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This is inspired by the 'energy' thread. Not a question, really - I'm
just interested in what other people pay for water. I think I pay a lot
(60 pm) but have nothing to compare.

Our situation is slightly complicated in that we're in Scotland and our
premises are combined commercial and residential, with one metered
supply to both.

So, am I paying a lot, or about average?
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This is inspired by the 'energy' thread. Not a question, really - I'm just
interested in what other people pay for water. I think I pay a lot (60 pm)
but have nothing to compare.

Our situation is slightly complicated in that we're in Scotland and our
premises are combined commercial and residential, with one metered supply to
both.

So, am I paying a lot, or about average?


If you are metered, it depends upon what you use plus the inevitable
standing charges plus other fixed charges.

All in, we pay £27 pm, metered, but we are charged on our likely usage
of 246L per day. Because we use less, around 190L we will end up well
in credit.
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On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 08:17:38 +0100, Graeme wrote:

This is inspired by the 'energy' thread. Not a question, really - I'm
just interested in what other people pay for water. I think I pay a lot
(60 pm) but have nothing to compare.

Our situation is slightly complicated in that we're in Scotland and our
premises are combined commercial and residential, with one metered
supply to both.

So, am I paying a lot, or about average?


In England, 3-bed semi, only meself, Anglian Water, £8 pcm. Usage runs out
over a year at about 13 cu. m. (I have ways of reducing some uses - no, not
by not washing or flushing, at least, not totally!).
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This is inspired by the 'energy' thread. Not a question, really - I'm
just interested in what other people pay for water. I think I pay a lot
(60 pm) but have nothing to compare.


In England, 3-bed semi, only meself, Anglian Water, £8 pcm.


Hell's teeth. Two replies, 27 and 8 pcm, compared to my 60 pcm. Having
said that, the Scottish system used rateable values, and I cannot do
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Just me and the wife at my place, South Yorks. On a meter and the annual bill is pushing a grand. I do not know where it goes.

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On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 08:17:38 +0100, Graeme wrote:

This is inspired by the 'energy' thread. Not a question, really - I'm
just interested in what other people pay for water. I think I pay a lot
(60 pm) but have nothing to compare.

Our situation is slightly complicated in that we're in Scotland and our
premises are combined commercial and residential, with one metered
supply to both.

So, am I paying a lot, or about average?


In England, 3-bed semi, only meself, Anglian Water, £8 pcm. Usage runs out
over a year at about 13 cu. m. (I have ways of reducing some uses - no, not
by not washing or flushing, at least, not totally!).


The dates on my bills are irregular but it seems to be around £120 every
3 months. Thats with Yorkshire water

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On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 08:17:38 +0100, Graeme wrote:

This is inspired by the 'energy' thread. Not a question, really - I'm
just interested in what other people pay for water. I think I pay a lot
(60 pm) but have nothing to compare.


In England, 3-bed semi, only meself, Anglian Water, £8 pcm.


That seems ludicrously cheap for potable water in a semi arid climate.

Hell's teeth. Two replies, 27 and 8 pcm, compared to my 60 pcm. Having
said that, the Scottish system used rateable values, and I cannot do
much about that.


Mine is about £20 pcm and as a curiosity since we are on a watershed we
get one bill for supply £ 18pcm and a different one for sewage £30 pcm.
I think most people have a single bill including both. I feel a bit hard
done by that Northumbrian water isn't cheaper than Anglian!

They have some massive reservoirs and no steelworks left to supply.

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On 06/04/2017 08:50, Muddymike wrote:
On 06/04/2017 08:37, PeterC wrote:
On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 08:17:38 +0100, Graeme wrote:

This is inspired by the 'energy' thread. Not a question, really - I'm
just interested in what other people pay for water. I think I pay a lot
(60 pm) but have nothing to compare.

Our situation is slightly complicated in that we're in Scotland and our
premises are combined commercial and residential, with one metered
supply to both.

So, am I paying a lot, or about average?


In England, 3-bed semi, only meself, Anglian Water, £8 pcm. Usage runs
out
over a year at about 13 cu. m. (I have ways of reducing some uses -
no, not
by not washing or flushing, at least, not totally!).


The dates on my bills are irregular but it seems to be around £120 every
3 months. Thats with Yorkshire water


My Yorkshire water sewage only is about £360/year so you are getting a
bargain there - the supply of water to you is effectively free.

Mine is billed as two DD payments six months apart.

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Graeme wrote:

I'm just interested in what other people pay for water.


It hadn't hit my radar until last week, that water supply seems about to
be unbundled from the pipes, in the same was as gas/elec.

3 bed semi in east midlands, Severn Trent, billed on RV basis, £340/year
(about half for clean water, half for waste water including rain runoff,
no soakaways) as a single occupant I'd undoubtedly be better off with a
meter.

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Just me and the wife at my place, South Yorks. On a meter and the
annual bill is pushing a grand. I do not know where it goes.


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On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 08:17:38 +0100, Graeme wrote:

This is inspired by the 'energy' thread. Not a question, really - I'm
just interested in what other people pay for water. I think I pay a lot
(60 pm) but have nothing to compare.


In England, 3-bed semi, only meself, Anglian Water, £8 pcm.


Hell's teeth. Two replies, 27 and 8 pcm, compared to my 60 pcm. Having
said that, the Scottish system used rateable values, and I cannot do
much about that.

Might I point out that pcm might mean Per Cubic Metre or Per Calendar
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Mine is about £20 pcm and as a curiosity since we are on a watershed we
get one bill for supply £ 18pcm and a different one for sewage £30 pcm.


Am I reading that correctly? 20+18+30 pcm overall, for water supply and
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About £34/pcm here - for fresh water in and waste water out (services
supplied by different companies here, as it happens). On a meter too,
just the two of us.



We pay £1083 p.a. for the two of us. We are in England. The sewage plant
is in England and we pay Welsh Water for that. The water, I believe,
comes from Wales and we pay United Utilities in England for that. UU
provide the combined bill that helps maintain the lifestyle of both sets
of fat cats.

We are on rv mainly because when, years ago, I rang and asked about
meters I was told that there was no way I would be provided with a meter
that I could also read myself.

About 2 years ago, I got really angry, sat down and compared what I
would pay for a typical amount of metered water p. a. in London compared
with what I was paying here. Quite a hard sum, taking in all the
standing charges etc for both supply and sewerage.

We are paying about double the London rate.

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Graeme wrote:

Hell's teeth. Two replies, 27 and 8 pcm, compared to my 60 pcm. Having
said that, the Scottish system used rateable values, and I cannot do
much about that.

Might I point out that pcm might mean Per Cubic Metre or Per Calendar
Month, the difference might be rather significant!

Ah! Yes, I'm reading per calendar month, which I think must be correct
as elsewhere I think Martin said he pays 360 per half year or 720 per
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On 06/04/17 08:17, Graeme wrote:

This is inspired by the 'energy' thread. Not a question, really - I'm
just interested in what other people pay for water. I think I pay a lot
(60 pm) but have nothing to compare.

Our situation is slightly complicated in that we're in Scotland and our
premises are combined commercial and residential, with one metered
supply to both.

So, am I paying a lot, or about average?


Meter, single occupant, around £24 per month , East anglia, combined
water and sewage charge.


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On 06/04/2017 08:17, Graeme wrote:

This is inspired by the 'energy' thread. Not a question, really - I'm
just interested in what other people pay for water. I think I pay a lot
(60 pm) but have nothing to compare.

Our situation is slightly complicated in that we're in Scotland and our
premises are combined commercial and residential, with one metered
supply to both.

So, am I paying a lot, or about average?


Detached. 2 bed. 1 person. North Yorks. Metered.
per annum: Usage: 23 cu meters; Cost: GBP175
Quarterly bill from Yorks Water (for both waer & sewage). Yorks Water
provide water, and pass on sewage payment to United Utilities.

Last time I checked, the rateable value bill would have been about
GBP800/year, so I'm happy.

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Mine is about £20 pcm and as a curiosity since we are on a watershed
we get one bill for supply £ 18pcm and a different one for sewage £30
pcm.


Am I reading that correctly? 20+18+30 pcm overall, for water supply and
disposal?


No. My mistake.

I answered about £20 for supply then looked it up and found actuals of
£18 & 30 respectively. Seems like we don't get a good deal on either

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On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 08:17:38 +0100, Graeme wrote:

This is inspired by the 'energy' thread. Not a question, really - I'm
just interested in what other people pay for water. I think I pay a lot
(60 pm) but have nothing to compare.


In England, 3-bed semi, only meself, Anglian Water, £8 pcm.


Hell's teeth. Two replies, 27 and 8 pcm, compared to my 60 pcm. Having
said that, the Scottish system used rateable values, and I cannot do
much about that.


....and in Scotland water is still nationalised, so has no profit on top.

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On 06/04/2017 11:18, Tim Streater wrote:

My meter is about a metre underground at the edge of the 60mph road
that goes past here. I decided against the concept of lying down in the
road, removing the lid and looking down the tube, since most of me
would be invisible to traffic from one direction due to a slight bend.


Seems to me a case for checking the meter at 04:00 on 25 December when
traffic is very light in most places. Red hi-vis jacket and trousers
would add to your safety as well as suit the season



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On 06/04/2017 08:17, Graeme wrote:

This is inspired by the 'energy' thread. Not a question, really - I'm
just interested in what other people pay for water. I think I pay a lot
(60 pm) but have nothing to compare.

Our situation is slightly complicated in that we're in Scotland and our
premises are combined commercial and residential, with one metered
supply to both.

So, am I paying a lot, or about average?


I was paying about £60 every 6 months for metered water but now
they have gone to quarterly bills which is silly for a low user
like me. It's only me and I rarely use a hosepipe, if the grass
goes yellow in summer, it always recovers in Autumn.


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On 06/04/2017 11:18, Tim Streater wrote:

My meter is about a metre underground at the edge of the 60mph road
that goes past here. I decided against the concept of lying down in the
road, removing the lid and looking down the tube, since most of me
would be invisible to traffic from one direction due to a slight bend.


You could accidentally 'break' it and they would fit a modern RFI
enabled meter. Then you only need to work out how to read it remotely.

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Hell's teeth. Two replies, 27 and 8 pcm, compared to my 60 pcm. Having
said that, the Scottish system used rateable values, and I cannot do
much about that.


Is not Scottish water still nationalised?


Indeed, which was part of the reason for the initial question, even
though I cannot do much about it. Reassuring to realise that, having
read more replies, mine is probably about right for a large-ish house,
plus shop and three people including a teenager who runs a shower long
enough to fill a small swimming pool. What does he *do* in there? No,
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Andrew wrote:
On 06/04/2017 11:18, Tim Streater wrote:

My meter is about a metre underground at the edge of the 60mph road
that goes past here. I decided against the concept of lying down in the
road, removing the lid and looking down the tube, since most of me
would be invisible to traffic from one direction due to a slight bend.


You could accidentally 'break' it and they would fit a modern RFI
enabled meter. Then you only need to work out how to read it remotely.

Andrew


We've just been fitted with a RFI meter, from what I can see, you can
only read it remotely. No sign of any dials.
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On 06/04/2017 12:56, Capitol wrote:

We've just been fitted with a RFI meter, from what I can see, you
can only read it remotely. No sign of any dials.


IIRC Ofwat require water meters to be readable by consumers. So I mean
no insult when I ask if have you checked that there is not a cover over
the eye-ball readable display? I met one such where the plastic cover
matched the plastic meter housing so from above it was hard to spot the
"join" - especially through half a meter of mucky water

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You're all making me feel good. Latest bill from Severn Trent this
morning - £78.54 for 24 weeks, 104 pints a day they helpfully tell me,
single occupancy, metered.
Last October it was £92.72 for 27 weeks, 121 pints. I used 3 cu metres
less this time which I think might be the outcome of being out for 13
hours a day for 20 days over Christmas.


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About £34/pcm here - for fresh water in and waste water out (services
supplied by different companies here, as it happens). On a meter too,
just the two of us.



We pay £1083 p.a. for the two of us. We are in England. The sewage plant
is in England and we pay Welsh Water for that. The water, I believe,
comes from Wales and we pay United Utilities in England for that. UU
provide the combined bill that helps maintain the lifestyle of both sets
of fat cats.

We are on rv mainly because when, years ago, I rang and asked about
meters I was told that there was no way I would be provided with a meter
that I could also read myself.

About 2 years ago, I got really angry, sat down and compared what I
would pay for a typical amount of metered water p. a. in London compared
with what I was paying here. Quite a hard sum, taking in all the
standing charges etc for both supply and sewerage.

We are paying about double the London rate.

I remain yours incandescently.


Before I opted for a meter, I bought my own meter and installed it under
the kitchen sink on the rising main so that I could check usage and see
whether I would be better off. When I subsequently applied for a meter,
Severn Trent simply replaced my meter with theirs - which I *can* read.
If they'd insisted on installing it outside where I couldn't read it,
I'd have left mine in place so that I could check their readings.

Couldn't you do something similar? My metered supply is costing only
just over half of what I would be paying, based on rateable value.
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On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 11:37:02 +0100
Robin wrote:

On 06/04/2017 11:18, Tim Streater wrote:

My meter is about a metre underground at the edge of the 60mph road
that goes past here. I decided against the concept of lying down in
the road, removing the lid and looking down the tube, since most of
me would be invisible to traffic from one direction due to a slight
bend.


Seems to me a case for checking the meter at 04:00 on 25 December
when traffic is very light in most places. Red hi-vis jacket and
trousers would add to your safety as well as suit the season




Not forgetting the painted luminous chevrons on the back of the parked
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Graeme wrote:

This is inspired by the 'energy' thread. Not a question, really -
I'm just interested in what other people pay for water. I think I
pay a lot (60 pm) but have nothing to compare.

Our situation is slightly complicated in that we're in Scotland and
our premises are combined commercial and residential, with one
metered supply to both.

So, am I paying a lot, or about average?


East Anglia, not metered, different companies for sewage and water,
decent-sized detached house.
Water bill is paid over 10 months of the year, total of £314 p.a.
Sewage bill is per quarter, total of 313 p.a.

So total water and sewerage bill is £630 p.a. approx.

Must be one of the highest mentioned here, if not the highest. Just
like the hardness, officially Very Hard Water, so I have to add
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On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 08:17:38 +0100, Graeme wrote:

So, am I paying a lot, or about average?


All the answers seem to be for a metered supply, so:

Unmetered, water only (*), United Utils, Cumbria, £320.77/year =
£26.73/month.

(*) Waste is via our septic tank.


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On Thu, 06 Apr 2017 15:27:23 +0000, Huge wrote:

On 2017-04-06, Robin wrote:
On 06/04/2017 12:56, Capitol wrote:

We've just been fitted with a RFI meter, from what I can see, you
can only read it remotely. No sign of any dials.


IIRC Ofwat require water meters to be readable by consumers.


Realy? Wow. The first thing I had to do was find mine. It's buried in a
hedgerow about 200 yards away.


Meters remote from property and shared supplies do seem to confuse Water
board employees.

One came to swap our meter; I watched him wander along the verge, up the
drive, around the garden and then he eventually came to the door. I
suggested he get back in his van and drive up the road to a particular
gateway. He should then walk across the field until he came to a
drystone wall and the meter would be just this side of the wall at the LHS
of gateway.

He asked where the stop cock was.

Told hime that he needed to cross the next field and go across the
farmyard, tell the farmer his water would be going off and that he would
find it about 20 yds along the farm drive.

He looked at me and said he wouldn't bother - he'd just report that it
needed extra pipework that he didn't carry and someone else would come
out.

That was about 4 years ago.
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it's about £40/quarter. [Rummage, rummage, rummage] Ah,
here it is, in the filing pile, just paid the quarter from 13/12/16 to
16/3/17 and it was £40.76, i.e., £13.50 pcm. Anglian Water.


That might not work out equally per month though, here they split the
annual amount over 8 months, so you only pay from April to November,
then you get a 4 month "holiday".


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On 06/04/2017 12:46, Graeme wrote:
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On 2017-04-06, Graeme wrote:

Hell's teeth. Two replies, 27 and 8 pcm, compared to my 60 pcm. Having
said that, the Scottish system used rateable values, and I cannot do
much about that.


Is not Scottish water still nationalised?


Indeed, which was part of the reason for the initial question, even
though I cannot do much about it. Reassuring to realise that, having
read more replies, mine is probably about right for a large-ish house,
plus shop and three people including a teenager who runs a shower long
enough to fill a small swimming pool. What does he *do* in there? No,
I don't want to know ...


I would have thought a teenager would be done and dusted in two minutes.

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On 06/04/17 08:17, Graeme wrote:

This is inspired by the 'energy' thread. Not a question, really - I'm
just interested in what other people pay for water. I think I pay a lot
(60 pm) but have nothing to compare.

Our situation is slightly complicated in that we're in Scotland and our
premises are combined commercial and residential, with one metered
supply to both.

So, am I paying a lot, or about average?



2 bed semi in Somerset, no meter€” rateable value, private drainage so
water only: £201 pa.



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On 06/04/2017 08:35, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Graeme pretended :
This is inspired by the 'energy' thread. Not a question, really - I'm
just interested in what other people pay for water. I think I pay a
lot (60 pm) but have nothing to compare.

Our situation is slightly complicated in that we're in Scotland and
our premises are combined commercial and residential, with one metered
supply to both.

So, am I paying a lot, or about average?


If you are metered, it depends upon what you use plus the inevitable
standing charges plus other fixed charges.

All in, we pay £27 pm, metered, but we are charged on our likely usage
of 246L per day. Because we use less, around 190L we will end up well in
credit.


£60 month for water alone would be equivalent to a super water user in a
household of 5

See
https://www.eswater.co.uk/_assets/do...F_v7_NO_CM.pdf


SE England
My charges for water
£41.50 per annum for standing charges
plus £1.47 per cubic meter (1000 litres)
minus £3.50 per annum for paying by direct debit

Sewage charges are a separate bill but (part) based on metered water
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On 06/04/2017 08:43, Graeme wrote:
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This is inspired by the 'energy' thread. Not a question, really - I'm
just interested in what other people pay for water. I think I pay a lot
(60 pm) but have nothing to compare.


In England, 3-bed semi, only meself, Anglian Water, £8 pcm.


Hell's teeth. Two replies, 27 and 8 pcm, compared to my 60 pcm. Having
said that, the Scottish system used rateable values, and I cannot do
much about that.


In England non-metered water is based on rateable value but not metered
water. Are you sure that your bills are not based on usage.

My bills are around £12 per month for water alone and approx another £12
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On Thu, 06 Apr 2017 08:17:38 +0100, Graeme wrote:

This is inspired by the 'energy' thread. Not a question, really - I'm
just interested in what other people pay for water. I think I pay a lot
(60 pm) but have nothing to compare.

Our situation is slightly complicated in that we're in Scotland and our
premises are combined commercial and residential, with one metered
supply to both.

So, am I paying a lot, or about average?


Water and waste here in Kent. Different companies for each, but about £70
a month on non-metered.

We have just gone over to a meter, and my estimate is that it's going to
go down to about £60 a month.



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On Thu, 06 Apr 2017 21:56:35 +0100, alan_m wrote:

On 06/04/2017 08:43, Graeme wrote:
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On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 08:17:38 +0100, Graeme wrote:

This is inspired by the 'energy' thread. Not a question, really -
I'm just interested in what other people pay for water. I think I
pay a lot (60 pm) but have nothing to compare.

In England, 3-bed semi, only meself, Anglian Water, £8 pcm.


Hell's teeth. Two replies, 27 and 8 pcm, compared to my 60 pcm. Having
said that, the Scottish system used rateable values, and I cannot do
much about that.


In England non-metered water is based on rateable value but not metered
water. Are you sure that your bills are not based on usage.


A sweeping (and thus inaccurate) statement. Water meters are common now,
and in the next few years most people will end up with one.

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On Thu, 06 Apr 2017 21:20:42 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Thu, 06 Apr 2017 08:17:38 +0100, Graeme wrote:

This is inspired by the 'energy' thread. Not a question, really - I'm
just interested in what other people pay for water. I think I pay a
lot (60 pm) but have nothing to compare.

Our situation is slightly complicated in that we're in Scotland and our
premises are combined commercial and residential, with one metered
supply to both.

So, am I paying a lot, or about average?


Water and waste here in Kent. Different companies for each, but about
£70 a month on non-metered.

We have just gone over to a meter, and my estimate is that it's going to
go down to about £60 a month.


P.S. 5 bedroom terraced house; 2 adults, two semi-trained adults. Mostly
baths, not showers.

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