We want some quite small and very simple spring roller blinds. The
size is about 100cm wide and 50cm drop. By 'simple' I mean that we
don't want any sort of clever latching mechanisim in the blind, we
just want to be able to pull it down and hook it at the bottom of the
window with the tension remaining. This is so that they will work on
some non-vertical (boat) windows.

So can anyone suggest a supplier for something like this? All the
'spring roller blinds' I can find have complicated 'latching' spring
mechanisms and we definitely don't want this. I've tried sending a
couple of enquiries to suppliers but they really don't seem to have
much idea what they're selling so I've not had sensible answers.

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Chris Green
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Yes Wilkinsons used to have some but all the ones recently seem to be the
pull down with a cord pull up with a cord type. Maybe the sping ones are
considered a he4ealth risk or something.
Brian

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We want some quite small and very simple spring roller blinds. The
size is about 100cm wide and 50cm drop. By 'simple' I mean that we
don't want any sort of clever latching mechanisim in the blind, we
just want to be able to pull it down and hook it at the bottom of the
window with the tension remaining. This is so that they will work on
some non-vertical (boat) windows.

So can anyone suggest a supplier for something like this? All the
'spring roller blinds' I can find have complicated 'latching' spring
mechanisms and we definitely don't want this. I've tried sending a
couple of enquiries to suppliers but they really don't seem to have
much idea what they're selling so I've not had sensible answers.

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https://www.harmonyblindsofbolton.co.../roller-blinds

have spring roller blinds.

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 16:57:30 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

Yes Wilkinsons used to have some but all the ones recently seem to be
the pull down with a cord pull up with a cord type. Maybe the sping
ones are considered a he4ealth risk or something.
Brian





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Chris Green presented the following explanation :
We want some quite small and very simple spring roller blinds. The
size is about 100cm wide and 50cm drop. By 'simple' I mean that we
don't want any sort of clever latching mechanisim in the blind, we
just want to be able to pull it down and hook it at the bottom of the
window with the tension remaining. This is so that they will work on
some non-vertical (boat) windows.

Have you looked at the blinds fitted to modern caravans?

The one in the front window of mine is larger than that, runs in a
guide at either side, but the guides include a facility to latch them
down at various heights, including full down. Its looks possible to
break the latches off, which you say you do not want. They fully
exclude almost all light.

On 7/17/2017 11:50 AM, Chris Green wrote:
We want some quite small and very simple spring roller blinds. The
size is about 100cm wide and 50cm drop. By 'simple' I mean that we
don't want any sort of clever latching mechanisim in the blind, we
just want to be able to pull it down and hook it at the bottom of the
window with the tension remaining. This is so that they will work on
some non-vertical (boat) windows.

So can anyone suggest a supplier for something like this? All the
'spring roller blinds' I can find have complicated 'latching' spring
mechanisms and we definitely don't want this. I've tried sending a
couple of enquiries to suppliers but they really don't seem to have
much idea what they're selling so I've not had sensible answers.


I guess it might not be all that difficult to disable the latch
mechanism. IIRC the "spring" and the "latch" are physically separate.

You can buy mechanisms without the blind material from John Lewis and
online suppliers.

Bob Eager wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 16:57:30 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

Yes Wilkinsons used to have some but all the ones recently seem to be
the pull down with a cord pull up with a cord type. Maybe the sping
ones are considered a he4ealth risk or something.
Brian

https://www.harmonyblindsofbolton.co.../roller-blinds

have spring roller blinds.

Yes, but they appear to be 'clever' ones and I doubt they'll work in
the way we want them to - maintainig the tension on the blind with it
hooked at the bottom.

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Chris Green
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Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Chris Green presented the following explanation :
We want some quite small and very simple spring roller blinds. The
size is about 100cm wide and 50cm drop. By 'simple' I mean that we
don't want any sort of clever latching mechanisim in the blind, we
just want to be able to pull it down and hook it at the bottom of the
window with the tension remaining. This is so that they will work on
some non-vertical (boat) windows.

Have you looked at the blinds fitted to modern caravans?

The one in the front window of mine is larger than that, runs in a
guide at either side, but the guides include a facility to latch them
down at various heights, including full down. Its looks possible to
break the latches off, which you say you do not want. They fully
exclude almost all light.

They might be what we want. If the latching is simply some hooks in the
guides then that would be OK. Where can I buy them?

--
Chris Green
·

Chris Green wrote:
We want some quite small and very simple spring roller blinds. The
size is about 100cm wide and 50cm drop. By 'simple' I mean that we
don't want any sort of clever latching mechanisim in the blind, we
just want to be able to pull it down and hook it at the bottom of the
window with the tension remaining. This is so that they will work on
some non-vertical (boat) windows.

So can anyone suggest a supplier for something like this? All the
'spring roller blinds' I can find have complicated 'latching' spring
mechanisms and we definitely don't want this. I've tried sending a
couple of enquiries to suppliers but they really don't seem to have
much idea what they're selling so I've not had sensible answers.

I seem to remember reading about some flat headed brat managing to hang
himself on these sort of blinds.

newshound wrote:
On 7/17/2017 11:50 AM, Chris Green wrote:
We want some quite small and very simple spring roller blinds. The
size is about 100cm wide and 50cm drop. By 'simple' I mean that we
don't want any sort of clever latching mechanisim in the blind, we
just want to be able to pull it down and hook it at the bottom of the
window with the tension remaining. This is so that they will work on
some non-vertical (boat) windows.

So can anyone suggest a supplier for something like this? All the
'spring roller blinds' I can find have complicated 'latching' spring
mechanisms and we definitely don't want this. I've tried sending a
couple of enquiries to suppliers but they really don't seem to have
much idea what they're selling so I've not had sensible answers.


I guess it might not be all that difficult to disable the latch
mechanism. IIRC the "spring" and the "latch" are physically separate.

You can buy mechanisms without the blind material from John Lewis and
online suppliers.

Well the John Lewis ones are stupidly expensive though, they *start*
at almost £100, that's ridiculous!

--
Chris Green
·

On 7/17/2017 9:38 PM, Chris Green wrote:
newshound wrote:
On 7/17/2017 11:50 AM, Chris Green wrote:
We want some quite small and very simple spring roller blinds. The
size is about 100cm wide and 50cm drop. By 'simple' I mean that we
don't want any sort of clever latching mechanisim in the blind, we
just want to be able to pull it down and hook it at the bottom of the
window with the tension remaining. This is so that they will work on
some non-vertical (boat) windows.

So can anyone suggest a supplier for something like this? All the
'spring roller blinds' I can find have complicated 'latching' spring
mechanisms and we definitely don't want this. I've tried sending a
couple of enquiries to suppliers but they really don't seem to have
much idea what they're selling so I've not had sensible answers.


I guess it might not be all that difficult to disable the latch
mechanism. IIRC the "spring" and the "latch" are physically separate.

You can buy mechanisms without the blind material from John Lewis and
online suppliers.

Well the John Lewis ones are stupidly expensive though, they *start*
at almost £100, that's ridiculous!

They weren't the last time I bought a couple (admittedly that was some
years ago).

On 7/17/2017 9:34 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Chris Green wrote:
We want some quite small and very simple spring roller blinds. The
size is about 100cm wide and 50cm drop. By 'simple' I mean that we
don't want any sort of clever latching mechanisim in the blind, we
just want to be able to pull it down and hook it at the bottom of the
window with the tension remaining. This is so that they will work on
some non-vertical (boat) windows.

So can anyone suggest a supplier for something like this? All the
'spring roller blinds' I can find have complicated 'latching' spring
mechanisms and we definitely don't want this. I've tried sending a
couple of enquiries to suppliers but they really don't seem to have
much idea what they're selling so I've not had sensible answers.

I seem to remember reading about some flat headed brat managing to hang
himself on these sort of blinds.




I suspect that was a wind-up, wind-down type. I have seen these in the
past with relatively strong cords, current ones seem to use the "click
together" plastic beads which have much lower tensile strength.

Chris Green laid this down on his screen :
They might be what we want. If the latching is simply some hooks in the
guides then that would be OK. Where can I buy them?

A caravan dealer and or repairer will be the place to track down a
source. Mine have two guide slots, one for the blind a second for a fly
screen.

newshound wrote:
On 7/17/2017 9:38 PM, Chris Green wrote:
newshound wrote:
On 7/17/2017 11:50 AM, Chris Green wrote:
We want some quite small and very simple spring roller blinds. The
size is about 100cm wide and 50cm drop. By 'simple' I mean that we
don't want any sort of clever latching mechanisim in the blind, we
just want to be able to pull it down and hook it at the bottom of the
window with the tension remaining. This is so that they will work on
some non-vertical (boat) windows.

So can anyone suggest a supplier for something like this? All the
'spring roller blinds' I can find have complicated 'latching' spring
mechanisms and we definitely don't want this. I've tried sending a
couple of enquiries to suppliers but they really don't seem to have
much idea what they're selling so I've not had sensible answers.


I guess it might not be all that difficult to disable the latch
mechanism. IIRC the "spring" and the "latch" are physically separate.

You can buy mechanisms without the blind material from John Lewis and
online suppliers.

Well the John Lewis ones are stupidly expensive though, they *start*
at almost £100, that's ridiculous!

They weren't the last time I bought a couple (admittedly that was some
years ago).

The add-on spring mechanisms are £9 (but nearly all the cusotmer
reviews are very negative) but the blinds they go with all seem to be
in the £100 plus price range.

--
Chris Green
·

Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Chris Green wrote:
We want some quite small and very simple spring roller blinds. The
size is about 100cm wide and 50cm drop. By 'simple' I mean that we
don't want any sort of clever latching mechanisim in the blind, we
just want to be able to pull it down and hook it at the bottom of the
window with the tension remaining. This is so that they will work on
some non-vertical (boat) windows.

So can anyone suggest a supplier for something like this? All the
'spring roller blinds' I can find have complicated 'latching' spring
mechanisms and we definitely don't want this. I've tried sending a
couple of enquiries to suppliers but they really don't seem to have
much idea what they're selling so I've not had sensible answers.

I seem to remember reading about some flat headed brat managing to hang
himself on these sort of blinds.

It's the 'other way around' I think, all the blind manufacturers are
paranoid about children hanging themselves on the standard roller
blind chain. The 'automatic' and 'spring' versions don't have the
chain so there's nothing for the child to hang themselves on. Most
seem to suggest having a stick with a hook on the end for raising and
lowering the blind. The automatic/spring blinds are advertised as
child-safe.

Our problem is really that we want something really simple as these
are small blinds in easy reach (boat roof/ceiling is only just over
6ft from floor) so they can simply be pulled down my hand pulling on
the bottom of the blind (no string or long stick needed) and can be
held down by a hook (also in easy reach of the user) at the bottom.
Being only 50/60cm drop the spring doesn't need to be very strong and
'whizzing' up isn't really a major issue.

--
Chris Green
·

In article ,
Chris Green wrote:
Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Chris Green wrote:
We want some quite small and very simple spring roller blinds. The
size is about 100cm wide and 50cm drop. By 'simple' I mean that we
don't want any sort of clever latching mechanisim in the blind, we
just want to be able to pull it down and hook it at the bottom of the
window with the tension remaining. This is so that they will work on
some non-vertical (boat) windows.

So can anyone suggest a supplier for something like this? All the
'spring roller blinds' I can find have complicated 'latching' spring
mechanisms and we definitely don't want this. I've tried sending a
couple of enquiries to suppliers but they really don't seem to have
much idea what they're selling so I've not had sensible answers.

I seem to remember reading about some flat headed brat managing to hang
himself on these sort of blinds.

It's the 'other way around' I think, all the blind manufacturers are
paranoid about children hanging themselves on the standard roller
blind chain. The 'automatic' and 'spring' versions don't have the
chain so there's nothing for the child to hang themselves on. Most
seem to suggest having a stick with a hook on the end for raising and
lowering the blind. The automatic/spring blinds are advertised as
child-safe.

Our problem is really that we want something really simple as these
are small blinds in easy reach (boat roof/ceiling is only just over
6ft from floor) so they can simply be pulled down my hand pulling on
the bottom of the blind (no string or long stick needed) and can be
held down by a hook (also in easy reach of the user) at the bottom.
Being only 50/60cm drop the spring doesn't need to be very strong and
'whizzing' up isn't really a major issue.

These aren't what I woul;d call a normal domestic blind. Have you tried a
caravan supplier?

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

charles wrote:
In article ,
Chris Green wrote:
Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Chris Green wrote:
We want some quite small and very simple spring roller blinds. The
size is about 100cm wide and 50cm drop. By 'simple' I mean that we
don't want any sort of clever latching mechanisim in the blind, we
just want to be able to pull it down and hook it at the bottom of the
window with the tension remaining. This is so that they will work on
some non-vertical (boat) windows.

So can anyone suggest a supplier for something like this? All the
'spring roller blinds' I can find have complicated 'latching' spring
mechanisms and we definitely don't want this. I've tried sending a
couple of enquiries to suppliers but they really don't seem to have
much idea what they're selling so I've not had sensible answers.

I seem to remember reading about some flat headed brat managing to hang
himself on these sort of blinds.

It's the 'other way around' I think, all the blind manufacturers are
paranoid about children hanging themselves on the standard roller
blind chain. The 'automatic' and 'spring' versions don't have the
chain so there's nothing for the child to hang themselves on. Most
seem to suggest having a stick with a hook on the end for raising and
lowering the blind. The automatic/spring blinds are advertised as
child-safe.

Our problem is really that we want something really simple as these
are small blinds in easy reach (boat roof/ceiling is only just over
6ft from floor) so they can simply be pulled down my hand pulling on
the bottom of the blind (no string or long stick needed) and can be
held down by a hook (also in easy reach of the user) at the bottom.
Being only 50/60cm drop the spring doesn't need to be very strong and
'whizzing' up isn't really a major issue.

These aren't what I woul;d call a normal domestic blind. Have you tried a
caravan supplier?

I've been looking at 'caravan blinds' but all I can find is suppliers
of spare parts for them. They also seem to come as complete
assemblies with guides at the sides which we really don't want.

Why is it that something very, very basic and simple isn't available.
All we need is a spring loaded roller and two supports plus some
material wrapped around the roller. I'm beginning to think that DIY
of this may be more practical than trying to buy one!

--
Chris Green
·

On 18/07/17 11:08, Chris Green wrote:
charles wrote:
In article ,
Chris Green wrote:
Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Chris Green wrote:
We want some quite small and very simple spring roller blinds. The
size is about 100cm wide and 50cm drop. By 'simple' I mean that we
don't want any sort of clever latching mechanisim in the blind, we
just want to be able to pull it down and hook it at the bottom of the
window with the tension remaining. This is so that they will work on
some non-vertical (boat) windows.

So can anyone suggest a supplier for something like this? All the
'spring roller blinds' I can find have complicated 'latching' spring
mechanisms and we definitely don't want this. I've tried sending a
couple of enquiries to suppliers but they really don't seem to have
much idea what they're selling so I've not had sensible answers.

I seem to remember reading about some flat headed brat managing to hang
himself on these sort of blinds.

It's the 'other way around' I think, all the blind manufacturers are
paranoid about children hanging themselves on the standard roller
blind chain. The 'automatic' and 'spring' versions don't have the
chain so there's nothing for the child to hang themselves on. Most
seem to suggest having a stick with a hook on the end for raising and
lowering the blind. The automatic/spring blinds are advertised as
child-safe.

Our problem is really that we want something really simple as these
are small blinds in easy reach (boat roof/ceiling is only just over
6ft from floor) so they can simply be pulled down my hand pulling on
the bottom of the blind (no string or long stick needed) and can be
held down by a hook (also in easy reach of the user) at the bottom.
Being only 50/60cm drop the spring doesn't need to be very strong and
'whizzing' up isn't really a major issue.

These aren't what I woul;d call a normal domestic blind. Have you tried a
caravan supplier?

I've been looking at 'caravan blinds' but all I can find is suppliers
of spare parts for them. They also seem to come as complete
assemblies with guides at the sides which we really don't want.

Why is it that something very, very basic and simple isn't available.
All we need is a spring loaded roller and two supports plus some
material wrapped around the roller. I'm beginning to think that DIY
of this may be more practical than trying to buy one!

local companies make blinds here.

The pull and lock, pull again to release type are common. The current
house is loaded with them

Amazon sells this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Roller-blin...dp/B0026VKPEC/

Or for spring loaded

http://www.gbinteriors.co.uk/acatalo...lind-Kits.html

supply your own blind fabric and off you go.

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Chris Green presented the following explanation :
Why is it that something very, very basic and simple isn't available.
All we need is a spring loaded roller and two supports plus some
material wrapped around the roller. I'm beginning to think that DIY
of this may be more practical than trying to buy one!

If you are struggling to source new caravan blinds, it might be worth
trying a caravan dismantlers for some which are too big and cutting
them down to size. They would be trivially easy to cut down to size.

I needed several parts to repair my own caravan a few years ago,
including DG window and panels. I ended up talking to a company in
Wales, which seemed able to source all I needed and more, all very
efficiently operated.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Why is it that something very, very basic and simple isn't available.
All we need is a spring loaded roller and two supports plus some
material wrapped around the roller. I'm beginning to think that DIY
of this may be more practical than trying to buy one!

local companies make blinds here.

The pull and lock, pull again to release type are common. The current
house is loaded with them

That's exactly what we don't want because we want tension on the
blind when it's hooked in the down position. It's also extra
complication that we just don't need (and looking at the number of
problems with them we want to avoid!).

Amazon sells this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Roller-blin...dp/B0026VKPEC/

Or for spring loaded

http://www.gbinteriors.co.uk/acatalo...lind-Kits.html

supply your own blind fabric and off you go.

Yes, I've already found these.

--
Chris Green
·

On 7/18/2017 10:37 AM, Chris Green wrote:
newshound wrote:
On 7/17/2017 9:38 PM, Chris Green wrote:
newshound wrote:
On 7/17/2017 11:50 AM, Chris Green wrote:
We want some quite small and very simple spring roller blinds. The
size is about 100cm wide and 50cm drop. By 'simple' I mean that we
don't want any sort of clever latching mechanisim in the blind, we
just want to be able to pull it down and hook it at the bottom of the
window with the tension remaining. This is so that they will work on
some non-vertical (boat) windows.

So can anyone suggest a supplier for something like this? All the
'spring roller blinds' I can find have complicated 'latching' spring
mechanisms and we definitely don't want this. I've tried sending a
couple of enquiries to suppliers but they really don't seem to have
much idea what they're selling so I've not had sensible answers.


I guess it might not be all that difficult to disable the latch
mechanism. IIRC the "spring" and the "latch" are physically separate.

You can buy mechanisms without the blind material from John Lewis and
online suppliers.

Well the John Lewis ones are stupidly expensive though, they *start*
at almost £100, that's ridiculous!

They weren't the last time I bought a couple (admittedly that was some
years ago).

The add-on spring mechanisms are £9 (but nearly all the cusotmer
reviews are very negative) but the blinds they go with all seem to be
in the £100 plus price range.


What I was suggesting was the complete roller mechanism without the
blind material.

Huge Wrote in message:
On 2017-07-18, Chris Green wrote:
Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

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I seem to remember reading about some flat headed brat managing to hang
himself on these sort of blinds.

It's the 'other way around' I think, all the blind manufacturers are
paranoid about children hanging themselves on the standard roller
blind chain.

I recently had a huge row with John Lewis about this. Despite pointing
out that we have no children (and hence no grandchildren), that children
are not allowed in the house unsupervised, most of our friends are
old enough that their children are grown up, that the blinds in question
were inaccessible to children young enough to accidentally hang themselves,
they were adamant that the cords had to be "child proof", meaning we have
to stretch to reach the cords.

Apparently, 31 children have strangled in blind cords since 1999, although
there are no statistics about how many elderly people have fallen reaching
for too-short cords.

If I'm fitting blinds, I do it how I want. There are no children in this
house.


Except the Huge one.... ;-)

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