The boss in local battery centre says it's ok to connect neg charger lead to
neg terminal on battery.

However, car's user manual suggests connecting to somewhere on the chassis.
This can be a pain, getting a good connection. Any thoughts TIA.

On 24/11/2016 13:59, Bertie Doe wrote:
The boss in local battery centre says it's ok to connect neg charger
lead to neg terminal on battery.

However, car's user manual suggests connecting to somewhere on the
chassis. This can be a pain, getting a good connection. Any thoughts TIA.



assuming it is a normal car then connecting direct to the battery will
be ok. the only good reason to make a remote connection is if you make
the remote connection last to connect and first to disconnect, this way
any possible spark as you connect/disconnect will be remote from the
battery which may have given off some flammable fumes.

Modern chargers do not usually make any sparks upon connection in any
case. It is still good practise to turn off the charger before
disconnecting.

I don't see the reason for using the chassis unless testing the earth, but
you don't need a charger for that!

I actually built a charger many moons back and believe me its better on the
battery.
Brian

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"Bertie Doe" wrote in message
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The boss in local battery centre says it's ok to connect neg charger lead
to neg terminal on battery.

However, car's user manual suggests connecting to somewhere on the
chassis. This can be a pain, getting a good connection. Any thoughts TIA.

On Thursday, 24 November 2016 16:22:57 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
"Bertie Doe" wrote in message
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The boss in local battery centre says it's ok to connect neg charger lead
to neg terminal on battery.

However, car's user manual suggests connecting to somewhere on the
chassis. This can be a pain, getting a good connection. Any thoughts TIA.



I don't see the reason for using the chassis unless testing the earth, but
you don't need a charger for that!

I persume the idea is to reduce current if anything shorts, thus avoiding fire.


NT

I actually built a charger many moons back and believe me its better on the
battery.
Brian

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On Thursday, 24 November 2016 16:22:57 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
"Bertie Doe" wrote in message
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The boss in local battery centre says it's ok to connect neg charger
lead
to neg terminal on battery.

However, car's user manual suggests connecting to somewhere on the
chassis. This can be a pain, getting a good connection. Any thoughts
TIA.



Thanks all, good news indeed, consensus is that battery dealer is correct
and is ok to connect direct to -ve terminal. Perhaps Toyota are covering
their asses.

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On Thursday, 24 November 2016 16:22:57 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
"Bertie Doe" wrote in message
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The boss in local battery centre says it's ok to connect neg charger
lead
to neg terminal on battery.

However, car's user manual suggests connecting to somewhere on the
chassis. This can be a pain, getting a good connection. Any thoughts
TIA.



I don't see the reason for using the chassis unless testing the earth,
but
you don't need a charger for that!

I persume the idea is to reduce current if anything shorts, thus avoiding
fire.

Doesnt explain why all car user manuals dont say that.

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On Thursday, 24 November 2016 16:22:57 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
"Bertie Doe" wrote in message
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The boss in local battery centre says it's ok to connect neg charger
lead to neg terminal on battery.

However, car's user manual suggests connecting to somewhere on the
chassis. This can be a pain, getting a good connection. Any thoughts
TIA.



I don't see the reason for using the chassis unless testing the earth,
but you don't need a charger for that!

I persume the idea is to reduce current if anything shorts, thus
avoiding fire.

With a battery charger? Don't think even the very cheapest I've ever seen
was devoid of some form of protection against shorts.

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On Friday, 25 November 2016 00:33:34 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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tabbypurr wrote:
On Thursday, 24 November 2016 16:22:57 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
"Bertie Doe" wrote in message
...
The boss in local battery centre says it's ok to connect neg charger
lead to neg terminal on battery.

However, car's user manual suggests connecting to somewhere on the
chassis. This can be a pain, getting a good connection. Any thoughts
TIA.



I don't see the reason for using the chassis unless testing the earth,
but you don't need a charger for that!

I persume the idea is to reduce current if anything shorts, thus
avoiding fire.

With a battery charger? Don't think even the very cheapest I've ever seen
was devoid of some form of protection against shorts.

That of course offers no protection against the leads wearing through and shorting.


NT

On 25/11/2016 18:19, wrote:
On Friday, 25 November 2016 00:33:34 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Thursday, 24 November 2016 16:22:57 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
"Bertie Doe" wrote in message
...
The boss in local battery centre says it's ok to connect neg charger
lead to neg terminal on battery.

However, car's user manual suggests connecting to somewhere on the
chassis. This can be a pain, getting a good connection. Any thoughts
TIA.



I don't see the reason for using the chassis unless testing the earth,
but you don't need a charger for that!

I persume the idea is to reduce current if anything shorts, thus
avoiding fire.

With a battery charger? Don't think even the very cheapest I've ever seen
was devoid of some form of protection against shorts.

That of course offers no protection against the leads wearing through and shorting.


NT


my old style battery charger has an overload thermal manual reset
switch, modern ones just shut down electronically (if the leads short
together)

I dread to think what the 600 amp Crypton jump start charger could do,
but the average DIYer does not have one.

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On Friday, 25 November 2016 00:33:34 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Thursday, 24 November 2016 16:22:57 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
"Bertie Doe" wrote in message
...
The boss in local battery centre says it's ok to connect neg
charger lead to neg terminal on battery.

However, car's user manual suggests connecting to somewhere on
the chassis. This can be a pain, getting a good connection. Any
thoughts TIA.



I don't see the reason for using the chassis unless testing the
earth, but you don't need a charger for that!

I persume the idea is to reduce current if anything shorts, thus
avoiding fire.

With a battery charger? Don't think even the very cheapest I've ever
seen was devoid of some form of protection against shorts.

That of course offers no protection against the leads wearing through
and shorting.

Really? Why would that be?

But then most with sense wouldn't use anything where 'the leads had worn
through'


NT

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"Bertie Doe" wrote in message
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The boss in local battery centre says it's ok to connect neg charger lead
to neg terminal on battery.

However, car's user manual suggests connecting to somewhere on the
chassis. This can be a pain, getting a good connection. Any thoughts TIA.

The car users manual is wrong. Bet its french.

Huge wrote:

Bertie Doe wrote:

car's user manual suggests connecting to somewhere on the chassis.
This can be a pain, getting a good connection. Any thoughts TIA.

I've always done the former, except where the battery is inaccessible,
then the latter. IMNHO, it makes little or no difference.

With mine the battery is in the boot under the spare tyre, so for jump
starting they provide a +ve terminal behind a flap under the bonnet,
there is also an arrow pointing at a nearby bolt in the chassis for the -ve.

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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Huge wrote:

Bertie Doe wrote:

car's user manual suggests connecting to somewhere on the chassis.
This can be a pain, getting a good connection. Any thoughts TIA.

I've always done the former, except where the battery is inaccessible,
then the latter. IMNHO, it makes little or no difference.

With mine the battery is in the boot under the spare tyre, so for jump
starting they provide a +ve terminal behind a flap under the bonnet, there
is also an arrow pointing at a nearby bolt in the chassis for the -ve.

What car is that ?

Huge wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

With mine the battery is in the boot under the spare tyre, so for jump
starting they provide a +ve terminal behind a flap under the bonnet,
there is also an arrow pointing at a nearby bolt in the chassis for the -ve.

Audi? My RS3 was like that.

Yes, and the lidaldi jump pack thread, it's rated 100Ah 900CCA.

On 24/11/2016 14:26, Huge wrote:
On 2016-11-24, Bertie Doe wrote:
The boss in local battery centre says it's ok to connect neg charger lead to
neg terminal on battery.

However, car's user manual suggests connecting to somewhere on the chassis.
This can be a pain, getting a good connection. Any thoughts TIA.

I've always done the former, except where the battery is inaccessible,
then the latter. IMNHO, it makes little or no difference.



Chassis or terminal .. makes no diff as long as car is -ve earth

I like to keep my boat batteries on trickle charge .. I made up a lead
to connect via 'cigarette socket' ... works fine

rick wrote:
On 24/11/2016 14:26, Huge wrote:
On 2016-11-24, Bertie Doe wrote:
The boss in local battery centre says it's ok to connect neg charger lead to
neg terminal on battery.

However, car's user manual suggests connecting to somewhere on the chassis.
This can be a pain, getting a good connection. Any thoughts TIA.

I've always done the former, except where the battery is inaccessible,
then the latter. IMNHO, it makes little or no difference.



Chassis or terminal .. makes no diff as long as car is -ve earth

Don't think earthing polarity has anything to do with. If you make a spark
near a charging battery you risk igniting the hydrogen. Considerably less
risk with "sealed" batteries admittedly.

Tim

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"rick" wrote in message news
On 24/11/2016 14:26, Huge wrote:

I've always done the former, except where the battery is inaccessible,
then the latter. IMNHO, it makes little or no difference.


Chassis or terminal .. makes no diff as long as car is -ve earth

I like to keep my boat batteries on trickle charge .. I made up a lead to
connect via 'cigarette socket' ... works fine

I use one of those Aldi/Lidl chargers mentioned by this group last year. It
goes into 'maintenance cycle' after initial boost.

It's also used on my 85ah battery, which powers one of those Bison electric
outboard motors and lasts about 45 mins. I was surprised to find that the
Yaris battery is a mere 45ah.

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Bertie Doe wrote:
I like to keep my boat batteries on trickle charge .. I made up a lead
to connect via 'cigarette socket' ... works fine

I use one of those Aldi/Lidl chargers mentioned by this group last year.
It goes into 'maintenance cycle' after initial boost.

I built one in to the old Rover. In the spare wheel well. With a
waterproof mains plug under the bumper. Only slight snag is you have to
press the button on it to set it to charge after powering up.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Bertie Doe wrote:
I like to keep my boat batteries on trickle charge .. I made up a lead
to connect via 'cigarette socket' ... works fine

I use one of those Aldi/Lidl chargers mentioned by this group last year.
It goes into 'maintenance cycle' after initial boost.

I built one in to the old Rover. In the spare wheel well. With a
waterproof mains plug under the bumper. Only slight snag is you have to
press the button on it to set it to charge after powering up.

OT but one of the main differences beween the Lidl and Aldi models were the
displays (LCD vs LED)

I assume my Aldi XS model is LED, yes? :-
http://www.mycaravan.org.uk/Images/B.../Battery/D.jpg

Lidl Ultimate
http://auto****e.com/uploads/monthly...1421091541.jpg

On 25/11/2016 09:21, Bertie Doe wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Bertie Doe wrote:
I like to keep my boat batteries on trickle charge .. I made up a lead
to connect via 'cigarette socket' ... works fine

I use one of those Aldi/Lidl chargers mentioned by this group last year.
It goes into 'maintenance cycle' after initial boost.

I built one in to the old Rover. In the spare wheel well. With a
waterproof mains plug under the bumper. Only slight snag is you have to
press the button on it to set it to charge after powering up.

OT but one of the main differences beween the Lidl and Aldi models were
the displays (LCD vs LED)

I assume my Aldi XS model is LED, yes? :-
http://www.mycaravan.org.uk/Images/B.../Battery/D.jpg


no that is a liquid crystal display. LED shines.

In article ,
Bertie Doe wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Bertie Doe wrote:
I like to keep my boat batteries on trickle charge .. I made up a lead
to connect via 'cigarette socket' ... works fine

I use one of those Aldi/Lidl chargers mentioned by this group last year.
It goes into 'maintenance cycle' after initial boost.

I built one in to the old Rover. In the spare wheel well. With a
waterproof mains plug under the bumper. Only slight snag is you have to
press the button on it to set it to charge after powering up.

OT but one of the main differences beween the Lidl and Aldi models were the
displays (LCD vs LED)

I assume my Aldi XS model is LED, yes? :-
http://www.mycaravan.org.uk/Images/B.../Battery/D.jpg

Lidl Ultimate
http://auto****e.com/uploads/monthly...1421091541.jpg

I dunno the current ones. My Lidl one just has LED indicators. Which for
my application is better - as you'd not be able to read LCD.

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