The EU referendum according to an expert:

before : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y

after : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dosmKwrAbI

On 01/07/16 17:16, Bob Martin wrote:
The EU referendum according to an expert:

before : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y

after : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dosmKwrAbI


No, not that expert - try this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hNzbDP9ll4

--
Adrian C

On Fri, 01 Jul 2016 17:16:55 BST, Bob Martin
wrote:


The EU referendum according to an expert:

before : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y

after : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dosmKwrAbI


Very interesting and pretty well exactly what this 'non-political'
observer and many others who didn't believe any of what the
Brexit-and-run Kamikaze propaganda squad tried (and did to a 4%
extent) push onto the great unwashed thought was the case.

Are there any of the Brexit lies\\\\promises still left, of have they
all been rescinded now (the last being GO's recovery plan).

I think the referendum result should be just made void for obvious
reasons, after all, Farage was going to do the same (if it didn't go
his way) but for different (and less ethical) reasons.

Cheers, T i m

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
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The EU referendum according to an expert:

before : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y

after : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dosmKwrAbI

Just another bull**** artist/****wit academic/sore loser.

The remain campaign had just as much flagrant dishonesty
as the leave campaign, particularly with the stupid claims that
the British economy would be destroyed and severely damaged.

He's a terminal ****wit when he claims that the entire British
legal system has to be redone from scratch now that Britain
is leaving the EU. No surprise that he wants to be involved
in doing that.

In article ,
Jacky Chance wrote:


"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...

The EU referendum according to an expert:

before : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y

after : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dosmKwrAbI

Just another bull**** artist/****wit academic/sore loser.

The remain campaign had just as much flagrant dishonesty
as the leave campaign, particularly with the stupid claims that
the British economy would be destroyed and severely damaged.

There's plenty of time for that to happen - it isn't going to be instant.

He's a terminal ****wit when he claims that the entire British
legal system has to be redone from scratch now that Britain
is leaving the EU. No surprise that he wants to be involved
in doing that.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

In article ,
Jacky Chance wrote:
The remain campaign had just as much flagrant dishonesty
as the leave campaign, particularly with the stupid claims that
the British economy would be destroyed and severely damaged.

Your crystal ball is working overtime - again. Just how the UK economy
does in the future depends on what trade deals we can make and so on. And
they ain't going to happen overnight.

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in 1502985 20160702 082739 "Jacky Chance" wrote:
"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...

The EU referendum according to an expert:

before : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y

after : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dosmKwrAbI

Just another bull**** artist/****wit academic/sore loser.

The remain campaign had just as much flagrant dishonesty
as the leave campaign, particularly with the stupid claims that
the British economy would be destroyed and severely damaged.

He's a terminal ****wit when he claims that the entire British
legal system has to be redone from scratch now that Britain
is leaving the EU. No surprise that he wants to be involved
in doing that.

You are Michael Gove AICMFP

charles posted
In article ,
Jacky Chance wrote:


"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...

The EU referendum according to an expert:

before : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y

after : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dosmKwrAbI

Just another bull**** artist/****wit academic/sore loser.

The remain campaign had just as much flagrant dishonesty
as the leave campaign, particularly with the stupid claims that
the British economy would be destroyed and severely damaged.

There's plenty of time for that to happen - it isn't going to be instant.

Plenty of time for it not to happen too.

You aren't allowed to cite hypothetical future events as evidence for
your opinion.

--
Les

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Jacky Chance wrote:


"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...

The EU referendum according to an expert:

before : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y

after : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dosmKwrAbI

Just another bull**** artist/****wit academic/sore loser.

The remain campaign had just as much flagrant dishonesty
as the leave campaign, particularly with the stupid claims that
the British economy would be destroyed and severely damaged.

There's plenty of time for that to happen - it isn't going to be instant.

It isn't going to happen. If the economy handled the worst recession
since the Great Depression and ended up with one of the lowest
unemployment rates of the majors in europe anyway, it isn't going
to be destroyed or even severely damaged by leaving the EU.

He's a terminal ****wit when he claims that the entire British
legal system has to be redone from scratch now that Britain
is leaving the EU. No surprise that he wants to be involved
in doing that.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Jacky Chance wrote:
The remain campaign had just as much flagrant dishonesty
as the leave campaign, particularly with the stupid claims that
the British economy would be destroyed and severely damaged.

Your crystal ball is working overtime - again.

Don’t need any crystal ball to see that Britain handled the worst
recession since the Great Depression quite well and ended up with
one of the lowest unemployment rates of the majors in europe anyway.

Just how the UK economy does in the future depends
on what trade deals we can make and so on.

No it does not. All of the USA, Japan, Korea, China, India,
Canada, Australia etc etc etc all trade under the WTO rules
fine and so can Britain outside the EU.

And they ain't going to happen overnight.

They will in fact happen much quicker with just Britain
involved rather than with 28 countries which all have
a veto on any detail when its done by the EU.

In article ,
Jacky Chance wrote:
Just how the UK economy does in the future depends
on what trade deals we can make and so on.

No it does not. All of the USA, Japan, Korea, China, India,
Canada, Australia etc etc etc all trade under the WTO rules
fine and so can Britain outside the EU.

Since that is obviously a perfect way of trading, you'd perhaps explain
just why your own country is negotiating a different deal with its
neighbours? And the USA with its?

Assuming you have clue about what is happening in your own country - which
is unlikely given you spend all your time on here.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Jacky Chance wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

Just how the UK economy does in the future depends
on what trade deals we can make and so on.

No it does not. All of the USA, Japan, Korea, China, India,
Canada, Australia etc etc etc all trade under the WTO rules
fine and so can Britain outside the EU.

Since that is obviously a perfect way of trading,

Even sillier than you usually manage.

you'd perhaps explain just why your own country is negotiating
a different deal with its neighbours? And the USA with its?

Because a trade agreement has some advantages.

But that is irrelevant to you stupid claim right at the top.

reams of your signature desperate attempt at insults that
any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs

On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 11:21:32 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Just how the UK economy does in the future depends on what trade
deals we can make and so on.

No it does not. All of the USA, Japan, Korea, China, India,
Canada, Australia etc etc etc all trade under the WTO rules fine and so
can Britain outside the EU.

Since that is obviously a perfect way of trading, you'd perhaps explain
just why your own country is negotiating a different deal with its
neighbours? And the USA with its?

Or, indeed, why the US is putting so much time and energy into the TPP
and TTIP?

In article ,
Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 11:21:32 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Just how the UK economy does in the future depends on what trade
deals we can make and so on.

No it does not. All of the USA, Japan, Korea, China, India, Canada,
Australia etc etc etc all trade under the WTO rules fine and so can
Britain outside the EU.

Since that is obviously a perfect way of trading, you'd perhaps explain
just why your own country is negotiating a different deal with its
neighbours? And the USA with its?

Or, indeed, why the US is putting so much time and energy into the TPP
and TTIP?

I'd have thought even Wodney might have realised why.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 11:21:32 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Just how the UK economy does in the future depends on what trade
deals we can make and so on.

No it does not. All of the USA, Japan, Korea, China, India,
Canada, Australia etc etc etc all trade under the WTO rules fine and so
can Britain outside the EU.

Since that is obviously a perfect way of trading, you'd perhaps explain
just why your own country is negotiating a different deal with its
neighbours? And the USA with its?

Or, indeed, why the US is putting so much time and energy into the TPP
and TTIP?

Because it wants other things, multinational corps being able to monster
govts on policy. And they aren't going to get that with the EU, because
every single country has a veto.

In article , Adrian
writes
On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 11:21:32 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Just how the UK economy does in the future depends on what trade
deals we can make and so on.

No it does not. All of the USA, Japan, Korea, China, India,
Canada, Australia etc etc etc all trade under the WTO rules fine and so
can Britain outside the EU.

Since that is obviously a perfect way of trading, you'd perhaps explain
just why your own country is negotiating a different deal with its
neighbours? And the USA with its?

Or, indeed, why the US is putting so much time and energy into the TPP
and TTIP?
Except that the US and EU have come to an impasse on TTIP and it is
effectively stalled.
--
bert

On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 21:05:48 +0100, bert wrote:

In article , Adrian
writes
On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 11:21:32 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Just how the UK economy does in the future depends on what trade
deals we can make and so on.

No it does not. All of the USA, Japan, Korea, China, India,
Canada, Australia etc etc etc all trade under the WTO rules fine and so
can Britain outside the EU.

Since that is obviously a perfect way of trading, you'd perhaps explain
just why your own country is negotiating a different deal with its
neighbours? And the USA with its?

Or, indeed, why the US is putting so much time and energy into the TPP
and TTIP?


Except that the US and EU have come to an impasse on TTIP and it is
effectively stalled.

Is there a single fact / point that the Brexiteers can still claim as
valid?

Cheers, T i m

T i m wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 21:05:48 +0100, wrote:


In ,
writes

On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 11:21:32 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


Just how the UK economy does in the future depends on what trade
deals we can make and so on.


No it does not. All of the USA, Japan, Korea, China, India,
Canada, Australia etc etc etc all trade under the WTO rules fine and so
can Britain outside the EU.


Since that is obviously a perfect way of trading, you'd perhaps explain
just why your own country is negotiating a different deal with its
neighbours? And the USA with its?

Or, indeed, why the US is putting so much time and energy into the TPP
and TTIP?



Except that the US and EU have come to an impasse on TTIP and it is
effectively stalled.

Is there a single fact / point that the Brexiteers can still claim as
valid?

Cheers, T i m



Yes, we won. Live with it!

"T i m" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 21:05:48 +0100, bert wrote:

In article , Adrian
writes
On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 11:21:32 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Just how the UK economy does in the future depends on what trade
deals we can make and so on.

No it does not. All of the USA, Japan, Korea, China, India,
Canada, Australia etc etc etc all trade under the WTO rules fine and
so
can Britain outside the EU.

Since that is obviously a perfect way of trading, you'd perhaps explain
just why your own country is negotiating a different deal with its
neighbours? And the USA with its?

Or, indeed, why the US is putting so much time and energy into the TPP
and TTIP?


Except that the US and EU have come to an impasse on TTIP and it is
effectively stalled.

Is there a single fact / point that the Brexiteers can still claim as
valid?

Yep, Britain gets to do decide what it does policy wise when outside the EU.

Britain is free to have the same controls on EU immigration as it has with
the
rest of the world when outside the EU as long as it isnt actually stupid
enough
to negotiate that away to get a trade agreement with the EU and since
neither
Israel nor Korea did that, there is no reason why Britain can't do that
either.

Britain is free to trade under the WTO rules when out of the EU, just like
all of
the USA, Japan, India, China, Australia, Canada etc etc etc all do fine
right now.

On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 21:05:48 +0100, bert wrote:

Just how the UK economy does in the future depends on what trade
deals we can make and so on.

No it does not. All of the USA, Japan, Korea, China, India,
Canada, Australia etc etc etc all trade under the WTO rules fine and
so can Britain outside the EU.

Since that is obviously a perfect way of trading, you'd perhaps
explain just why your own country is negotiating a different deal with
its neighbours? And the USA with its?

Or, indeed, why the US is putting so much time and energy into the TPP
and TTIP?

Except that the US and EU have come to an impasse on TTIP and it is
effectively stalled.

Umm, round 14 of the negotiations is scheduled to start on the 11th.
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-...p/index_en.htm

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 21:05:48 +0100, bert wrote:

Just how the UK economy does in the future depends on what trade
deals we can make and so on.

No it does not. All of the USA, Japan, Korea, China, India,
Canada, Australia etc etc etc all trade under the WTO rules fine and
so can Britain outside the EU.

Since that is obviously a perfect way of trading, you'd perhaps
explain just why your own country is negotiating a different deal with
its neighbours? And the USA with its?

Or, indeed, why the US is putting so much time and energy into the TPP
and TTIP?

Except that the US and EU have come to an impasse on TTIP and it is
effectively stalled.

Umm, round 14 of the negotiations is scheduled to start on the 11th.
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-...p/index_en.htm

Bet it goes nowhere until it is clear who the new US Prez
is and neither Trump nor Hitlary show any interest in it.

On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 22:49:05 +0100, T i m wrote:

Is there a single fact / point that the Brexiteers can still claim as
valid?

Cheers, T i m

Naw, better have a referendum re-run. I could use a good laugh! ;-

In article ,
Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 21:05:48 +0100, bert wrote:

Just how the UK economy does in the future depends on what trade
deals we can make and so on.

No it does not. All of the USA, Japan, Korea, China, India,
Canada, Australia etc etc etc all trade under the WTO rules fine and
so can Britain outside the EU.

Since that is obviously a perfect way of trading, you'd perhaps
explain just why your own country is negotiating a different deal with
its neighbours? And the USA with its?

Or, indeed, why the US is putting so much time and energy into the TPP
and TTIP?

Except that the US and EU have come to an impasse on TTIP and it is
effectively stalled.

Umm, round 14 of the negotiations is scheduled to start on the 11th.
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-...p/index_en.htm

I do wonder how many of those on here who are passionate leavers will live
long enough to see all these trades agreements between the UK and the rest
of the world sorted. That they promised would replace the one we have
(had) with the EU.

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"pamela" wrote in message
...
On 08:27 2 Jul 2016, Jacky Chance wrote:



"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...

The EU referendum according to an expert:

before : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y

after : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dosmKwrAbI

Just another bull**** artist/****wit academic/sore loser.

The remain campaign had just as much flagrant dishonesty
as the leave campaign, particularly with the stupid claims that
the British economy would be destroyed and severely damaged.

He's a terminal ****wit when he claims that the entire British
legal system has to be redone from scratch now that Britain
is leaving the EU. No surprise that he wants to be involved
in doing that.

If that's you, Rod, then why do you change your posting name?

Because some stupid children in here do the usual childish stunt
of putting their fingers in their ears, close their eyes and chant
'nyah, nyah, can't hear ya'

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 21:05:48 +0100, bert wrote:

Just how the UK economy does in the future depends on what trade
deals we can make and so on.

No it does not. All of the USA, Japan, Korea, China, India,
Canada, Australia etc etc etc all trade under the WTO rules fine and
so can Britain outside the EU.

Since that is obviously a perfect way of trading, you'd perhaps
explain just why your own country is negotiating a different deal
with
its neighbours? And the USA with its?

Or, indeed, why the US is putting so much time and energy into the TPP
and TTIP?

Except that the US and EU have come to an impasse on TTIP and it is
effectively stalled.

Umm, round 14 of the negotiations is scheduled to start on the 11th.
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-...p/index_en.htm

I do wonder how many of those on here who are passionate leavers will live
long enough to see all these trades agreements between the UK and the rest
of the world sorted.

That they promised would replace the one we have (had) with the EU.

More of your pathological lying, Pinocchio.

"pamela" wrote in message
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On 10:36 4 Jul 2016, Rod Speed wrote:



"pamela" wrote in message
...
On 08:27 2 Jul 2016, Jacky Chance wrote:



"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...

The EU referendum according to an expert:

before : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y

after : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dosmKwrAbI

Just another bull**** artist/****wit academic/sore loser.

The remain campaign had just as much flagrant dishonesty as
the leave campaign, particularly with the stupid claims that
the British economy would be destroyed and severely damaged.

He's a terminal ****wit when he claims that the entire British
legal system has to be redone from scratch now that Britain
is leaving the EU. No surprise that he wants to be involved
in doing that.

If that's you, Rod, then why do you change your posting name?

Because some stupid children in here do the usual childish stunt
of putting their fingers in their ears, close their eyes and
chant 'nyah, nyah, can't hear ya'

If people didn't want to read my posts then I wouldn't care.

Your problem.

I don't see much point in tricking someone into reading my stuff.

It isnt tricking anyone, just short circuiting their childish stunt.

In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
If people didn't want to read my posts then I wouldn't care.

Your problem.

Not a problem at all. The view of any normal person.

I don't see much point in tricking someone into reading my stuff.

It isnt tricking anyone, just short circuiting their childish stunt.

And such an obvious way only a cretin would think it succeeds.

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In article ,
pamela wrote:
It isnt tricking anyone, just short circuiting their childish
stunt.

And such an obvious way only a cretin would think it succeeds.

If someone isn't interested in what you say then they aren't going to
change their mind if you manage to trick them into opening your
message by changing your name.

True. But it is Wodney. ;-)

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Dave Plowman London SW
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pamela wrote
Rod Speed wrote
pamela wrote

I don't see much point in tricking someone into reading my stuff.

It isn't tricking anyone, just short circuiting their childish stunt.

If someone isn't interested in what you say
then they aren't going to change their mind

It isn't about changing anyone's mind. People like the turnip or
lefty**** Dave don’t ever do that based on anyone's usenet post.

if you manage to trick them into opening
your message by changing your name.