Ok who can explain this .

http://www.which.co.uk/


Considering we are or were in the EU but the US isn't

[email I recived from which )

VW has agreed to compensate US customers with payouts of up to £7,514.. But there are still no plans to compensate its UK customers.

Last year, VW came under fire for using software that rigged fuel emissions tests. It will pay out £11bn to settle the scandal in the US. Most of the money will compensate 482,000 owners of cars with two-litre diesel engines.

It's outrageous that there's still nothing on the table for the 1.2 million UK Volkswagen group owners whose cars were fitted with these notorious devices.

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whisky-dave wrote:
Ok who can explain this .

http://www.which.co.uk/


Considering we are or were in the EU but the US isn't

[email I recived from which )

VW has agreed to compensate US customers with payouts of up to £7,514.
But there are still no plans to compensate its UK customers.

Last year, VW came under fire for using software that rigged fuel
emissions tests. It will pay out £11bn to settle the scandal in the US.
Most of the money will compensate 482,000 owners of cars with two-litre
diesel engines.

It's outrageous that there's still nothing on the table for the 1.2
million UK Volkswagen group owners whose cars were fitted with these
notorious devices.

Why? Did they fail UK emission tests? You've always implied you hate
standards.

And surely it should be those effected by the noxious emissions who should
be compensated anyway - not just those who bought the cars.

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whisky-dave wrote:

Ok who can explain this .

http://www.which.co.uk/


Considering we are or were in the EU but the US isn't

[email I recived from which )

VW has agreed to compensate US customers with payouts of up to £7,514.
But there are still no plans to compensate its UK customers.

Last year, VW came under fire for using software that rigged fuel
emissions tests. It will pay out £11bn to settle the scandal in the US.
Most of the money will compensate 482,000 owners of cars with two-litre
diesel engines.

It's outrageous that there's still nothing on the table for the 1.2
million UK Volkswagen group owners whose cars were fitted with these
notorious devices.

What financial loss did VW owners suffer that merits compensation?
Perhaps if there is a measurable loss of second hand value a tew hundred
poiunds compensation might be justified, but I have no idea if this is
the case.

Liike the Shell compensation, this is really just American piracy,
stealing money from companies because they are not American-owned.



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whisky-dave wrote:

Ok who can explain this .

http://www.which.co.uk/


Considering we are or were in the EU but the US isn't

[email I recived from which )

VW has agreed to compensate US customers with payouts of up to £7,514.
But there are still no plans to compensate its UK customers.

Last year, VW came under fire for using software that rigged fuel
emissions tests. It will pay out £11bn to settle the scandal in the US.
Most of the money will compensate 482,000 owners of cars with two-litre
diesel engines.

It's outrageous that there's still nothing on the table for the 1.2
million UK Volkswagen group owners whose cars were fitted with these
notorious devices.

What financial loss did VW owners suffer that merits compensation?
Perhaps if there is a measurable loss of second hand value a tew hundred
poiunds compensation might be justified, but I have no idea if this is
the case.

They will suffer loss of second hand value because people will think "I
don't want one of those". Also if they have the cars modified to make them
less polluting (as they will have to in order to pass the US emissions test
in their equivalent of the MOT) then the cars will use more fuel which will
make them more expensive to run, and I think it also makes the car have
poorer acceleration.

In other words, the owner has not got the car that he chose, test-drove and
paid for, and all aspects of that need to be compensated for.

NY wrote:
"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
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whisky-dave wrote:

Ok who can explain this .

http://www.which.co.uk/


Considering we are or were in the EU but the US isn't

[email I recived from which )

VW has agreed to compensate US customers with payouts of up to £7,514.
But there are still no plans to compensate its UK customers.

Last year, VW came under fire for using software that rigged fuel
emissions tests. It will pay out £11bn to settle the scandal in the US.
Most of the money will compensate 482,000 owners of cars with two-litre
diesel engines.

It's outrageous that there's still nothing on the table for the 1.2
million UK Volkswagen group owners whose cars were fitted with these
notorious devices.

What financial loss did VW owners suffer that merits compensation?
Perhaps if there is a measurable loss of second hand value a tew hundred
poiunds compensation might be justified, but I have no idea if this is
the case.

They will suffer loss of second hand value because people will think "I
don't want one of those". Also if they have the cars modified to make them
less polluting (as they will have to in order to pass the US emissions test
in their equivalent of the MOT) then the cars will use more fuel which will
make them more expensive to run, and I think it also makes the car have
poorer acceleration.

In other words, the owner has not got the car that he chose, test-drove and
paid for, and all aspects of that need to be compensated for.



I think there was a significant difference in the way that VWs were
marketed in the US compared to Europe.

In the US the cleanliness of the engine was strongly emphasised to make it
more appealing to a rather diesel-shy market. This wasn't the case in
Europe where economy has been the major selling point.

I think this is why VW is having to pay out so much more in the US.

Tim

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whisky-dave wrote

Ok who can explain this .

Trivial to explain, the US authoritys can **** over
VW very comprehensively indeed and it was the
US emission standards that were flouted by VW.

Its also got far more lawyers prepared to sue the ****
out of operations like VW with no up front free from
the car owner, just most of what VW ends up paying.

http://www.which.co.uk/

Considering we are or were in the EU but the US isn't

Still are for now.

[email I recived from which )

VW has agreed to compensate US customers with payouts of up to
£7,514. But there are still no plans to compensate its UK customers.

Last year, VW came under fire for using software that rigged fuel
emissions tests. It will pay out £11bn to settle the scandal in the
US. Most of the money will compensate 482,000 owners of cars
with two-litre diesel engines.

It's outrageous that there's still nothing on the table for the 1.2
million UK
Volkswagen group owners whose cars were fitted with these notorious
devices.

Then do the decent thing and set fire to yourself outside VW HQ or sumfing.

Yes I always thought this scandal was manufactured. Look at the heaps of
junk still on the road at the moment. the VWs and others are better, just
not as good as they are supposed to be.
companies have always made things that look good in tests, take hi fi amps
in the 1970s. Their harmonic distortion figures were almost unmeasurable
but when listened to some models sounded good and others did not merely
because THD had been optimised at the expense of dynamic and feedback based
performance. Intermodulation, Strange frequency dependent internal
feedback circuits to cheat on thd peaks etc etc.

OK so hi fi is not as expensive as a vehicle, but they were in effect just
showing how useless specs are. You simply cannot make engines that are clean
at all points on the performance curves. You can tweak the software to keep
emissions down over the full range, but you end up compromising efficiency
or power.
Brian

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In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
Ok who can explain this .

http://www.which.co.uk/


Considering we are or were in the EU but the US isn't

[email I recived from which )

VW has agreed to compensate US customers with payouts of up to £7,514.
But there are still no plans to compensate its UK customers.

Last year, VW came under fire for using software that rigged fuel
emissions tests. It will pay out £11bn to settle the scandal in the US.
Most of the money will compensate 482,000 owners of cars with two-litre
diesel engines.

It's outrageous that there's still nothing on the table for the 1.2
million UK Volkswagen group owners whose cars were fitted with these
notorious devices.

Why? Did they fail UK emission tests? You've always implied you hate
standards.

And surely it should be those effected by the noxious emissions who should
be compensated anyway - not just those who bought the cars.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 01/07/16 21:05, Tim+ wrote:
I think there was a significant difference in the way that VWs were
marketed in the US compared to Europe.

You mean America isn't part of te EU and subjecty to their regulations?

Surely that means the EU cant trade with them?

Or that VW has to make a completely different care which has we all know
would be impossibly expensive..
/sarc

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or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

On 01/07/2016 15:21, whisky-dave wrote:
Ok who can explain this .

http://www.which.co.uk/


Considering we are or were in the EU but the US isn't

[email I recived from which )

VW has agreed to compensate US customers with payouts of up to £7,514. But there are still no plans to compensate its UK customers.

Last year, VW came under fire for using software that rigged fuel emissions tests. It will pay out £11bn to settle the scandal in the US. Most of the money will compensate 482,000 owners of cars with two-litre diesel engines.

It's outrageous that there's still nothing on the table for the 1.2 million UK Volkswagen group owners whose cars were fitted with these notorious devices.


The problem is brought about by the government bringing in stricter
rules and then not properly checking that cars complied with them. Which
are campaigning for the tests to be improved.


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