Silly question around here really but...

Washing machine about 10 years old, been hammered a bit (2 young kid etc).
Already had a new doorseal (thanks to guidance from this group). Been
repaired "professionally" twice. Still stops occasionally mid cycle and
refuses to open the door, when it does spills 50 litres of water and washing
into the garage.

Is it time to replace or is this symptomatic of a stupid thing like a sensor
or something?

Tony

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
TonyK wrote:

Silly question around here really but...

Washing machine about 10 years old, been hammered a bit (2 young kid
etc). Already had a new doorseal (thanks to guidance from this
group). Been repaired "professionally" twice. Still stops
occasionally mid cycle and refuses to open the door, when it does
spills 50 litres of water and washing into the garage.

Is it time to replace or is this symptomatic of a stupid thing like a
sensor or something?

Tony


Could be something simple. Could be the programmer, I suppose. Either way,
it could cost a lot to find out!

If you can DIY it or get it repaired cheaply, I certainly wouldn't throw it
away just because it's 10 years old. Our current machine (Zanussi) must be
getting on for 20. We replaced the previous one (Hoover) after about 10
years - but that was because the casing was rusting badly as a result of
excessive exposure to nappy fluid - rather than mechanical failure.

Incidentally, most machines - when they stop mid-cycle or fail to pump out
for some reason - can be emptied with very little spillage by unclipping the
output hose from the back and pulling it down into a bowl.
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On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:18:19 -0000, "TonyK" wrote:

Silly question around here really but...

Washing machine about 10 years old, been hammered a bit (2 young kid etc).
Already had a new doorseal (thanks to guidance from this group). Been
repaired "professionally" twice. Still stops occasionally mid cycle and
refuses to open the door, when it does spills 50 litres of water and washing
into the garage.

Is it time to replace or is this symptomatic of a stupid thing like a sensor
or something?


Try cleaning out the pump and associated pipework, probably coins in
pump.

--
Niall

"Niall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:18:19 -0000, "TonyK" wrote:

Silly question around here really but...

Washing machine about 10 years old, been hammered a bit (2 young kid
etc).
Already had a new doorseal (thanks to guidance from this group). Been
repaired "professionally" twice. Still stops occasionally mid cycle and
refuses to open the door, when it does spills 50 litres of water and
washing
into the garage.

Is it time to replace or is this symptomatic of a stupid thing like a
sensor
or something?


Try cleaning out the pump and associated pipework, probably coins in
pump.

Or socks: had a few cases where toddler's socks got into the lint-catching
filter (unscrewable from the front on our Bosch machine) and once where one
got stuck in the rubber funnel which connects between the outer drum and the
pump etc pipework. Also had a case where the machine filled and filled until
water reached and gushed out of the soap dispenser, due to blockage in the
branch of rubber pipework from this funnel bit to the pressure switch which
senses the level of water in the drum. A thorough cleanout of the gunge in
this funnel+pipework area sorted it.


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On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 21:23:41 -0000, "John Stumbles"
] wrote:

"Niall" wrote in message
...


Try cleaning out the pump and associated pipework, probably coins in
pump.

Or socks: had a few cases where toddler's socks got into the lint-catching
filter (unscrewable from the front on our Bosch machine) and once where one
got stuck in the rubber funnel which connects between the outer drum and the
pump etc pipework. Also had a case where the machine filled and filled until
water reached and gushed out of the soap dispenser, due to blockage in the
branch of rubber pipework from this funnel bit to the pressure switch which
senses the level of water in the drum. A thorough cleanout of the gunge in
this funnel+pipework area sorted it.

I'd expect socks and the like to be a showstopper; coins seem to cause
the "occasional mid program stop" symptom. Often advancing the
controller by hand can get it going for a few washes. I'm guessing a
partial blockage slows the emptying enough to confuse the logic.

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Niall

Our old Whirlpool started to stop mid-cycle and it turned out to
be the programmer. Not stop exactly - it got stuck on whatever it
was doing when the programmer cut out.

I got a reconditioned exchange unit from some place I forget, but
will dig out the details if you need them. ISTR it cost about £35
for our model. Took a day to fit it though! The programmer had an
insane number of wires atached to it - getting on for 100 I
think. Frightening just to look at and contemplate meddling with.
Labelling them all up with the terminal numbers took the morning.
Reassembling the ball of spaghetti round the new programmer took
most of the afternoon. I was skint but had time on my hands so it
was worth it. Otherwise...

W.









"Niall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:18:19 -0000, "TonyK" wrote:

Silly question around here really but...

Washing machine about 10 years old, been hammered a bit (2
young kid etc).
Already had a new doorseal (thanks to guidance from this
group). Been
repaired "professionally" twice. Still stops occasionally mid
cycle and
refuses to open the door, when it does spills 50 litres of
water and washing
into the garage.

Is it time to replace or is this symptomatic of a stupid thing
like a sensor
or something?


Try cleaning out the pump and associated pipework, probably
coins in
pump.

--
Niall

Woodspoiler wrote:

I was skint but had time on my hands so it
was worth it. Otherwise...


Precisely. What is your time worth?

Be ruthless in cost benefit analysis of all home tasks.

Cost to get a man in to replace a single screw - 50 quid?
Cost of you to go down to shed, rummage arond and find similar screw -
in my case problay an hour elapsed time, and a 25 mile round trip at 30p
a mile, say 7.50 plus and hur of my time - say 30 quid 37.50.
Cost of doing same if you already have the screw? 5p?


I would expect to dismantle and thoroughly clean and fix a washing
machine is several elapsed hours, plus the cost of locating and
purchasing spares. OTOH if you online ordfer a new one, it will be
delivered to your door, the old one removed and the new one sntalled
with less than an hours effort on your part.

Your choice.

In article , The Natural Philosopher
writes

OTOH if you online ordfer a new one, it will be
delivered to your door, the old one removed and the new one sntalled
with less than an hours effort on your part.

Yes, but you forget two things:

1) this is uk.d-i-y

2) the satisfaction from fixing something yourself is often well worth
the time you have had to put into it - and you have learnt something
about how the widget works.

"Niall" wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:18:19 -0000, "TonyK" wrote:

Silly question around here really but...

Washing machine about 10 years old, been hammered a bit (2 young kid etc).
Already had a new doorseal (thanks to guidance from this group). Been
repaired "professionally" twice. Still stops occasionally mid cycle and
refuses to open the door, when it does spills 50 litres of water and washing
into the garage.

Is it time to replace or is this symptomatic of a stupid thing like a sensor
or something?


Try cleaning out the pump and associated pipework, probably coins in
pump.

The Hoover w/m I have owned have had water level sensors with a tube going to
the bottom of the drum. The tube sometimes gets blocked and needs cleanng out.
This causes a mid cycle stop.


Michael Chare

On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:18:19 -0000, "TonyK" wrote:

Silly question around here really but...

Washing machine about 10 years old, been hammered a bit (2 young kid etc).
Already had a new doorseal (thanks to guidance from this group). Been
repaired "professionally" twice. Still stops occasionally mid cycle and
refuses to open the door, when it does spills 50 litres of water and washing
into the garage.

Is it time to replace or is this symptomatic of a stupid thing like a sensor
or something?

My 1997 Whirlpool used to stop mid-flow but it just needed a manual
advance to the next click on the program. When we moved it to another
house we noticed the floor underneath was soaking wet, so obviously
leakage, and after some exploration with a torch and some kitchen roll
I discovered the hose that goes from the powder hopper to the drum had
split and was dripping. £7 later and it's all fixed again.

There's nowt complicated in a 10 year old washer, and looking at our
Dyson there's nowt complicated in that either apart from the
contra-rotation gears. I'd be inclined to examine the pipes first for
blockage like others have suggested.

You haven't said whether you can manually advance the programmer or
not, but even if it's a computerised one there'll be a way of nudging
it on - I was concerned with ours that if it decides to stop we've got
no way of doing that, but you can switch it on with (I think) the spin
button pressed to start Test mode which lets you go through all the
cycles by pressing spin.
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cheers,

witchy/binarydinosaurs

TonyK wrote:

Silly question around here really but...

Washing machine about 10 years old, been hammered a bit (2 young kid etc).
Already had a new doorseal (thanks to guidance from this group). Been
repaired "professionally" twice. Still stops occasionally mid cycle and
refuses to open the door, when it does spills 50 litres of water and washing
into the garage.

Is it time to replace or is this symptomatic of a stupid thing like a sensor
or something?



There are two appraoches here - its teh same with cars as well.

Buy new, buy cheap, and sell after warranty expires.

Buy good, keep forever, and maintain until so obsolete that not worth
repairing anymore.

Its hard to get a decent quality machine these days tho. Unless you like
disassembling and fixing, buy a cheap new one, flog the guts out and
sell it after two years.


Tony

The Natural Philosopher wrote in message ...

There are two appraoches here - its teh same with cars as well.

Buy new, buy cheap, and sell after warranty expires.

Buy good, keep forever, and maintain until so obsolete that not worth
repairing anymore.

Its hard to get a decent quality machine these days tho. Unless you like
disassembling and fixing, buy a cheap new one, flog the guts out and
sell it after two years.


Option 3: buy good quality second hand, a couple of years old. Now you
get good quality goods at a fraction of the price of cheap new ones.

Our society has gone bonkers with newness disease, and used goods are
an all time bargain. Its easy to get stuff thats as good as new very
very cheaply.


Regards, NT

"TonyK" wrote in message
...
Silly question around here really but...

Washing machine about 10 years old, been hammered a bit (2 young kid etc).
Already had a new doorseal (thanks to guidance from this group). Been
repaired "professionally" twice. Still stops occasionally mid cycle and
refuses to open the door, when it does spills 50 litres of water and
washing
into the garage.

Is it time to replace or is this symptomatic of a stupid thing like a
sensor
or something?

Tony



Repaired... 10 mins. Cable tie holding the filler hose had snapped. High
quality stuff obviously!

Cheers

On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:57:55 -0000, TonyK wrote:

Repaired... 10 mins. Cable tie holding the filler hose had snapped.
High quality stuff obviously!

And you where going to scrap and buy a new machine just because a 2p
cable tie had given up the ghost. Mind you I bet that there are
hundreds of domestic appliances that are heaved into the back of dust
carts every day with similar simple faults. What a waste of
resources...

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Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 21:49:06 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 19:57:55 -0000, TonyK wrote:

Repaired... 10 mins. Cable tie holding the filler hose had snapped.
High quality stuff obviously!

And you where going to scrap and buy a new machine just because a 2p
cable tie had given up the ghost. Mind you I bet that there are
hundreds of domestic appliances that are heaved into the back of dust
carts every day with similar simple faults. What a waste of
resources...


Should all be collected up and given a look over and fixed if possible
then sold to the vultures on Ebay. ;-)

Mark S.

On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 21:49:06 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

And you where going to scrap and buy a new machine just because a 2p
cable tie had given up the ghost. Mind you I bet that there are
hundreds of domestic appliances that are heaved into the back of dust
carts every day with similar simple faults. What a waste of
resources...

There is always a silver lining though!

1: Keeps the dustcart people in work.
2: Keeps the supply chain in work.
3: Keeps the manufacturer in work.

Downside:

4: Keeps one or more sales people in work.

PoP

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On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 21:49:06 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

And you where going to scrap and buy a new machine just because a 2p
cable tie had given up the ghost. Mind you I bet that there are
hundreds of domestic appliances that are heaved into the back of dust
carts every day with similar simple faults. What a waste of
resources...

There is always a silver lining though!

1: Keeps the dustcart people in work.
2: Keeps the supply chain in work.
3: Keeps the manufacturer in work.

Downside:

4: Keeps one or more sales people in work.

But none of those are plus points. If all the work involved in
manufacturing and disposing of domestic appliances were halved, half
the employees would be available to do more useful work, some of the
stuff we actually do need doing. Short term there'd be job changes,
and as always some would win some would lose, but in the long run we'd
be much better off for it.

You only need to look at practically every example of this happening
through history to see that society becomes better off.


Re the scrapping of decent kit, its a crazy system. A significant
percentage of the stuff doesnt have anything at all wrong with it.
Maybe local authorities could have a warehousing area where folks can
come along and buy stuff for say 2 weeks before it gets landfilled.
Theyd need to emlpoy a safety tester. I gather some tips do this to
some extent, but all should, its just silly to bury such stuff. We
live in a society where most folk are victims to advertising, and
believe they should buy things, throw them away and buy them again. A
bit of education wouldnt go amiss.


Regards, NT

On 3 Jan 2004 03:53:25 -0800, N. Thornton wrote:

Maybe local authorities could have a warehousing area where folks
can come along and buy stuff for say 2 weeks before it gets
landfilled.

Have you seen what a standard refuse collection truck does to a
washing machine? Not much resale value after that treatment. B-)

It's probably down to our remoteness and abscence of a local tip that
the dust cart takes *anything* from white goods to sofas along with
the black bags.

Theyd need to emlpoy a safety tester.

And another collection system, though I think they have a legal
requirement to collect fridge/freezers etc now to recover the CFC's.
Doesn't stop old fridges etc getting lobbed into the back of our dust
carts and crushed though...

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Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

On 3 Jan 2004 03:53:25 -0800, (N. Thornton) wrote:




Re the scrapping of decent kit, its a crazy system. A significant
percentage of the stuff doesnt have anything at all wrong with it.
Maybe local authorities could have a warehousing area where folks can
come along and buy stuff for say 2 weeks before it gets landfilled.
Theyd need to emlpoy a safety tester. I gather some tips do this to
some extent, but all should, its just silly to bury such stuff. We
live in a society where most folk are victims to advertising, and
believe they should buy things, throw them away and buy them again. A
bit of education wouldnt go amiss.

I used to do PAT testing for such a project. Biggest problem
technically was cookers, most of which will not pass an insulation
test. Occasionally it's just a faulty ring, but usually all the
internal wiring is leaking, I suspect due to damp and grease
infiltrating the woven high temp insulation used.

But the real problem is cultural, not technical. Those who can least
afford it are the worst for having a real hangup about second hand or
"old" stuff. They'd rather sign up for years of repayments they can't
afford than accept a cheap s/h item even if it's immaculate.

I used to live in a rundown scheme, and I never bought a washing
machine. There was a regular supply of immaculate units left lying in
the common access areas when they developed small faults. If it was
better than the one I had, I'd whip it in and fix it.

--
Niall

N. Thornton wrote:

PoP wrote in message . ..

On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 21:49:06 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:


And you where going to scrap and buy a new machine just because a 2p
cable tie had given up the ghost. Mind you I bet that there are
hundreds of domestic appliances that are heaved into the back of dust
carts every day with similar simple faults. What a waste of
resources...


There is always a silver lining though!

1: Keeps the dustcart people in work.
2: Keeps the supply chain in work.
3: Keeps the manufacturer in work.

Downside:

4: Keeps one or more sales people in work.


But none of those are plus points. If all the work involved in
manufacturing and disposing of domestic appliances were halved, half
the employees would be available to do more useful work, some of the
stuff we actually do need doing. Short term there'd be job changes,
and as always some would win some would lose, but in the long run we'd
be much better off for it.

You only need to look at practically every example of this happening
through history to see that society becomes better off.



That is a very moot point. We are in an age where most of teh real work
is, and can only be, done by a small minority of people.

Example: its provbably true to say that 99% of all industrial production
could be and should be done by robots.

That way goods would be cheap, and we could all sit there whilst
machines do everything and not work, and have free goods delivered to
our doors. Rifght?

Problem is, you need top quality robost, designed by very skillful and
well educated peple, ou need top quality deigns for them, and so on. So
that model leads to a very few very skilled people doing ALL the work
whiost te rest sit around on the dole.

No whilst I persnonally think that is not unreasonable, and in fact a
country full of state sponsored couch potatoes on heroin would at least
keep the stupid *******s off the roads, some silly socialists have
slammed the idea into peoples heads that there is some 'dignity' in
work, and that peepul have a 'right to work' and that the Only True
Measure of a Mans Worth is the Labour That He Does.

So to perpetuate the myth, its necessary for the system to make pretend
work for wurkahs, so complete morons like IMM can bleat about 'low
unemployment rates' as if this was something to be applauded, when in
fact the natural evolution of post industrial society ought to be to
everyone out of work, but getting paid for it as it were..companies
ought to offer 15 year guarantees on everything, so that enegy isn't
wasted making and distributing the stuff.

In teh industrial revolution, this is precisely what happened - there
was no agricltrural work left to do, and thousands were out of work, but
instead of paying teh *******s to saty where they were and drink
scrumpy, they let them breed like rabbits,m and of course teh factories
were ready with the need for labour, and so the stupid sods ended up as
productin wurkahs in just a s ****ty houses as they had in teh country,
but now even more prone to the diseases of overcrowding and poverty, and
then of course some bright spark dreamt up unions, and the rest is
history, culminating in wet socialism as we see today.


As ususal th esoltin is totally obvious, but completely unacceptable to
the brainwashed population, so intead of visoon and action, it will be a
fumbling bloody mess for the next 60 years whilst the inevitable happens
with far more human misery than needs be...but thats people for you.
Dumb as dip****.

You know, I was in south africa a little befoire Apartheid cracked up.
Another stupid system. I asked the Zulku giy I worked with what the ANC
and the Revoultion meant to him 'Why baas, come the Revolution they (the
cuban trained agitators in the townships) say that instead of the white
man having all the swimming pools we will all have swimming pools!"

Mmm. In a population of 25 milion black, and 5 million white, in a
fairly arid counry I pointed out to him that there was not, in fact,
enough water to give every black man a flush toilet.

Well, they had their revoulution, and now they all have AIDS, because
AIDS and HIV is an inventin of the White Mans Propaganda Machine, and I
left years ago, because what happened was inevitable, and not my fight
on either side. When you see **** happening, and you know that no power
on eath can stop it, you just get out of the way.

Now every time I hear IMM, I think of that Zulu gentleman.....and every
time I hear George Bush, I hear the Afrikaaners leaders...hanging on to
a lost dream in the face of the inevitable, and every time I hear Tony
Bliar, I think of teh cuban trained agitators...



Re the scrapping of decent kit, its a crazy system. A significant
percentage of the stuff doesnt have anything at all wrong with it.
Maybe local authorities could have a warehousing area where folks can
come along and buy stuff for say 2 weeks before it gets landfilled.


They do. At our council dump you can take what you want if you tip the
staff...


Theyd need to emlpoy a safety tester. I gather some tips do this to
some extent, but all should, its just silly to bury such stuff. We
live in a society where most folk are victims to advertising, and
believe they should buy things, throw them away and buy them again. A
bit of education wouldnt go amiss.


Indeed. But we gets lots of edcation. We get educated into believing in
a consumer lifetstyle and socialist principles. The fact that its a
crock of ****, doesn't mean its not education.

Its just not education as we know it, Jim.




Regards, NT