I'm looking for some rock-wool or similar insulation that has a
'skin' on one side. I want to use it to cover a very rough bit of
wall behind a cupboard so that the back of the cupboard looks
reasonably civilized.

The insulation characteristics don't have to be wonderful but would be
handy, it probably wants to be 2" thick or so (1" might be enough).

I've looked in a few places but cant see anything much like this but
I'm sure I've come across it in the past.

Does anyone have any ideas/pointers please.

(... and yes, I *could* put a back on the cupboard but it's very
inaccessible and the above approach of sticking something to the wall
will be easier).

--
Chris Green
·

On 24/09/16 15:44, Chris Green wrote:
I'm looking for some rock-wool or similar insulation that has a
'skin' on one side. I want to use it to cover a very rough bit of
wall behind a cupboard so that the back of the cupboard looks
reasonably civilized.

The insulation characteristics don't have to be wonderful but would be
handy, it probably wants to be 2" thick or so (1" might be enough).

I've looked in a few places but cant see anything much like this but
I'm sure I've come across it in the past.

Does anyone have any ideas/pointers please.

(... and yes, I *could* put a back on the cupboard but it's very
inaccessible and the above approach of sticking something to the wall
will be easier).



Well don't go for rockwool.

You want a plasterboard faced celotex or kingspan. Dot and dab it on


--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone

On 24/09/16 15:44, Chris Green wrote:
I'm looking for some rock-wool or similar insulation that has a
'skin' on one side. I want to use it to cover a very rough bit of
wall behind a cupboard so that the back of the cupboard looks
reasonably civilized.

The insulation characteristics don't have to be wonderful but would be
handy, it probably wants to be 2" thick or so (1" might be enough).

I've looked in a few places but cant see anything much like this but
I'm sure I've come across it in the past.

Does anyone have any ideas/pointers please.

(... and yes, I *could* put a back on the cupboard but it's very
inaccessible and the above approach of sticking something to the wall
will be easier).


How about either celotex (foil faced) or celotex+plasterboard prebonded
composite? (Kingspan make a version of the latter)

On Saturday, 24 September 2016 15:48:04 UTC+1, Chris Green wrote:
I'm looking for some rock-wool or similar insulation that has a
'skin' on one side. I want to use it to cover a very rough bit of
wall behind a cupboard so that the back of the cupboard looks
reasonably civilized.

The insulation characteristics don't have to be wonderful but would be
handy, it probably wants to be 2" thick or so (1" might be enough).

I've looked in a few places but cant see anything much like this but
I'm sure I've come across it in the past.

Does anyone have any ideas/pointers please.

(... and yes, I *could* put a back on the cupboard but it's very
inaccessible and the above approach of sticking something to the wall
will be easier).

There are insulated plaster faced boards and stiff PIR boards, but I guess you don't want that, but something drapable. The only such things I can think of are bubblewrap type insulation and HW cylinder jackets. Neither will insulate at all well if air can simply go behind it.


NT

On 24/09/16 19:00, wrote:
I guess you don't want that, but something drapable.

Doesn't say that. merely to make a rough bit of wall smooth.

One assumes its an external wall in which case celotex and PB skin is a
great way to insulate it and make a fair surface .

--
"Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social
conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 11:00:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Does anyone have any ideas/pointers please.

(... and yes, I *could* put a back on the cupboard but it's very
inaccessible and the above approach of sticking something to the wall
will be easier).

There are insulated plaster faced boards and stiff PIR boards, but I guess you don't want that, but something drapable. The only such things I can think of are bubblewrap type insulation and HW cylinder jackets. Neither will insulate at all well if air can simply go behind it.

If it is something drapable then how about an actual sheepskin with
fleece still attached, you can buy them cleaned and also dyed often
intended to be used as a rug.

But I doubt he meant skin to be taken that literally.

G.Harman

On Saturday, 24 September 2016 19:51:13 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/09/16 19:00, tabbypurr wrote:

I guess you don't want that, but something drapable.

Doesn't say that.

OP doesn't clearly state what he wants, we can only guess

merely to make a rough bit of wall smooth.

One assumes its an external wall in which case celotex and PB skin is a
great way to insulate it and make a fair surface .

Not if its inaccessible, as the OP suggested. Obviously we don't know what's best until OP actually delivers some clarity. Arguing guesses is a bit pointless.


NT

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/09/16 15:44, Chris Green wrote:
I'm looking for some rock-wool or similar insulation that has a
'skin' on one side. I want to use it to cover a very rough bit of
wall behind a cupboard so that the back of the cupboard looks
reasonably civilized.

The insulation characteristics don't have to be wonderful but would be
handy, it probably wants to be 2" thick or so (1" might be enough).

I've looked in a few places but cant see anything much like this but
I'm sure I've come across it in the past.

Does anyone have any ideas/pointers please.

(... and yes, I *could* put a back on the cupboard but it's very
inaccessible and the above approach of sticking something to the wall
will be easier).



Well don't go for rockwool.

You want a plasterboard faced celotex or kingspan. Dot and dab it on

It needs to be flexible and 'spongy' as there are loads of lumps etc.
in the wall *and* it's not flat (slightly curved).

--
Chris Green
·

wrote:
On Saturday, 24 September 2016 15:48:04 UTC+1, Chris Green wrote:
I'm looking for some rock-wool or similar insulation that has a
'skin' on one side. I want to use it to cover a very rough bit of
wall behind a cupboard so that the back of the cupboard looks
reasonably civilized.

The insulation characteristics don't have to be wonderful but would be
handy, it probably wants to be 2" thick or so (1" might be enough).

I've looked in a few places but cant see anything much like this but
I'm sure I've come across it in the past.

Does anyone have any ideas/pointers please.

(... and yes, I *could* put a back on the cupboard but it's very
inaccessible and the above approach of sticking something to the wall
will be easier).

There are insulated plaster faced boards and stiff PIR boards, but I guess
you don't want that, but something drapable. The only such things I can
think of are bubblewrap type insulation and HW cylinder jackets. Neither
will insulate at all well if air can simply go behind it.

Yes, you have the idea, it needs to be reasonably 'floppy'. I'm not
too worried about the insulation properties, it's basically just a way
to cover the surface in a reasonably civilised way.

--
Chris Green
·

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/09/16 19:00, wrote:
I guess you don't want that, but something drapable.

Doesn't say that. merely to make a rough bit of wall smooth.

One assumes its an external wall in which case celotex and PB skin is a
great way to insulate it and make a fair surface .

It's not really a wall, it's actually the inside of a boat's steel
hull. It's curved, and has a disastrous collection of blobs of melted
polystyrene and partly stripped off veneer on it. I *really* don't
want to try and strip it completely, this particular section is very
inaccessible, so I want to cover it with something that will absorb
the knobbles a bit.

(The mess is the result of a minor conflagration caused by welding on
the other side, quickly put out because I was there watching for
exactly this sort of problem, but has made a mess of a small area)

--
Chris Green
·

wrote:
On Saturday, 24 September 2016 19:51:13 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/09/16 19:00, tabbypurr wrote:

I guess you don't want that, but something drapable.

Doesn't say that.

OP doesn't clearly state what he wants, we can only guess

merely to make a rough bit of wall smooth.

One assumes its an external wall in which case celotex and PB skin is a
great way to insulate it and make a fair surface .

Not if its inaccessible, as the OP suggested. Obviously we don't know what's
best until OP actually delivers some clarity. Arguing guesses is a bit
pointless.

Yes, I should have explained better, see further information I have
added to the thread.

--
Chris Green
·

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 11:00:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Does anyone have any ideas/pointers please.

(... and yes, I *could* put a back on the cupboard but it's very
inaccessible and the above approach of sticking something to the wall
will be easier).

There are insulated plaster faced boards and stiff PIR boards, but I guess
you don't want that, but something drapable. The only such things I can
think of are bubblewrap type insulation and HW cylinder jackets. Neither
will insulate at all well if air can simply go behind it.

If it is something drapable then how about an actual sheepskin with
fleece still attached, you can buy them cleaned and also dyed often
intended to be used as a rug.

But I doubt he meant skin to be taken that literally.

Well that *could* almost do what I want actually! However something
more fire resistant would be better.

--
Chris Green
·

On Sunday, 25 September 2016 09:48:05 UTC+1, Chris Green wrote:
tabbypurr wrote:
On Saturday, 24 September 2016 15:48:04 UTC+1, Chris Green wrote:

I'm looking for some rock-wool or similar insulation that has a
'skin' on one side. I want to use it to cover a very rough bit of
wall behind a cupboard so that the back of the cupboard looks
reasonably civilized.

The insulation characteristics don't have to be wonderful but would be
handy, it probably wants to be 2" thick or so (1" might be enough).

I've looked in a few places but cant see anything much like this but
I'm sure I've come across it in the past.

Does anyone have any ideas/pointers please.

(... and yes, I *could* put a back on the cupboard but it's very
inaccessible and the above approach of sticking something to the wall
will be easier).

There are insulated plaster faced boards and stiff PIR boards, but I guess
you don't want that, but something drapable. The only such things I can
think of are bubblewrap type insulation and HW cylinder jackets. Neither
will insulate at all well if air can simply go behind it.

Yes, you have the idea, it needs to be reasonably 'floppy'. I'm not
too worried about the insulation properties, it's basically just a way
to cover the surface in a reasonably civilised way.

A curtain would do that. Preferably with thermal lining.


NT

On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 09:52:14 +0100, Chris Green wrote:



There are insulated plaster faced boards and stiff PIR boards, but I guess
you don't want that, but something drapable. The only such things I can
think of are bubblewrap type insulation and HW cylinder jackets. Neither
will insulate at all well if air can simply go behind it.

If it is something drapable then how about an actual sheepskin with
fleece still attached, you can buy them cleaned and also dyed often
intended to be used as a rug.

But I doubt he meant skin to be taken that literally.

Well that *could* almost do what I want actually! However something
more fire resistant would be better.

Well you mentioning it is a boat reminded of Boiler and pipe lagging
on one I was involved with. There are many types of pad available
some with foil finishes others with other materials, Normally used to
insulate around awkward bits that may need access such as pipe flange
or valve. Need to look at a website like Armaflex have, they do much
more than just plain pipe lagging.

A poor mans version and much easier to obtain would be one of those
jackets used to insulate a copper water cylinder that was installed
before they were supplied with foam already attached.

G.Harman

Chris Green wrote:
The Natural wrote:

On 24/09/16 15:44, Chris Green wrote:

I'm looking for some rock-wool or similar insulation that has a
'skin' on one side. I want to use it to cover a very rough bit of
wall behind a cupboard so that the back of the cupboard looks
reasonably civilized.

The insulation characteristics don't have to be wonderful but would be
handy, it probably wants to be 2" thick or so (1" might be enough).

I've looked in a few places but cant see anything much like this but
I'm sure I've come across it in the past.

Does anyone have any ideas/pointers please.

(... and yes, I *could* put a back on the cupboard but it's very
inaccessible and the above approach of sticking something to the wall
will be easier).



Well don't go for rockwool.

You want a plasterboard faced celotex or kingspan. Dot and dab it on


It needs to be flexible and 'spongy' as there are loads of lumps etc.
in the wall *and* it's not flat (slightly curved).


Drop some expanding foam liquid behind a thin plywood panel. Read
about canoes first!

Capitol wrote:
It needs to be flexible and 'spongy' as there are loads of lumps etc.
in the wall *and* it's not flat (slightly curved).


Drop some expanding foam liquid behind a thin plywood panel. Read
about canoes first!

Is that the one where the garage filled with foam! :-)

However access for squirting foam behind might be difficult and what
happens the next time some welding is done on the outside? That's why
I expressed a preference for wire wool or similar, it would be OK when
welded next to.

--
Chris Green
·

On Sunday, 25 September 2016 13:48:04 UTC+1, Chris Green wrote:
Capitol wrote:

Drop some expanding foam liquid behind a thin plywood panel. Read
about canoes first!

Is that the one where the garage filled with foam! :-)

http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/humour.html#foam


NT

On 25/09/16 09:43, Chris Green wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/09/16 15:44, Chris Green wrote:
I'm looking for some rock-wool or similar insulation that has a
'skin' on one side. I want to use it to cover a very rough bit of
wall behind a cupboard so that the back of the cupboard looks
reasonably civilized.

The insulation characteristics don't have to be wonderful but would be
handy, it probably wants to be 2" thick or so (1" might be enough).

I've looked in a few places but cant see anything much like this but
I'm sure I've come across it in the past.

Does anyone have any ideas/pointers please.

(... and yes, I *could* put a back on the cupboard but it's very
inaccessible and the above approach of sticking something to the wall
will be easier).



Well don't go for rockwool.

You want a plasterboard faced celotex or kingspan. Dot and dab it on

It needs to be flexible and 'spongy' as there are loads of lumps etc.
in the wall *and* it's not flat (slightly curved).

well if you go for a reasonably thin but - say 30mm or less you can
wahck it into shape.

Jost diot and dab the high spots and leave the hollows anyway.


--
Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

On 25/09/16 09:50, Chris Green wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/09/16 19:00, wrote:
I guess you don't want that, but something drapable.

Doesn't say that. merely to make a rough bit of wall smooth.

One assumes its an external wall in which case celotex and PB skin is a
great way to insulate it and make a fair surface .

It's not really a wall, it's actually the inside of a boat's steel
hull. It's curved, and has a disastrous collection of blobs of melted
polystyrene and partly stripped off veneer on it. I *really* don't
want to try and strip it completely, this particular section is very
inaccessible, so I want to cover it with something that will absorb
the knobbles a bit.

(The mess is the result of a minor conflagration caused by welding on
the other side, quickly put out because I was there watching for
exactly this sort of problem, but has made a mess of a small area)

thin PB backed with celotex and injected with EP foam behind


--
Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.