Hello all,

well, here's a dilemma...

The plastic drum outer body on our washing machine - a 16-year old
Hotpoint WD62 washer-dryer - scracked the other day. Not sure why, but
it went bang and started leaking water, and opeeed it up and saw a
massive crack on the side. Above the water line but obviously it
sploshes out when the mahine is spinning.

This is machine has otherwise lasted very well. I've only just changed
the motor brushes but the drum bearing has never seemed to need changing.

I've just discovered that I could buy the outer drum body:

http://www.espares.co.uk/product/es4...ModelId=435982

and take the whole machine to bits to replace it! Good idea or not?

The pros: the machine is dual-fill, which is difficult to find these
days. The machine has proved sturdy and reasonably reliable. The machine
was made in the UK which is difficult to find these days (Ebac have just
started making in the UK but they don't make washer dyers and their
products are not available until September, anyway)

The cons: half a day of messing about, and assuming everything else is
OK inside the machine (I see no reason yet to assume otherwise).

What do you reckon?

Michael

On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:36:53 +0100, Michael Kilpatrick
wrote:

Hello all,

well, here's a dilemma...

The plastic drum outer body on our washing machine - a 16-year old
Hotpoint WD62 washer-dryer - scracked the other day. Not sure why, but
it went bang and started leaking water, and opeeed it up and saw a
massive crack on the side.

That would be the question I would want to answer first, 'why'?

Above the water line but obviously it
sploshes out when the mahine is spinning.

You can get some silicone based adhesives that can even work on wet
surfaces. ;-)

This is machine has otherwise lasted very well. I've only just changed
the motor brushes but the drum bearing has never seemed to need changing.

Cool. The 13 moth old Zanussi I got of Freecycle was written off
because the bearings had failed. I cut the (welded) plastic drum in
half, replaced the bearings, joined the drum back together and used it
for another 7 years. ;-)

I've just discovered that I could buy the outer drum body:

http://www.espares.co.uk/product/es4...ModelId=435982

and take the whole machine to bits to replace it! Good idea or not?

If you like doing that sort of thing, can afford it (v buying a new
machine) and like the S&G's, why not. ;-)


The pros: the machine is dual-fill, which is difficult to find these
days.

We had that when considering replacing our elderly conventionally
vented tumble dryer. Couldn't easily find one with the outlet in the
same place or with the same features so just repair it as required.
;-)

The machine has proved sturdy and reasonably reliable. The machine
was made in the UK which is difficult to find these days (Ebac have just
started making in the UK but they don't make washer dyers and their
products are not available until September, anyway)

The cons: half a day of messing about, and assuming everything else is
OK inside the machine (I see no reason yet to assume otherwise).

What do you reckon?

I was quite sad when the bearings *finally* went on the Zanussi and
sort of regretted letting our daughter go and buy us a new one and
taking the other one away (girl with a van g).

The reason was ... we (the Mrs and I fixed it together) had some
history with the machine (recovering it when all the advice was that
it was impossible / not cost effective) and I *knew* I could do the
same again. However, a pile of important washing and my time
*supposed* to be focusing on more important things meant I had to let
it go ... ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On 7/29/2016 10:36 AM, Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
Hello all,

well, here's a dilemma...

The plastic drum outer body on our washing machine - a 16-year old
Hotpoint WD62 washer-dryer - scracked the other day. Not sure why, but
it went bang and started leaking water, and opeeed it up and saw a
massive crack on the side. Above the water line but obviously it
sploshes out when the mahine is spinning.

This is machine has otherwise lasted very well. I've only just changed
the motor brushes but the drum bearing has never seemed to need changing.

I've just discovered that I could buy the outer drum body:

http://www.espares.co.uk/product/es4...ModelId=435982


and take the whole machine to bits to replace it! Good idea or not?

The pros: the machine is dual-fill, which is difficult to find these
days. The machine has proved sturdy and reasonably reliable. The machine
was made in the UK which is difficult to find these days (Ebac have just
started making in the UK but they don't make washer dyers and their
products are not available until September, anyway)

The cons: half a day of messing about, and assuming everything else is
OK inside the machine (I see no reason yet to assume otherwise).

What do you reckon?

Michael

Depending on the location of the crack, and whether or not it looks like
it is going to propagate, might it be repairable? Presumably an axial
crack, so a "bandage" using something like Sylglas / Denso tape might
help to keep it closed, and also provide sealing. Perhaps difficult to
bandage all the way around, but you could bind the drum with something
like string (for strength) and then just tape over the crack area. Bear
in mind that the outer drum is (probably) structural, i.e. it supports
the bearings and inner drum, as well as seeing the tension from the
drive belt.

On Friday, 29 July 2016 11:07:41 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
On 7/29/2016 10:36 AM, Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
Hello all,

well, here's a dilemma...

The plastic drum outer body on our washing machine - a 16-year old
Hotpoint WD62 washer-dryer - scracked the other day. Not sure why, but
it went bang and started leaking water, and opeeed it up and saw a
massive crack on the side. Above the water line but obviously it
sploshes out when the mahine is spinning.

This is machine has otherwise lasted very well. I've only just changed
the motor brushes but the drum bearing has never seemed to need changing.

I've just discovered that I could buy the outer drum body:

http://www.espares.co.uk/product/es4...ModelId=435982


and take the whole machine to bits to replace it! Good idea or not?

The pros: the machine is dual-fill, which is difficult to find these
days. The machine has proved sturdy and reasonably reliable. The machine
was made in the UK which is difficult to find these days (Ebac have just
started making in the UK but they don't make washer dyers and their
products are not available until September, anyway)

The cons: half a day of messing about, and assuming everything else is
OK inside the machine (I see no reason yet to assume otherwise).

What do you reckon?

Michael

Depending on the location of the crack, and whether or not it looks like
it is going to propagate, might it be repairable? Presumably an axial
crack, so a "bandage" using something like Sylglas / Denso tape might
help to keep it closed, and also provide sealing. Perhaps difficult to
bandage all the way around, but you could bind the drum with something
like string (for strength) and then just tape over the crack area. Bear
in mind that the outer drum is (probably) structural, i.e. it supports
the bearings and inner drum, as well as seeing the tension from the
drive belt.

Many plastics can be hot welded, I'd probably look at that first. String is no use, it stretches, and starts with a small fraction of the strength of the tub.

Your choice innit, we don't know what suits you.


NT

On 29/07/2016 10:55, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:36:53 +0100, Michael Kilpatrick
wrote:

Hello all,

well, here's a dilemma...

The plastic drum outer body on our washing machine - a 16-year old
Hotpoint WD62 washer-dryer - scracked the other day. Not sure why, but
it went bang and started leaking water, and opeeed it up and saw a
massive crack on the side.

That would be the question I would want to answer first, 'why'?

Above the water line but obviously it
sploshes out when the mahine is spinning.

You can get some silicone based adhesives that can even work on wet
surfaces. ;-)

I tried that, as I happened to have some. Unfortunately, because plastic
things like this tend to have stresses inside them such that when the
crack they distort, the crack opened up further after I had applied this
sealant liberally. There's no way of pushing it back into shape.

It also appears that there is very little gap between the metal drum and
this outer body, and there appears to be a piece of the plastic inside,
I think, which caught and made matters worse when I tested it with the
sealant.

I think I will quickly try and look inside - taking the inner drum out -
before I order a new body this afternoon.

Michael

Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
Hello all,

well, here's a dilemma...

The plastic drum outer body on our washing machine - a 16-year old
Hotpoint WD62 washer-dryer - scracked the other day. Not sure why, but
it went bang and started leaking water, and opeeed it up and saw a
massive crack on the side. Above the water line but obviously it
sploshes out when the mahine is spinning.

This is machine has otherwise lasted very well. I've only just changed
the motor brushes but the drum bearing has never seemed to need changing.

I've just discovered that I could buy the outer drum body:

http://www.espares.co.uk/product/es4...ModelId=435982

and take the whole machine to bits to replace it! Good idea or not?

At that price, I'd hesitate. Spending over a hundred pounds repairing a 16
yr old machine just does sound sensible to me. I appreciate the joy of
keeping old machines going but the older the machine, the less sense it
makes to spend large amounts if money on repairs.


The pros: the machine is dual-fill, which is difficult to find these
days.

Dual fill is over-rated. Most powders work better with a cold fill and
unless you machine is next to a combi, the "dead space" in your pipework
will mean that little HW actually reaches your machine. It's really not a
good reason to hang on to an old machine.

The machine has proved sturdy and reasonably reliable.

Until recently. ;-) Who knows what lies around the next corner?

What do you reckon?

Time to treat yourself to a new machine IMO. ;-)

Tim

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On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:49:46 -0000 (UTC)
Tim+ wrote:

At that price, I'd hesitate. Spending over a hundred pounds repairing
a 16 yr old machine just does sound sensible to me.

Maybe a 'not' got away?

--
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Davey wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:49:46 -0000 (UTC)
Tim+ wrote:

At that price, I'd hesitate. Spending over a hundred pounds repairing
a 16 yr old machine just does sound sensible to me.

Maybe a 'not' got away?


Indeed. Or perhaps substitute "sensible" with "crazy". ;-)

Tim

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On 29/07/16 11:53, Davey wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:49:46 -0000 (UTC)
Tim+ wrote:

At that price, I'd hesitate. Spending over a hundred pounds repairing
a 16 yr old machine just does sound sensible to me.

Maybe a 'not' got away?

Mmm. I dunno. In the end will that hundred pounds buy you another 4
years? given that a washing machine at 300 seems to last about 12 years


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On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:58:01 -0000 (UTC)
Tim+ wrote:

Davey wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:49:46 -0000 (UTC)
Tim+ wrote:

At that price, I'd hesitate. Spending over a hundred pounds
repairing a 16 yr old machine just does sound sensible to me.

Maybe a 'not' got away?


Indeed. Or perhaps substitute "sensible" with "crazy". ;-)

Tim


It's amazing how your mind can be thinking one thing, but your fingers
can write something totally different. They don't run on the same clock.

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On Friday, 29 July 2016 10:36:50 UTC+1, Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
The plastic drum outer body on our washing machine - a 16-year old
Hotpoint WD62 washer-dryer - scracked the other day.

T'obvious answer is find another WD62 for scrap value that has a different fault, and pinch the bits.

Owain

In article ,
newshound writes:
On 7/29/2016 10:36 AM, Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
Hello all,

well, here's a dilemma...

The plastic drum outer body on our washing machine - a 16-year old
Hotpoint WD62 washer-dryer - scracked the other day. Not sure why, but
it went bang and started leaking water, and opeeed it up and saw a
massive crack on the side. Above the water line but obviously it
sploshes out when the mahine is spinning.

This is machine has otherwise lasted very well. I've only just changed
the motor brushes but the drum bearing has never seemed to need changing.

I've just discovered that I could buy the outer drum body:

http://www.espares.co.uk/product/es4...ModelId=435982


and take the whole machine to bits to replace it! Good idea or not?

The pros: the machine is dual-fill, which is difficult to find these
days. The machine has proved sturdy and reasonably reliable. The machine
was made in the UK which is difficult to find these days (Ebac have just
started making in the UK but they don't make washer dyers and their
products are not available until September, anyway)

The cons: half a day of messing about, and assuming everything else is
OK inside the machine (I see no reason yet to assume otherwise).

What do you reckon?

Michael

Depending on the location of the crack, and whether or not it looks like
it is going to propagate, might it be repairable? Presumably an axial
crack, so a "bandage" using something like Sylglas / Denso tape might
help to keep it closed, and also provide sealing. Perhaps difficult to
bandage all the way around, but you could bind the drum with something
like string (for strength) and then just tape over the crack area. Bear
in mind that the outer drum is (probably) structural, i.e. it supports
the bearings and inner drum, as well as seeing the tension from the
drive belt.

Outer drum is structural, and liable to fail catasrophicly at top
spin speed if strength is compromised.

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wrote:
On Friday, 29 July 2016 10:36:50 UTC+1, Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
The plastic drum outer body on our washing machine - a 16-year old
Hotpoint WD62 washer-dryer - scracked the other day.

T'obvious answer is find another WD62 for scrap value that has a
different fault, and pinch the bits.


Meanwhile, the dirty washing is piling up and SWMBO is giving you "that
look".

Nah, cut your losses and buy the wife an early Christmas present. ;-)

Tim

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On Friday, 29 July 2016 12:02:58 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/07/16 11:53, Davey wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:49:46 -0000 (UTC)
Tim+ wrote:

At that price, I'd hesitate. Spending over a hundred pounds repairing
a 16 yr old machine just does sound sensible to me.

Maybe a 'not' got away?

Mmm. I dunno. In the end will that hundred pounds buy you another 4
years? given that a washing machine at 300 seems to last about 12 years

£50 should get you 5-7 years. Your choice.


NT

On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:49:46 +0000, Tim+ wrote:

Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
Hello all,

well, here's a dilemma...

The plastic drum outer body on our washing machine - a 16-year old
Hotpoint WD62 washer-dryer - scracked the other day. Not sure why, but
it went bang and started leaking water, and opeeed it up and saw a
massive crack on the side. Above the water line but obviously it
sploshes out when the mahine is spinning.

This is machine has otherwise lasted very well. I've only just changed
the motor brushes but the drum bearing has never seemed to need
changing.

I've just discovered that I could buy the outer drum body:

http://www.espares.co.uk/product/es4...chine-plastic-
outer-drum?pageNumber=1&PartTypeId=1558&ModelId=435982

and take the whole machine to bits to replace it! Good idea or not?

At that price, I'd hesitate. Spending over a hundred pounds repairing a
16 yr old machine just does sound sensible to me. I appreciate the joy
of keeping old machines going but the older the machine, the less sense
it makes to spend large amounts if money on repairs.

It may be worth checking out a fixed price repair from Hotpoint. Our
first one died after 16 years and I deemed it uneconomic to repair.

Stupidly, I bought another Hotpoint - nothing like the old one of course.
The bearings lasted 13 months and required a complete drum replacement at
£130. I got a fixed proce repair from Hotpoint for £98 all in.

Bearings went after another year and I bought a Bosch Logiixx.



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Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
Hello all,

well, here's a dilemma...

The plastic drum outer body on our washing machine - a 16-year old
Hotpoint WD62 washer-dryer - scracked the other day. Not sure why, but
it went bang and started leaking water, and opeeed it up and saw a
massive crack on the side. Above the water line but obviously it
sploshes out when the mahine is spinning.

This is machine has otherwise lasted very well. I've only just changed
the motor brushes but the drum bearing has never seemed to need changing.

I've just discovered that I could buy the outer drum body:

http://www.espares.co.uk/product/es4...ModelId=435982


and take the whole machine to bits to replace it! Good idea or not?

The pros: the machine is dual-fill, which is difficult to find these
days. The machine has proved sturdy and reasonably reliable. The machine
was made in the UK which is difficult to find these days (Ebac have just
started making in the UK but they don't make washer dyers and their
products are not available until September, anyway)

The cons: half a day of messing about, and assuming everything else is
OK inside the machine (I see no reason yet to assume otherwise).

What do you reckon?

Michael
Consider fitting a new door seal whilst you are at it as relatively
cheap insurance on another flood.

In article ,
Bob Minchin writes:
Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
Hello all,

well, here's a dilemma...

The plastic drum outer body on our washing machine - a 16-year old
Hotpoint WD62 washer-dryer - scracked the other day. Not sure why, but
it went bang and started leaking water, and opeeed it up and saw a
massive crack on the side. Above the water line but obviously it
sploshes out when the mahine is spinning.

This is machine has otherwise lasted very well. I've only just changed
the motor brushes but the drum bearing has never seemed to need changing.

I've just discovered that I could buy the outer drum body:

http://www.espares.co.uk/product/es4...ModelId=435982


and take the whole machine to bits to replace it! Good idea or not?

The pros: the machine is dual-fill, which is difficult to find these
days. The machine has proved sturdy and reasonably reliable. The machine
was made in the UK which is difficult to find these days (Ebac have just
started making in the UK but they don't make washer dyers and their
products are not available until September, anyway)

The cons: half a day of messing about, and assuming everything else is
OK inside the machine (I see no reason yet to assume otherwise).

What do you reckon?

Michael
Consider fitting a new door seal whilst you are at it as relatively
cheap insurance on another flood.

You should get a new drumseal - once compressed, the agro of trying
to get an old one to seal again properly isn't worth it.

--
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On 29/07/2016 10:36, Michael Kilpatrick wrote:

The cons: half a day of messing about, and assuming everything else is
OK inside the machine (I see no reason yet to assume otherwise).

What do you reckon?

No one has asked the obvious, do you live in a hard water area? That
could have easily affected internal parts of the machine in a
non-obvious way, which could be sneaking up for a further failure...

Also, a much newer machine is likely to be far more energy efficient.
Whether this actually equates to better or worse wash performance is up
for debate though

The machine has proved sturdy and reasonably reliable.

Until recently. ;-) Who knows what lies around the next corner?

What do you reckon?

Time to treat yourself to a new machine IMO. ;-)

Tim


Absolutely +1. Took the words out of my mouth. (Programmer next - then
armature, etc)

newshound wrote:
On 7/29/2016 10:36 AM, Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
Hello all,

well, here's a dilemma...

The plastic drum outer body on our washing machine - a 16-year old
Hotpoint WD62 washer-dryer - scracked the other day. Not sure why, but
it went bang and started leaking water, and opeeed it up and saw a
massive crack on the side. Above the water line but obviously it
sploshes out when the mahine is spinning.

This is machine has otherwise lasted very well. I've only just changed
the motor brushes but the drum bearing has never seemed to need
changing.

I've just discovered that I could buy the outer drum body:

http://www.espares.co.uk/product/es4...ModelId=435982



and take the whole machine to bits to replace it! Good idea or not?

The pros: the machine is dual-fill, which is difficult to find these
days. The machine has proved sturdy and reasonably reliable. The machine
was made in the UK which is difficult to find these days (Ebac have just
started making in the UK but they don't make washer dyers and their
products are not available until September, anyway)

The cons: half a day of messing about, and assuming everything else is
OK inside the machine (I see no reason yet to assume otherwise).

What do you reckon?

Michael

Depending on the location of the crack, and whether or not it looks
like it is going to propagate, might it be repairable? Presumably an
axial crack, so a "bandage" using something like Sylglas / Denso tape
might help to keep it closed, and also provide sealing. Perhaps
difficult to bandage all the way around, but you could bind the drum
with something like string (for strength) and then just tape over the
crack area. Bear in mind that the outer drum is (probably) structural,
i.e. it supports the bearings and inner drum, as well as seeing the
tension from the drive belt.

It's a washer dryer with wide temperature variations. Replace the
drum to avoid repeated repair failures.

Tim+ wrote:
Michael wrote:

Hello all,

well, here's a dilemma...

The plastic drum outer body on our washing machine - a 16-year old
Hotpoint WD62 washer-dryer - scracked the other day. Not sure why, but
it went bang and started leaking water, and opeeed it up and saw a
massive crack on the side. Above the water line but obviously it
sploshes out when the mahine is spinning.

This is machine has otherwise lasted very well. I've only just changed
the motor brushes but the drum bearing has never seemed to need changing.

I've just discovered that I could buy the outer drum body:

http://www.espares.co.uk/product/es4...ModelId=435982

and take the whole machine to bits to replace it! Good idea or not?

At that price, I'd hesitate. Spending over a hundred pounds repairing a 16
yr old machine just does sound sensible to me. I appreciate the joy of
keeping old machines going but the older the machine, the less sense it
makes to spend large amounts if money on repairs.


The pros: the machine is dual-fill, which is difficult to find these
days.

Dual fill is over-rated. Most powders work better with a cold fill and
unless you machine is next to a combi, the "dead space" in your pipework
will mean that little HW actually reaches your machine. It's really not a
good reason to hang on to an old machine.


The machine has proved sturdy and reasonably reliable.

Until recently. ;-) Who knows what lies around the next corner?


What do you reckon?

Time to treat yourself to a new machine IMO. ;-)

Tim


If you buy a new machine, bear in mind that it's life
expectancy will only be 5 years and it will not rinse or wash nearly as
well as your existing one. Her new machine has to have all clothes
double rinsed to meet her standards! Even Which says that the current
machines are crap.

Well if its otherwise OK and the outer drum is not too expensive, then OK
but do make sure the springs and other devices to stop it hitting the sides
are working properly, as normally hitting this outer piece is what causes
them to faille in the end. Unbalanced drums on modern machines are seen by
the electronics and the spin slowed till they get light enough to not be so
unbalanced, but if this is not working it might just crack the new part.
Brian

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"Michael Kilpatrick" wrote in message
...
Hello all,

well, here's a dilemma...

The plastic drum outer body on our washing machine - a 16-year old
Hotpoint WD62 washer-dryer - scracked the other day. Not sure why, but it
went bang and started leaking water, and opeeed it up and saw a massive
crack on the side. Above the water line but obviously it sploshes out when
the mahine is spinning.

This is machine has otherwise lasted very well. I've only just changed
the motor brushes but the drum bearing has never seemed to need changing.

I've just discovered that I could buy the outer drum body:

http://www.espares.co.uk/product/es4...ModelId=435982

and take the whole machine to bits to replace it! Good idea or not?

The pros: the machine is dual-fill, which is difficult to find these
days. The machine has proved sturdy and reasonably reliable. The machine
was made in the UK which is difficult to find these days (Ebac have just
started making in the UK but they don't make washer dyers and their
products are not available until September, anyway)

The cons: half a day of messing about, and assuming everything else is OK
inside the machine (I see no reason yet to assume otherwise).

What do you reckon?

Michael

"Brian Gaff" wrote in
:

Well if its otherwise OK and the outer drum is not too expensive, then
OK but do make sure the springs and other devices to stop it hitting
the sides are working properly, as normally hitting this outer piece
is what causes them to faille in the end. Unbalanced drums on modern
machines are seen by the electronics and the spin slowed till they get
light enough to not be so unbalanced, but if this is not working it
might just crack the new part.
Brian


It has paid for itself. Time for it to go.

Capitol wrote:
Tim+ wrote:
Michael wrote:


What do you reckon?

Time to treat yourself to a new machine IMO. ;-)

Tim


If you buy a new machine, bear in mind that it's life
expectancy will only be 5 years

An oft repeated claim. Is there any evidence for this? Never had a machine
last less than 10 years personally. I'm sure quality brands will last more
than 5 years.

and it will not rinse or wash nearly as
well as your existing one. Her new machine has to have all clothes
double rinsed to meet her standards!

No accounting for some folk...

Even Which says that the current
machines are crap.

Pretty much matches their reviews then.

Tim

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On Friday, 29 July 2016 15:36:16 UTC+1, Lee wrote:

No one has asked the obvious, do you live in a hard water area? That
could have easily affected internal parts of the machine in a
non-obvious way, which could be sneaking up for a further failure...

Someone's been watching Cashgone ads. I mean Calgon.


NT

On Friday, 29 July 2016 18:44:37 UTC+1, Tim+ wrote:
Capitol wrote:

Even Which says that the current
machines are crap.

Pretty much matches their reviews then.

Which's opinions are worthless IME.


NT

On 29/07/2016 10:36, Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
Hello all,

well, here's a dilemma...

The plastic drum outer body on our washing machine - a 16-year old
Hotpoint WD62 washer-dryer - scracked the other day. Not sure why, but
it went bang and started leaking water, and opeeed it up and saw a
massive crack on the side. Above the water line but obviously it
sploshes out when the mahine is spinning.

This is machine has otherwise lasted very well. I've only just changed
the motor brushes but the drum bearing has never seemed to need changing.

I've just discovered that I could buy the outer drum body:

http://www.espares.co.uk/product/es4...ModelId=435982


and take the whole machine to bits to replace it! Good idea or not?

The pros: the machine is dual-fill, which is difficult to find these
days. The machine has proved sturdy and reasonably reliable. The machine
was made in the UK which is difficult to find these days (Ebac have just
started making in the UK but they don't make washer dyers and their
products are not available until September, anyway)

The cons: half a day of messing about, and assuming everything else is
OK inside the machine (I see no reason yet to assume otherwise).

What do you reckon?

Michael

I would suggest that a new machine for three times the price would be a
better buy. You don't know when the next part will fail.


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On 29/07/2016 19:02, wrote:
On Friday, 29 July 2016 15:36:16 UTC+1, Lee wrote:

No one has asked the obvious, do you live in a hard water area? That
could have easily affected internal parts of the machine in a
non-obvious way, which could be sneaking up for a further failure...

Someone's been watching Cashgone ads. I mean Calgon.


NT


I can see why you'd say that, but no I don't mean the obvious like
heater elements or simple blockages.
Over the years I've noticed that heavy scaling seems to make some
types of plastic and some synthetic rubber seals/hoses very brittle.

On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 11:32:00 +0100, Michael Kilpatrick
wrote:

On 29/07/2016 10:55, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:36:53 +0100, Michael Kilpatrick
wrote:

Hello all,

well, here's a dilemma...

The plastic drum outer body on our washing machine - a 16-year old
Hotpoint WD62 washer-dryer - scracked the other day. Not sure why, but
it went bang and started leaking water, and opeeed it up and saw a
massive crack on the side.

That would be the question I would want to answer first, 'why'?

Above the water line but obviously it
sploshes out when the mahine is spinning.

You can get some silicone based adhesives that can even work on wet
surfaces. ;-)

I tried that, as I happened to have some. Unfortunately, because plastic
things like this tend to have stresses inside them such that when the
crack they distort, the crack opened up further after I had applied this
sealant liberally. There's no way of pushing it back into shape.

Understood.

It also appears that there is very little gap between the metal drum and
this outer body, and there appears to be a piece of the plastic inside,
I think, which caught and made matters worse when I tested it with the
sealant.

Ok.

I think I will quickly try and look inside - taking the inner drum out -
before I order a new body this afternoon.

When we cut though what could have been a rubber sealed joint between
the two drum halves (welded to save the cost of the seal and 8 screws)
and went to re-join them we found that even the saw cut removed
sufficient material that the *length* of the steel drum was now too
much for the inside of the plastic tub assembly.

So we spaced the halves apart with some thick stainless washers,
replaced whatever the seal might have been with some neoprene round
section strip and backed it up with the aforementioned 'super
silicone'. Bolted it all up and it never leaked or moved, even when
the bearings finally failed 7-8 years later.

Nothing to do with your scenario, just to say that you can often fix
these things even when the odds are against you. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Need to consider the risk and effects of a flood caused by a failure.

On 7/29/2016 10:36 AM, Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
Hello all,

well, here's a dilemma...

The plastic drum outer body on our washing machine - a 16-year old
Hotpoint WD62 washer-dryer -

What do you reckon?

Michael

It can be a never ending issues.

I had a cracked spider casting on the back of a Hotpoint drum ....
bought new one ... many hours of fun replacing it.
The door seal went, then the dampers, then pump, motor brushes, then
programmer .... at that point scrapped it.
You can start down a never ending path of patches ........ once they are
past 15 years point, in my book not worth the effort.

Well, you can call me mad, but I'm trying it. It took a *long* time
yesterday to dismantle the machine carefully.

I've just put the drum back in the new body, which arrived this morning
from Partmaster.co.uk with new bearings etc....

Bleargh.....


I've found two mysterious pieces of metal which came in the box with the
new outer drum and bearings (plus a seal for the drain bit).

These two pieces of metal are nothing I saw when taking the machine
apart. I wonder what they are, and whether they are the two bits of
mangled metal I found that somehow ended up between the drum and the
outer drum, causing the damage. I need to see if I can find a complete
assembly diagram online.

One of the pieces looks a *bit* like a piece of metal attached to the
heater element, but not quite. Strange.

Michael

Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
Well, you can call me mad,

If you insist. You're mad. ;-)

Tim


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On 30/07/2016 11:53, Tim+ wrote:
Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
Well, you can call me mad,

If you insist. You're mad. ;-)



Oi! Just because I invite you to....


Hmmm, this piece of metal, the "deflector" came with the drum and I
don't know where it goes:

http://www.espares.co.uk/product/es4...ModelId=435980


The other piece is a spare element bracket which isn't the same as the
one on the old element:

http://www.espares.co.uk/product/es5...ModelId=435980

So I'm non the wiser if the too bits of mangled metal (scrunched up and
unrecognisable) that caused the damage were part of the machine or were
introduced via the dispenser tray somehow!


Michael

On 7/29/2016 4:26 PM, Capitol wrote:
newshound wrote:
On 7/29/2016 10:36 AM, Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
Hello all,

well, here's a dilemma...

The plastic drum outer body on our washing machine - a 16-year old
Hotpoint WD62 washer-dryer - scracked the other day. Not sure why, but
it went bang and started leaking water, and opeeed it up and saw a
massive crack on the side. Above the water line but obviously it
sploshes out when the mahine is spinning.

This is machine has otherwise lasted very well. I've only just changed
the motor brushes but the drum bearing has never seemed to need
changing.

I've just discovered that I could buy the outer drum body:

http://www.espares.co.uk/product/es4...ModelId=435982



and take the whole machine to bits to replace it! Good idea or not?

The pros: the machine is dual-fill, which is difficult to find these
days. The machine has proved sturdy and reasonably reliable. The machine
was made in the UK which is difficult to find these days (Ebac have just
started making in the UK but they don't make washer dyers and their
products are not available until September, anyway)

The cons: half a day of messing about, and assuming everything else is
OK inside the machine (I see no reason yet to assume otherwise).

What do you reckon?

Michael

Depending on the location of the crack, and whether or not it looks
like it is going to propagate, might it be repairable? Presumably an
axial crack, so a "bandage" using something like Sylglas / Denso tape
might help to keep it closed, and also provide sealing. Perhaps
difficult to bandage all the way around, but you could bind the drum
with something like string (for strength) and then just tape over the
crack area. Bear in mind that the outer drum is (probably) structural,
i.e. it supports the bearings and inner drum, as well as seeing the
tension from the drive belt.

It's a washer dryer with wide temperature variations. Replace the
drum to avoid repeated repair failures.

Agreed. Missed the dryer part (it's only described as a WM in the header).

On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 08:24:17 GMT, DerbyBorn
wrote:





Need to consider the risk and effects of a flood caused by a failure.


Wouldn't that apply to any such appliance in any case?

Don't these things flood and burn down homes without us ever touching
them?

As with any such things I (I can't answer for anyone else) rigorously
monitor any such repair work straight after doing it and never leave
the thing unattended until it proves itself to be as reliable as any
machine ever can be. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Saturday, 30 July 2016 11:57:27 UTC+1, Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
On 30/07/2016 11:53, Tim+ wrote:
Michael Kilpatrick wrote:
Well, you can call me mad,

If you insist. You're mad. ;-)



Oi! Just because I invite you to....


Hmmm, this piece of metal, the "deflector" came with the drum and I
don't know where it goes:

http://www.espares.co.uk/product/es4...ModelId=435980


The other piece is a spare element bracket which isn't the same as the
one on the old element:

http://www.espares.co.uk/product/es5...ModelId=435980

So I'm non the wiser if the too bits of mangled metal (scrunched up and
unrecognisable) that caused the damage were part of the machine or were
introduced via the dispenser tray somehow!


Michael

It might be a heat deflector to stop the element melting the tub.


NT

On 30/07/2016 23:17, wrote:


It might be a heat deflector to stop the element melting the tub.



Yes, I discovered that...after deciding to put the drum together first
and then eventually noticing, on the old drum, the faint marks where the
two posts for two screws used to be but had ripped off. Pure luck that I
noticed them as there isn't anything obvious about the positioning of
this seemingly trivial piece of metal.

The bits of plastic and the two screws were in the filter basket in the
drain, along with a few other shards of plastic from the damaged outer
drum body.

So, I took the inner drum out of the new body again and fitted the
deflector, working out now where it went.

I've damaged the hub seal so I need to wait for a new one.


Michael

/Is the washing pile growing?

In article ,
Lee writes:
On 29/07/2016 19:02, wrote:
On Friday, 29 July 2016 15:36:16 UTC+1, Lee wrote:

No one has asked the obvious, do you live in a hard water area? That
could have easily affected internal parts of the machine in a
non-obvious way, which could be sneaking up for a further failure...

Someone's been watching Cashgone ads. I mean Calgon.


NT


I can see why you'd say that, but no I don't mean the obvious like
heater elements or simple blockages.
Over the years I've noticed that heavy scaling seems to make some
types of plastic and some synthetic rubber seals/hoses very brittle.

Most people wash at 45C or cooler. No scale drops out at these
temperatures. I occasionally do 60C washes in a hard water area,
and that doesn't result in any build-up either.

Some descalers make some plastics go brittle.

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