On 30 Jul 2004 18:53:06 -0700, (simpi) wrote:

I've just had an awful potential scaulding indident with my 2-yr old.

Middle-of-the-night leaking nappy poo incident (surely familiar to all
parents) meant a bath was required. While washing my little boy's
hair, I struggled for ages to get the (electric, over-bath) shower to
the right temp for rinsing, then began showering his head when after a
moment, he screamed in obvious shock/pain. Shower water was suddenly
*hot*. He is ok, but it has put replacement shower to the top of my
list of 'TODOs'.

We have an electric shower (cold mains only) which id devilishly
difficult to control.

We have had a (worcester) combi boiler fitted recently (shower
predates). I don't know the spec but can hunt out the manual.

I've read the FAQ & searched uk-diy for shower info but would like
confirmation that the conventional/mixer is the right way to go. My
most important requirement is that we don't have the scaulding risk.
Will this type of shower be ok? I don't mind paying a bit more for a
shower that protects against scaulding.

I have, over the past year asked at B&Q and also MFI but don't quite
trust the advice, virtually every shower I asked about seemed to be
"fine".

Almost anything that is labelled thermostatic would probably do -
these devices will not let anything through that's hotter than the
thing is set at.. I use a shower pump and a cheapy thermostatic shower
mixer (Screwfix)- and that has worked fine ( and our hot water is
*very* hot) for over a year. You can also get thermostatic bath\shower
mixers that just replace your bath taps - but also provide this
overheat protection - however, check if you have the pressure for
this.

When you say 'electric', do you mean it heats the water or simply
pumps the water (i.e. power shower). I thought most electric ones had
thermostats in them anyway.

Steve

"Steve Gontarek" wrote in message
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On 30 Jul 2004 18:53:06 -0700, (simpi) wrote:

I've read the FAQ & searched uk-diy for shower info but would like
confirmation that the conventional/mixer is the right way to go. My
most important requirement is that we don't have the scaulding risk.
Will this type of shower be ok? I don't mind paying a bit more for a
shower that protects against scaulding.

Almost anything that is labelled thermostatic would probably do -
these devices will not let anything through that's hotter than the
thing is set at.. I use a shower pump and a cheapy thermostatic shower
mixer (Screwfix)- and that has worked fine ( and our hot water is
*very* hot) for over a year. You can also get thermostatic bath\shower
mixers that just replace your bath taps - but also provide this
overheat protection - however, check if you have the pressure for
this.

When you say 'electric', do you mean it heats the water or simply
pumps the water (i.e. power shower). I thought most electric ones had
thermostats in them anyway.

I agree with Steve, 'thermostat' is your buzzword here! If you trawl
through the archives of this newgroup you'll find plenty of arguments on the
merits of different types of shower. Most people here (and I'd agree) will
probably tell you that electric ones are the naffest sort, but even so,
there's no reason why they should be so hard to control as yours, or spit
out scalding water, so for simplicity you could probably replace it with
another electric one, if you get a decent, thermostatically controlled one.

David

On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:33:20 GMT, Lobster wrote:

I agree with Steve, 'thermostat' is your buzzword here! If you trawl
through the archives of this newgroup you'll find plenty of arguments on the
merits of different types of shower. Most people here (and I'd agree) will
probably tell you that electric ones are the naffest sort, but even so,
there's no reason why they should be so hard to control as yours, or spit
out scalding water, so for simplicity you could probably replace it with
another electric one, if you get a decent, thermostatically controlled one.

It's also worth noting that some older electric showers don't "run on" for
a bit when turned off. This means that water in the heater portion gets
excessively heated by heat remaining in the element after the juice is cut.
This gets ejected from the shower as often scalding water if the shower is
turned on again soon after.

In article , nog
writes
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:33:20 GMT, Lobster wrote:

I agree with Steve, 'thermostat' is your buzzword here! If you trawl
through the archives of this newgroup you'll find plenty of arguments on the
merits of different types of shower. Most people here (and I'd agree) will
probably tell you that electric ones are the naffest sort, but even so,
there's no reason why they should be so hard to control as yours, or spit
out scalding water, so for simplicity you could probably replace it with
another electric one, if you get a decent, thermostatically controlled one.

It's also worth noting that some older electric showers don't "run on" for
a bit when turned off. This means that water in the heater portion gets
excessively heated by heat remaining in the element after the juice is cut.
This gets ejected from the shower as often scalding water if the shower is
turned on again soon after.

Are there any power showers that work of these combi boilers then?. The
best days work I ever did was to scrap the two electric showers and
replace with Two MIRA Event units some years ago. Excellent performer
and not been a days trouble, except for the annual de-scale of the
shower heads.

Wouldn't give an electric shower house room!.....
--
Tony Sayer

"simpi" wrote in message
om...
I've just had an awful potential scaulding indident with my 2-yr old.

Middle-of-the-night leaking nappy poo incident (surely familiar to all
parents) meant a bath was required. While washing my little boy's
hair, I struggled for ages to get the (electric, over-bath) shower to
the right temp for rinsing, then began showering his head when after a
moment, he screamed in obvious shock/pain. Shower water was suddenly
*hot*. He is ok, but it has put replacement shower to the top of my
list of 'TODOs'.

We have an electric shower (cold mains only) which id devilishly
difficult to control.

We have had a (worcester) combi boiler fitted recently (shower
predates). I don't know the spec but can hunt out the manual.

I've read the FAQ & searched uk-diy for shower info but would like
confirmation that the conventional/mixer is the right way to go. My
most important requirement is that we don't have the scaulding risk.
Will this type of shower be ok? I don't mind paying a bit more for a
shower that protects against scaulding.

I have, over the past year asked at B&Q and also MFI but don't quite
trust the advice, virtually every shower I asked about seemed to be
"fine".


In your case you may want a bath mixer, with a temprature control valve in
the plumbing, see these people. They may cost more, but they are one of the
best
http://www.rwc.co.uk/rwc/hoprofs.htm

"James Salisbury" wrote in message ...
"simpi" wrote in message
om...
I've just had an awful potential scaulding indident with my 2-yr old.

Middle-of-the-night leaking nappy poo incident (surely familiar to all
parents) meant a bath was required. While washing my little boy's
hair, I struggled for ages to get the (electric, over-bath) shower to
the right temp for rinsing, then began showering his head when after a
moment, he screamed in obvious shock/pain. Shower water was suddenly
*hot*. He is ok, but it has put replacement shower to the top of my
list of 'TODOs'.

We have an electric shower (cold mains only) which id devilishly
difficult to control.

We have had a (worcester) combi boiler fitted recently (shower
predates). I don't know the spec but can hunt out the manual.

I've read the FAQ & searched uk-diy for shower info but would like
confirmation that the conventional/mixer is the right way to go. My
most important requirement is that we don't have the scaulding risk.
Will this type of shower be ok? I don't mind paying a bit more for a
shower that protects against scaulding.

I have, over the past year asked at B&Q and also MFI but don't quite
trust the advice, virtually every shower I asked about seemed to be
"fine".


In your case you may want a bath mixer, with a temprature control valve in
the plumbing, see these people. They may cost more, but they are one of the
best
http://www.rwc.co.uk/rwc/hoprofs.htm

Thanks for all the advice.
The current shower heats the water, it does have a temp dial but it is
just rubbish at controlling the temp, it was in the house when we
bought it (1 year ago) and I think it's old and was probably the
cheapest of cheap when first fitted. It does get very hot if a tap is
turned on elsewhere in the house though that wasn't the problem the
other night.
We have very good water pressure having recently had the lead pipes
replaced and combi fitted. I' also keen to fit something that can be
easily moved/refitted as we are planning to fit a new bathroom
sometime next year.
So, I'll look for something with a good thermostat, electric or
conventional.
The reliance thermostatic mixers look really good.

(simpi) wrote in message We have very good water pressure having recently had the lead pipes
replaced and combi fitted. I' also keen to fit something that can be
easily moved/refitted as we are planning to fit a new bathroom
sometime next year.
So, I'll look for something with a good thermostat, electric or
conventional.
The reliance thermostatic mixers look really good.

I think somebody else has mentioned already, but you can get mixers
that go into the pipework from the source of your hot water and will
never go above something like 41 degrees. These as far as I'm aware
are required in places like nursing homes and are BS approved.
Screwfix sell them. I would imagine you'd need decent hot water
pressure.

Many places I go have the hot water scalding hot and I just don't get
it. You (I) spend ages either trying to get the right mix or going
between hot & cold taps.

"James Salisbury" wrote in message
...

"simpi" wrote in message
om...
I've just had an awful potential scaulding indident with my 2-yr old.

Middle-of-the-night leaking nappy poo incident (surely familiar to all
parents) meant a bath was required. While washing my little boy's
hair, I struggled for ages to get the (electric, over-bath) shower to
the right temp for rinsing, then began showering his head when after a
moment, he screamed in obvious shock/pain. Shower water was suddenly
*hot*. He is ok, but it has put replacement shower to the top of my
list of 'TODOs'.

We have an electric shower (cold mains only) which id devilishly
difficult to control.

We have had a (worcester) combi boiler fitted recently (shower
predates). I don't know the spec but can hunt out the manual.

I've read the FAQ & searched uk-diy for shower info but would like
confirmation that the conventional/mixer is the right way to go. My
most important requirement is that we don't have the scaulding risk.
Will this type of shower be ok? I don't mind paying a bit more for a
shower that protects against scaulding.

I have, over the past year asked at B&Q and also MFI but don't quite
trust the advice, virtually every shower I asked about seemed to be
"fine".


In your case you may want a bath mixer, with a temprature control valve in
the plumbing, see these people. They may cost more, but they are one of
the
best
http://www.rwc.co.uk/rwc/hoprofs.htm

A combi has DHW temperature control. A thermostatic shower is all that is
needed. A good one: Mira, Triton, Aquilizer, Grohe, etc.

"simpi" wrote in message
om...
"James Salisbury" wrote in message
...
"simpi" wrote in message
om...
I've just had an awful potential scaulding indident with my 2-yr old.

Middle-of-the-night leaking nappy poo incident (surely familiar to all
parents) meant a bath was required. While washing my little boy's
hair, I struggled for ages to get the (electric, over-bath) shower to
the right temp for rinsing, then began showering his head when after a
moment, he screamed in obvious shock/pain. Shower water was suddenly
*hot*. He is ok, but it has put replacement shower to the top of my
list of 'TODOs'.

We have an electric shower (cold mains only) which id devilishly
difficult to control.

We have had a (worcester) combi boiler fitted recently (shower
predates). I don't know the spec but can hunt out the manual.

I've read the FAQ & searched uk-diy for shower info but would like
confirmation that the conventional/mixer is the right way to go. My
most important requirement is that we don't have the scaulding risk.
Will this type of shower be ok? I don't mind paying a bit more for a
shower that protects against scaulding.

I have, over the past year asked at B&Q and also MFI but don't quite
trust the advice, virtually every shower I asked about seemed to be
"fine".


In your case you may want a bath mixer, with a temprature control valve
in
the plumbing, see these people. They may cost more, but they are one of
the
best
http://www.rwc.co.uk/rwc/hoprofs.htm

Thanks for all the advice.
The current shower heats the water, it does have a temp dial but it is
just rubbish at controlling the temp, it was in the house when we
bought it (1 year ago) and I think it's old and was probably the
cheapest of cheap when first fitted. It does get very hot if a tap is
turned on elsewhere in the house though that wasn't the problem the
other night.
We have very good water pressure having recently had the lead pipes
replaced and combi fitted. I' also keen to fit something that can be
easily moved/refitted as we are planning to fit a new bathroom
sometime next year.
So, I'll look for something with a good thermostat, electric or
conventional.
The reliance thermostatic mixers look really good.

DO NOT buy electric when you have a combi at hand. Electric showers are
made by satan.

DO NOT buy electric when you have a combi at hand. Electric showers are
made by satan.



Lot of sense spoken there...for a change
--
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...

DO NOT buy electric when you have a combi at hand. Electric showers are
made by satan.

Lot of sense spoken there...for a change

Always full of wisdom. The problem is you can't see it which is a shame.