one like you can now.

What would actually happen is that the least profitable of the
gas stations would indeed close, but there would still be plenty
left to supply the remaining 70% of cars that use gas.

Until they increased their prices do to lowering demand

Or OPEC chooses to keep pumping what they currently pump
out of the ground and the price slumps due to the oversupply.

But they can't keep pumping at very low prices, it cost money to extract the oilo and turn it into usable fuel and then you have to distibut it which all ads to the costs.



it happens and has happend.

So have price slumps when demand drops too.

demand tents to go up as prices fall unless their is a cheaper alternative.
It you get free electric the oil companies will start losing money and as a lot of pensions of invested in such companies....
swaping electricity for oil will will cause future problems for investmetns and pensions. eventually they;ll, have to start charging for charging :-)



But they may stay if they start selling other stuff.

But they are much smaller than normal supermarkets,
and most have to keep using normal supermarkets
anyway. so there may well be very little potential
to sell much 'other stuff'

Unless you offer free 1/2 hour charging while people shop.

What always happens in that situation is that the
least profitable go bust and the remaining sales
volume is supplied by fewer petrol stations.

So with fewer stations what effect will that have ?


We're seeing that right now with DVD rental operations
as more and more use operations like Netflix, the least
profitable of the physical renters just go bust.

Yes so like the DVD industry they'll have to find new ways of making money..
In the UK we used to pay just one company for all our TV viewing.
Now we can pay sky, netfix, NowTV and whoever else is out there.
In teh USA some are paying mulitple provioders for the same service because they want one unigue feature of that service.


One option might be to go electric and have
a suoperfast charging system in the future.

Easier said than done given the massive demand on the
mains and nowhere to park the car while its being charged.

What about dis-used pertol stations use the tanks for lithium battery storage for fast charge or perhaps even large capacitors that are trickle charged (where tricle is standard fast charge) a capacitor could dunmp 100s of amps down a cable for 3 mins or so to charge a car, but they would require a fast charge port due to cable capacities.


Thats already happened here, some intersections even had
4 gas stations, one on every ****ing corner. That doesnt
happen now and there are still plenty when you need one.

and we're not even close to 30% electric cars.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...pay-tanks.html

Just 8,600 forecourts left in the UK, down from 37,500 in 1970

Still plenty when you need one.

Because they are still profitable reduce the number of cars using them and then what ?
It's the exact reverse of why people aren't buying electric vehicals no where to charge them conviently for the majority.




Read mo
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4p3lRkf7n

Now do we have more or less cars on the road that we did in 1970 ?

The system clearly managed to handle that massive drop in the number
of petrol stations fine and would do even with 30% of electric cars.

Thats not what those in the industry are predicting.


IMO there wont ever be 30% electric cars anyway,

Why wonlt there be ?

its just the usual
utterly silly political bull****. The voters arent actually stupid enough
to wear a ban on petrol, diesel and LPG cars, they will give any
political party actually stupid enough to go that route the bums
rush at the ballot box and even the stupidest polly knows that.

Who the **** is stupid enough to vote for a party that will tax them ?
why not answer that question if you can.


Its just another massive brain fart by a few fools like
Macron, Gove and Volvo and aint actually gunna happen.

No this was the american oil industry working out how to maiantain it's profits, if yuo sell less gas you make less profits unless you put the price up is this getting to complicated for you ?

Or maybe Apple will develope a petrol powered phone and the 'gas' industry will be saved.



Just more political **** and wind done by stupid pollys doing
another 'look at me' exercise that isnt going to happen.

whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
tim... wrote

In 20 years time, hybrids will likely be
the norm with no legislation at all.

Dont believe that.

with small batteries and large fuel tanks - agreed

but it is big batteries and small fuel tanks that are required
to have a noticeable effect on their emissions

Won't make any difference - unless you charge them externally?
Of course if electricity is cheaper than petrol most will when they
can. But I'd guess things will change when most cars are electric.

I was listening to a podcast where they were looking at what could
happen in the USA when 30% of the cars become electric, in that gas
stations won;t be able to survive with the drop in revenue due to less
car requiring gas and the pumps would close making it difficult to
relibely find a gas station when you need one like you can now.

What would actually happen is that the least profitable of the
gas stations would indeed close, but there would still be plenty
left to supply the remaining 70% of cars that use gas.

Until they increased their prices do to lowering demand

Or OPEC chooses to keep pumping what they currently pump
out of the ground and the price slumps due to the oversupply.

But they can't keep pumping at very low prices,

Never said anything about very low prices.

it cost money to extract the oilo and turn it into usable fuel
and then you have to distibut it which all ads to the costs.

Irrelevant to whether it will increase in price with more electric cars.

it happens and has happend.

So have price slumps when demand drops too.

demand tents to go up as prices fall
unless their is a cheaper alternative.

Plenty of the time demand is actually determent by other things.

It you get free electric

That will never happen.

the oil companies will start losing money

Just another silly little fantasy.

and as a lot of pensions of invested in such companies....
swaping electricity for oil will will cause future problems
for investmetns and pensions. eventually they;ll, have to
start charging for charging :-)

They wont ever stop doing that.

But they may stay if they start selling other stuff.

But they are much smaller than normal supermarkets,
and most have to keep using normal supermarkets
anyway. so there may well be very little potential
to sell much 'other stuff'

Unless you offer free 1/2 hour charging while people shop.

They still have **** all to buy compared with a supermarket
and there is no reason why the supermarket cant do that
and they have the much bigger shop to pay for that.

What always happens in that situation is that the
least profitable go bust and the remaining sales
volume is supplied by fewer petrol stations.

So with fewer stations what effect will that have ?

Nothing when that is due to a lower
demand due to more electric cars.

We're seeing that right now with DVD rental operations
as more and more use operations like Netflix, the least
profitable of the physical renters just go bust.

Yes so like the DVD industry they'll have to find new ways of making
money.

The rental operations dont do that, they just go broke.

In the UK we used to pay just one company for all our TV viewing.
Now we can pay sky, netfix, NowTV and whoever else is out there.

None of that goes to the operations that used
to rent out the DVDs. they just go broke.

Thats what will happen with the least profitable petrol stations too.

And has done in droves already.

In teh USA some are paying mulitple provioders for the same
service because they want one unigue feature of that service.

Irrelevant to what happened to the DVD rental operations, they went broke.

One option might be to go electric and have
a suoperfast charging system in the future.

Easier said than done given the massive demand on the
mains and nowhere to park the car while its being charged.

What about dis-used pertol stations use the
tanks for lithium battery storage for fast charge

Nowhere near big enough for that. Look at the energy
density of any battery compared with petrol sometime.

or perhaps even large capacitors

Still nothing even remotely like the energy density of petrol.

that are trickle charged (where tricle is standard fast
charge) a capacitor could dunmp 100s of amps down
a cable for 3 mins or so to charge a car,

Batterys cant be charged like that.

but they would require a fast charge port due to cable capacities.

You'd still need a massive 11KV supply to the old
service station. The energy that gets put in the cars
has to get to the service station somehow. Basic physics.

Thats already happened here, some intersections even had
4 gas stations, one on every ****ing corner. That doesnt
happen now and there are still plenty when you need one.

and we're not even close to 30% electric cars.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...pay-tanks.html

Just 8,600 forecourts left in the UK, down from 37,500 in 1970

Still plenty when you need one.

Because they are still profitable

The worst of them arent.

reduce the number of cars using them and then what ?

The least profitable go broke and there
are still plenty when you need one.

Even if say 30% go broke, there are still
70% that havent, plenty when you need one.

It's the exact reverse of why people aren't buying electric
vehicals no where to charge them conviently for the majority.

Nope, the reason only fools like harry buy them is because
their range is ****ed and the prices of them are stupid.

Most can charge them at home.

Read mo
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4p3lRkf7n

Now do we have more or less cars on the road that we did in 1970 ?

The system clearly managed to handle that massive drop in the number
of petrol stations fine and would do even with 30% of electric cars.

Thats not what those in the industry are predicting.

Only the pig ignorant fools who dont have a ****ing clue.

IMO there wont ever be 30% electric cars anyway,

Why wonlt there be ?

The range is ****ed and the price of the stupid.

its just the usual utterly silly political bull****. The voters
arent actually stupid enough to wear a ban on petrol,
diesel and LPG cars, they will give any political party
actually stupid enough to go that route the bums rush
at the ballot box and even the stupidest polly knows that.

Who the **** is stupid enough to vote for a party that will tax them ?

Thats the only way to pay for what they want govt to do.

Fresh out of trees with money growing on them.

Its just another massive brain fart by a few fools like
Macron, Gove and Volvo and aint actually gunna happen.

No this was the american oil industry
working out how to maiantain it's profits,

They were never stupid enough to propose banning petrol, diesel and LPG
cars.

reams of your even sillier **** flushed where it belongs

Just more political **** and wind done by stupid pollys doing
another 'look at me' exercise that isnt going to happen.

On Tuesday, 8 August 2017 11:43:44 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
tim... wrote

In 20 years time, hybrids will likely be
the norm with no legislation at all.

Dont believe that.

I never said that.


with small batteries and large fuel tanks - agreed

but it is big batteries and small fuel tanks that are required
to have a noticeable effect on their emissions

Won't make any difference - unless you charge them externally?
Of course if electricity is cheaper than petrol most will when they
can. But I'd guess things will change when most cars are electric.

I was listening to a podcast where they were looking at what could
happen in the USA when 30% of the cars become electric, in that gas
stations won;t be able to survive with the drop in revenue due to less
car requiring gas and the pumps would close making it difficult to
relibely find a gas station when you need one like you can now.

What would actually happen is that the least profitable of the
gas stations would indeed close, but there would still be plenty
left to supply the remaining 70% of cars that use gas.

Until they increased their prices do to lowering demand

Or OPEC chooses to keep pumping what they currently pump
out of the ground and the price slumps due to the oversupply.

But they can't keep pumping at very low prices,

Never said anything about very low prices.

The price of Oil is pretty low at the as petrol, and deisel become less importaint the price will have to drop especailly as oil gets harder to extract.

whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
tim... wrote

In 20 years time, hybrids will likely be
the norm with no legislation at all.

Dont believe that.

I never said that.

Never said you did.

with small batteries and large fuel tanks - agreed

but it is big batteries and small fuel tanks that are required
to have a noticeable effect on their emissions

Won't make any difference - unless you charge them externally?
Of course if electricity is cheaper than petrol most will when they
can. But I'd guess things will change when most cars are electric.

I was listening to a podcast where they were looking at what could
happen in the USA when 30% of the cars become electric, in that gas
stations won;t be able to survive with the drop in revenue due to
less
car requiring gas and the pumps would close making it difficult to
relibely find a gas station when you need one like you can now.

What would actually happen is that the least profitable of the
gas stations would indeed close, but there would still be plenty
left to supply the remaining 70% of cars that use gas.

Until they increased their prices do to lowering demand

Or OPEC chooses to keep pumping what they currently pump
out of the ground and the price slumps due to the oversupply.

But they can't keep pumping at very low prices,

Never said anything about very low prices.

The price of Oil is pretty low at the as petrol, and deisel
become less importaint the price will have to drop

Nope, OPEC is free to do what it likes extraction
rate wise to keep the price anywhere they like.

especailly as oil gets harder to extract.

Must be why its lower currently.

it cost money to extract the oilo and turn it into usable fuel
and then you have to distibut it which all ads to the costs.

Irrelevant to whether it will increase in price with more electric cars.

very relivant as thats' what helps set the price.

Nope. What sets the price is the rate its extracted.

it happens and has happend.

So have price slumps when demand drops too.

demand tents to go up as prices fall
unless their is a cheaper alternative.

Plenty of the time demand is actually determined by other things.

Such as what ?

By how much people use their cars, stupid.

It you get free electric

That will never happen.

It'll be freeer than oil.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

the oil companies will start losing money

Just another silly little fantasy.

It;'s already happening.

Nope.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...-a7507016.html

Just another ****wit journo who has never had a ****ing clue.

and as a lot of pensions of invested in such companies....
swaping electricity for oil will will cause future problems
for investmetns and pensions. eventually they;ll, have to
start charging for charging :-)

They wont ever stop doing that.

They'll have to do it for well above cost price.

Duh.

But they may stay if they start selling other stuff.

But they are much smaller than normal supermarkets,
and most have to keep using normal supermarkets
anyway. so there may well be very little potential
to sell much 'other stuff'

Unless you offer free 1/2 hour charging while people shop.

They still have **** all to buy compared with a supermarket
and there is no reason why the supermarket cant do that
and they have the much bigger shop to pay for that.

Yes and that's whats been happening so again oil companies losing out.

Nope, they are doing fine.

What always happens in that situation is that the
least profitable go bust and the remaining sales
volume is supplied by fewer petrol stations.

So with fewer stations what effect will that have ?

Nothing when that is due to a lower
demand due to more electric cars.

If no opnes using them

Plenty will be using them, the 70% that havent
been stupid enough to get an electric car.

then why staff them.

For the 70% who havent been stupid enough to get an electric car.

A friends of my brothers lost his job when the petrol station
he worked at couldn;t make a profit from selling enough
fuel they closed it. And that was 10 years ago.

Hardly surprising given the big drop in petrol stations.

Still plenty to use if you need to fill your car with petrol.

We're seeing that right now with DVD rental operations
as more and more use operations like Netflix, the least
profitable of the physical renters just go bust.

Yes so like the DVD industry they'll have
to find new ways of making money.

The rental operations dont do that, they just go broke.

Or change.

Nope, **** all did that, they just went broke. Same
with all those petrol stations that weren't profitable, even
when almost everyone still have petrol, diesel or LPG cars.

Years OK before mobiles lots of peole rented
phones before that most rented TVs & radios.

And those rental operations when broke too.

In the UK we used to pay just one company for all our TV viewing.
Now we can pay sky, netfix, NowTV and whoever else is out there.

None of that goes to the operations that used
to rent out the DVDs. they just go broke.

Thats what will happen with the least profitable petrol stations too.

And has done in droves already.

In teh USA some are paying mulitple provioders for the same
service because they want one unigue feature of that service.

Irrelevant to what happened to the DVD rental operations, they went
broke.

People still 'rent' though they just don;lt know it, they pay a
subscription.

And the rental operations went broke.

One option might be to go electric and have
a suoperfast charging system in the future.

Easier said than done given the massive demand on the
mains and nowhere to park the car while its being charged.

What about dis-used pertol stations use the
tanks for lithium battery storage for fast charge

Nowhere near big enough for that. Look at the energy
density of any battery compared with petrol sometime.

I have done

Like hell you have with an electric car.

and it's doable.

Like hell it is with an electric car.

If it was, someone would have done it for the very
fast charging given that the recharge time is one
of the massive downsides with electric cars.

They havent, it isnt feasible.

or perhaps even large capacitors

Still nothing even remotely like the energy density of petrol.

Deosn;t matter

Corse it does if you want to put the caps where the old petrol tanks are.

if we go electric the energy density of petrol
becomes meaningless if yuove no tank in your car.

Even sillier than you usually manage with your hare brained
scheme of replacing the old petrol tanks in the old service
stations turned into recharging stations. They wont fit.

that are trickle charged (where tricle is standard fast
charge) a capacitor could dunmp 100s of amps down
a cable for 3 mins or so to charge a car,

Batterys cant be charged like that.

You're an expert on battery chargers are you.

Dont need to be. If it was feasible, someone would be doing it like
that given that the recharge time of electric cars is one of the massive
downsides with them compared with petrol, diesel and LPG cars

but they would require a fast charge port due to cable capacities.

You'd still need a massive 11KV supply to the old service station.

So, that's less power than my two bed flat supply capability.

Like hell it is if you want to recharge all those electric
cars in seconds from a massive great bank of caps that
wont even fit where the old petrol tanks used to be.

The energy that gets put in the cars has to get
to the service station somehow. Basic physics.

we have a thing called the national grid here
and most petrol stations are already on it.

And NONE of the existing petrol stations have anything
even remotely like a substantial enough connection to
the national grid to allow them to charge those caps
that wont even fit where the old petrol tanks used to
be, to recharge all those cars in seconds in your
pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasy.

Thats already happened here, some intersections even had
4 gas stations, one on every ****ing corner. That doesnt
happen now and there are still plenty when you need one.

and we're not even close to 30% electric cars.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...pay-tanks.html

Just 8,600 forecourts left in the UK, down from 37,500 in 1970

Still plenty when you need one.

Because they are still profitable

The worst of them arent.

reduce the number of cars using them and then what ?

The least profitable go broke and there
are still plenty when you need one.

Even if say 30% go broke, there are still
70% that havent, plenty when you need one.

In the UK it might be ok provided you set
out with a full tank but this was in america.

You dont have any problem finding one to fill your car with there either.

It's the exact reverse of why people aren't buying electric
vehicals no where to charge them conviently for the majority.

Nope, the reason only fools like harry buy them is because
their range is ****ed and the prices of them are stupid.

That will change

Nope.

and I've seen quite a large number of hybrides.

Only because they dont have to pay the congestion charge.

Most can charge them at home.

Most can't.

Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage,
and thats saying something. If they cant, they wont be buy
an electric car that they can't charge at home. No one is going
to fart around twiddling their thumbs for half a ****ing hour
away from home every single ****ing day.

And as most peole live in cities without their own garage or two.

Dont need a garage to plug your car in where its parked.

Read mo
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4p3lRkf7n

Now do we have more or less cars on the road that we did in 1970 ?

The system clearly managed to handle that massive drop in the number
of petrol stations fine and would do even with 30% of electric cars.

Thats not what those in the industry are predicting.

Only the pig ignorant fools who dont have a ****ing clue.

IMO there wont ever be 30% electric cars anyway,

Why wonlt there be ?

The range is ****ed and the price is stupid.

Those things are changing.

Nope.

Even have formula E racing.

And the price is even more ****ed with those.

its just the usual utterly silly political bull****. The voters
arent actually stupid enough to wear a ban on petrol,
diesel and LPG cars, they will give any political party
actually stupid enough to go that route the bums rush
at the ballot box and even the stupidest polly knows that.

Who the **** is stupid enough to vote for a party that will tax them ?

Thats the only way to pay for what they want govt to do.

No this was the american oil industry
working out how to maiantain it's profits,

They were never stupid enough to propose
banning petrol, diesel and LPG cars.

On 07/08/2017 10:23, whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 4 August 2017 18:26:26 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, 1 August 2017 18:42:43 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:
In 20 years time, hybrids will likely be the norm with no legislation
at
all.

with small batteries and large fuel tanks - agreed

but it is big batteries and small fuel tanks that are required to have
a
noticeable effect on their emissions

Won't make any difference - unless you charge them externally? Of course
if electricity is cheaper than petrol most will when they can. But I'd
guess things will change when most cars are electric.

I was listening to a podcast where they were looking at what could
happen in the USA when 30% of the cars become electric, in that gas
stations won;t be able to survive with the drop in revenue due to less
car requiring gas and the pumps would close making it difficult to
relibely find a gas station when you need one like you can now.

What would actually happen is that the least profitable of the
gas stations would indeed close, but there would still be plenty
left to supply the remaining 70% of cars that use gas.

Until they increased their prices do to lowering demand it happens and has happend. But they may stay if they start selling other stuff. One option might be to go electric and have a suoperfast charging system in the future.



Thats already happened here, some intersections even had
4 gas stations, one on every ****ing corner. That doesnt
happen now and there are still plenty when you need one.

and we're not even close to 30% electric cars.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...pay-tanks.html


Just 8,600 forecourts left in the UK, down from 37,500 in 1970

Read mo http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4p3lRkf7n

Now do we have more or less cars on the road that we did in 1970 ?

So now I only have 9 petrol stations within about 3 miles of home,
instead of a 13 or 14 - however they are all larger. The nearest one has
4 double-sided pumps, instead of 2 single pumps and an attendant. The
others all have similarly increased pump numbers and a supermaket
station with 10 double-sided pumps has been added.

The number of available pumps has massively increased.

There may be fewer in some places, but that is less important as cars do
many more miles between refills these days and most people longer
journeys on a regular basis and can fill up while they are out and
about, even if they can't locally.

SteveW

On Tuesday, 8 August 2017 19:52:03 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
tim... wrote

In 20 years time, hybrids will likely be
the norm with no legislation at all.

Dont believe that.

I never said that.

Never said you did.

So why include it.


The price of Oil is pretty low at the as petrol, and deisel
become less importaint the price will have to drop

Nope, OPEC is free to do what it likes extraction
rate wise to keep the price anywhere they like.

OPEC isnlt the only oil supplier to the world.




especailly as oil gets harder to extract.

Must be why its lower currently.

It;s lower because the demand is lower than it was and more countries are selling oil.



it cost money to extract the oilo and turn it into usable fuel
and then you have to distibut it which all ads to the costs.

Irrelevant to whether it will increase in price with more electric cars.

very relivant as thats' what helps set the price.

Nope. What sets the price is the rate its extracted.

That sets the selling price but it doesn't mean the consumer will buy it at that price.



Plenty of the time demand is actually determined by other things.

Such as what ?

By how much people use their cars, stupid.

Peolpe use their cars less as the price goes up they don't use their cars more stupid. When it;s cheaper to use electric than petrol then they wonlt be going to the pumps to fill up when they can get electricity cheaper.




the oil companies will start losing money

Just another silly little fantasy.

It;'s already happening.

Nope.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...-a7507016.html

Just another ****wit journo who has never had a ****ing clue.

But he still has far more of a clue than you.




But they may stay if they start selling other stuff.

But they are much smaller than normal supermarkets,
and most have to keep using normal supermarkets
anyway. so there may well be very little potential
to sell much 'other stuff'

Unless you offer free 1/2 hour charging while people shop.

They still have **** all to buy compared with a supermarket
and there is no reason why the supermarket cant do that
and they have the much bigger shop to pay for that.

Yes and that's whats been happening so again oil companies losing out.

Nope, they are doing fine.

No they aren't they are quite worried for the future unless they can find cheaper ways of extracting oil that is getting harder to get to.


Nothing when that is due to a lower
demand due to more electric cars.

If no ones using them

Plenty will be using them, the 70% that havent
been stupid enough to get an electric car.

They'll find it harder to cope with a 30% drop in sales same as any other company.



A friends of my brothers lost his job when the petrol station
he worked at couldn;t make a profit from selling enough
fuel they closed it. And that was 10 years ago.

Hardly surprising given the big drop in petrol stations.

why was there a big drop in petrol stations ?



Still plenty to use if you need to fill your car with petrol.

What if you don't need to fill your car with petrol ?

Last week the boxes that were origianlly for storing coal in my back garden were removed haven;t seen any coal deliveries for quite some time.
So what happened to all those horses and carts that used to deliver coal ?
Why don't I see the coal lorry coming down the road like I used to as a kid ?

What happened to kodak and poleriod ? more oictures were taken last year than in the previous century.



Yes so like the DVD industry they'll have
to find new ways of making money.

The rental operations dont do that, they just go broke.

Or change.

Nope, **** all did that, they just went broke. Same
with all those petrol stations that weren't profitable, even
when almost everyone still have petrol, diesel or LPG cars.

People still have DVD players I have two and another 2 DVD drives in computers.


Years OK before mobiles lots of peole rented
phones before that most rented TVs & radios.

And those rental operations when broke too.

Yes like the pertol stations.




And the rental operations went broke.

Why did they go broke plenty of people have DVD players.
Most PC users still buy PCS with DVD players.
Maybe you should start buying floopy discs again.


Nowhere near big enough for that. Look at the energy
density of any battery compared with petrol sometime.

I have done

Like hell you have with an electric car.

If you can charge an electric car from a home supply you could charge it at a pertrol station.


and it's doable.

Like hell it is with an electric car.

You don't know how to charge an electric car do you.

If it was, someone would have done it for the very
fast charging given that the recharge time is one
of the massive downsides with electric cars.

It;s not worth it until more peolple need or want faster charging.

https://chargemasterplc.com/products...SAAEgJSU_D_BwE

Charges most vehicles to 80% in only 30 minutes.
amnd that's whats avialible today.

But the other option is a battery swap.



They havent, it isnt feasible.

It will be.
Remmebr when it wasn;t feesable for man to travel faster than a horse, we wouldn't be able to breathe, and man will never fly.



or perhaps even large capacitors

Still nothing even remotely like the energy density of petrol.

Deosn;t matter

Corse it does if you want to put the caps where the old petrol tanks are.

Capacitors store energy like petrol pumps did, and rather than have atanker turn up every week or month you have a costant 3 phase supply tricle charging the batteries.


if we go electric the energy density of petrol
becomes meaningless if yuove no tank in your car.

Even sillier than you usually manage with your hare brained
scheme of replacing the old petrol tanks in the old service
stations turned into recharging stations. They wont fit.

Batteries can be made to fit anywhere even in the bottom of a 8mm thick phone.


that are trickle charged (where tricle is standard fast
charge) a capacitor could dunmp 100s of amps down
a cable for 3 mins or so to charge a car,

Batterys cant be charged like that.

You're an expert on battery chargers are you.

Dont need to be. If it was feasible, someone would be doing it like
that given that the recharge time of electric cars is one of the massive
downsides with them compared with petrol, diesel and LPG cars

which is why they are working on it.
But you have little understandiong of this, and we heare are investing more money in power elctronic as studetns from all coiuntries need to understand power not everything can run of AA batteries.

Ther;e be more quadcopters too they'll need fast charging it will be quite a new expanding indistry and places that day 3 hours to charge you car will be bypassed by those that can do it in 30 mins and less.



but they would require a fast charge port due to cable capacities.

You'd still need a massive 11KV supply to the old service station.

So, that's less power than my two bed flat supply capability.

Like hell it is if you want to recharge all those electric
cars in seconds from a massive great bank of caps that
wont even fit where the old petrol tanks used to be.

How did you work that out ?



The energy that gets put in the cars has to get
to the service station somehow. Basic physics.

we have a thing called the national grid here
and most petrol stations are already on it.

And NONE of the existing petrol stations have anything
even remotely like a substantial enough connection to
the national grid to allow them to charge those caps
that wont even fit where the old petrol tanks used to
be, to recharge all those cars in seconds in your
pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasy.

clueless aren't you.
Beorre the petrol stations were ther ethere was no way of storing such large amounts of fuel and delivering it to cars.
Some genous thought about putting large tankls under treh pertol station and using that to store the pertol, it's not store in the pump.



Just 8,600 forecourts left in the UK, down from 37,500 in 1970

Still plenty when you need one.

Because they are still profitable

The worst of them arent.

In the UK it might be ok provided you set
out with a full tank but this was in america.

You dont have any problem finding one to fill your car with there either.

Not presently has there a loads of them but getting less by the day.


and I've seen quite a large number of hybrides.

Only because they dont have to pay the congestion charge.

Amonst other reason some countries don't have a congestion charge.

You donl;t think volvo are goign all electric just because of the congestion charge do you ? Do yuo also think the Tesla cars are made because of the congestion charge ?



Most can charge them at home.

Most can't.

Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage,
and thats saying something. If they cant, they wont be buy
an electric car that they can't charge at home.

Why not they can;t fill their ****ing car up with petro, at homne can they you idiot.

No one is going
to fart around twiddling their thumbs for half a ****ing hour
away from home every single ****ing day.

they don;t need to charge everyday and if petrol station upgrade to charging then even 1/2 hour won't be too long as most people at service station spend time and money there.


And as most peole live in cities without their own garage or two.

Dont need a garage to plug your car in where its parked.

Depends how much space you have, some can't even park outside their own home,
and until you can be guarentied that they wonlt buy a totally electric car but will condider a hybrid as they have been doing.


IMO there wont ever be 30% electric cars anyway,

Why wonlt there be ?

The range is ****ed and the price is stupid.

Those things are changing.

Nope.

Yes they are.


Even have formula E racing.

And the price is even more ****ed with those.

What price is ****ed.

On Tuesday, 8 August 2017 22:57:09 UTC+1, Steve Walker wrote:

So now I only have 9 petrol stations within about 3 miles of home,
instead of a 13 or 14 - however they are all larger. The nearest one has
4 double-sided pumps, instead of 2 single pumps and an attendant. The
others all have similarly increased pump numbers and a supermaket
station with 10 double-sided pumps has been added.

The number of available pumps has massively increased.

And that is because of demand of the recent past.
No one has everer minded driving to such a place to refuel, but supose you could refuel at home would you do so ?


There may be fewer in some places, but that is less important as cars do
many more miles between refills these days and most people longer
journeys on a regular basis and can fill up while they are out and
about, even if they can't locally.

But in theroy with electric you could 'fill' up almost anywhere, you could fill up while at the pub or at a friends. If there were a point in the car park of the care home my mums in then I could charge there, you could have charge points at macdonalds or at football staduims, you could even charge while driving if underground charging stations were put in or you had a solar panel on the top of the car for trickle charging. You could charge up while at the supermarket, no need to go to a pump.
or charge up while at the cinema, resturant, brothel, opera or whetever, soon it'll seem rather stupid driving to a specal place just to refuel when you could be doing something esle.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, 8 August 2017 19:52:03 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
tim... wrote

In 20 years time, hybrids will likely be
the norm with no legislation at all.

Dont believe that.

I never said that.

Never said you did.

So why include it.

Because I felt like it, stupid.

The price of Oil is pretty low at the as petrol, and deisel
become less importaint the price will have to drop

Nope, OPEC is free to do what it likes extraction
rate wise to keep the price anywhere they like.

OPEC isnlt the only oil supplier to the world.

They do however mostly determine the price at which crude is transacted.

especailly as oil gets harder to extract.

Must be why its lower currently.

It;s lower because the demand is lower than it was

Nope.

and more countries are selling oil.

Nope, because OPEC has decided to keep extracting it at a high rate.

none of the rest of your even sillier **** worth
bothering with, all flushed where it belongs

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, 8 August 2017 22:57:09 UTC+1, Steve Walker wrote:

So now I only have 9 petrol stations within about 3 miles of home,
instead of a 13 or 14 - however they are all larger. The nearest one has
4 double-sided pumps, instead of 2 single pumps and an attendant. The
others all have similarly increased pump numbers and a supermaket
station with 10 double-sided pumps has been added.

The number of available pumps has massively increased.

And that is because of demand of the recent past.
No one has everer minded driving to such a place to refuel, but supose you
could refuel at home would you do so ?


There may be fewer in some places, but that is less important as cars do
many more miles between refills these days and most people longer
journeys on a regular basis and can fill up while they are out and
about, even if they can't locally.

But in theroy with electric you could 'fill' up almost anywhere, you could
fill up while at the pub or at a friends. If there were a point in the car
park of the care home my mums in then I could charge there, you could have
charge points at macdonalds or at football staduims, you could even charge
while driving if underground charging stations were put in or you had a
solar panel on the top of the car for trickle charging. You could charge
up while at the supermarket, no need to go to a pump.
or charge up while at the cinema, resturant, brothel, opera or whetever,
soon it'll seem rather stupid driving to a specal place just to refuel
when you could be doing something esle.

And hardly anyone would actually be stupid enough to fart around
like that instead of filling the car in a minute or two from the petrol
pump every week or two.

On Wednesday, 9 August 2017 21:11:49 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, 8 August 2017 22:57:09 UTC+1, Steve Walker wrote:

So now I only have 9 petrol stations within about 3 miles of home,
instead of a 13 or 14 - however they are all larger. The nearest one has
4 double-sided pumps, instead of 2 single pumps and an attendant. The
others all have similarly increased pump numbers and a supermaket
station with 10 double-sided pumps has been added.

The number of available pumps has massively increased.

And that is because of demand of the recent past.
No one has everer minded driving to such a place to refuel, but supose you
could refuel at home would you do so ?


There may be fewer in some places, but that is less important as cars do
many more miles between refills these days and most people longer
journeys on a regular basis and can fill up while they are out and
about, even if they can't locally.

But in theroy with electric you could 'fill' up almost anywhere, you could
fill up while at the pub or at a friends. If there were a point in the car
park of the care home my mums in then I could charge there, you could have
charge points at macdonalds or at football staduims, you could even charge
while driving if underground charging stations were put in or you had a
solar panel on the top of the car for trickle charging. You could charge
up while at the supermarket, no need to go to a pump.
or charge up while at the cinema, resturant, brothel, opera or whetever,
soon it'll seem rather stupid driving to a specal place just to refuel
when you could be doing something esle.

And hardly anyone would actually be stupid enough to fart around
like that instead of filling the car in a minute or two from the petrol
pump every week or two.

Yes they would if they could have a meal or see a film for free while filling their car with 300 miles worth of fuel.
After all they pay extar for food when they shop at a garage and still have to pay for the fuel why don't they first go to a standard cheaper shop ?

whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Steve Walker wrote

So now I only have 9 petrol stations within about 3 miles of home,
instead of a 13 or 14 - however they are all larger. The nearest one
has
4 double-sided pumps, instead of 2 single pumps and an attendant. The
others all have similarly increased pump numbers and a supermaket
station with 10 double-sided pumps has been added.

The number of available pumps has massively increased.

And that is because of demand of the recent past.
No one has everer minded driving to such a place to refuel,
but supose you could refuel at home would you do so ?

There may be fewer in some places, but that is less important
as cars do many more miles between refills these days and
most people longer journeys on a regular basis and can fill
up while they are out and about, even if they can't locally.

But in theroy with electric you could 'fill' up almost anywhere, you
could
fill up while at the pub or at a friends. If there were a point in the
car
park of the care home my mums in then I could charge there, you could
have
charge points at macdonalds or at football staduims, you could even
charge
while driving if underground charging stations were put in or you had a
solar panel on the top of the car for trickle charging. You could charge
up while at the supermarket, no need to go to a pump.
or charge up while at the cinema, resturant, brothel, opera or whetever,
soon it'll seem rather stupid driving to a specal place just to refuel
when you could be doing something esle.

And hardly anyone would actually be stupid enough to
fart around like that instead of filling the car in a minute
or two from the petrol pump every week or two.

Yes they would if they could have a meal or see a film
for free while filling their car with 300 miles worth of fuel.

You can have a meal now, and see a film for free without
bothering to leave the house and its a very expensive
electric car that can do 300 miles on a single charge in
winter when when you need heating or even in summer.

After all they pay extar for food when they shop
at a garage and still have to pay for the fuel why
don't they first go to a standard cheaper shop ?

Most do. **** all buy much food at the garage.