Looks very familiar


Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yQLIlIetDM

and here..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izNDNHK3_N8
--
Tony Sayer

Obviously cannot see those, but the external cladding and alloy extended
window frames and baton system for the outside insulation would seem to be a
flaw. Firstly if the fire gets outside there is a ready made chimney. second
Aluminium burns at high temperatures and all flats have a gas supply to act
as an accelerator. bit like a blowlamp in every flat.

Then the insulation itself, though designed to melt and fall away rather
than burn is doing this too late to stop the chimney effect making it jump
flats.
I fear this is the main issue. Be interesting to find out if the actual
window frames were plastic fitted to the alloy. the then there is this weird
idea of allowing a place to let water flow, but of course if water flows so
does air.

No sprinklers in refurbished buildings? I mean they have to be in new
builds so how is this sensible?
Only one set of stairs. Really?

Brian

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Looks very familiar


Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yQLIlIetDM

and here..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izNDNHK3_N8
--
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Brian Gaff wrote:

No sprinklers in refurbished buildings? I mean they have to be in new
builds so how is this sensible?

I agree, spending close to £10 million on the refurb, where £3 million
of that is on the cosmetic appearance (for the benefit of neighbours
rather than residents) without adding sprinklers which would be required
on a new build seems wrong.

Only one set of stairs. Really?

Well, adding a second stair tower in a refurb is probably a step to far,
but when built as a concrete block, one set of stairs, people staying in
their own 1 hour rated fire cell, while the firefighters came up the
stairs was the way they were designed to be safe.

Obviously there's enough of the tower left unburnt that they will be
able to forensically investigate *how* the cladding system was fixed,
was the material as specified, were fire breaks installed, was
fire-stopping used around any internal holes, etc etc.

On 15/06/2017 08:17, Brian Gaff wrote:
Obviously cannot see those, but the external cladding and alloy extended
window frames and baton system for the outside insulation would seem to be a
flaw. Firstly if the fire gets outside there is a ready made chimney. second
Aluminium burns at high temperatures and all flats have a gas supply to act
as an accelerator. bit like a blowlamp in every flat.

Then the insulation itself, though designed to melt and fall away rather
than burn is doing this too late to stop the chimney effect making it jump
flats.
I fear this is the main issue. Be interesting to find out if the actual
window frames were plastic fitted to the alloy. the then there is this weird
idea of allowing a place to let water flow, but of course if water flows so
does air.

No sprinklers in refurbished buildings? I mean they have to be in new
builds so how is this sensible?
Only one set of stairs. Really?

Brian


I think it was also reported that the smoke alarm in the communal areas
wasn't working...

In message , at 08:17:51 on Thu, 15 Jun 2017,
Brian Gaff remarked:

all flats have a gas supply to act as an accelerator. bit like a
blowlamp in every flat.

Has been mentioned in passing on the news, but no comments I've heard
about turning it of at the main. Isn't that one of the first things the
Fire Brigade would have done?

Meanwhile, I have an idea that one of the reasons they've stopped most
of the building searches is because so many floors are deep in water
(they did mention the latter) which will increase the structural loading
considerably.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 08:29:37 on Thu, 15
Jun 2017, Andy Burns remarked:

Obviously there's enough of the tower left unburnt that they will be
able to forensically investigate *how* the cladding system was fixed,
was the material as specified, were fire breaks installed, was
fire-stopping used around any internal holes, etc etc.

Even if failing to declare it unsafe, building control will have pored
over masses of documentation and taken many notes and photos during the
refurbishment.

--
Roland Perry

JoeJoe wrote:

I think it was also reported that the smoke alarm in the communal areas
wasn't working...

All the flats have independent fire (and CO) alarms, it seems
intentional to not have a single alarm sounding in *all* communal parts
of the building, deliberately not to have a stampede of people going
down the only staircase, when firefighters need to get up it, hence the
"stay put unless it's your flat on fire" procedure.

Whether the communal area alarms on individual floors operated properly
or not, it's too early to say.

On 15/06/2017 01:11, tony sayer wrote:


Looks very familiar


Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yQLIlIetDM

Not much like it really. That one has vertical fire breaks that stopped
it spreading sideways. They were totally ineffective in the London case,
if they were there.

In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Obviously cannot see those, but the external cladding and alloy extended
window frames and baton system for the outside insulation would seem to
be a flaw. Firstly if the fire gets outside there is a ready made
chimney. second Aluminium burns at high temperatures and all flats have
a gas supply to act as an accelerator. bit like a blowlamp in every
flat.

Then the insulation itself, though designed to melt and fall away
rather than burn is doing this too late to stop the chimney effect
making it jump flats. I fear this is the main issue. Be interesting to
find out if the actual window frames were plastic fitted to the alloy.
the then there is this weird idea of allowing a place to let water
flow, but of course if water flows so does air.

No sprinklers in refurbished buildings? I mean they have to be in new
builds so how is this sensible?
Only one set of stairs. Really?

Think it's now fairly certain why the outside of the building turned into
an inferno. What isn't certain is just why the communal areas filled with
smoke so quickly - making escape impossible.

--
*There are two sides to every divorce: Yours and **** head's*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article . com,
dennis@home.? scribeth thus
On 15/06/2017 01:11, tony sayer wrote:


Looks very familiar


Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yQLIlIetDM

Not much like it really. That one has vertical fire breaks that stopped
it spreading sideways. They were totally ineffective in the London case,
if they were there.


Yes but the speed that this happens that may well have been a windless
day, put a breeze on that maybe different, did anyone see how one side
of the building was burning much worse than the other?.

--
Tony Sayer

On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 10:39:07 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:

Obviously there's enough of the tower left unburnt that they will
be
able to forensically investigate *how* the cladding system was
fixed,
was the material as specified, were fire breaks installed, was
fire-stopping used around any internal holes, etc etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if the installation was "sub-optimal".

Even if failing to declare it unsafe, building control will have pored
over masses of documentation and taken many notes and photos during the
refurbishment.

You hope. Who is friends with Who? The statements from the involved
companies are just spouting that all the boxes where ticked. Anyone
can tick a box...

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 15/06/2017 12:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Think it's now fairly certain why the outside of the building turned into
an inferno. What isn't certain is just why the communal areas filled with
smoke so quickly - making escape impossible.
So please tell - was it:

a. wrong specification?
b. manufacturing/supply error?
c. faulty installation?
d. something else - if so what?
--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 6/15/2017 11:45 AM, dennis@home wrote:
On 15/06/2017 01:11, tony sayer wrote:


Looks very familiar


Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yQLIlIetDM

Not much like it really. That one has vertical fire breaks that stopped
it spreading sideways. They were totally ineffective in the London case,
if they were there.

According to one of my former colleagues who is an expert in such
things, the regulations require a horizontal fire break at every floor,
something that evidently was not present, or at any rate effective, in
this case.

newshound wrote:

According to one of my former colleagues who is an expert in such
things, the regulations require a horizontal fire break at every floor,
something that evidently was not present,

Is that the black horizontal bars on the photo provided by martin which
extend across the insulation panels below the windows as well as going
around the vertical cladding over the concrete pillars?

http://i.imgur.com/sRzqjSM.jpg

or at any rate effective, in this case.

yes, well ...

On 6/15/2017 1:53 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
newshound wrote:

According to one of my former colleagues who is an expert in such
things, the regulations require a horizontal fire break at every floor,
something that evidently was not present,

Is that the black horizontal bars on the photo provided by martin which
extend across the insulation panels below the windows as well as going
around the vertical cladding over the concrete pillars?

http://i.imgur.com/sRzqjSM.jpg


They look to me as though they are on top of the foil faced insulation
panels (Celotex?). I think I would have expected them to be either just
above or just below the windows.

In message , at 12:08:15 on Thu, 15 Jun
2017, "Dave Plowman (News)" remarked:

Think it's now fairly certain why the outside of the building turned into
an inferno.

Yes, "Something wrong with the cladding".
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 10:37:26 on Thu, 15 Jun
2017, Roland Perry remarked:

all flats have a gas supply to act as an accelerator. bit like a
blowlamp in every flat.

Has been mentioned in passing on the news, but no comments I've heard
about turning it of at the main. Isn't that one of the first things the
Fire Brigade would have done?

It's apparently emerging that the reason it took an hour and a half for
firefighters to start scouring the building was a delay in turning off
that gas.

Which of course nullifies the "stay put and we'll get to you within an
hour" policy.
--
Roland Perry

In article ,
Robin wrote:
On 15/06/2017 12:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Think it's now fairly certain why the outside of the building turned into
an inferno. What isn't certain is just why the communal areas filled with
smoke so quickly - making escape impossible.
So please tell - was it:

a. wrong specification?
b. manufacturing/supply error?
c. faulty installation?
d. something else - if so what?


Seems part of the modernisation was changing from a communal heating
system to individual boilers. Which, according to some reports, were just
thrown in any old how. Nothing like as in the show flat.
This needed uprated gas supplies throughout the building. And running in
new services can result in designed fire and smoke etc protection in
communal areas being compromised. Thing is there will have been several
sub-contractors. Any or all of which could have done their bit OK. But
just who was project managing the entire job - and did he check for all
the 'little' things so often ignored?

Just hypothesising, of course.

--
*I yell because I care

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 15/06/2017 12:53, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 10:39:07 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:

Obviously there's enough of the tower left unburnt that they will
be
able to forensically investigate *how* the cladding system was
fixed,
was the material as specified, were fire breaks installed, was
fire-stopping used around any internal holes, etc etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if the installation was "sub-optimal".

Even if failing to declare it unsafe, building control will have pored
over masses of documentation and taken many notes and photos during the
refurbishment.

You hope. Who is friends with Who? The statements from the involved
companies are just spouting that all the boxes where ticked. Anyone
can tick a box...


Yes!
I had issues with some German kit when I asked for the CE mark
certificates and he said he would send them, there was no way it would
pass as it had lots of metal plates and no earth connections.

It would have been OK in the lab but it was going out to a public spot
and was being unveiled and used by the PM.
With hindsight I might have electrified it.

On 15/06/2017 13:44, newshound wrote:
On 6/15/2017 11:45 AM, dennis@home wrote:
On 15/06/2017 01:11, tony sayer wrote:


Looks very familiar


Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yQLIlIetDM

Not much like it really. That one has vertical fire breaks that
stopped it spreading sideways. They were totally ineffective in the
London case, if they were there.

According to one of my former colleagues who is an expert in such
things, the regulations require a horizontal fire break at every floor,
something that evidently was not present, or at any rate effective, in
this case.

This is true as my friend said so and he was head of building control in
the adjacent council area to mine.
He was also a structural engineer and a fire safety expert.

On 15/06/2017 12:28, tony sayer wrote:
In article . com,
dennis@home.? scribeth thus
On 15/06/2017 01:11, tony sayer wrote:


Looks very familiar


Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yQLIlIetDM

Not much like it really. That one has vertical fire breaks that stopped
it spreading sideways. They were totally ineffective in the London case,
if they were there.

Yes but the speed that this happens that may well have been a windless
day, put a breeze on that maybe different, did anyone see how one side
of the building was burning much worse than the other?.

Even so the fire was constrained mainly to the stairwell.
It didn't expand to cover the entire face of the building.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Robin wrote:
On 15/06/2017 12:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Think it's now fairly certain why the outside of the building turned into
an inferno. What isn't certain is just why the communal areas filled with
smoke so quickly - making escape impossible.
So please tell - was it:

a. wrong specification?
b. manufacturing/supply error?
c. faulty installation?
d. something else - if so what?


Seems part of the modernisation was changing from a communal heating
system to individual boilers. Which, according to some reports, were just
thrown in any old how. Nothing like as in the show flat.
You mean not by properly certified GAS Safe engineers?
This needed uprated gas supplies throughout the building. And running in
new services can result in designed fire and smoke etc protection in
communal areas being compromised. Thing is there will have been several
sub-contractors. Any or all of which could have done their bit OK. But
just who was project managing the entire job - and did he check for all
the 'little' things so often ignored?

Just hypothesising, of course.


--
bert

En el artículo ,
JoeJoe escribió:

I think it was also reported that the smoke alarm in the communal areas
wasn't working...

The communal areas are below the 4th floor, which is where the fire is
reported to have started.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick
(")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West

Mike Tomlinson wrote:

The communal areas are below the 4th floor

I would include the stair wells, lift lobbies and halls on each floor as
"communal"

En el artículo , Andy Burns
escribió:
Mike Tomlinson wrote:

The communal areas are below the 4th floor

I would include the stair wells, lift lobbies and halls on each floor as
"communal"

Agreed, but if you look at the plans, you'll see the lower floors are
described as "communal" - lobby, resident lounges, gym, laundry,
offices, caretaker etc. That's what I meant by communal.

There'd be no point in sounding fire alarms in "your" communal areas -
that would only being residents out into the central core on each floor
containing the elevators and stairwell, hindering any firefighters
trying to climb up same.

Hence the "stay in your flat in case of fire, unless it's your flat that
is on fire" policy that has been well publicised, for right or wrong.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick
(")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West

Mike Tomlinson wrote:

There'd be no point in sounding fire alarms in "your" communal areas -
that would only being residents out into the central core on each floor

[I assume a typo for 'bring'] but in response to residents saying they
heard no communal alarms (as though that was a fault) the BBC reported
that there are floor-by-floor communal alarms, in addition to the
per-flat alarms.

containing the elevators and stairwell, hindering any firefighters
trying to climb up same.

A point I have made several times

On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 14:10:03 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 10:37:26 on Thu, 15 Jun
2017, Roland Perry remarked:

all flats have a gas supply to act as an accelerator. bit like a
blowlamp in every flat.

Has been mentioned in passing on the news, but no comments I've heard
about turning it of at the main. Isn't that one of the first things the
Fire Brigade would have done?

It's apparently emerging that the reason it took an hour and a half for
firefighters to start scouring the building was a delay in turning off
that gas.

I thought gas was banned in multi-storeys after Ronan Point.

On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 14:01:32 +0100, newshound wrote:

They look to me as though they are on top of the foil faced insulation
panels (Celotex?). I think I would have expected them to be either just
above or just below the windows.

If the firebreak has to be at window level having it above will be
useless, fire burning out of the window will breach it. Below is
nearly as useless as fire will burn up to the window from a flat
below. It needs to mirror the internal inter floor fire break ie at
floor/ceiling level. Places it that little bit further away from the
intense heat coming out of a window from a well alight room.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 1:13:03 AM UTC+1, tony sayer wrote:
Looks very familiar


Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yQLIlIetDM

and here..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izNDNHK3_N8
--
Tony Sayer

Nah these were similar Dubai, multiple, and Melbourne

https://www.thestar.com/business/201...n-inferno.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-m...ial-skyscraper

Grauniad is saying it was Polyethelyne cored Reynobond not the marginally more expensive Fire Retardent grade.

Council leaders keener appearing on TV than at emergency centres, May does ostrich act, neighbouring borough would stop at nothing to remove the poor a few years back

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homes_for_votes_scandal

"Adam Aglionby" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 1:13:03 AM UTC+1, tony sayer wrote:
Looks very familiar


Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yQLIlIetDM

and here..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izNDNHK3_N8
--
Tony Sayer

Nah these were similar Dubai, multiple, and Melbourne

https://www.thestar.com/business/201...n-inferno.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-m...ial-skyscraper

Grauniad is saying it was Polyethelyne cored Reynobond not the marginally
more expensive Fire Retardent grade.

Council leaders keener appearing on TV than at emergency centres, May does
ostrich act, neighbouring borough would stop at nothing to remove the poor
a few years back

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homes_for_votes_scandal

It's all about money or politics, it's time you knew that FFS.
Even silly Dave knows.
Sound engineers? I've ****'em.

On 16/06/17 02:53, bm wrote:
Sound engineers? I've ****'em.
ouch!
reminds me of a femmyluvvy thhing I saw on TV where women talked about
te Mystery if Childbirth and how it made them superior to men

then thus obviously educated and sensible girl was asked what her
experience of childbirth had been

"Well it was like having an enormous ****2

It was love at first sight really

so in fact dave was like having and enormous **** for his mum


--
Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early
twenty-first centurys developed world went into hysterical panic over a
globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to
contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

Richard Lindzen

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 16/06/17 02:53, bm wrote:
Sound engineers? I've ****'em.
ouch!
reminds me of a femmyluvvy thhing I saw on TV where women talked about te
Mystery if Childbirth and how it made them superior to men

then thus obviously educated and sensible girl was asked what her
experience of childbirth had been

"Well it was like having an enormous ****2

It was love at first sight really

so in fact dave was like having and enormous **** for his mum

Oh c'mon TNP, Dave votes Labour whatever the consequences.
Whatever cash he has he's a down trodden upper class Labourite/Tory.

In message , at 21:36:13 on
Thu, 15 Jun 2017, Scott remarked:
It's apparently emerging that the reason it took an hour and a half for
firefighters to start scouring the building was a delay in turning off
that gas.

Correction - half an hour.

I thought gas was banned in multi-storeys after Ronan Point.

Only those built using a similar prefabrication scheme.
--
Roland Perry

On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:48:04 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 21:36:13 on
Thu, 15 Jun 2017, Scott remarked:
It's apparently emerging that the reason it took an hour and a half for
firefighters to start scouring the building was a delay in turning off
that gas.

Correction - half an hour.

I thought gas was banned in multi-storeys after Ronan Point.

Only those built using a similar prefabrication scheme.

So if gas is allowed, how do they access the outside for boiler replacement and
sealing / weatherproofing of the flue duct to the building structure?

--

In article ,
Scott wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 14:10:03 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 10:37:26 on Thu, 15 Jun
2017, Roland Perry remarked:

all flats have a gas supply to act as an accelerator. bit like a
blowlamp in every flat.

Has been mentioned in passing on the news, but no comments I've heard
about turning it of at the main. Isn't that one of the first things
the Fire Brigade would have done?

It's apparently emerging that the reason it took an hour and a half for
firefighters to start scouring the building was a delay in turning off
that gas.

I thought gas was banned in multi-storeys after Ronan Point.

They'd just installed new individual gas supplies to each flat for gas
boilers. Assume cooking was electric before.

--
*The best cure for sea sickness, is to sit under a tree.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article , Adam
Aglionby scribeth thus
On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 1:13:03 AM UTC+1, tony sayer wrote:
Looks very familiar


Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yQLIlIetDM

and here..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izNDNHK3_N8
--
Tony Sayer

Nah these were similar Dubai, multiple, and Melbourne

And i quote....




All bore similarities to the Dubai fires, with flames racing up the
sides of the building, and experts attributed each fire's speed to the
cladding.

Peter Rau, the chief officer of the Metropolitan Fire Brigade in
Melbourne, Australia, knows firsthand how dangerous such fires can be.
In November 2014, a fire erupted at a 23-story apartment building in
Melbourne and raced up more than 20 stories in just six minutes as
flaming debris rained down below. While no one was injured, the fast-
moving blaze did millions of dollars worth of damage to the building.

In the aftermath of the blaze, fire officials discovered some 50 other
buildings in the city €” and 1,700 in the surrounding state of Victoria €”
had similar, flammable siding, Rau said.

€œYou know you've only got to step back a little bit further and say:
€˜What does it mean for Australia and what does it mean (when) you're
talking to me from Dubai?€� Rau said. €œThis is a significant issue
world-wide, I would suggest ... There is no question this is a game
changer.€�


One would have hoped so...



https://www.thestar.com/business/201...ding-material-
turned-a-dubai-hotel-fire-into-an-inferno.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-m...re-blaze-rips-
through-residential-skyscraper

Grauniad is saying it was Polyethelyne cored Reynobond not the marginally more
expensive Fire Retardent grade.

Council leaders keener appearing on TV than at emergency centres, May does
ostrich act, neighbouring borough would stop at nothing to remove the poor a few
years back

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homes_for_votes_scandal



--
Tony Sayer

In message , at 10:24:18 on
Fri, 16 Jun 2017, The Other Mike
remarked:
I thought gas was banned in multi-storeys after Ronan Point.

Only those built using a similar prefabrication scheme.

So if gas is allowed, how do they access the outside for boiler replacement and
sealing / weatherproofing of the flue duct to the building structure?

However you do it in low rise block of flats, I expect. And no, not with
a very long ladder.
--
Roland Perry

On 16/06/17 13:25, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:24:18 on
Fri, 16 Jun 2017, The Other Mike
remarked:
I thought gas was banned in multi-storeys after Ronan Point.

Only those built using a similar prefabrication scheme.

So if gas is allowed, how do they access the outside for boiler
replacement and
sealing / weatherproofing of the flue duct to the building structure?

However you do it in low rise block of flats, I expect. And no, not with
a very long ladder.

http://newimg.globalmarket.com/PicLi...ubz7o352_l.jpg

???

--
The New Left are the people they warned you about.

On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 11:24:55 AM UTC+1, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Adam
Aglionby scribeth thus
On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 1:13:03 AM UTC+1, tony sayer wrote:
Looks very familiar


Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yQLIlIetDM

and here..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izNDNHK3_N8
--
Tony Sayer

Nah these were similar Dubai, multiple, and Melbourne

And i quote....




All bore similarities to the Dubai fires, with flames racing up the
sides of the building, and experts attributed each fire's speed to the
cladding.

Peter Rau, the chief officer of the Metropolitan Fire Brigade in
Melbourne, Australia, knows firsthand how dangerous such fires can be.
In November 2014, a fire erupted at a 23-story apartment building in
Melbourne and raced up more than 20 stories in just six minutes as
flaming debris rained down below. While no one was injured, the fast-
moving blaze did millions of dollars worth of damage to the building.

In the aftermath of the blaze, fire officials discovered some 50 other
buildings in the city €” and 1,700 in the surrounding state of Victoria €”
had similar, flammable siding, Rau said.

€œYou know you've only got to step back a little bit further and say:
€˜What does it mean for Australia and what does it mean (when) you're
talking to me from Dubai?€� Rau said. €œThis is a significant issue
world-wide, I would suggest ... There is no question this is a game
changer.€�


One would have hoped so...

#newasbestos :-(




https://www.thestar.com/business/201...ding-material-
turned-a-dubai-hotel-fire-into-an-inferno.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-m...re-blaze-rips-
through-residential-skyscraper

Grauniad is saying it was Polyethelyne cored Reynobond not the marginally more
expensive Fire Retardent grade.

Council leaders keener appearing on TV than at emergency centres, May does
ostrich act, neighbouring borough would stop at nothing to remove the poor a few
years back

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homes_for_votes_scandal



--
Tony Sayer

On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:25:33 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 10:24:18 on
Fri, 16 Jun 2017, The Other Mike
remarked:
I thought gas was banned in multi-storeys after Ronan Point.

Only those built using a similar prefabrication scheme.

So if gas is allowed, how do they access the outside for boiler replacement and
sealing / weatherproofing of the flue duct to the building structure?

However you do it in low rise block of flats, I expect. And no, not with
a very long ladder.


I've since found this, so there is no boiler per individual property

https://www.scribd.com/document/3514...ergy-Statement

and this

https://www.scribd.com/document/3514...ng-Application

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