I'd be grateful for any thoughts on easy-access, low-cost storage solutions
for an overlarge collection of hand tools: wall-mounted racks of some kind?
Traditional pegboard and hooks (though hardboard pegboard doesn't seem to be
as easily available as it used to be, at least in the big sheds)?
Straightforward shelving with everything just laid loose? A commercial
solution? Anything else?

Pointers to any particularly useful-looking online ideas would be welcome:
initial Google searches have thrown up a multitude of examples, DIY and
otherwise, but nothing has really stood out so far.

I have more wall space available than floor space, so chest-of-drawers type
storage wouldn't be ideal.

Many thanks.

Bert Coules wrote:

I'd be grateful for any thoughts on easy-access, low-cost storage solutions
for an overlarge collection of hand tools:

I bought several IKEA cutlery trays for about 40p each, then stack them
alternately at 90° to each other ...

On 12/05/2017 12:26, Bert Coules wrote:
I'd be grateful for any thoughts on easy-access, low-cost storage
solutions for an overlarge collection of hand tools: wall-mounted racks
of some kind? Traditional pegboard and hooks (though hardboard pegboard
doesn't seem to be as easily available as it used to be, at least in the
big sheds)? Straightforward shelving with everything just laid loose? A
commercial solution? Anything else?

Pointers to any particularly useful-looking online ideas would be
welcome: initial Google searches have thrown up a multitude of examples,
DIY and otherwise, but nothing has really stood out so far.

I have more wall space available than floor space, so chest-of-drawers
type storage wouldn't be ideal.

Kaizen foam can make for very neat wall storage. Search youtube for
examples.

Rutlands sell it in the UK:

http://www.rutlands.co.uk/sp+woodwor...-kaizen+dk7071

http://www.rutlands.co.uk/sp+kaizen-...sheet+M_DK6765


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On 12/05/2017 12:26, Bert Coules wrote:
I'd be grateful for any thoughts on easy-access, low-cost storage
solutions for an overlarge collection of hand tools: wall-mounted racks
of some kind? Traditional pegboard and hooks (though hardboard pegboard
doesn't seem to be as easily available as it used to be, at least in the
big sheds)? Straightforward shelving with everything just laid loose? A
commercial solution? Anything else?

Pointers to any particularly useful-looking online ideas would be
welcome: initial Google searches have thrown up a multitude of examples,
DIY and otherwise, but nothing has really stood out so far.

I have more wall space available than floor space, so chest-of-drawers
type storage wouldn't be ideal.

Many thanks.


My tools are a mess. I need to do a lot of rearranging - the plan is to
keep tools for particular types of work together.

So, in your position, I might have ordinary shelves with boxes for the
different types of tools. That way I could just grab a box and have
everything I needed.

Thanks for those suggestions. The foam looks very neat but I wonder
slightly how well it would retain its grip over time. The cutlery trays are
a neat idea, especially at that price.

GB wrote:

So, in your position, I might have ordinary shelves with boxes for the
different types of tools. That way I could just grab a box and have
everything I needed.

That certainly has the virtues of simplicity and economy. Thanks.

Bert Coules wrote:
GB wrote:

So, in your position, I might have ordinary shelves with boxes for the
different types of tools. That way I could just grab a box and have
everything I needed.

That certainly has the virtues of simplicity and economy. Thanks.

The trouble is that each job, in reality, needs all the 'X tools' plus
a few of the 'Y tools' and a few of the 'Z tools'. I seem to always
end up taking everything.

Actually a 'main' toolbox plus a tote box for the extras can work
quite well.

--
Chris Green
·

On Friday, 12 May 2017 12:26:55 UTC+1, Bert Coules wrote:
I'd be grateful for any thoughts on easy-access, low-cost storage solutions
for an overlarge collection of hand tools: wall-mounted racks of some kind?
Traditional pegboard and hooks (though hardboard pegboard doesn't seem to be
as easily available as it used to be, at least in the big sheds)?
Straightforward shelving with everything just laid loose? A commercial
solution? Anything else?

Pointers to any particularly useful-looking online ideas would be welcome:
initial Google searches have thrown up a multitude of examples, DIY and
otherwise, but nothing has really stood out so far.

I have more wall space available than floor space, so chest-of-drawers type
storage wouldn't be ideal.

Many thanks.

Second hand ex charity shop chests of drawers stacked on top of each other. Reinforce the hardboard drawer bottoms with strips of wood. They'll stack 3 high if you prevent them sliding with some of that rubberised string.


NT

On Fri, 12 May 2017 12:26:52 +0100, "Bert Coules"
wrote:


Pointers to any particularly useful-looking online ideas would be welcome:
initial Google searches have thrown up a multitude of examples, DIY and
otherwise, but nothing has really stood out so far.

http://www.finewoodworking.com/2006/...ley-tool-chest

On Fri, 12 May 2017 13:33:38 +0100, Chris Green wrote:

The trouble is that each job, in reality, needs all the 'X tools' plus
a few of the 'Y tools' and a few of the 'Z tools'.

+1

I seem to always end up taking everything.

To avoid that I have an open tote that I put the X, Y, Z tools I
think I'll need and take just those to the job. It can then be used
to carry those, and all the extras, back to the X, Y, Z boxes...

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Cheers
Dave.

On Fri, 12 May 2017 12:49:29 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

Kaizen foam can make for very neat wall storage.

Ooh, that looks interesting stuff, any experience with it?

I'm thinking more of delicate stuff in cases for transport than a
drawer liner. "general purpose" cases tend to come with that rather
soft, cubed, "pluck" foam that falls apart very quickly.

How well bonded are the layers of this stuff?
How easy is it to cut?
Is it soft or semi ridged?

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Dave.

In message , Bert
Coules writes
I'd be grateful for any thoughts on easy-access, low-cost storage
solutions for an overlarge collection of hand tools: wall-mounted racks
of some kind? Traditional pegboard and hooks (though hardboard pegboard
doesn't seem to be as easily available as it used to be, at least in
the big sheds)? Straightforward shelving with everything just laid
loose? A commercial solution? Anything else?

Pointers to any particularly useful-looking online ideas would be
welcome: initial Google searches have thrown up a multitude of
examples, DIY and otherwise, but nothing has really stood out so far.

I have more wall space available than floor space, so chest-of-drawers
type storage wouldn't be ideal.

When you solve it, let me know!

This is a farm with buildings spread over 2 acres. For transport to job
I use a garden wheelbarrow. Not too hard on sharp tools, rarely more
than 3 items deep so you don't have to dig far. Wheel big enough to
ignore steps or rough ground and narrow enough to go through standard
doorways.

Woodwork mainly done in one barn with hand tools slotted in to holed
shelving or hung from cuphooks reachable from the workbench. Planes and
small electrical tools kept in drawers at the bench ends

Metalwork similar except more use made of bench drawers. Lathe tackle
usually lives in the suds collector as I don't use coolant.

Whatever you do, it takes 6 months to learn the new positions so expect
to do a lot of head scratching:-)

--
Tim Lamb

On Friday, 12 May 2017 15:58:27 UTC+1, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Bert
Coules writes
I'd be grateful for any thoughts on easy-access, low-cost storage
solutions for an overlarge collection of hand tools: wall-mounted racks
of some kind? Traditional pegboard and hooks (though hardboard pegboard
doesn't seem to be as easily available as it used to be, at least in
the big sheds)? Straightforward shelving with everything just laid
loose? A commercial solution? Anything else?

Pointers to any particularly useful-looking online ideas would be
welcome: initial Google searches have thrown up a multitude of
examples, DIY and otherwise, but nothing has really stood out so far.

I have more wall space available than floor space, so chest-of-drawers
type storage wouldn't be ideal.

When you solve it, let me know!

This is a farm with buildings spread over 2 acres. For transport to job
I use a garden wheelbarrow. Not too hard on sharp tools, rarely more
than 3 items deep so you don't have to dig far. Wheel big enough to
ignore steps or rough ground and narrow enough to go through standard
doorways.

Woodwork mainly done in one barn with hand tools slotted in to holed
shelving or hung from cuphooks reachable from the workbench. Planes and
small electrical tools kept in drawers at the bench ends

Metalwork similar except more use made of bench drawers. Lathe tackle
usually lives in the suds collector as I don't use coolant.

Whatever you do, it takes 6 months to learn the new positions so expect
to do a lot of head scratching:-)

One thing I've learnt is never change where tools are stored: it may be more sensible but you won't find it. I've learnt then forgotten that one so many times.


NT

On 12/05/2017 14:56, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 12 May 2017 12:49:29 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

Kaizen foam can make for very neat wall storage.

Ooh, that looks interesting stuff, any experience with it?

I'm thinking more of delicate stuff in cases for transport than a
drawer liner. "general purpose" cases tend to come with that rather
soft, cubed, "pluck" foam that falls apart very quickly.

How well bonded are the layers of this stuff?
How easy is it to cut?
Is it soft or semi ridged?

I have seen a few youtube woodworkers etc that use it. It appears to be
semi rigid and quite resilient, but cuts easily with a sharp knife. Its
made up in layers, so you cut through as many as you need for the depth
in question.


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On 12/05/2017 13:05, Bert Coules wrote:
GB wrote:

So, in your position, I might have ordinary shelves with boxes for the
different types of tools. That way I could just grab a box and have
everything I needed.

That certainly has the virtues of simplicity and economy. Thanks.

That's what I do for job centric tools that need to go to the job. Hence
I have tool boxes of varying degrees of elaboration for plumbing,
another for electrics, data comms, aerial / tv rigging, plus a general
purpose one. However for workshop tools like planes, chisels etc, I
still need to do something better. I have some in drawers, a few on wall
racks etc, but some form of cabinet that makes them easy to grab would
be handy. I might combine that into a mitre saw station.

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On 12/05/2017 13:33, Chris Green wrote:
Bert Coules wrote:
GB wrote:

So, in your position, I might have ordinary shelves with boxes for the
different types of tools. That way I could just grab a box and have
everything I needed.

That certainly has the virtues of simplicity and economy. Thanks.

The trouble is that each job, in reality, needs all the 'X tools' plus
a few of the 'Y tools' and a few of the 'Z tools'. I seem to always
end up taking everything.

I found there came a point where I needed to duplicate a subset of some
tools for each box. So my plumbing box has some VDE screwdrivers, comms
box has wire strippers and cutters etc. Otherwise I found I would
"borrow" tool from another box, and then find later it was missing when
I needed it!

Actually a 'main' toolbox plus a tote box for the extras can work
quite well.

I find a large rolling box for general stuff works, then you can sling
job specific ones on top of it.


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On 12/05/2017 15:50, Tim Lamb wrote:

Whatever you do, it takes 6 months to learn the new positions so expect
to do a lot of head scratching:-)

I would like back all the wasted hours I spend looking for things that
were in my hand "a moment ago"! I really ought to get into the habit of
using a tool belt more often.



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"GB" wrote in message
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On 12/05/2017 12:26, Bert Coules wrote:
I'd be grateful for any thoughts on easy-access, low-cost storage
solutions for an overlarge collection of hand tools: wall-mounted racks
of some kind? Traditional pegboard and hooks (though hardboard pegboard
doesn't seem to be as easily available as it used to be, at least in the
big sheds)? Straightforward shelving with everything just laid loose? A
commercial solution? Anything else?

Pointers to any particularly useful-looking online ideas would be
welcome: initial Google searches have thrown up a multitude of examples,
DIY and otherwise, but nothing has really stood out so far.

I have more wall space available than floor space, so chest-of-drawers
type storage wouldn't be ideal.

My tools are a mess. I need to do a lot of rearranging - the plan is to
keep tools for particular types of work together.

So, in your position, I might have ordinary shelves with boxes for the
different types of tools. That way I could just grab a box and have
everything I needed.

Bet you find that its impossible to organise the boxes so
you can do that even if you duplicate a lot of the tools.

John Rumm wrote:
On 12/05/2017 15:50, Tim Lamb wrote:

Whatever you do, it takes 6 months to learn the new positions so expect
to do a lot of head scratching:-)

I would like back all the wasted hours I spend looking for things that
were in my hand "a moment ago"! I really ought to get into the habit of
using a tool belt more often.

With my swiss cheese memory, I thought that was just me. I froth at the
mouth when I realise, yet again, I've put something down without a
single recollection of where I was stood at the time.

--
Scott

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
idual.net...
On Fri, 12 May 2017 13:33:38 +0100, Chris Green wrote:

The trouble is that each job, in reality, needs all the 'X tools' plus
a few of the 'Y tools' and a few of the 'Z tools'.

+1

I seem to always end up taking everything.

To avoid that I have an open tote that I put the X, Y, Z tools I
think I'll need and take just those to the job. It can then be used
to carry those, and all the extras, back to the X, Y, Z boxes...

Trouble with that approach is that you often have
no idea what tools you will need until you get
there and have a look at what needs to be done.

Dave Liquorice wrote:

I have an open tote that I put the X, Y, Z tools I
think I'll need and take just those to the job. It can then be used
to carry those, and all the extras, back to the X, Y, Z boxes...

Yes, I have a tote with a few "standard" tools in it, and a screw tub
with a few various size screws and rawlplugs, but which doesn't try to
have all things for all jobs, plenty of room to chuck other tools in as
needed per job.

John Rumm wrote:
[snip]

Actually a 'main' toolbox plus a tote box for the extras can work
quite well.

I find a large rolling box for general stuff works, then you can sling
job specific ones on top of it.

I thought a large rolling box would work for me but it has one big
disadvantage, it's difficult and clumsy to get into a car (or van).

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·

On 12/05/2017 12:26, Bert Coules wrote:
I'd be grateful for any thoughts on easy-access, low-cost storage
solutions for an overlarge collection of hand tools: wall-mounted racks
of some kind? Traditional pegboard and hooks (though hardboard pegboard
doesn't seem to be as easily available as it used to be, at least in the
big sheds)? Straightforward shelving with everything just laid loose? A
commercial solution? Anything else?

Pointers to any particularly useful-looking online ideas would be
welcome: initial Google searches have thrown up a multitude of examples,
DIY and otherwise, but nothing has really stood out so far.

I have more wall space available than floor space, so chest-of-drawers
type storage wouldn't be ideal.

I use bog standard steel shelving (from Midland Steel Equipment). Large
tools are loose. Smaller items are in plastic boxes on the shelves. This
is very flexible. I can swap things around as circumstances change.

Bill

On 5/12/2017 12:51 PM, GB wrote:
On 12/05/2017 12:26, Bert Coules wrote:
I'd be grateful for any thoughts on easy-access, low-cost storage
solutions for an overlarge collection of hand tools: wall-mounted racks
of some kind? Traditional pegboard and hooks (though hardboard pegboard
doesn't seem to be as easily available as it used to be, at least in the
big sheds)? Straightforward shelving with everything just laid loose? A
commercial solution? Anything else?

Pointers to any particularly useful-looking online ideas would be
welcome: initial Google searches have thrown up a multitude of examples,
DIY and otherwise, but nothing has really stood out so far.

I have more wall space available than floor space, so chest-of-drawers
type storage wouldn't be ideal.

Many thanks.


My tools are a mess. I need to do a lot of rearranging - the plan is to
keep tools for particular types of work together.

So, in your position, I might have ordinary shelves with boxes for the
different types of tools. That way I could just grab a box and have
everything I needed.


I have quite a few of these "flight case" type boxes, some with and some
without the foam filling. The ones with proper rounded corners (like
this one) are best.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Protective...AOSwo4pYbNV V

Every so often Maplin has them in the sale for about £15.

There is a fairly standard size, which means they stack neatly on the
ground or on shelves. I have one for angle grinders and disks, another
for the SDS drill and bits, another for two of the cordless drills,
another for air tools. Easily labelled with marker pens.

This makes it easy to grab the tools required for particular jobs,
especially if you need to sling them in a car or van.

On 12/05/2017 20:36, Chris Green wrote:
John Rumm wrote:
[snip]

Actually a 'main' toolbox plus a tote box for the extras can work
quite well.

I find a large rolling box for general stuff works, then you can sling
job specific ones on top of it.

I thought a large rolling box would work for me but it has one big
disadvantage, it's difficult and clumsy to get into a car (or van).

Yup, also true... also many of the rolling ones are a paint pull along -
either biting the back of your ankles, or not really balancing well.
Sometimes I take a folding trolly, and a normal box. Alas there seems to
be no ideal solution.


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On 12/05/2017 17:41, wrote:
On Friday, 12 May 2017 15:58:27 UTC+1, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Bert
Coules writes
I'd be grateful for any thoughts on easy-access, low-cost storage
solutions for an overlarge collection of hand tools: wall-mounted racks
of some kind? Traditional pegboard and hooks (though hardboard pegboard
doesn't seem to be as easily available as it used to be, at least in
the big sheds)? Straightforward shelving with everything just laid
loose? A commercial solution? Anything else?

Pointers to any particularly useful-looking online ideas would be
welcome: initial Google searches have thrown up a multitude of
examples, DIY and otherwise, but nothing has really stood out so far.

I have more wall space available than floor space, so chest-of-drawers
type storage wouldn't be ideal.

When you solve it, let me know!

This is a farm with buildings spread over 2 acres. For transport to job
I use a garden wheelbarrow. Not too hard on sharp tools, rarely more
than 3 items deep so you don't have to dig far. Wheel big enough to
ignore steps or rough ground and narrow enough to go through standard
doorways.

Woodwork mainly done in one barn with hand tools slotted in to holed
shelving or hung from cuphooks reachable from the workbench. Planes and
small electrical tools kept in drawers at the bench ends

Metalwork similar except more use made of bench drawers. Lathe tackle
usually lives in the suds collector as I don't use coolant.

Whatever you do, it takes 6 months to learn the new positions so expect
to do a lot of head scratching:-)

One thing I've learnt is never change where tools are stored: it may be more sensible but you won't find it. I've learnt then forgotten that one so many times.

I spent days looking for my core drill once, trying to remember if I
lent it to someone. Only later did I realised I have changed the bag I
kept it in since the zip broke on the previous one! ;-)


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"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 12/05/2017 20:36, Chris Green wrote:
John Rumm wrote:
[snip]

Actually a 'main' toolbox plus a tote box for the extras can work
quite well.

I find a large rolling box for general stuff works, then you can sling
job specific ones on top of it.

I thought a large rolling box would work for me but it has one big
disadvantage, it's difficult and clumsy to get into a car (or van).

Yup, also true... also many of the rolling ones are a paint pull along -
either biting the back of your ankles, or not really balancing well.
Sometimes I take a folding trolly, and a normal box. Alas there seems to
be no ideal solution.

What our pros do is have a ute with massive great toolboxes all down
the sides. Park it near the job. Even full trucks done like that. Thats how
the local council redid the kerbing just last week with a decent sized full
truck like that with tool boxes all down both sides and a camping chair
for the council bludger to sit on to have his meal break.

Many thanks, as ever, for all the helpful thoughts. I've pretty much
decided on shelving, with clear plastic boxes for small items and perhaps
cutlery-type trays for files, screwdrivers and the like.

On Saturday, 13 May 2017 09:28:42 UTC+1, Bert Coules wrote:
Many thanks, as ever, for all the helpful thoughts. I've pretty much
decided on shelving, with clear plastic boxes for small items and perhaps
cutlery-type trays for files, screwdrivers and the like.

I prefer cardboard trays to those. They're plentiful & free, they survive being dropped, they come in lots of heights. Plastic breaks too easily.


NT

In message , Bert
Coules writes
Many thanks, as ever, for all the helpful thoughts. I've pretty much
decided on shelving, with clear plastic boxes for small items and
perhaps cutlery-type trays for files, screwdrivers and the like.

Easy to drill a screwdriver size hole in your shelf and slot it in.
Nobody has yet mentioned Terry (spring) clips and I am not a huge fan.
Stacks of plastic component bins are 'kin expensive in my view!


--
Tim Lamb

On 13/05/2017 09:57, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Bert
Coules writes
Many thanks, as ever, for all the helpful thoughts. I've pretty much
decided on shelving, with clear plastic boxes for small items and
perhaps cutlery-type trays for files, screwdrivers and the like.

Easy to drill a screwdriver size hole in your shelf and slot it in.
Nobody has yet mentioned Terry (spring) clips and I am not a huge fan.
Stacks of plastic component bins are 'kin expensive in my view!

Might be worth keeping an eye on a place like Makro - a while back they
were doing their normal metal racked shelving units[1], and flogging
some quite decent storage boxes for about £15 extra.

[1] http://www.makro.co.uk/heavy-duty-5-...nit-175kg.html

In fact, looks like they still do them:

http://www.makro.co.uk/tontarelli-st...-x-22-ltr.html

They are reasonably study compared to some.


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"Bert Coules" wrote in message
o.uk...
Many thanks, as ever, for all the helpful thoughts. I've pretty much
decided on shelving, with clear plastic boxes for small items and perhaps
cutlery-type trays for files, screwdrivers and the like.


....so you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to see what is in them,,,good
idea.....sorry

NT wrote:

I prefer cardboard trays to those. They're plentiful & free...

From what source, please?

Jim GM4DHJ wrote:

...so you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to see what is in them,,,good
idea.....sorry

No apology necessary!

"Bert Coules" wrote in message
...
Jim GM4DHJ wrote:

...so you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to see what is in them,,,good
idea.....sorry

No apology necessary!


thanks ...the wife still loves your stuff! .....

"Bert Coules" wrote in message
o.uk...
NT wrote:

I prefer cardboard trays to those. They're plentiful & free...

From what source, please?

Supermarkets.

On Saturday, 13 May 2017 21:07:23 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"Bert Coules" wrote in message
o.uk...
NT wrote:

I prefer cardboard trays to those. They're plentiful & free...

From what source, please?

Supermarkets.

Rod's bimonthly correct answer has come up. There are 3 main sizes of veg tray, one main size of winebox (a dozen bottles iirc).

You can put parcel tape on the front & write with wipe-off marker - the white version is better. Or keep a text file of contents on computer.


NT

Please pass on my thanks.

wrote in message
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On Saturday, 13 May 2017 21:07:23 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"Bert Coules" wrote in message
o.uk...
NT wrote:

I prefer cardboard trays to those. They're plentiful & free...

From what source, please?

Supermarkets.

Rod's bimonthly correct answer has come up. There are 3 main sizes of veg
tray, one main size of winebox (a dozen bottles iirc).

You can put parcel tape on the front & write with wipe-off marker - the
white version is better. Or keep a text file of contents on computer.

I prefer the boxes line printer paper came in,
but you dont see many of those around now.

Tim Lamb wrote:

Stacks of plastic component bins are 'kin expensive in my view!

The custom-made ones are, yes. I was thinking more in terms of cheapo
tupperware-type containers from Asda, Aldi and the like.