In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

For the over-60s, bus passes can act as ID cards.

And those over 64 (born in the UK before Feb 1952) will already have
Identity cards which they were required to carry with them by law up to
that date.

********. I have no ID card and have never been required to carry one

I am not qualified to comment on the state of your genitalia, but I do
know about the National Registration Act 1939. If you were a british
subject and alive at any time between the end of September 1939 and
February 1952 you would have been required to register and to carry the
identity card that was issued to you until feb 1952. As with Charles, my
identity card was issued a week or so after the registration of my birth.

Alan

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In article ,
Alan Dawes wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

For the over-60s, bus passes can act as ID cards.

And those over 64 (born in the UK before Feb 1952) will already have
Identity cards which they were required to carry with them by law up
to that date.

********. I have no ID card and have never been required to carry one

I am not qualified to comment on the state of your genitalia, but I do
know about the National Registration Act 1939. If you were a british
subject and alive at any time between the end of September 1939 and
February 1952 you would have been required to register and to carry the
identity card that was issued to you until feb 1952. As with Charles, my
identity card was issued a week or so after the registration of my birth.

There was an exception - which is why my father's ID card wasn't issued
until August 1945. Can you guess waht that exception was?

--
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On 2/5/2017 12:45 PM, Alan Dawes wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

For the over-60s, bus passes can act as ID cards.

And those over 64 (born in the UK before Feb 1952) will already have
Identity cards which they were required to carry with them by law up to
that date.

********. I have no ID card and have never been required to carry one

I am not qualified to comment on the state of your genitalia, but I do
know about the National Registration Act 1939. If you were a british
subject and alive at any time between the end of September 1939 and
February 1952 you would have been required to register and to carry the
identity card that was issued to you until feb 1952. As with Charles, my
identity card was issued a week or so after the registration of my birth.

When my mother sold her house, she sorted out lots of old documents, and
gave my my identity card. I still have it. Brownish cardboard-type
material - but no photo, as I was an infant. The adult ID documents I've
seen, did have photos.

En el artículo , Alan Dawes
escribió:

I am not qualified to comment on the state of your genitalia

Non-existent. HTH, HAND.

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In article , S Viemeister
wrote:
On 2/5/2017 12:45 PM, Alan Dawes wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

For the over-60s, bus passes can act as ID cards.

And those over 64 (born in the UK before Feb 1952) will already have
Identity cards which they were required to carry with them by law up
to that date.

********. I have no ID card and have never been required to carry one

I am not qualified to comment on the state of your genitalia, but I do
know about the National Registration Act 1939. If you were a british
subject and alive at any time between the end of September 1939 and
February 1952 you would have been required to register and to carry the
identity card that was issued to you until feb 1952. As with Charles,
my identity card was issued a week or so after the registration of my
birth.

When my mother sold her house, she sorted out lots of old documents, and
gave my my identity card. I still have it. Brownish cardboard-type
material - but no photo, as I was an infant. The adult ID documents I've
seen, did have photos.

I have my father's old one - it had no photograph.

--
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In article ,
S Viemeister wrote:
On 2/4/2017 7:20 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Mike Humphrey wrote:
That's what some US states do - you can get a "driving license" even if
you can't drive - it shows you have no entitlement to drive but can
still be used as ID. We could quite easily introduce that here, just
allow DVLA to issue license cards that show "no entitlement" against all
categories.

Isn't that just an identity card by another name?

For the over-60s, bus passes can act as ID cards.

As can a driving licence - if you have one. Or a passport. If you have one.

But not everyone has a passport or driving licence or is old enough to
have a bus pass.

So what is the suggestion for a decent method for them?

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In article ,
Alan Dawes wrote:
And those over 64 (born in the UK before Feb 1952) will already have
Identity cards which they were required to carry with them by law up to
that date.

Really? I was born long before then and don't remember ever having one -
let alone carrying it around.


A few years ago I came across mine and used it to cause
confusion at London City airport!

Not surprised. ;-)

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In article ,
Alan Dawes wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

For the over-60s, bus passes can act as ID cards.

And those over 64 (born in the UK before Feb 1952) will already have
Identity cards which they were required to carry with them by law up to
that date.

********. I have no ID card and have never been required to carry one

I am not qualified to comment on the state of your genitalia, but I do
know about the National Registration Act 1939. If you were a british
subject and alive at any time between the end of September 1939 and
February 1952 you would have been required to register and to carry the
identity card that was issued to you until feb 1952. As with Charles, my
identity card was issued a week or so after the registration of my birth.

Are you certain everyone had to be registered at birth for one?

Not the same as a ration card?

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On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 03:27:35 +1100, "Rod Speed" wrote:

snip


I'd say that they should not have sent that information
by email : formal complaint to their Data Controller.

Who will file it in the round filing cabinet under his desk where it
belongs.


Sorry that you don't understand how official complaint to the ICO are handled.
May I suggest their web-site.

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , Alan Dawes
wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

For the over-60s, bus passes can act as ID cards.

And those over 64 (born in the UK before Feb 1952) will already
have Identity cards which they were required to carry with them by
law up to that date.

********. I have no ID card and have never been required to carry one

I am not qualified to comment on the state of your genitalia, but I do
know about the National Registration Act 1939. If you were a british
subject and alive at any time between the end of September 1939 and
February 1952 you would have been required to register and to carry the
identity card that was issued to you until feb 1952. As with Charles,
my identity card was issued a week or so after the registration of my
birth.

Are you certain everyone had to be registered at birth for one?

Not the same as a ration card?

a Ration Card had coupons which had to be cut out and given to the shop
before you could buy rationed items. They only lasted a limited period
before they ran out.

I'm sure that the instructions for Identity Cards will have asked parents
to look after them for children. I don't think small childen were
considered Nazi spies

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On Sun, 05 Feb 2017 18:00:23 +0000, charles wrote:

In article ,
Alan Dawes wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

For the over-60s, bus passes can act as ID cards.

And those over 64 (born in the UK before Feb 1952) will already
have Identity cards which they were required to carry with them by
law up to that date.

********. I have no ID card and have never been required to carry one

I am not qualified to comment on the state of your genitalia, but I do
know about the National Registration Act 1939. If you were a british
subject and alive at any time between the end of September 1939 and
February 1952 you would have been required to register and to carry the
identity card that was issued to you until feb 1952. As with Charles,
my identity card was issued a week or so after the registration of my
birth.

There was an exception - which is why my father's ID card wasn't issued
until August 1945. Can you guess waht that exception was?

POW.



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On 2/5/2017 2:35 PM, charles wrote:

a Ration Card had coupons which had to be cut out and given to the shop
before you could buy rationed items. They only lasted a limited period
before they ran out.

I still have my infant ration book; yes, a different document altogether.

I'm sure that the instructions for Identity Cards will have asked parents
to look after them for children. I don't think small childen were
considered Nazi spies

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
S Viemeister wrote:
On 2/4/2017 7:20 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Mike Humphrey wrote:
That's what some US states do - you can get a "driving license" even
if
you can't drive - it shows you have no entitlement to drive but can
still be used as ID. We could quite easily introduce that here, just
allow DVLA to issue license cards that show "no entitlement" against
all
categories.

Isn't that just an identity card by another name?

For the over-60s, bus passes can act as ID cards.

As can a driving licence - if you have one. Or a passport. If you have
one.

But not everyone has a passport or driving licence or is old enough to
have a bus pass.

So what is the suggestion for a decent method for them?

Our operation that does the driving licenses also does them for
those who need an identity document but arent allowed to drive.

Judith wrote
Rod Speed wrote

I'd say that they should not have sent that information
by email : formal complaint to their Data Controller.

who will file it in the round filing cabinet under his desk where it
belongs.

Sorry that you don't understand how official complaint to the ICO are
handled.

You said nothing about the ICO, ****wit.

On 05/02/2017 18:35, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
S Viemeister wrote:
On 2/4/2017 7:20 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Mike Humphrey wrote:
That's what some US states do - you can get a "driving license" even if
you can't drive - it shows you have no entitlement to drive but can
still be used as ID. We could quite easily introduce that here, just
allow DVLA to issue license cards that show "no entitlement" against all
categories.

Isn't that just an identity card by another name?

For the over-60s, bus passes can act as ID cards.

As can a driving licence - if you have one. Or a passport. If you have one.

But not everyone has a passport or driving licence or is old enough to
have a bus pass.

So what is the suggestion for a decent method for them?

Why should we have to prove who we are? It doesn't prove we are 'decent'
in any case.

--
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In article ,
Max Demian wrote:
On 05/02/2017 18:35, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
S Viemeister wrote:
On 2/4/2017 7:20 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Mike Humphrey wrote:
That's what some US states do - you can get a "driving license"
even if you can't drive - it shows you have no entitlement to drive
but can still be used as ID. We could quite easily introduce that
here, just allow DVLA to issue license cards that show "no
entitlement" against all categories.

Isn't that just an identity card by another name?

For the over-60s, bus passes can act as ID cards.

As can a driving licence - if you have one. Or a passport. If you have
one.

But not everyone has a passport or driving licence or is old enough to
have a bus pass.

So what is the suggestion for a decent method for them?

Why should we have to prove who we are? It doesn't prove we are 'decent'
in any case.

Not me who started this thread.

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On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 08:29:13 +1100, "Rod Speed" wrote:

Judith wrote
Rod Speed wrote

I'd say that they should not have sent that information
by email : formal complaint to their Data Controller.

who will file it in the round filing cabinet under his desk where it
belongs.

Sorry that you don't understand how official complaint to the ICO are
handled.

You said nothing about the ICO, ****wit.


As I said : you don't understand how to complain about such matters and the
escalation process.

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Alan Dawes wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

For the over-60s, bus passes can act as ID cards.

And those over 64 (born in the UK before Feb 1952) will already
have Identity cards which they were required to carry with them by
law up to that date.

********. I have no ID card and have never been required to carry one

I am not qualified to comment on the state of your genitalia, but I do
know about the National Registration Act 1939. If you were a british
subject and alive at any time between the end of September 1939 and
February 1952 you would have been required to register and to carry
the identity card that was issued to you until feb 1952. As with
Charles, my identity card was issued a week or so after the
registration of my birth.

Are you certain everyone had to be registered at birth for one?

Yes. There is a lot of information on line about the National Registration
Act 1939 and subsequent ammendments.

Not the same as a ration card?

No, - you needed to be registered and I'm pretty sure that you had to have
an identity card in order to collect your ration card, but I don't know
what was required between the end of national registration in 1952 and the
final end of rationing (meat and bacon) on 4th July 1954.

Alan

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On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 3:25:55 PM UTC, charles wrote:
In article ,
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Dave Plowman (News)
escribió:

It's about time we moved into the 20th century (let alone the 21st)
and had proper ID cards.

You've got one. Your passport. Why do you think we need yet more
bureaucracy?

a passport is too big and bulky to carry in your wallet.

--
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In Ireland the post office will make you a credit card sized facsimile of the relevant page of your passport which can be used as id but not travel obvioulsy

In article ,
Alan Dawes wrote:
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Alan Dawes wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

For the over-60s, bus passes can act as ID cards.

And those over 64 (born in the UK before Feb 1952) will already
have Identity cards which they were required to carry with them by
law up to that date.

********. I have no ID card and have never been required to carry
one

I am not qualified to comment on the state of your genitalia, but I do
know about the National Registration Act 1939. If you were a british
subject and alive at any time between the end of September 1939 and
February 1952 you would have been required to register and to carry
the identity card that was issued to you until feb 1952. As with
Charles, my identity card was issued a week or so after the
registration of my birth.

Are you certain everyone had to be registered at birth for one?

Yes. There is a lot of information on line about the National Registration
Act 1939 and subsequent ammendments.

Not the same as a ration card?

No, - you needed to be registered and I'm pretty sure that you had to have
an identity card in order to collect your ration card, but I don't know
what was required between the end of national registration in 1952 and the
final end of rationing (meat and bacon) on 4th July 1954.

I remember sweets coming off the ration about a year before that.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 13:15:24 +0000, Max Demian wrote:

On 04/02/2017 12:32, mechanic wrote:
On Sat, 04 Feb 2017 10:41:52 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

As soon as you have an official identity card, there is pressure
from law enforcement that not carrying it be an offence.

Works in France!

Do you mean your are, or you aren't required to carry your ID card (if
you are French)?

Not carrying such ID is an offense (in France), and people are used
to carrying it. I don't think this is just part of the 'state of
emergency' currently in place.

On 06/02/17 15:15, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , mechanic
wrote:

On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 13:15:24 +0000, Max Demian wrote:

On 04/02/2017 12:32, mechanic wrote:
On Sat, 04 Feb 2017 10:41:52 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

As soon as you have an official identity card, there is pressure
from law enforcement that not carrying it be an offence.

Works in France!

Do you mean your are, or you aren't required to carry your ID card
(if you are French)?

Not carrying such ID is an offense (in France), and people are used
to carrying it. I don't think this is just part of the 'state of
emergency' currently in place.

Exactly. We don't have that "Authority knows best" mindset in this
country and long may that remain so.

Its not a national trait, its a New Left trait.

As I mentioned elsewhere, its has to do with people who think they are
smart because they learnt stuff by rote from smart people.

Of course smart people can be lying...and may not be as smart as they
appear.

It has been identified as the trait of people who meed a religion, but
haven't got one.

Post modern political correctness and moral outrage fills the gaping
chasm...


It's too late for Our Dave, of course, he thinks that "hundreds of
other experts" constitutes proper scientific enquiry.


For him, they do.

Typical concentration camp guard really.


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On Friday, 3 February 2017 13:38:45 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Huge wrote:
An email print out is not going to be suitable as (part) proof of
identity. Far too easy to forge.

You'd generally need a paper bill (which would be sent to your address)

And is utterly useless to prove anything;

http://www.replaceyourdocs.com/

True. It's about time we moved into the 20th century (let alone the 21st)
and had proper ID cards.

Yep what wrong with finger prints.


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On Sunday, 5 February 2017 11:31:31 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Huge wrote:
That's what some US states do - you can get a "driving license" even
if you can't drive - it shows you have no entitlement to drive but
can still be used as ID. We could quite easily introduce that here,
just allow DVLA to issue license cards that show "no entitlement"
against all categories.

Isn't that just an identity card by another name?

I've not really got firm views either way - but am rather suspicious of
those who are dead set against them.

And that attitude is one of the reasons I'm dead set against them.

Not really susrprised. But I'd be more impressed by some firm reasons why
they'd be a bad thing.

you've never heard of fake ID cards lost of them in the USA.

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
Not carrying such ID is an offense (in France), and people are used
to carrying it. I don't think this is just part of the 'state of
emergency' currently in place.

Exactly. We don't have that "Authority knows best" mindset in this
country and long may that remain so.

So are perfectly happy to have no idea who roams our streets? Fairy nuff.

It's too late for Our Dave, of course, he thinks that "hundreds of
other experts" constitutes proper scientific enquiry.

Over what you believe because you've read it in the Mail? Anytime.

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In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 3 February 2017 13:38:45 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Huge wrote:
An email print out is not going to be suitable as (part) proof of
identity. Far too easy to forge.

You'd generally need a paper bill (which would be sent to your
address)

And is utterly useless to prove anything;

http://www.replaceyourdocs.com/

True. It's about time we moved into the 20th century (let alone the
21st) and had proper ID cards.

Yep what wrong with finger prints.

You would prefer everyone's finger prints to be on a central database?

That's certainly one view. DNA too?

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On Monday, 6 February 2017 16:27:44 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 3 February 2017 13:38:45 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Huge wrote:
An email print out is not going to be suitable as (part) proof of
identity. Far too easy to forge.

You'd generally need a paper bill (which would be sent to your
address)

And is utterly useless to prove anything;

http://www.replaceyourdocs.com/

True. It's about time we moved into the 20th century (let alone the
21st) and had proper ID cards.

Yep what wrong with finger prints.

You would prefer everyone's finger prints to be on a central database?

Depends what you mean by central doesn't it.
I don't think my finger prints need to be on a central server to access my iPhone.

I've been wondering why it's not secure enogh for starting cars


That's certainly one view. DNA too?

Why too, do you need both.
There's retinal scans too, dental records.
of course the best system would be an implant like they have for cats a dogs, although it could be a bit more informative, then yuo copuld use it for almost anything from oyster card to accessing the white house or buck-palace, or to prove you're old enough to drink.

"Judith" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 08:29:13 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Judith wrote
Rod Speed wrote

I'd say that they should not have sent that information
by email : formal complaint to their Data Controller.

who will file it in the round filing cabinet under his desk where it
belongs.

Sorry that you don't understand how official complaint to the ICO are
handled.

You said nothing about the ICO, ****wit.


As I said : you don't understand how to complain about such matters and
the
escalation process.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Monday, 6 February 2017 16:27:44 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Friday, 3 February 2017 13:38:45 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Huge wrote:
An email print out is not going to be suitable as (part) proof of
identity. Far too easy to forge.

You'd generally need a paper bill (which would be sent to your
address)

And is utterly useless to prove anything;

http://www.replaceyourdocs.com/

True. It's about time we moved into the 20th century (let alone the
21st) and had proper ID cards.

Yep what wrong with finger prints.

You would prefer everyone's finger prints to be on a central database?

Depends what you mean by central doesn't it.
I don't think my finger prints need to be on a central server to access my
iPhone.

I've been wondering why it's not secure enogh for starting cars

It is and you can do that with it.

That's certainly one view. DNA too?

Why too, do you need both.
There's retinal scans too, dental records.
of course the best system would be an implant like they have for cats a
dogs, although it could be a bit more informative, then yuo copuld use it
for almost anything from oyster card to accessing the white house or
buck-palace, or to prove you're old enough to drink.

In article ,
charles wrote:
In article ,
Alan Dawes wrote:
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Alan Dawes wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

For the over-60s, bus passes can act as ID cards.

And those over 64 (born in the UK before Feb 1952) will
already have Identity cards which they were required to carry
with them by law up to that date.

********. I have no ID card and have never been required to
carry one

I am not qualified to comment on the state of your genitalia, but
I do know about the National Registration Act 1939. If you were a
british subject and alive at any time between the end of September
1939 and February 1952 you would have been required to register
and to carry the identity card that was issued to you until feb
1952. As with Charles, my identity card was issued a week or so
after the registration of my birth.

Are you certain everyone had to be registered at birth for one?

Yes. There is a lot of information on line about the National
Registration Act 1939 and subsequent ammendments.

Not the same as a ration card?

No, - you needed to be registered and I'm pretty sure that you had to
have an identity card in order to collect your ration card, but I
don't know what was required between the end of national registration
in 1952 and the final end of rationing (meat and bacon) on 4th July
1954.

I remember sweets coming off the ration about a year before that.

Was that done because of the coronation?

Alan

--


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In article ,
charles wrote:
There was an exception - which is why my father's ID card wasn't issued
until August 1945. Can you guess waht that exception was?

Not really but here are some guesses:

Enemy alien incarcerated in a detention camp on the Isle of man for the
duration of the war.

Working in Germany in 1939 and incarcerated by the Germans.

A foreign national (from a "friendly" country) working in this country who
had their own ID eg passport.

I did wonder if in some branches of the armed force the paybook was
accepted as ID.

I don't know - please tell.

Alan

--


Using an ARMX6

In article ,
Alan Dawes wrote:
In article ,
charles wrote:
There was an exception - which is why my father's ID card wasn't issued
until August 1945. Can you guess waht that exception was?

Not really but here are some guesses:

Enemy alien incarcerated in a detention camp on the Isle of man for the
duration of the war.

Working in Germany in 1939 and incarcerated by the Germans.

A foreign national (from a "friendly" country) working in this country who
had their own ID eg passport.

I did wonder if in some branches of the armed force the paybook was
accepted as ID.

I don't know - please tell.


It's the last of your suggestions. That's why his ID card is dated from
when he was "demobbed".

I had an uncle where probably no 2 applied - except he wasn't incarcerated
by the Germans.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

So are perfectly happy to have no idea who roams our streets? Fairy nuff.

You think anyone up to no good will have legit id? Didn't stop
cross-border terrorism from Belgium, did it?

whisky-dave wrote:
snip
Why too, do you need both. There's retinal scans too, dental records. of
course the best system would be an implant like they have for cats a dogs,
although it could be a bit more informative, then yuo copuld use it for
almost anything from oyster card to accessing the white house or
buck-palace, or to prove you're old enough to drink.

Or indeed what buildings you're allowed in, and who it is appropriate
for you to breed with. Or indeed anything else the government of the
day wishes to regulate.

--

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On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 20:14:40 +0000, (Roger Hayter)
wrote:

whisky-dave wrote:
snip
Why too, do you need both. There's retinal scans too, dental records. of
course the best system would be an implant like they have for cats a dogs,
although it could be a bit more informative, then yuo copuld use it for
almost anything from oyster card to accessing the white house or
buck-palace, or to prove you're old enough to drink.

Or indeed what buildings you're allowed in, and who it is appropriate
for you to breed with.
Hey, that's not a bad idea!