Tried to cut through the truncks of a couple of Leylandii today. I had
previously had sawed throught the upper supplementary trunks. The Chainsaw
wouldn't make much headway - it gave up before getting within a couple of
inches of the middle wherever it was tried. Tried 2 saws - never used one
before not able to kudge on the blade sharpness.

Is it normal for Leylanii to fight back like this?

On 27/07/17 18:08, DerbyBorn wrote:
Tried to cut through the truncks of a couple of Leylandii today. I had
previously had sawed throught the upper supplementary trunks. The Chainsaw
wouldn't make much headway - it gave up before getting within a couple of
inches of the middle wherever it was tried. Tried 2 saws - never used one
before not able to kudge on the blade sharpness.

Is it normal for Leylanii to fight back like this?

yes, cut wedge sections out

And sharpen the blades.

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This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and
all women"

On 27/07/2017 18:08, DerbyBorn wrote:
Tried to cut through the truncks of a couple of Leylandii today. I had
previously had sawed throught the upper supplementary trunks. The Chainsaw
wouldn't make much headway - it gave up before getting within a couple of
inches of the middle wherever it was tried. Tried 2 saws - never used one
before not able to kudge on the blade sharpness.

Is it normal for Leylanii to fight back like this?

IME if the wood is hard and sappy then it needs a good sharp chain and
plenty of lubrication to make sure it does not bind up...

So check the oiling on the saw it working as expected (if you spin it up
/ rev it with the nose close to a flat surface you should see a fine
spray of bar oil on the surface)

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On 27/07/2017 18:08, DerbyBorn wrote:
Tried to cut through the truncks of a couple of Leylandii today. I had
previously had sawed throught the upper supplementary trunks. The Chainsaw
wouldn't make much headway - it gave up before getting within a couple of
inches of the middle wherever it was tried. Tried 2 saws - never used one
before not able to kudge on the blade sharpness.

Is it normal for Leylanii to fight back like this?

Chains need to be sharpened regularly with the correct size and shape
file (I don't know what "kudge" means) and the saw will need the oil
topping up. There are safe and unsafe ways to use a chainsaw so take
care, and use at least some of the appropriate safety gear.

On 7/27/2017 6:08 PM, DerbyBorn wrote:
Tried to cut through the truncks of a couple of Leylandii today. I had
previously had sawed throught the upper supplementary trunks. The Chainsaw
wouldn't make much headway - it gave up before getting within a couple of
inches of the middle wherever it was tried. Tried 2 saws - never used one
before not able to kudge on the blade sharpness.

I've taken down a few Leylandii using a medium-sized bow-saw. Took time,
but wasn't all that difficult.

On 27/07/2017 18:08, DerbyBorn wrote:
Tried to cut through the truncks of a couple of Leylandii today. I had
previously had sawed throught the upper supplementary trunks. The Chainsaw
wouldn't make much headway - it gave up before getting within a couple of
inches of the middle wherever it was tried. Tried 2 saws - never used one
before not able to kudge on the blade sharpness.

Is it normal for Leylanii to fight back like this?


What is the diameter of the tree trunk and what steps have you taken to
ensure that the tree falls the right way?

Maybe cut a V on the side you want it to fall. Attach a rope higher up
then have some one pull the tree as you cut from the other size. If you
stop cutting just before you get to the V you should then be able to
pull the tree over being sure of the direction of fall.


--
Michael Chare

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On 27/07/2017 18:08, DerbyBorn wrote:
Tried to cut through the truncks of a couple of Leylandii today. I
had previously had sawed throught the upper supplementary trunks. The
Chainsaw wouldn't make much headway - it gave up before getting
within a couple of inches of the middle wherever it was tried. Tried
2 saws - never used one before not able to kudge on the blade
sharpness.

Is it normal for Leylanii to fight back like this?

Chains need to be sharpened regularly with the correct size and shape
file (I don't know what "kudge" means) and the saw will need the oil
topping up. There are safe and unsafe ways to use a chainsaw so take
care, and use at least some of the appropriate safety gear.


Typo "Judge"

They are 18 inch high stumps. I used a hand saw but now want to go lower
and through the main trunk.

On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 20:08:23 GMT, DerbyBorn
wrote:





They are 18 inch high stumps. I used a hand saw but now want to go lower
and through the main trunk.

Are these now old stumps (where the wood would have dried out a bit)?

Cheers, T i m

They are very sticky in the sap department. I hate the things. Not tried a
chain saw those things frightened me even when I could see. How big is it
Brian

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Tried to cut through the truncks of a couple of Leylandii today. I had
previously had sawed throught the upper supplementary trunks. The Chainsaw
wouldn't make much headway - it gave up before getting within a couple of
inches of the middle wherever it was tried. Tried 2 saws - never used one
before not able to kudge on the blade sharpness.

Is it normal for Leylanii to fight back like this?

I was just thinking if it was tall the problem is going to be its trying to
fall toward you pressing on the saw. If you cut wedges out onelow and one
high on either side then give it a push toward the lower one, it tends to
fall that way, I say tends because cutting down trees is not always a
precise job and one has had an occasional busted greenhouse when things hav
gone the wrong way. I now leave tress to fellers. Not that I have any left.
Brian

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On 27/07/17 18:08, DerbyBorn wrote:
Tried to cut through the truncks of a couple of Leylandii today. I had
previously had sawed throught the upper supplementary trunks. The
Chainsaw
wouldn't make much headway - it gave up before getting within a couple of
inches of the middle wherever it was tried. Tried 2 saws - never used one
before not able to kudge on the blade sharpness.

Is it normal for Leylanii to fight back like this?

yes, cut wedge sections out

And sharpen the blades.

--
"I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently.
This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and
all women"

On 28/07/2017 07:38, Brian Gaff wrote:
I was just thinking if it was tall the problem is going to be its trying to
fall toward you pressing on the saw. If you cut wedges out onelow and one
high on either side then give it a push toward the lower one, it tends to
fall that way, I say tends because cutting down trees is not always a
precise job and one has had an occasional busted greenhouse when things hav
gone the wrong way. I now leave tress to fellers. Not that I have any left.
Brian

Speaking of precision tree felling this is the best I've ever seen or am
ever likely to see:

https://youtu.be/dcMtoiU3Eec?t=1m0s


--
James Harris

On 28/07/2017 08:02, James Harris wrote:
On 28/07/2017 07:38, Brian Gaff wrote:
I was just thinking if it was tall the problem is going to be its
trying to
fall toward you pressing on the saw. If you cut wedges out onelow and one
high on either side then give it a push toward the lower one, it
tends to
fall that way, I say tends because cutting down trees is not always a
precise job and one has had an occasional busted greenhouse when
things hav
gone the wrong way. I now leave tress to fellers. Not that I have any
left.
Brian

Speaking of precision tree felling this is the best I've ever seen or am
ever likely to see:

https://youtu.be/dcMtoiU3Eec?t=1m0s



That was remarkable, but I suppose the 500 other cases they did where
the house got smashed don't end up on youtube.

James Harris wrote:

Speaking of precision tree felling this is the best I've ever seen or am
ever likely to see:

https://youtu.be/dcMtoiU3Eec?t=1m0s

Knew what that was going to be ...

On 28/07/2017 08:55, Andy Burns wrote:
James Harris wrote:

Speaking of precision tree felling this is the best I've ever seen or am
ever likely to see:

https://youtu.be/dcMtoiU3Eec?t=1m0s

Knew what that was going to be ...

It's bound to be well known. Unfortunately, that one has some stupid
music which I didn't notice when I posted it as I had the sound turned
off. IIRC there is a version where one hears the sound of the tree
instead of Bobby Blue and his Kentucky rag - or whatever it was.


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On 28/07/2017 10:12, Huge wrote:
On 2017-07-28, Andy Burns wrote:
James Harris wrote:

Speaking of precision tree felling this is the best I've ever seen or am
ever likely to see:

https://youtu.be/dcMtoiU3Eec?t=1m0s

Knew what that was going to be ...

Me too ...

Someone locally has a Cedar of Lebanon in the front garden of a tiny
Victorian terraced "cottage". The damn thing is now way bigger than
the house.



We had a big fir tree removed in our front garden. The tree fellers
(there were three of them, actually!) cut bits off the top and did it in
stages. But perhaps the US guys wanted the wood in a big chunk?

T i m wrote in news:l9jkncpiq96qg6fkl916i58ivav3bea3md@
4ax.com:

On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 20:08:23 GMT, DerbyBorn
wrote:





They are 18 inch high stumps. I used a hand saw but now want to go lower
and through the main trunk.

Are these now old stumps (where the wood would have dried out a bit)?

Cheers, T i m


No - only took the tops off 2 weeks ago.

"Brian Gaff" wrote in
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I was just thinking if it was tall the problem is going to be its
trying to fall toward you pressing on the saw. If you cut wedges out
onelow and one high on either side then give it a push toward the
lower one, it tends to fall that way, I say tends because cutting
down trees is not always a precise job and one has had an occasional
busted greenhouse when things hav gone the wrong way. I now leave
tress to fellers. Not that I have any left.
Brian


Probably about a foot to 18inches in diameter near the ground. All the
auxiliary branches were removed with a hand saw. I want to cut it as flush
as possible to the ground as the neighbour doesn't appreciate the stump. He
tried to help - but also gave up.

On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 17:04:58 +0000, DerbyBorn wrote:

"Brian Gaff" wrote in
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I was just thinking if it was tall the problem is going to be its
trying to fall toward you pressing on the saw. If you cut wedges out
onelow and one high on either side then give it a push toward the lower
one, it tends to fall that way, I say tends because cutting down trees
is not always a precise job and one has had an occasional busted
greenhouse when things hav gone the wrong way. I now leave tress to
fellers. Not that I have any left.
Brian


Probably about a foot to 18inches in diameter near the ground. All the
auxiliary branches were removed with a hand saw. I want to cut it as
flush as possible to the ground as the neighbour doesn't appreciate the
stump. He tried to help - but also gave up.

From all you have said it sounds as though the chain needs sharpening.
You will need the correct sized file for this and also need to get the
angle right.

As you sound to be a novice user you may find this difficult so, for what
it would cost, it may be easier for you to simply buy a new chain.

You will not be able to get too close to the ground so an opion is to
trench around the remaining stumps which would enable you to take them
off far closer to/at/just below ground level by a series of cuts all
around the stumps into the centre. The result will be a bit of a hollow
which you can then either light a fire in to burn the rest out or just
backfill.

Whatever you do, wear some proper protective gear and be very careful.

Mark Allread wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 17:04:58 +0000, DerbyBorn wrote:

From all you have said it sounds as though the chain needs sharpening.
You will need the correct sized file for this and also need to get the
angle right.

As you sound to be a novice user you may find this difficult so, for what
it would cost, it may be easier for you to simply buy a new chain.

For my cheapo chainsaw it was a grand total of £10.95 for three new chains.
Seemed a no-brainer to replace than mess around trying to sharpen.

Tim

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On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 17:02:08 GMT, DerbyBorn
wrote:
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Are these now old stumps (where the wood would have dried out a bit)?



No - only took the tops off 2 weeks ago.

Hmm, *should* be a fairly easy cut then. shrug

As already mentioned ... sharp, lubricated, saw engine in good
condition ... wedges if cut under load etc.

Cheers, T i m

On 28/07/2017 07:38, Brian Gaff wrote:
I was just thinking if it was tall the problem is going to be its trying to
fall toward you pressing on the saw. If you cut wedges out onelow and one
high on either side then give it a push toward the lower one, it tends to
fall that way, I say tends because cutting down trees is not always a
precise job and one has had an occasional busted greenhouse when things hav
gone the wrong way. I now leave tress to fellers. Not that I have any left.
Brian


I just used a normal garden spade and sharpened the 'blade' with a
wetstone and then literally chopped off all the side shoots
leaving just the central stump.

I cut that off at 6 foot up and left them for a year, and by then
the soil moisture deficit had been corrected and it was easy to
rock them from side to side and tip them over.

On 27/07/2017 20:22, S Viemeister wrote:
On 7/27/2017 6:08 PM, DerbyBorn wrote:
Tried to cut through the truncks of a couple of Leylandii today. I had
previously had sawed throught the upper supplementary trunks. The
Chainsaw
wouldn't make much headway - it gave up before getting within a couple of
inches of the middle wherever it was tried. Tried 2 saws - never used one
before not able to kudge on the blade sharpness.

I've taken down a few Leylandii using a medium-sized bow-saw. Took time,
but wasn't all that difficult.


+1

I removed all the side branches (*) leaving a foot sticking out
to use a ladder and worked my way up to about 25 feet then
chopped off the top bit, then again 12 feet lower down.

the stump was massive, took some removing even with the rocking
technique.

(*) Blue-Green conifer, not leylandii.