Having been in the same house for just over 30 years we're considering a
move to a more "interesting" house, but many of them are grade II listed
and some thatched. It would be great to hear from anyone here who has
experience of listed houses. Some questions a how restrictive is
grade 2 listing? and what are the typical real world maintenance
problems? ... but any info would be useful at this stage.

On 20/01/17 10:59, wrote:
Having been in the same house for just over 30 years we're considering a
move to a more "interesting" house, but many of them are grade II listed
and some thatched. It would be great to hear from anyone here who has
experience of listed houses. Some questions a how restrictive is
grade 2 listing? and what are the typical real world maintenance
problems? ... but any info would be useful at this stage.

The problem is you must always repair back rather than rip out, and upgrade.

This makes any major maintenance relatively expensive. - 2-5 times typically




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On Friday, 20 January 2017 10:59:17 UTC, wrote:
Having been in the same house for just over 30 years we're considering a
move to a more "interesting" house, but many of them are grade II listed
and some thatched. It would be great to hear from anyone here who has
experience of listed houses. Some questions a how restrictive is
grade 2 listing? and what are the typical real world maintenance
problems? ... but any info would be useful at this stage.

A lot depends on what *actually* is listed and on what you want to do.

If it's timber frame you may be allowed to knock out some infill in walls to open up a room, but you probably will not be allowed to remove any of the actual timber frame itself. If it's Georgian you may be able to knock through a stud wall, between rooms, but only partially, to preserve any cornice detail, and will have to satisfy the conservation officer how you intend to match up the floor and wall joins.

With current thinking you might be allowed to add a glass spaceship to the side (because it 'preserves the narrative' of the building) but a little mock-period side extension might be prohibited.

You need to check very carefully for any unauthorised works by previous owners that have been done since listing. There is a risk you might have to reverse them.

periodproperty forum may be useful.

Owain

On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 11:04:16 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 20/01/17 10:59, wrote:
Having been in the same house for just over 30 years we're considering a
move to a more "interesting" house, but many of them are grade II listed
and some thatched. It would be great to hear from anyone here who has
experience of listed houses. Some questions a how restrictive is
grade 2 listing? and what are the typical real world maintenance
problems? ... but any info would be useful at this stage.

The problem is you must always repair back rather than rip out, and upgrade.

This makes any major maintenance relatively expensive. - 2-5 times typically

Additionally a lot of such buildings may also be part of a
conservation area which may mean a few more restrictions/controls, and
having one in a National Park involves another level of people you may
have to deal with.



G.Harman

On 20/01/2017 11:04, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/01/17 10:59, wrote:
Having been in the same house for just over 30 years we're considering a
move to a more "interesting" house, but many of them are grade II listed
and some thatched. It would be great to hear from anyone here who has
experience of listed houses. Some questions a how restrictive is
grade 2 listing? and what are the typical real world maintenance
problems? ... but any info would be useful at this stage.

The problem is you must always repair back rather than rip out, and
upgrade.

It also depends a lot on what architectural features and window frames
the building has. You may find that double glazing is not permitted and
new window frames have to be handmade to an exact match specification.

If there is dry rot or anything else nasty going on then you may not
have a choice but to remove and replace like for like. Repair and
restore is always preferred as a first approach though. The inspectors
seemed to be fairly pragmatic when it was a choice between renovating
sympathetically or leaving the building derelict until it fell down.

This makes any major maintenance relatively expensive. - 2-5 times
typically

I guess thatch is slightly less problematic than obscure handmade
claypan tiles in that respect. But labour costs obviously much higher.
Anyone buying a grade II listed building needs to go in with their eyes
and wallets open. Other things that can make life tricky are having
resident bats which obviously limits when you can replace the roof.

My house might have been listed if it had not been unsympathetically
extended well before the legislation came into force. Many of the other
old buildings in our village are listed - one is even a grade 2* (and
recently renovated to habitability at great expense). The manor house
would have been grade I listed if it hadn't been demolished in the 50's.

As a concrete example they had to remove the original Victorian
hexagonal tiles from the stable walls without damaging them before
starting work and replace them again afterwards (as a nice feature).
Seemed like a lot of faff to me but looking online they may well be
incredibly rare since I can't find any published examples.

There was also a rare Arts&Crafts wooden staircase designed by William
Morris that had to be dismantled and reassembled in a new position.
Things like this take a lot of time and skilled craftsmen.

Fun to watch them at work if you are not paying for it.

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On Friday, 20 January 2017 11:35:33 UTC, Martin Brown wrote:
As a concrete example they had to remove the original Victorian
hexagonal tiles from the stable walls without damaging them before
starting work and replace them again afterwards (as a nice feature).
....
There was also a rare Arts&Crafts wooden staircase designed by William
Morris that had to be dismantled and reassembled in a new position.
Things like this take a lot of time and skilled craftsmen.


But I'd hope that anyone would do those without being required to by listing.

Personally I'm on the lookout for a nice 1970s bungalow to which I can add plastic windows and those pierced concrete wall blocks round the pat-yo.

Owain

On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 11:35:29 +0000, Martin Brown wrote:

This makes any major maintenance relatively expensive. - 2-5
times typically

Yes, living in a listed building is expensive, but it keeps the
riff-raff out.

On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 03:20:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

A lot depends on what *actually* is listed and on what you want to do.

Seems to depend on the people in the planning dept of the local
autority.

On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 10:59:16 +0000, wrote:

It would be great to hear from anyone here who has
experience of listed houses. Some questions a how restrictive is
grade 2 listing? and what are the typical real world maintenance
problems? ... but any info would be useful at this stage.

They can be very expensive. Listing covers the whole building, inside
and out and often the surrounds. The person responsible is the local
conservation officer (CO). The quality of these CO's varies and they
tend to make things up as they go along so advice from one may be
turned on it's head if a new CO arrives on the scene. If
contemplating purchase you need to employ a surveyor with listed
building expertise and make sure all work in the past has been
approved, if not it is the current occupier who must pay for remedial
work.

Sometimes it isn't obvious (or sensible). A friend bought a listed
house and discovered later that a previous owner had built a covered
walkway to match period ones on adjacent buildings. The work was
carried out to a very high standard and indistinguishable from that on
other nearby houses. A new CO discovered that the original walkway
(identical to the replacement) had been demolished many years ago and
replaced by a nasty tinplate lean to in the 1920's. However, as this
wriggly tin had been in position on the date the property was listed
years later she required the owner to demolish the high quality
walkway and replace it with rusty tinplate.

While the owner has the responsibility to follow the dozens of manuals
and regulations they are hideously complex. Historic England
helpfully says "What activity does and does not require permission or
consent is a matter of considerable complexity and is the most common
area of misunderstanding." Not getting consent when it is required is
a criminal act.

Insurance can be a minefield. Normal insurance isn't usually adequate
as it won't cover things like reinstatement using period materials and
techniques.

On 20/01/17 12:43, Peter Parry wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 10:59:16 +0000, wrote:

It would be great to hear from anyone here who has
experience of listed houses. Some questions a how restrictive is
grade 2 listing? and what are the typical real world maintenance
problems? ... but any info would be useful at this stage.


Insurance can be a minefield. Normal insurance isn't usually adequate
as it won't cover things like reinstatement using period materials and
techniques.

Don't forget too that fire insurance for a thatched property will be
considerably higher than for a tiled/stone roof.

--

Jeff

In article ,
Peter Parry wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 10:59:16 +0000, wrote:

It would be great to hear from anyone here who has
experience of listed houses. Some questions a how restrictive is
grade 2 listing? and what are the typical real world maintenance
problems? ... but any info would be useful at this stage.

They can be very expensive. Listing covers the whole building, inside
and out and often the surrounds. The person responsible is the local
conservation officer (CO). The quality of these CO's varies and they
tend to make things up as they go along so advice from one may be
turned on it's head if a new CO arrives on the scene. If
contemplating purchase you need to employ a surveyor with listed
building expertise and make sure all work in the past has been
approved, if not it is the current occupier who must pay for remedial
work.

Sometimes it isn't obvious (or sensible). A friend bought a listed
house and discovered later that a previous owner had built a covered
walkway to match period ones on adjacent buildings. The work was
carried out to a very high standard and indistinguishable from that on
other nearby houses. A new CO discovered that the original walkway
(identical to the replacement) had been demolished many years ago and
replaced by a nasty tinplate lean to in the 1920's. However, as this
wriggly tin had been in position on the date the property was listed
years later she required the owner to demolish the high quality
walkway and replace it with rusty tinplate.

Friends of our had a similar problem with a nasty looking (and dangerous)
Victorian chimney stack added to an Elizabethan farmhouse - but they won!

While the owner has the responsibility to follow the dozens of manuals
and regulations they are hideously complex. Historic England
helpfully says "What activity does and does not require permission or
consent is a matter of considerable complexity and is the most common
area of misunderstanding." Not getting consent when it is required is
a criminal act.

Insurance can be a minefield. Normal insurance isn't usually adequate
as it won't cover things like reinstatement using period materials and
techniques.

But, you are allowed electricity.

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On Friday, 20 January 2017 12:55:04 UTC, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 20/01/17 12:43, Peter Parry wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 10:59:16 +0000, wrote:

It would be great to hear from anyone here who has
experience of listed houses. Some questions a how restrictive is
grade 2 listing? and what are the typical real world maintenance
problems? ... but any info would be useful at this stage.


Insurance can be a minefield. Normal insurance isn't usually adequate
as it won't cover things like reinstatement using period materials and
techniques.

Don't forget too that fire insurance for a thatched property will be
considerably higher than for a tiled/stone roof.


A friend was going to buy a listed building but found he couldn't get flood insurance.

On 1/20/2017 10:59 AM, wrote:
Having been in the same house for just over 30 years we're considering a
move to a more "interesting" house, but many of them are grade II listed
and some thatched. It would be great to hear from anyone here who has
experience of listed houses. Some questions a how restrictive is
grade 2 listing? and what are the typical real world maintenance
problems? ... but any info would be useful at this stage.

As with so many things, there is no single answer. This house was Grade
2 listed in the 1970's, mainly because it is the end of a terrace of
18th century workers cottages opposite a really nice Georgian / Queen
Anne terrace.

Externally, it has no nice period features apart from a pair of second
floor dormers, in fact it looks quite unpleasant because of the Critall
windows everywhere else. When I asked about replacing them with "period"
small frame hardwood windows with sealed DG units, the conservation
officer said "no way".

Lots of generally unpleasant changes had been made in the first half of
the 20th century.

Indoors, all the "exposed" beams had been boxed in with hardboard. I
didn't ask for permission to remove that. The main living room had a
small 30's concrete tiled fireplace (think Wallace and Grommit). Behind
that was the brickwork for a Victorian one. Taking that out eventually
revealed the original inglenook, where I put a Franklin type woodburner.
I didn't ask for permission to do that either. I have tried to ensure
that everything I have done internally is in keeping, without
necessarily using original materials, for example not using elm for a
staircase. (It was two workers' cottages, not a country house).
Externally, I have repointed with lime mortar, and replaced the Snowcem
with lime wash.

I got slightly shouted at very early on for replacing the collapsing
Victorian cast iron gutters with plastic, as specified by Bank as part
of the mortgage retention, but this had already happened for the rest of
the terrace. It had already been re-tiled with concrete tiles in the 60's.

On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 12:43:34 +0000, Peter Parry wrote:

Sometimes it isn't obvious (or sensible). A friend bought a listed
house and discovered later that a previous owner had built a covered
walkway to match period ones on adjacent buildings. The work was
carried out to a very high standard and indistinguishable from that on
other nearby houses. A new CO discovered that the original walkway
(identical to the replacement) had been demolished many years ago and
replaced by a nasty tinplate lean to in the 1920's. However, as this
wriggly tin had been in position on the date the property was listed
years later she required the owner to demolish the high quality walkway
and replace it with rusty tinplate.

I understand that dimilar happened with Aldwych tube station. When they
did repairs, the PTB insisted on the original canopy - with Strand on it.



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On 20/01/2017 13:26, charles wrote:
In article ,
Peter Parry wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 10:59:16 +0000, wrote:

Sometimes it isn't obvious (or sensible). A friend bought a listed
house and discovered later that a previous owner had built a covered
walkway to match period ones on adjacent buildings. The work was
carried out to a very high standard and indistinguishable from that on
other nearby houses. A new CO discovered that the original walkway
(identical to the replacement) had been demolished many years ago and
replaced by a nasty tinplate lean to in the 1920's. However, as this
wriggly tin had been in position on the date the property was listed
years later she required the owner to demolish the high quality
walkway and replace it with rusty tinplate.

Friends of our had a similar problem with a nasty looking (and dangerous)
Victorian chimney stack added to an Elizabethan farmhouse - but they won!

The firm that installed our woodburning stove was later in a big fight
with the council as their premises on the high street were listed (to be
fair the front face of the shop is Georgian and pretty) but the back
part which had burnt down was a horrible asbestos roofed tin shack.

Whilst insurers and CO/listed building consent fought it out over what
was allowed to be done to rebuild it their stock rusted to a state where
it was unsaleable despite the tarpaulins. It was all rather messy.

It seemed obvious to me as a bystander that replacing it quickly with a
steel roof would have been the obvious solution but not to the local CO.
I think it dragged on for a year or more before common sense eventually
prevailed. It seemed quite ludicrous as you couldn't see it from the
high street at all. It didn't spoil the view.

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Martin Brown

In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
On 20/01/2017 13:26, charles wrote:
In article ,
Peter Parry wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 10:59:16 +0000, wrote:

Sometimes it isn't obvious (or sensible). A friend bought a listed
house and discovered later that a previous owner had built a covered
walkway to match period ones on adjacent buildings. The work was
carried out to a very high standard and indistinguishable from that on
other nearby houses. A new CO discovered that the original walkway
(identical to the replacement) had been demolished many years ago and
replaced by a nasty tinplate lean to in the 1920's. However, as this
wriggly tin had been in position on the date the property was listed
years later she required the owner to demolish the high quality
walkway and replace it with rusty tinplate.

Friends of our had a similar problem with a nasty looking (and dangerous)
Victorian chimney stack added to an Elizabethan farmhouse - but they won!

The firm that installed our woodburning stove was later in a big fight
with the council as their premises on the high street were listed (to be
fair the front face of the shop is Georgian and pretty) but the back
part which had burnt down was a horrible asbestos roofed tin shack.

Whilst insurers and CO/listed building consent fought it out over what
was allowed to be done to rebuild it their stock rusted to a state where
it was unsaleable despite the tarpaulins. It was all rather messy.

It seemed obvious to me as a bystander that replacing it quickly with a
steel roof would have been the obvious solution but not to the local CO.
I think it dragged on for a year or more before common sense eventually
prevailed. It seemed quite ludicrous as you couldn't see it from the
high street at all. It didn't spoil the view.

you can always apply formally for Planning Permission rather than relying
on the CO's whims.

--
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On 20/01/2017 10:59, wrote:
Having been in the same house for just over 30 years we're considering a
move to a more "interesting" house, but many of them are grade II listed
and some thatched. It would be great to hear from anyone here who has
experience of listed houses. Some questions a how restrictive is
grade 2 listing? and what are the typical real world maintenance
problems? ... but any info would be useful at this stage.

It's well worth registering with the Listed Property Owners Club (LPOC)
https://www.lpoc.co.uk/

Registration is free, and gives you access to lots of useful information
on their website.

If you actually buy a listed property, it's worth considering joining
LPOC (£55 p.a.). You will then receive an informative magazine several
times a year as well as having access to their team of experts.

They have an annual show, running soon in London
https://www.lpoc.co.uk/property-show/about-the-show/ where lots of
specialist suppliers and renovators exhibit their wares and services,
and where there are lots of talks given by experts in their field. Well
worth going if you can get to Olympia on 18th or 19th February.
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On 20/01/2017 12:43, Peter Parry wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 10:59:16 +0000, wrote:

It would be great to hear from anyone here who has
experience of listed houses. Some questions a how restrictive is
grade 2 listing? and what are the typical real world maintenance
problems? ... but any info would be useful at this stage.

They can be very expensive. Listing covers the whole building, inside
and out and often the surrounds. The person responsible is the local
conservation officer (CO). The quality of these CO's varies and they
tend to make things up as they go along so advice from one may be
turned on it's head if a new CO arrives on the scene. If
contemplating purchase you need to employ a surveyor with listed
building expertise and make sure all work in the past has been
approved, if not it is the current occupier who must pay for remedial
work.
Good advice. One house that we've seen has some hideous plastic windows
and doors that I can't believe have been approved.

Sometimes it isn't obvious (or sensible). A friend bought a listed
house and discovered later that a previous owner had built a covered
walkway to match period ones on adjacent buildings. The work was
carried out to a very high standard and indistinguishable from that on
other nearby houses. A new CO discovered that the original walkway
(identical to the replacement) had been demolished many years ago and
replaced by a nasty tinplate lean to in the 1920's. However, as this
wriggly tin had been in position on the date the property was listed
years later she required the owner to demolish the high quality
walkway and replace it with rusty tinplate.

While the owner has the responsibility to follow the dozens of manuals
and regulations they are hideously complex. Historic England
helpfully says "What activity does and does not require permission or
consent is a matter of considerable complexity and is the most common
area of misunderstanding." Not getting consent when it is required is
a criminal act.
Is there any appeal process if the CO is being daft?

Insurance can be a minefield. Normal insurance isn't usually adequate
as it won't cover things like reinstatement using period materials and
techniques.

On 20/01/2017 13:46, newshound wrote:
On 1/20/2017 10:59 AM, wrote:
Having been in the same house for just over 30 years we're considering a
move to a more "interesting" house, but many of them are grade II listed
and some thatched. It would be great to hear from anyone here who has
experience of listed houses. Some questions a how restrictive is
grade 2 listing? and what are the typical real world maintenance
problems? ... but any info would be useful at this stage.

As with so many things, there is no single answer. This house was Grade
2 listed in the 1970's, mainly because it is the end of a terrace of
18th century workers cottages opposite a really nice Georgian / Queen
Anne terrace.

Externally, it has no nice period features apart from a pair of second
floor dormers, in fact it looks quite unpleasant because of the Critall
windows everywhere else. When I asked about replacing them with "period"
small frame hardwood windows with sealed DG units, the conservation
officer said "no way".

Lots of generally unpleasant changes had been made in the first half of
the 20th century.

Indoors, all the "exposed" beams had been boxed in with hardboard. I
didn't ask for permission to remove that. The main living room had a
small 30's concrete tiled fireplace (think Wallace and Grommit). Behind
that was the brickwork for a Victorian one. Taking that out eventually
revealed the original inglenook, where I put a Franklin type woodburner.
I didn't ask for permission to do that either. I have tried to ensure
that everything I have done internally is in keeping, without
necessarily using original materials, for example not using elm for a
staircase. (It was two workers' cottages, not a country house).
Externally, I have repointed with lime mortar, and replaced the Snowcem
with lime wash.

I got slightly shouted at very early on for replacing the collapsing
Victorian cast iron gutters with plastic, as specified by Bank as part
of the mortgage retention, but this had already happened for the rest of
the terrace. It had already been re-tiled with concrete tiles in the 60's.

Is there a definitive list of what can and can't be done without permission?

On 20/01/2017 18:26, Roger Mills wrote:
On 20/01/2017 10:59, wrote:
Having been in the same house for just over 30 years we're considering a
move to a more "interesting" house, but many of them are grade II listed
and some thatched. It would be great to hear from anyone here who has
experience of listed houses. Some questions a how restrictive is
grade 2 listing? and what are the typical real world maintenance
problems? ... but any info would be useful at this stage.

It's well worth registering with the Listed Property Owners Club (LPOC)
https://www.lpoc.co.uk/

Registration is free, and gives you access to lots of useful information
on their website.

If you actually buy a listed property, it's worth considering joining
LPOC (£55 p.a.). You will then receive an informative magazine several
times a year as well as having access to their team of experts.

They have an annual show, running soon in London
https://www.lpoc.co.uk/property-show/about-the-show/ where lots of
specialist suppliers and renovators exhibit their wares and services,
and where there are lots of talks given by experts in their field. Well
worth going if you can get to Olympia on 18th or 19th February.

Thanks! I probably can't get to the exhibition but that's a useful link.

On Friday, 20 January 2017 10:59:17 UTC, wrote:
Having been in the same house for just over 30 years we're considering a
move to a more "interesting" house, but many of them are grade II listed
and some thatched. It would be great to hear from anyone here who has
experience of listed houses. Some questions a how restrictive is
grade 2 listing? and what are the typical real world maintenance
problems? ... but any info would be useful at this stage.

I know a few people who have done this.
Once.
Due to all the hassle.
These people are a pain in the arse.

Far better to find a nondescript building on a good site and demolish it.

On 20/01/2017 18:26, Roger Mills wrote:
On 20/01/2017 10:59, wrote:
Having been in the same house for just over 30 years we're considering a
move to a more "interesting" house, but many of them are grade II listed
and some thatched. It would be great to hear from anyone here who has
experience of listed houses. Some questions a how restrictive is
grade 2 listing? and what are the typical real world maintenance
problems? ... but any info would be useful at this stage.

It's well worth registering with the Listed Property Owners Club (LPOC)
https://www.lpoc.co.uk/

Registration is free, and gives you access to lots of useful information
on their website.

If you actually buy a listed property, it's worth considering joining
LPOC (£55 p.a.). You will then receive an informative magazine several
times a year as well as having access to their team of experts.

They have an annual show, running soon in London
https://www.lpoc.co.uk/property-show/about-the-show/ where lots of
specialist suppliers and renovators exhibit their wares and services,
and where there are lots of talks given by experts in their field. Well
worth going if you can get to Olympia on 18th or 19th February.

Bookmarked. Thanks!

I think our local CO is on side. They've realised that we're carrying
out repairs that have needed doing. In fact we've uncovered one major
bodge that's over 100 years old. Though to be honest we've left it
too... the sole plate on an internal wall really ought to be replaced.
All the uprights were sometime in the Victorian era (judging by the
timber) but to do it now would require a complete replastering, so we
only replaced the bit that had a major supporting role.

Andy

On 20/01/17 10:59, wrote:
Having been in the same house for just over 30 years we're considering a
move to a more "interesting" house, but many of them are grade II listed
and some thatched. It would be great to hear from anyone here who has
experience of listed houses. Some questions a how restrictive is
grade 2 listing? and what are the typical real world maintenance
problems? ... but any info would be useful at this stage.


Short answer: A Listed Building is a liability not an asset.

I lived in a Grade II listed house for over 30 years. A totally
unremarkable early Victorian inner-London terrace, the houses next door
had been rebuilt over the Metropolitan railway cut and cover, mine was
part of the original terrace. The interior had been so modified by the
time of listing in the 1970s that there was nothing but the façade.
However listing covers the whole building and grounds not just
particular features so you have to be careful.


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On 20/01/2017 12:33, mechanic wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 03:20:51 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

A lot depends on what *actually* is listed and on what you want to do.

Seems to depend on the people in the planning dept of the local
autority.

Agree
Substantial internal changes I wanted to make to my plain Georgian
terraced house were agreed by Conservation Officer in a letter " the
internal changes will NOT affect the special interest of this listed
building and consent will not be needed".
Recent replacement of a large dormer window , the planning authority
went out of the way to agree a plan which was " a repair" and didnt need
permission , this included changing to double glazing and an extra
opening light.
Pros of selling a listed building - no EPC needed.

On Friday, 20 January 2017 10:59:17 UTC, wrote:
Having been in the same house for just over 30 years we're considering a
move to a more "interesting" house, but many of them are grade II listed
and some thatched. It would be great to hear from anyone here who has
experience of listed houses. Some questions a how restrictive is
grade 2 listing? and what are the typical real world maintenance
problems? ... but any info would be useful at this stage.

In days of yore planning officers were practical people who had "come up from the bottom"and were very knowledgeable.

Nowadays the are swivel-eyed goofs with no practical knowledg ebut a degree in art or social studies.
About as much use as a chocolate teapot but with the ego of Herman Goering.

On 20/01/2017 12:32, mechanic wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 11:35:29 +0000, Martin Brown wrote:

This makes any major maintenance relatively expensive. - 2-5
times typically

Yes, living in a listed building is expensive, but it keeps the
riff-raff out.

Sadly not in our experience.
Grade 2 listed building "project" in South Devon. Nice neighbours either
side for a few years then one side trotted off to Southampton and handed
tenancy to local council.

First lot were OK for a year then "she" became a fruit cake and he
stayed inside stoned. Both paranoid and she would get very feisty and
verbally attack us for no reason.

Next lot, she was OK but had and looked after wayward kids, some were
her own which included a child mother who would throw shtty nappies into
our garden and they'd park on our drive...
These were the worst ones. Dirty ******* kids and their mates though the
mother was honestly trying to keep them in control.

Current lot have 6 kids or so but they seem quite nice though we've not
been down for a while due to other commitments.

On 1/22/2017 9:21 AM, Robert wrote:
On 20/01/2017 12:33, mechanic wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 03:20:51 -0800 (PST),


Pros of selling a listed building - no EPC needed.

I didn't know that.

On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:09:51 +0000, newshound wrote:

On 1/22/2017 9:21 AM, Robert wrote:
On 20/01/2017 12:33, mechanic wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 03:20:51 -0800 (PST),


Pros of selling a listed building - no EPC needed.

I didn't know that.

This is the smallest 'listed building' that I know. And probably the
cheapest to maintain.

https://goo.gl/maps/TpKrNhCfbF62

(yes, it's the post in the middle. Just the post.)



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On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:22:27 +0000, Huge wrote:

On 2017-01-23, Bob Eager wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:09:51 +0000, newshound wrote:

On 1/22/2017 9:21 AM, Robert wrote:
On 20/01/2017 12:33, mechanic wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 03:20:51 -0800 (PST),


Pros of selling a listed building - no EPC needed.

I didn't know that.

This is the smallest 'listed building' that I know. And probably the
cheapest to maintain.

https://goo.gl/maps/TpKrNhCfbF62

(yes, it's the post in the middle. Just the post.)

ROFL.

Ah, here we are.

http://www.bhuntold.co.uk/78-west-street/



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On 23/01/17 22:21, Huge wrote:
On 2017-01-23, newshound wrote:
On 1/22/2017 9:21 AM, Robert wrote:
On 20/01/2017 12:33, mechanic wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2017 03:20:51 -0800 (PST),


Pros of selling a listed building - no EPC needed.

I didn't know that.

Whoop-de-doo. You get to save £45 for a stupid piece of paper than no-one
ever looks at or gives a damn about.


Didn't even save me a penny, agent who sold my flat (listed GII)
included the EPC as part of the service (well given the fee, well they
might).




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