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On 2SEP16, I decided to swap my electricity to British Gas so that I could have free leccy on Sat or Sun 0900-1700 for a sauna etc.
It is now 12NOV16 and I have not found how to submit a meter reading, nor can I find how I am paying for it, so at the moment I seem to be getting free electricity anyway, so I am filling my boots with free saunas 5 days a week. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxCg-VJWEAAZ1a7.jpg |
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On Saturday, 12 November 2016 05:52:57 UTC, Simon Mason wrote:
On 2SEP16, I decided to swap my electricity to British Gas so that I could have free leccy on Sat or Sun 0900-1700 for a sauna etc. It is now 12NOV16 and I have not found how to submit a meter reading, nor can I find how I am paying for it, so at the moment I seem to be getting free electricity anyway, so I am filling my boots with free saunas 5 days a week. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxCg-VJWEAAZ1a7.jpg Brain dead as usual. They will catch up with you and you'll have to pay in the end. |
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Simon Mason wrote:
I decided to swap my electricity to British Gas so that I could have free leccy on Sat or Sun 0900-1700 for a sauna etc. It is now 12NOV16 and I have not found how to submit a meter reading I thought the free sat/sun was conditional on having smart meter(s) fitted? Do you have them? nor can I find how I am paying for it, Direct debit would ne the usual way so at the moment I seem to be getting free electricity anyway, so I am filling my boots with free saunas 5 days a week. I expect you'll be paying for them, good job you cashed-in those shares eh? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxCg-VJWEAAZ1a7.jpg Nothing on there seems to be free, or even related to electricity. |
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On Saturday, 12 November 2016 08:59:42 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
Simon Mason wrote: I decided to swap my electricity to British Gas so that I could have free leccy on Sat or Sun 0900-1700 for a sauna etc. It is now 12NOV16 and I have not found how to submit a meter reading I thought the free sat/sun was conditional on having smart meter(s) fitted? Do you have them? I don't want a smart meter now! Direct debit would ne the usual way I am paying DD of £62.54 as per this, but there is no electricity component to the bill nor any way of entering my own reading. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxCg-VJWEAAZ1a7.jpg |
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Simon Mason wrote:
I don't want a smart meter now! Then BG won't give you free electricity. |
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On Saturday, 12 November 2016 09:39:14 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
Simon Mason wrote: I don't want a smart meter now! Then BG won't give you free electricity. Someone is already! |
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"Simon Mason" wrote in message ... On Saturday, 12 November 2016 09:39:14 UTC, Andy Burns wrote: Simon Mason wrote: I don't want a smart meter now! Then BG won't give you free electricity. Someone is already! Nope, just delayed payment electricity. |
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Simon Mason wrote
Andy Burns wrote Simon Mason wrote I decided to swap my electricity to British Gas so that I could have free leccy on Sat or Sun 0900-1700 for a sauna etc. It is now 12NOV16 and I have not found how to submit a meter reading I thought the free sat/sun was conditional on having smart meter(s) fitted? Do you have them? I don't want a smart meter now! You've got one anyway. Direct debit would ne the usual way I am paying DD of £62.54 as per this, but there is no electricity component to the bill nor any way of entering my own reading. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxCg-VJWEAAZ1a7.jpg Because its a smart meter and they can read it themselves, stupid. They just dont show the electricity on the bill. You're paying for it anyway. |
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On Saturday, 12 November 2016 19:28:12 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
Because its a smart meter and they can read it themselves, stupid. They just dont show the electricity on the bill. You're paying for it anyway. I STILL HAVE AN OLD SPINNING DISC METER FROM WHEN IT WAS BUILT IN 1964. |
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Rod Speed wrote Because its a smart meter and they can read it themselves, stupid. They just dont show the electricity on the bill. You're paying for it anyway. I STILL HAVE AN OLD SPINNING DISC METER FROM WHEN IT WAS BUILT IN 1964. THEY WILL BE SENDING YOU THE BILL FOR THE ELECTRICITY YOU HAVE USED WHEN THEY SWAP IT FOR A SMARTMETER AND CUTTING OFF YOUR ELECTRICITY USING THE SMARTMETER IF YOU ARE ACTUALLY STUPID ENOUGH TO REFUSE TO PAY FOR WHAT YOU HAVE USED. |
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En el artículo , Jethro_uk
escribió: You'd be less smug I don't think that's possible. I can just see people queuing up to smack him across the face with a variety of implements, like that scene in Airplane! He's a troll, best ignored. -- (\_/) (='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10 (")_(") |
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"Jethro_uk" wrote in message news On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 11:33:28 -0800, Simon Mason wrote: On Saturday, 12 November 2016 19:28:12 UTC, Rod Speed wrote: Because its a smart meter and they can read it themselves, stupid. They just dont show the electricity on the bill. You're paying for it anyway. I STILL HAVE AN OLD SPINNING DISC METER FROM WHEN IT WAS BUILT IN 1964. I thought there was a statutory obligation to replace meters every 10 years (maximum) ? You'd be less smug if your meter had been over-reading for 42 years .... They under read over time. |
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On Saturday, 12 November 2016 08:59:42 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
I expect you'll be paying for them, good job you cashed-in those shares eh? Yes - the £4-95 I got on 25OCT16 was a very good price. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxDig3nWIAASyFH.jpg |
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As I read it, you have to have both Gas and Electric from them and have to
have a certain type of smart meter, and not have any of the economy tariffs like economy 7. In this case they can read your meter, but I still understood you have to have a direct debit set up as any power used before this is priced at the standard default rate wh until that is actual up and running. Read the small print as well I bet its only free for a certain time then it will be reviewed. if too many people take the power off peak then it will in fact become the peak which would defeat the whole object I suppose. Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "Simon Mason" wrote in message ... On 2SEP16, I decided to swap my electricity to British Gas so that I could have free leccy on Sat or Sun 0900-1700 for a sauna etc. It is now 12NOV16 and I have not found how to submit a meter reading, nor can I find how I am paying for it, so at the moment I seem to be getting free electricity anyway, so I am filling my boots with free saunas 5 days a week. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxCg-VJWEAAZ1a7.jpg |
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On Saturday, 12 November 2016 10:32:20 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
As I read it, you have to have both Gas and Electric from them and have to have a certain type of smart meter, and not have any of the economy tariffs like economy 7. In this case they can read your meter, but I still understood you have to have a direct debit set up as any power used before this is priced at the standard default rate wh until that is actual up and running. I have an old fashioned rotating disc electricity meter and there is no way they can remotely read it. The only way they can charge me is if a bloke turns up with a torch and clipboard, but I haven't seen one of those for several years. |
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On 12/11/2016 10:38, Simon Mason wrote:
On Saturday, 12 November 2016 10:32:20 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote: As I read it, you have to have both Gas and Electric from them and have to have a certain type of smart meter, and not have any of the economy tariffs like economy 7. In this case they can read your meter, but I still understood you have to have a direct debit set up as any power used before this is priced at the standard default rate wh until that is actual up and running. I have an old fashioned rotating disc electricity meter and there is no way they can remotely read it. The only way they can charge me is if a bloke turns up with a torch and clipboard, but I haven't seen one of those for several years. Are you sure that your previous supplier has closed your account and you have a final bill. I would not trust BG not to clobber you if they discover the situation. I did once have a free gas supply. I wrote and thanked the gas board when I sold the property. I also ended up with a free BT broadband connection but I got rid of that. The challenge at the time was to get a MAC number out of them when they did not think they were supplying me, and I could not move without it. -- Michael Chare --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Michael Chare wrote:
I did once have a free gas supply. I wrote and thanked the gas board when I sold the property. Must happen relatively often, a friend had the same, caused a problem when after owning the house for several years they rented it out, he tried to persuade the tenant that gas was "included" in the rent, but tenant wanted to change electricity tariff to a dual-fuel. |
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On Saturday, 12 November 2016 11:02:06 UTC, Michael Chare wrote:
Are you sure that your previous supplier has closed your account and you have a final bill. I logged onto npower on 1OCT16 and it said "this account is now closed". |
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Simon Mason writes On Saturday, 12 November 2016 11:02:06 UTC, Michael Chare wrote: Are you sure that your previous supplier has closed your account and you have a final bill. I logged onto npower on 1OCT16 and it said "this account is now closed". Ah well if npower are involved anything can happen. -- bert |
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On 12/11/2016 10:38, Simon Mason wrote:
On Saturday, 12 November 2016 10:32:20 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote: As I read it, you have to have both Gas and Electric from them and have to have a certain type of smart meter, and not have any of the economy tariffs like economy 7. In this case they can read your meter, but I still understood you have to have a direct debit set up as any power used before this is priced at the standard default rate wh until that is actual up and running. I have an old fashioned rotating disc electricity meter and there is no way they can remotely read it. The only way they can charge me is if a bloke turns up with a torch and clipboard, but I haven't seen one of those for several years. Your free electricity will only start once they have installed your smart meter. They use the smart meter to give the free electricity. Anything else is charged at the normal rate. |
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"dennis@home" wrote in message web.com... On 12/11/2016 10:38, Simon Mason wrote: On Saturday, 12 November 2016 10:32:20 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote: As I read it, you have to have both Gas and Electric from them and have to have a certain type of smart meter, and not have any of the economy tariffs like economy 7. In this case they can read your meter, but I still understood you have to have a direct debit set up as any power used before this is priced at the standard default rate wh until that is actual up and running. I have an old fashioned rotating disc electricity meter and there is no way they can remotely read it. The only way they can charge me is if a bloke turns up with a torch and clipboard, but I haven't seen one of those for several years. Your free electricity will only start once they have installed your smart meter. They use the smart meter to give the free electricity. Anything else is charged at the normal rate. Yebut, Simon is obviously a special case. |
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On 12/11/2016 11:08, dennis@home wrote:
On 12/11/2016 10:38, Simon Mason wrote: On Saturday, 12 November 2016 10:32:20 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote: As I read it, you have to have both Gas and Electric from them and have to have a certain type of smart meter, and not have any of the economy tariffs like economy 7. In this case they can read your meter, but I still understood you have to have a direct debit set up as any power used before this is priced at the standard default rate wh until that is actual up and running. I have an old fashioned rotating disc electricity meter and there is no way they can remotely read it. The only way they can charge me is if a bloke turns up with a torch and clipboard, but I haven't seen one of those for several years. Your free electricity will only start once they have installed your smart meter. They use the smart meter to give the free electricity. Anything else is charged at the normal rate. are there any storage heaters that could store enough heat during the weekend to last the other five days ?. |
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On 12/11/2016 11:08, dennis@home wrote: On 12/11/2016 10:38, Simon Mason wrote: On Saturday, 12 November 2016 10:32:20 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote: As I read it, you have to have both Gas and Electric from them and have to have a certain type of smart meter, and not have any of the economy tariffs like economy 7. In this case they can read your meter, but I still understood you have to have a direct debit set up as any power used before this is priced at the standard default rate wh until that is actual up and running. I have an old fashioned rotating disc electricity meter and there is no way they can remotely read it. The only way they can charge me is if a bloke turns up with a torch and clipboard, but I haven't seen one of those for several years. Your free electricity will only start once they have installed your smart meter. They use the smart meter to give the free electricity. Anything else is charged at the normal rate. are there any storage heaters that could store enough heat during the weekend to last the other five days ?. Yes. but not that are easy to make. I estimated that a well insulated swimming pool full of boiling hot water under a house would be enough to heat it for many days. If you do the sums, lets say you need 50W/sq meter to heat a house., (which is actually a LOT) and you have a meter depth of (insulated) hot water under it... so a cubic meter of water or a metric toinne...at say 80°C that you will allow to go down to say 50°C before its 'exhausted' in terms of heating...well that's 30x1000x1000x1000 calories or 30,000 kcalories 30,000 kilocalories is about 35 kwh Since we only need 50W, that is around 700 hours. Around about a *month* of heat. To run a CH off that is easy. Just put the CH primary in a big coil in the heat bank and pump it round. Or even just have selective removal of bits of insulation to allow the heat to rise. In practice the way you would make this is to cut a huge pit, line it with a lot of polystyrene, cast a base on it, then build up the foundation of the house as blockwork with polystyrene outside it and then backfill to keep the styrene in place. An insulated block and beam floor over the top completes the construction. You would need so make some of the construction more waterproof than is traditional of course. It is an interesting fact that of all the ways to store energy, if all you want at the end of it is low garde heat, bloody great lumps of stone concrete or water are in fact cheap and effective. What doesn't work is a few cinder blocks in a storage heater though. The mass required has to be build into the house somehow. What you are really looking for is cheap well insulated mass. Water is perhaps the easiest, but concrete, stone or masonry would work too. But by volume they are not as good as water. -- Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people. But Marxism is the crack cocaine. |
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On Monday, 14 November 2016 16:13:04 UTC, Andrew wrote:
On 12/11/2016 11:08, dennis@home wrote: On 12/11/2016 10:38, Simon Mason wrote: On Saturday, 12 November 2016 10:32:20 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote: As I read it, you have to have both Gas and Electric from them and have to have a certain type of smart meter, and not have any of the economy tariffs like economy 7. In this case they can read your meter, but I still understood you have to have a direct debit set up as any power used before this is priced at the standard default rate wh until that is actual up and running. I have an old fashioned rotating disc electricity meter and there is no way they can remotely read it. The only way they can charge me is if a bloke turns up with a torch and clipboard, but I haven't seen one of those for several years. Your free electricity will only start once they have installed your smart meter. They use the smart meter to give the free electricity. Anything else is charged at the normal rate. are there any storage heaters that could store enough heat during the weekend to last the other five days ?. No. There is no insulation that is good enough. Most of the heat would be lost. |
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writes On 12/11/2016 11:08, dennis@home wrote: On 12/11/2016 10:38, Simon Mason wrote: On Saturday, 12 November 2016 10:32:20 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote: As I read it, you have to have both Gas and Electric from them and have to have a certain type of smart meter, and not have any of the economy tariffs like economy 7. In this case they can read your meter, but I still understood you have to have a direct debit set up as any power used before this is priced at the standard default rate wh until that is actual up and running. I have an old fashioned rotating disc electricity meter and there is no way they can remotely read it. The only way they can charge me is if a bloke turns up with a torch and clipboard, but I haven't seen one of those for several years. Your free electricity will only start once they have installed your smart meter. They use the smart meter to give the free electricity. Anything else is charged at the normal rate. are there any storage heaters that could store enough heat during the weekend to last the other five days ?. Are there any storage heaters that store enough heat to last the next day? -- bert |
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"Simon Mason" wrote in message ... On Saturday, 12 November 2016 10:32:20 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote: As I read it, you have to have both Gas and Electric from them and have to have a certain type of smart meter, and not have any of the economy tariffs like economy 7. In this case they can read your meter, but I still understood you have to have a direct debit set up as any power used before this is priced at the standard default rate wh until that is actual up and running. I have an old fashioned rotating disc electricity meter and there is no way they can remotely read it. The only way they can charge me is if a bloke turns up with a torch and clipboard, but I haven't seen one of those for several years. The one who replaces it with the smartmeter will read it and they will then send you the bill for the electricity you have used when you stupidly decided it was free. |
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On 12/11/2016 10:38, Simon Mason wrote:
I have an old fashioned rotating disc electricity meter and there is no way they can remotely read it. The only way they can charge me is if a bloke turns up with a torch and clipboard, but I haven't seen one of those for several years. You don't even need to read the small print... Quote:
electricity deal with BG. The only way you may be getting free electricity is if you have dropped off of the radar - your old supplier has closed the account and your new supplier has no record of you signing up. Are you sure that BG hasn't tried to contact you by snail mail or email to say your property is not suitable for a smart meter and therefore you cannot have the free electricity tariff. They would then automatically default put you to the expensive standard tariff and send you the estimated bill in 3/6 months time? -- mailto: news {at} admac {dot] myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On Sunday, 13 November 2016 07:29:49 UTC, alan_m wrote:
The only way you may be getting free electricity is if you have dropped off of the radar - your old supplier has closed the account and your new supplier has no record of you signing up. By Jove, someone has got it! Although I am on BG's waiting list for a smart meter, but if they get in touch, I will say that I have changed my mind and don't want one anymore. It's not MY cock up, after all. |
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alan_m wrote The only way you may be getting free electricity is if you have dropped off of the radar - your old supplier has closed the account and your new supplier has no record of you signing up. By Jove, someone has got it! We'll see... Although I am on BG's waiting list for a smart meter, So you havent in fact dropped off the radar at all. but if they get in touch, I will say that I have changed my mind and don't want one anymore. And then they will send someone to read the meter and present you with a ****ing great bill that you will have to pay or have both your electricity and gas cut off. It's not MY cock up, after all. There is no cock up, just another of your terminal stupiditys. |
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On 13/11/2016 07:51, Simon Mason wrote:
On Sunday, 13 November 2016 07:29:49 UTC, alan_m wrote: The only way you may be getting free electricity is if you have dropped off of the radar - your old supplier has closed the account and your new supplier has no record of you signing up. By Jove, someone has got it! Although I am on BG's waiting list for a smart meter, but if they get in touch, I will say that I have changed my mind and don't want one anymore. It's not MY cock up, after all. Are you sure that when switching the electricity that you used exactly the same contact details as you used for the (exsisting?) gas? You may have two BG web accounts and you are only accessing one of them. You may have to register your new electricity account on-line with the email address you used and the meter id_number found on your previous suppliers bill. -- mailto: news {at} admac {dot] myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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The only way you may be getting free electricity is if you have dropped off of the radar - your old supplier has closed the account and your new supplier has no record of you signing up. Which does happen, my daughter got her electricity for nothing for several years for this reason. She repeatedly tried to find who her supplier was to no avail. As a result she *didn't* get a huge backdated bill when it was finally sorted out because only one year's worth was chargeable. -- Chris Green · |
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On Sunday, 13 November 2016 10:33:04 UTC, Chris Green wrote:
Which does happen, my daughter got her electricity for nothing for several years for this reason. She repeatedly tried to find who her supplier was to no avail. As a result she *didn't* get a huge backdated bill when it was finally sorted out because only one year's worth was chargeable. Yes - the ONLY way I will ever get charged is if BG employ a guy with a torch and clipboard to bang on my door when I am in - not gonna happen. |
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On Sunday, 13 November 2016 10:33:04 UTC, Chris Green wrote:
alan_m wrote: The only way you may be getting free electricity is if you have dropped off of the radar - your old supplier has closed the account and your new supplier has no record of you signing up. Which does happen, my daughter got her electricity for nothing for several years for this reason. She repeatedly tried to find who her supplier was to no avail. As a result she *didn't* get a huge backdated bill when it was finally sorted out because only one year's worth was chargeable. I am toying with the idea of getting rid of my gas central heating, converting to 100% electric and so I will pay NO energy charges at all! |
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Brian Gaff wrote
Well, very peculiar, as I'm certain I read that they have to install the smart meter to give you this free function so they can monitor usage. Correct. Sounds to me like you have fallen through some crack in the system somewhere Nope, he's just too stupid to have noticed that he doesn’t get free electricity on Saturday or Sunday until the smartmeter has been fitted. and I'd make enquiries sooner rather than later, as they will sting you megabucks otherwise. Not if he isnt actually stupid enough to assume he is getting free electricity. Which reminds me, EDF have already missed telling me about a meter reading appointment, so I have two quarters outstanding now. Time to get a pointy stick out with them I think. "Simon Mason" wrote in message ... On Saturday, 12 November 2016 10:32:20 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote: As I read it, you have to have both Gas and Electric from them and have to have a certain type of smart meter, and not have any of the economy tariffs like economy 7. In this case they can read your meter, but I still understood you have to have a direct debit set up as any power used before this is priced at the standard default rate wh until that is actual up and running. I have an old fashioned rotating disc electricity meter and there is no way they can remotely read it. The only way they can charge me is if a bloke turns up with a torch and clipboard, but I haven't seen one of those for several years. |
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On Sunday, 13 November 2016 09:05:49 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
Not if he isnt actually stupid enough to assume he is getting free electricity. SO FAR, SO GOOD! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxUikqxXUAAWFAk.jpg |
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On 13/11/2016 08:45, Brian Gaff wrote:
Well, very peculiar, as I'm certain I read that they have to install the smart meter to give you this free function so they can monitor usage. Sounds to me like you have fallen through some crack in the system somewhere and I'd make enquiries sooner rather than later, as they will sting you megabucks otherwise. Which reminds me, EDF have already missed telling me about a meter reading appointment, so I have two quarters outstanding now. Time to get a pointy stick out with them I think. Brian My neighbour had free electricity for 10 years at his MOT business because EDF failed to switch the account into his name. When they tried to bill him for £6,000 of consumption he refused to pay because they had not sent him a bill, even though he knew they had made the original mistake. EDF wrote the £6,000 off. |
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On 2SEP16, I decided to swap my electricity to British Gas so that I could have free leccy on Sat or Sun 0900-1700 for a sauna etc. It is now 12NOV16 and I have not found how to submit a meter reading, nor can I find how I am paying for it, so at the moment I seem to be getting free electricity anyway, Nope, all you have done is deferred paying for it for a while. so I am filling my boots with free saunas 5 days a week. More fool you, they wont be free, you watch. Bet that bites you. Bet that bites you. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxCg-VJWEAAZ1a7.jpg |
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Simon Mason writes On 2SEP16, I decided to swap my electricity to British Gas so that I could have free leccy on Sat or Sun 0900-1700 for a sauna etc. It is now 12NOV16 and I have not found how to submit a meter reading, nor can I find how I am paying for it, so at the moment I seem to be getting free electricity anyway, so I am filling my boots with free saunas 5 days a week. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxCg-VJWEAAZ1a7.jpg AIUI the free leccy was conditional on you having a smart meter so no need for you to submit bills. I suspect you are in for a ride awakening. -- bert |
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