Hi all,
I realize this is not an healthcare group, but wonder if
anyone has had a
Private Prostate resection operation who could tell me the rough cost
please?
I have had an enlarged Prostate for many years and have had many test
and am currently on Dustasteride/Tamsulosin tablets per day.
In the past 3 or 4 years my sleep has been terrible because of the
amount of times I wake needing to wee only to do a few dribbles and so
on.
I wear inconstance pants all the time.
My local hospital say I am on the "urgent" list but I can get no "when
date" from them.
If I could afford to pay it would be worth it to get some sleep.
Mick. aged 72.

Mick IOW wrote:
Hi all,
I realize this is not an healthcare group, but wonder if
anyone has had a
Private Prostate resection operation who could tell me the rough cost
please?
I have had an enlarged Prostate for many years and have had many test
and am currently on Dustasteride/Tamsulosin tablets per day.
In the past 3 or 4 years my sleep has been terrible because of the
amount of times I wake needing to wee only to do a few dribbles and so
on.
I wear inconstance pants all the time.
My local hospital say I am on the "urgent" list but I can get no "when
date" from them.
If I could afford to pay it would be worth it to get some sleep.
Mick. aged 72.


Sorry to hear of your plight and I can't help you with costs. In your
situation though it might be worth talking to your doctor about
intermittent catheterisation to tide you over.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inte...atheterisation

Not done often for chronic problems these days but given that the NHS
doesn't seem to be offering you definitive treatment any time soon it might
be worth a shot.

Tim

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On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 11:00:59 +0100, Mick IOW
wrote:

Hi all,
I realize this is not an healthcare group, but wonder if
anyone has had a
Private Prostate resection operation who could tell me the rough cost
please?
I have had an enlarged Prostate for many years and have had many test
and am currently on Dustasteride/Tamsulosin tablets per day.
In the past 3 or 4 years my sleep has been terrible because of the
amount of times I wake needing to wee only to do a few dribbles and so
on.
I wear inconstance pants all the time.
My local hospital say I am on the "urgent" list but I can get no "when
date" from them.
If I could afford to pay it would be worth it to get some sleep.
Mick. aged 72.

Google offers a median cost of £5695.

More specific and more local information from this result:
http://www.privatehealth.co.uk/condi...ry-turp/costs/

Good luck.

Nick

On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 11:00:59 +0100, Mick IOW
wrote:

Hi all,
I realize this is not an healthcare group, but wonder if
anyone has had a
Private Prostate resection operation who could tell me the rough cost
please?


Angle grinder.

G.Harman

On 14/10/2016 11:08, Nick Odell wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 11:00:59 +0100, Mick IOW
wrote:

Hi all,
I realize this is not an healthcare group, but wonder if
anyone has had a
Private Prostate resection operation who could tell me the rough cost
please?
I have had an enlarged Prostate for many years and have had many test
and am currently on Dustasteride/Tamsulosin tablets per day.
In the past 3 or 4 years my sleep has been terrible because of the
amount of times I wake needing to wee only to do a few dribbles and so
on.
I wear inconstance pants all the time.
My local hospital say I am on the "urgent" list but I can get no "when
date" from them.
If I could afford to pay it would be worth it to get some sleep.
Mick. aged 72.

Google offers a median cost of £5695.

More specific and more local information from this result:
http://www.privatehealth.co.uk/condi...ry-turp/costs/


Or $2000 if you get it done in India.

https://www.medigo.com/blog/medigo-g...prostate-cost/

Mick IOW wrote:
Hi all,
I realize this is not an healthcare group, but wonder if
anyone has had a
Private Prostate resection operation who could tell me the rough cost
please?
I have had an enlarged Prostate for many years and have had many test
and am currently on Dustasteride/Tamsulosin tablets per day.
In the past 3 or 4 years my sleep has been terrible because of the
amount of times I wake needing to wee only to do a few dribbles and so
on.
I wear inconstance pants all the time.
My local hospital say I am on the "urgent" list but I can get no "when
date" from them.
If I could afford to pay it would be worth it to get some sleep.
Mick. aged 72.

A mate of mine had a physical tap fitted privately some years ago.
We are not good enough friends for me to have seen the "equipment" but
apparently when convenient to him he can open the tap, drain and
re-close it. Saves all the constant wee just for a few drips problem.
He regularly drinks a pint or two down the pub with no obvious
discomfort. Might be worth asking your consultant about it?

On 14/10/2016 11:00, Mick IOW wrote:

My local hospital say I am on the "urgent" list but I can get no "when
date" from them.

It's a bit unfair to other people, but you can probably get this done
fairly soon if you kick up a fuss.

1. Make an urgent appointment to see your GP and explain the sleep
issue. Say you're desperate.
2. Find out who your consultant is at your local hospital and talk to
his secretary. See if s/he can get you moved up the list.
3. Sit outside the consultant's office, be polite but say you are going
to camp there until this gets sorted out. Do not be in any way
belligerent, as they can then refuse to treat you, but be an
embarrassing reminder for them.
4. Speak to your MP.
5. Does your hospital have anything like this?
https://www.royalfree.nhs.uk/contact...-service-pals/
They can be really good at pulling the right strings.


Another tack is to get a private consultation with an NHS specialist in
this field from a hospital not too far away. Cost is £200-ish. You can
then explain the problem and ask if he can put you on his NHS surgery
list as you can't afford the private surgery. At the very least, he'll
have to write to your GP, putting more pressure on there.

"GB" wrote in message
...
On 14/10/2016 11:00, Mick IOW wrote:

My local hospital say I am on the "urgent" list but I can get no "when
date" from them.

It's a bit unfair to other people, but you can probably get this done
fairly soon if you kick up a fuss.

1. Make an urgent appointment to see your GP and explain the sleep issue.
Say you're desperate.
2. Find out who your consultant is at your local hospital and talk to his
secretary. See if s/he can get you moved up the list.
3. Sit outside the consultant's office, be polite but say you are going to
camp there until this gets sorted out. Do not be in any way belligerent,
as they can then refuse to treat you, but be an embarrassing reminder for
them.
4. Speak to your MP.
5. Does your hospital have anything like this?
https://www.royalfree.nhs.uk/contact...-service-pals/
They can be really good at pulling the right strings.


Another tack is to get a private consultation with an NHS specialist in
this field from a hospital not too far away. Cost is £200-ish. You can
then explain the problem and ask if he can put you on his NHS surgery list
as you can't afford the private surgery. At the very least, he'll have to
write to your GP, putting more pressure on there.

Yep, IME this is the easiest/cheapest way to get high up on the list.
Find a surgeon, find his secretary and arrange an appointment.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 11:38:40 +0100, Bob Minchin
wrote:


I wear inconstance pants all the time.
My local hospital say I am on the "urgent" list but I can get no "when
date" from them.
If I could afford to pay it would be worth it to get some sleep.
Mick. aged 72.

A mate of mine had a physical tap fitted privately some years ago.
We are not good enough friends for me to have seen the "equipment" but
apparently when convenient to him he can open the tap, drain and
re-close it. Saves all the constant wee just for a few drips problem.
He regularly drinks a pint or two down the pub with no obvious
discomfort. Might be worth asking your consultant about it?
One thing to ascertain that if the op is done privately will the
maintenance of the catheter Tap and if going further the cost of the
piping and a bag be an ongoing cost or will the NHS step in .
Those who have had a relative who needs such things will know that
occasionally an assistant is required or even regularly as a patient
ages which can mean becoming dependant on a visiting health worker.
this describes what you may have to consider.
Simple tap
http://www.esht.nhs.uk/EasysiteWeb/g...AssetID=399310

Tap and bag

https://www.derbyhospitals.nhs.uk/ea...me=/1114v5.pdf
which may be needed at night.

Both by father and my FIL had bags for urine collection towards the
end of their lives and we got quite adept at pulling up the car so
they could extend a leg discretely out and empty out unnoticed.


On a DiY theme when they died we had loads of bag ,pipe and taps
unused. They came very useful in constructing a drip feeding system
for the other halfs tomatoes in the greenhouse when we went away.

G.Harman

On a DiY theme when they died we had loads of bag ,pipe and taps
unused. They came very useful in constructing a drip feeding system
for the other halfs tomatoes in the greenhouse when we went away.

MIL had a walking frame, commode and various similar items. We couldn't
find anybody at the NHS remotely interested in re-using them. We
couldn't give them away, because the NHS hands them out like candy.

On 14/10/2016 11:31, GB wrote:


Or $2000 if you get it done in India.

https://www.medigo.com/blog/medigo-g...prostate-cost/


But you might return with only one kidney :-).

On 14/10/2016 11:10, wrote:

Angle grinder.

No, you need a reamer for that job.

--
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In article , Mick IOW
writes
Hi all,
I realize this is not an healthcare group, but wonder if
anyone has had a
Private Prostate resection operation who could tell me the rough cost
please?
I have had an enlarged Prostate for many years and have had many test
and am currently on Dustasteride/Tamsulosin tablets per day.
In the past 3 or 4 years my sleep has been terrible because of the
amount of times I wake needing to wee only to do a few dribbles and so
on.
I wear inconstance pants all the time.
My local hospital say I am on the "urgent" list but I can get no "when
date" from them.
If I could afford to pay it would be worth it to get some sleep.
Mick. aged 72.
I'm sure BUPA would give you a quote.
--
bert

On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 11:00:59 +0100, Mick IOW wrote:

wonder if
anyone has had a Private Prostate resection operation who could tell me
the rough cost please?

There's more than one way of doing a resection. There used to be only
one: The pulling through of a sharp instrument to shave off some of the
intruding overgrown prostate, needing a 3-day stay in hospital to
recover from the bleeding.

12 years ago I had a resection with the latest 'green light laser',
costing just over £3K all in for one overnight stay. Hardly any blood
loss, as the laser both cut and sealed as it moved.
(Catheter in overnight, so could drink happily in the evening!)
The next morning the catheter was removed, and after a bath I took
the train back home and played snooker for two hours the next day.

On the NHS, the PVP was a day operation, but needed a catheter
overnight, to be removed next day.

Good luck! get it sorted out...

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(Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email)

"GB" wrote in message
...
On 14/10/2016 11:08, Nick Odell wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 11:00:59 +0100, Mick IOW
wrote:

Hi all,
I realize this is not an healthcare group, but wonder if
anyone has had a
Private Prostate resection operation who could tell me the rough cost
please?
I have had an enlarged Prostate for many years and have had many test
and am currently on Dustasteride/Tamsulosin tablets per day.
In the past 3 or 4 years my sleep has been terrible because of the
amount of times I wake needing to wee only to do a few dribbles and so
on.
I wear inconstance pants all the time.
My local hospital say I am on the "urgent" list but I can get no "when
date" from them.
If I could afford to pay it would be worth it to get some sleep.
Mick. aged 72.

Google offers a median cost of £5695.

More specific and more local information from this result:
http://www.privatehealth.co.uk/condi...ry-turp/costs/


Or $2000 if you get it done in India.

plus the air fare

plus the costs of taking someone to "mind" you.

Not worth the aggro

tim

On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:44:06 +0100, GB wrote:

MIL had a walking frame, commode and various similar items. We couldn't
find anybody at the NHS remotely interested in re-using them. We
couldn't give them away, because the NHS hands them out like candy.

Not our experience. MIL died last Friday. Called NRS (the company that
delivered her bed and mattress originally) and they had everything else
on their list too (commode, walking frame, slider sheets etc.).

They collected Wednesday. All very efficient.

(they were surprised, but grateful, that I had disassembled the bed and
built it back onto its transit frames)

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On 14/10/2016 17:26, tim... wrote:

"GB" wrote in message
...
On 14/10/2016 11:08, Nick Odell wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 11:00:59 +0100, Mick IOW
wrote:

Hi all,
I realize this is not an healthcare group, but wonder if
anyone has had a
Private Prostate resection operation who could tell me the rough cost
please?
I have had an enlarged Prostate for many years and have had many test
and am currently on Dustasteride/Tamsulosin tablets per day.
In the past 3 or 4 years my sleep has been terrible because of the
amount of times I wake needing to wee only to do a few dribbles and so
on.
I wear inconstance pants all the time.
My local hospital say I am on the "urgent" list but I can get no "when
date" from them.
If I could afford to pay it would be worth it to get some sleep.
Mick. aged 72.

Google offers a median cost of £5695.

More specific and more local information from this result:
http://www.privatehealth.co.uk/condi...ry-turp/costs/



Or $2000 if you get it done in India.

plus the air fare

plus the costs of taking someone to "mind" you.

Not worth the aggro

Good points.

People do go off to E Europe for this sort of thing, and to get
expensive dental work done.

On 14/10/2016 11:00, Mick IOW wrote:
Hi all,
I realize this is not an healthcare group, but wonder if
anyone has had a
Private Prostate resection operation who could tell me the rough cost
please?
I have had an enlarged Prostate for many years and have had many test
and am currently on Dustasteride/Tamsulosin tablets per day.
In the past 3 or 4 years my sleep has been terrible because of the
amount of times I wake needing to wee only to do a few dribbles and so
on.
I wear inconstance pants all the time.
My local hospital say I am on the "urgent" list but I can get no "when
date" from them.
If I could afford to pay it would be worth it to get some sleep.
Mick. aged 72.

My dad had a supra-pubic catheter for this and it is no exaggeration to
say it changed his life. It's quick easy and cheap to put the catheter
in and after that all you need is a district nurse visit every 8 weeks
or so.

Bill

On 14/10/2016 11:38, Bob Minchin wrote:

A mate of mine had a physical tap fitted privately some years ago.
We are not good enough friends for me to have seen the "equipment" but
apparently when convenient to him he can open the tap, drain and
re-close it. Saves all the constant wee just for a few drips problem.
He regularly drinks a pint or two down the pub with no obvious
discomfort. Might be worth asking your consultant about it?

That's a catheter. Drains into a leg bag.

Bill

On 14/10/2016 12:35, wrote:

One thing to ascertain that if the op is done privately will the
maintenance of the catheter Tap and if going further the cost of the
piping and a bag be an ongoing cost or will the NHS step in .

The NHS put you in touch with a contractor. The NHS pays.

Bill

On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 19:07:03 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

On 14/10/2016 11:38, Bob Minchin wrote:

A mate of mine had a physical tap fitted privately some years ago.
We are not good enough friends for me to have seen the "equipment" but
apparently when convenient to him he can open the tap, drain and
re-close it.

That's a catheter. Drains into a leg bag.

Bill
Not always, some people just have the tap for day use without the bag
although for night use a night bag should be connected as it is
recommended the tap is used about every four hours.
For some conditions it is preferable as it keeps the bladder exercised
and elastic and in working order should it possible for the patient to
return to normal natural peeing.

Didn't Spike Milligan want a similar set up for when he was on sentry
duty in the Army ?

G.Harman

Mick IOW wrote:

My local hospital say I am on the "urgent" list

Have they got a last minute cancellations list you can get onto?

I'd not go for that it can cause infections which are worse.
In my case its not prostate its gravity....
Ie my gut pushes on my bladder leading to a sensce of urgency, so one has
to induce farts before the sphincter starts to leak!
Brian

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"Tim+" wrote in message
...
Mick IOW wrote:
Hi all,
I realize this is not an healthcare group, but wonder if
anyone has had a
Private Prostate resection operation who could tell me the rough cost
please?
I have had an enlarged Prostate for many years and have had many test
and am currently on Dustasteride/Tamsulosin tablets per day.
In the past 3 or 4 years my sleep has been terrible because of the
amount of times I wake needing to wee only to do a few dribbles and so
on.
I wear inconstance pants all the time.
My local hospital say I am on the "urgent" list but I can get no "when
date" from them.
If I could afford to pay it would be worth it to get some sleep.
Mick. aged 72.


Sorry to hear of your plight and I can't help you with costs. In your
situation though it might be worth talking to your doctor about
intermittent catheterisation to tide you over.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inte...atheterisation

Not done often for chronic problems these days but given that the NHS
doesn't seem to be offering you definitive treatment any time soon it
might
be worth a shot.

Tim

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On 14/10/2016 11:38, Bob Minchin wrote:
A mate of mine had a physical tap fitted privately some years ago.
We are not good enough friends for me to have seen the "equipment" but
apparently when convenient to him he can open the tap, drain and
re-close it. Saves all the constant wee just for a few drips problem.
He regularly drinks a pint or two down the pub with no obvious
discomfort. Might be worth asking your consultant about it?

Gives a whole new meaning to Tap Room.

--
Rod

Bill Wright wrote:
On 14/10/2016 11:38, Bob Minchin wrote:

A mate of mine had a physical tap fitted privately some years ago.
We are not good enough friends for me to have seen the "equipment" but
apparently when convenient to him he can open the tap, drain and
re-close it. Saves all the constant wee just for a few drips problem.
He regularly drinks a pint or two down the pub with no obvious
discomfort. Might be worth asking your consultant about it?

That's a catheter. Drains into a leg bag.

Bill


You don't know that. He might just have a urisheath, basically a heavy duty
condom with a drainage facility.

A true catheter goes right into the bladder and is potent source of urinary
infections. You really don't want an indwelling catheter unless there is no
alternative.

Tim
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Mick IOW Wrote in message:
Hi all,
I realize this is not an healthcare group, but wonder if
anyone has had a
Private Prostate resection operation who could tell me the rough cost
please?
I have had an enlarged Prostate for many years and have had many test
and am currently on Dustasteride/Tamsulosin tablets per day.
In the past 3 or 4 years my sleep has been terrible because of the
amount of times I wake needing to wee only to do a few dribbles and so
on.
I wear inconstance pants all the time.
My local hospital say I am on the "urgent" list but I can get no "when
date" from them.
If I could afford to pay it would be worth it to get some sleep.
Mick. aged 72.


Time to go see a specialist... Google for private hospitals in
your area, research the names you find in connection with your
ailment. Check they work in NHS, then "choose & book" through
your gp & start the negotiations on your first visit

....

Good luck

--
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On 14/10/2016 21:37, Brian Gaff wrote:
I'd not go for that it can cause infections which are worse.
In my case its not prostate its gravity....
Ie my gut pushes on my bladder leading to a sensce of urgency, so one has
to induce farts before the sphincter starts to leak!
Brian


Starting to head towards the "too much information" category ;-)

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
Mick IOW wrote:

My local hospital say I am on the "urgent" list

Have they got a last minute cancellations list you can get onto?


They will always put you on that list

what I can't understand is why being on the normal list has taken as long as
it has

OP appears to have chronic symptoms which must have started (as not so
severe) long ago (many years).

Once it has been established that the meds don't work for you (and they
can't be if they haven't shrunk the prostate to a point where you have no
symptoms) they will put you on the list for an op (assuming you agree with
that course) even if the symptoms are bearable.

You should get to the top in less than a year.

As we have seen, this is a cheap op, 5K private means about 1500 to the NHS.
You don't get filtered out as not severe enough as every medic knows that
this problem will only get worse for the patient and the op *will* be
necessary eventually.

tim

On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 11:01:02 AM UTC+1, Mick IOW wrote:
Hi all,
I realize this is not an healthcare group, but wonder if
anyone has had a
Private Prostate resection operation who could tell me the rough cost
please?

I have just had this operation (known as a TURP) at the Princess Margaret Hospital in Windsor; total cost, including pre-assessment and post-Op check up, was £4128. It involved a one-night stay.

As a bonus, they picked up the fact that I have early-stage prostate cancer, despite my having had a routine NHS PSA test 9 months ago which came back at 1.3, described at the time as "excellent".

So for me, it was certainly an operation worth having.

Bill Wright wrote:
On 14/10/2016 11:38, Bob Minchin wrote:

A mate of mine had a physical tap fitted privately some years ago.
We are not good enough friends for me to have seen the "equipment" but
apparently when convenient to him he can open the tap, drain and
re-close it. Saves all the constant wee just for a few drips problem.
He regularly drinks a pint or two down the pub with no obvious
discomfort. Might be worth asking your consultant about it?

That's a catheter. Drains into a leg bag.

Bill
No, this drains through the "normal" route but with an on/off switch.

On 15/10/2016 11:37, wrote:

As a bonus, they picked up the fact that I have early-stage prostate cancer, despite my having had a routine NHS PSA test 9 months ago which came back at 1.3, described at the time as "excellent".

I read a hard-to-believe statistic that something like 80-90% of men
have undiagnosed prostate cancer at the time they die - virtually all
dying of something completely unrelated.

On 15/10/16 13:13, GB wrote:
On 15/10/2016 11:37, wrote:

As a bonus, they picked up the fact that I have early-stage prostate
cancer, despite my having had a routine NHS PSA test 9 months ago
which came back at 1.3, described at the time as "excellent".

I read a hard-to-believe statistic that something like 80-90% of men
have undiagnosed prostate cancer at the time they die - virtually all
dying of something completely unrelated.


That's about the size of it ;-)

My ex business partner died of it though he was younger than me. I've
met a few more people who subsequently *have* died of it.

It's more than common, it's almost ubiquitous, but it's usually very
slow moving.


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kind word alone.

Al Capone

On 15/10/2016 13:13, GB wrote:
On 15/10/2016 11:37, wrote:

As a bonus, they picked up the fact that I have early-stage prostate
cancer, despite my having had a routine NHS PSA test 9 months ago
which came back at 1.3, described at the time as "excellent".

I read a hard-to-believe statistic that something like 80-90% of men
have undiagnosed prostate cancer at the time they die - virtually all
dying of something completely unrelated.



It seems it might be a bit lower than 80-90%. This says

"To estimate the prevalence of unsuspected prostate cancer, we reviewed
19 studies of prostate cancer discovered at autopsy among 6,024 men.
Among men aged 70-79, tumor was found in 36% of Caucasians and 51% of
African-Americans."

They go on to discuss the importance of distinguishing between lethal
prostate cancer and what they term indolent prostate cancer, because
there's no point undergoing treatment (with all its side effects) if the
cancer is relatively slow growing and not going to kill you.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25557753

GB wrote:

I read a hard-to-believe statistic that something like 80-90% of men
have undiagnosed prostate cancer at the time they die - virtually all
dying of something completely unrelated.

I've heard it often enough ... usually stated that most men will die
*with* prostate cancer, but not *from* prostate cancer.

wrote:
On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 11:01:02 AM UTC+1, Mick IOW wrote:
Hi all,
I realize this is not an healthcare group, but wonder if
anyone has had a
Private Prostate resection operation who could tell me the rough cost
please?

I have just had this operation (known as a TURP) at the Princess Margaret
Hospital in Windsor; total cost, including pre-assessment and post-Op
check up, was £4128. It involved a one-night stay.

As a bonus, they picked up the fact that I have early-stage prostate
cancer, despite my having had a routine NHS PSA test 9 months ago which
came back at 1.3, described at the time as "excellent".

So for me, it was certainly an operation worth having.


Worth it to improve your bladder symptoms. You have no way of knowing
whether it was "worth it" from the cancer POV.

Tim

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wrote in message
...
On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 11:01:02 AM UTC+1, Mick IOW wrote:
Hi all,
I realize this is not an healthcare group, but wonder if
anyone has had a
Private Prostate resection operation who could tell me the rough cost
please?

I have just had this operation (known as a TURP) at the Princess Margaret
Hospital in Windsor; total cost, including pre-assessment and post-Op
check up, was £4128. It involved a one-night stay.

As a bonus, they picked up the fact that I have early-stage prostate
cancer, despite my having had a routine NHS PSA test 9 months ago which
came back at 1.3, described at the time as "excellent".

Once you are on the path to a benign prostate enlargement, all of the
current non-invasive tests for prostate cancer are no longer effective (they
simply confirm the benign enlargement).

Prostate cancer has a usual term of 15 years. Missing it by a year or two
doesn't involve any risk.

tim

"GB" wrote in message
...
On 15/10/2016 13:13, GB wrote:
On 15/10/2016 11:37, wrote:

As a bonus, they picked up the fact that I have early-stage prostate
cancer, despite my having had a routine NHS PSA test 9 months ago
which came back at 1.3, described at the time as "excellent".

I read a hard-to-believe statistic that something like 80-90% of men
have undiagnosed prostate cancer at the time they die - virtually all
dying of something completely unrelated.



It seems it might be a bit lower than 80-90%. This says

"To estimate the prevalence of unsuspected prostate cancer, we reviewed 19
studies of prostate cancer discovered at autopsy among 6,024 men. Among
men aged 70-79, tumor was found in 36% of Caucasians and 51% of
African-Americans."

They go on to discuss the importance of distinguishing between lethal
prostate cancer and what they term indolent prostate cancer, because
there's no point undergoing treatment (with all its side effects) if the
cancer is relatively slow growing and not going to kill you.

the point is:

Not going to kill you before you die of something else. It will always kill
you eventually if you wait long enough.

15-20 years is the norm. Diagnosed in a 75 year old, the risk of the
operation is greater than that from the cancer, or was when my dad had it.

(and it *did* kill him)

tim

On 15/10/2016 18:42, tim... wrote:

"GB" wrote in message
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On 15/10/2016 13:13, GB wrote:
On 15/10/2016 11:37, wrote:

As a bonus, they picked up the fact that I have early-stage prostate
cancer, despite my having had a routine NHS PSA test 9 months ago
which came back at 1.3, described at the time as "excellent".

I read a hard-to-believe statistic that something like 80-90% of men
have undiagnosed prostate cancer at the time they die - virtually all
dying of something completely unrelated.



It seems it might be a bit lower than 80-90%. This says

"To estimate the prevalence of unsuspected prostate cancer, we
reviewed 19 studies of prostate cancer discovered at autopsy among
6,024 men. Among men aged 70-79, tumor was found in 36% of Caucasians
and 51% of African-Americans."

They go on to discuss the importance of distinguishing between lethal
prostate cancer and what they term indolent prostate cancer, because
there's no point undergoing treatment (with all its side effects) if
the cancer is relatively slow growing and not going to kill you.

the point is:

Not going to kill you before you die of something else. It will always
kill you eventually if you wait long enough.

Fair 'nuff.

15-20 years is the norm. Diagnosed in a 75 year old, the risk of the
operation is greater than that from the cancer, or was when my dad had it.

(and it *did* kill him)

I'm really sorry for your loss.

tim... wrote:

"GB" wrote in message
...
On 15/10/2016 13:13, GB wrote:
On 15/10/2016 11:37, wrote:

As a bonus, they picked up the fact that I have early-stage prostate
cancer, despite my having had a routine NHS PSA test 9 months ago
which came back at 1.3, described at the time as "excellent".

I read a hard-to-believe statistic that something like 80-90% of men
have undiagnosed prostate cancer at the time they die - virtually all
dying of something completely unrelated.



It seems it might be a bit lower than 80-90%. This says

"To estimate the prevalence of unsuspected prostate cancer, we reviewed 19
studies of prostate cancer discovered at autopsy among 6,024 men. Among
men aged 70-79, tumor was found in 36% of Caucasians and 51% of
African-Americans."

They go on to discuss the importance of distinguishing between lethal
prostate cancer and what they term indolent prostate cancer, because
there's no point undergoing treatment (with all its side effects) if the
cancer is relatively slow growing and not going to kill you.

the point is:

Not going to kill you before you die of something else. It will always kill
you eventually if you wait long enough.

15-20 years is the norm. Diagnosed in a 75 year old, the risk of the
operation is greater than that from the cancer, or was when my dad had it.

(and it *did* kill him)

tim

The trouble with prostate cancer is that it's a hugely variable beast. A
friend of mine in his 50s went to his doctor with pain in his hip. He was
dead within a year of diagnosis (which was shortly after his first visit to
the doctor).

Tim

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Please don't feed the trolls

"tim..." wrote in message
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"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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Mick IOW wrote:

My local hospital say I am on the "urgent" list

Have they got a last minute cancellations list you can get onto?


They will always put you on that list

what I can't understand is why being on the normal list has taken as long
as it has

OP appears to have chronic symptoms which must have started (as not so
severe) long ago (many years).

Once it has been established that the meds don't work for you (and they
can't be if they haven't shrunk the prostate to a point where you have no
symptoms) they will put you on the list for an op (assuming you agree with
that course) even if the symptoms are bearable.

You should get to the top in less than a year.

That is an utterly obscene delay when the medical
problem is so distruptive of normal day to day activity.

As we have seen, this is a cheap op, 5K private means about 1500 to the
NHS. You don't get filtered out as not severe enough as every medic knows
that this problem will only get worse for the patient and the op *will* be
necessary eventually.