The best chance of coming out of this disaster
is for the Labour Party to get a new pro-EU leader
and form an alliance with Cameron tories and with the SNP,
to give a majority in Parliament.

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School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin

En el artículo , Timothy Murphy
escribió:

the Labour Party to get a new pro-EU leader
and form an alliance with Cameron tories and with the SNP,
to give a majority in Parliament.

Oink, flap.

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On Wednesday, 29 June 2016 12:30:28 UTC+1, Timothy Murphy wrote:
The best chance of coming out of this disaster
is for the Labour Party to get a new pro-EU leader
and form an alliance with Cameron tories and with the SNP,
to give a majority in Parliament.

Bollix.
The best solution for the Labour party is to keep Corbyn and become pro-LEXIT.
That's what the people that voted for him wanted.

But we all know they are too brain dead for that.
Too busy looking at their own navels.

That won't happen we in this country are incapable of agreeing on anything.
I have to say, the EU are in fact not being mean, just careful not to
suggest things that might fall through at the last moment cos if they did,
then the markets would go bonkers again and throw their toys out of the
pram, so its care and diplomacy until we have a functioning government and
hopefully opposition as well. I see Millipede has been shooting is mouth off
again attempting to be conciliatory but sounding patronising instead.
Brian

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"Timothy Murphy" wrote in message
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The best chance of coming out of this disaster
is for the Labour Party to get a new pro-EU leader
and form an alliance with Cameron tories and with the SNP,
to give a majority in Parliament.

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I did wonder myself. The obvious problem is that the people did not answer
the question using the same parameters that the mps used, they responded to
everything they hate about the eu whether it was their fault or not and
punished, as they thought the politians, shooting the rest of us and
themselves in the foot at the same time.
I can really understand why there is bitterness all around as we aare
coming out not for the right reasons. Boris was mostly talking about the
right things but people listened to Nigel and other emotive scare mongering
and fell for it hook line and sinker. Who knows it might be alright, only
time will tell, but i certainly do not want to be part of fortress britain
myslef.
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 12:30:25 +0100, Timothy Murphy
wrote:

The best chance of coming out of this disaster
is for the Labour Party to get a new pro-EU leader
and form an alliance with Cameron tories and with the SNP,
to give a majority in Parliament.

Er...wake up in Dublin! Before the referendum, the pro-EU members of
parliament outnumbered the Brexit supporters 70% to 30%.
http://tinyurl.com/zvw33ft

How would your suggestion change that? It wouldn't!

Or are you just being sarcastic?

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On 29/06/16 12:30, Timothy Murphy wrote:
The best chance of coming out of this disaster
is for the Labour Party to get a new pro-EU leader
and form an alliance with Cameron tories and with the SNP,
to give a majority in Parliament.

To do what? Subvert democracy?


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logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

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On 29-Jun-16 12:30 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
The best chance of coming out of this disaster
is for the Labour Party to get a new pro-EU leader
and form an alliance with Cameron tories and with the SNP,
to give a majority in Parliament.


That would require a vote of no confidence in HM government first,
followed by a few miracles.

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On 29/06/16 17:54, Nightjar wrote:
On 29-Jun-16 12:30 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
The best chance of coming out of this disaster
is for the Labour Party to get a new pro-EU leader
and form an alliance with Cameron tories and with the SNP,
to give a majority in Parliament.


That would require a vote of no confidence in HM government first,
followed by a few miracles.

The best chance of coming out of this limbo, is simply to throw in a
clause 50 and get teh **** on with it

There is no disaster


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Timothy Murphy wrote

The best chance of coming out of this disaster

It is nothing even remotely like a disaster.

is for the Labour Party to get a new pro-EU leader

Labour is completely irrelevant politically now.

and form an alliance with Cameron tories

Cameron has made it clear that he believes that
the will of the people has to be recognised.

and with the SNP, to give a majority in Parliament.

If they were actually stupid enough to ignore the
referendum result that way, even the most stupid
politician knows what the result would be. The
voters would **** them over very comprehensively
indeed and flush them where they belong politically.

And that would absolutely guarantee a number of UKIP
MP would get elected to Westminster and even Labour
isnt actually stupid enough to do that deliberately.

The voters have spoken, You and your ilk get to like that or lump it.

The best you can hope for is that Boris will actually be stupid enough
to agree to the EU demands to agree to the free movement of EU
citizens into Britain, to continue to pay what Britain currently pays the
EU, and to continue to allow the EU to determine policy in Britain to get
a free trade agreement with the EU. IMO Boris isnt actually that stupid
and if he was, that would guarantee a political future for UKIP who
would campaign to pull the plug on that agreement. Of course they
would have a hell of a problem funding UKIP with no MEPs, but IMO
that wouldn't see the demise of UKIP and it might well see them get
enough MPs in Westminster to see the plug pulled on that new agreement.

On 29/06/2016 15:45, harry wrote:
On Wednesday, 29 June 2016 12:30:28 UTC+1, Timothy Murphy wrote:
The best chance of coming out of this disaster
is for the Labour Party to get a new pro-EU leader
and form an alliance with Cameron tories and with the SNP,
to give a majority in Parliament.

Bollix.
The best solution for the Labour party is to keep Corbyn and become pro-LEXIT.
That's what the people that voted for him wanted.

But we all know they are too brain dead for that.
Too busy looking at their own navels.


The leave leaders are admitting brexit will make no significant
difference to immigration so that's you screwed.

All pain, no gain.

Chris Hogg wrote:

The best chance of coming out of this disaster
is for the Labour Party to get a new pro-EU leader
and form an alliance with Cameron tories and with the SNP,
to give a majority in Parliament.

Er...wake up in Dublin! Before the referendum, the pro-EU members of
parliament outnumbered the Brexit supporters 70% to 30%.
http://tinyurl.com/zvw33ft

How would your suggestion change that? It wouldn't!

I don't follow your argument.
Power in the UK rests in the Members of Parliament, not in the government.
Referendums have no place in the UK constitution.
If as you say pro-EU members are in a large majority
then they should vote in accordance with their beliefs.


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gayleard /at/ eircom.net
School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin

In article , Timothy Murphy
writes
Chris Hogg wrote:

The best chance of coming out of this disaster
is for the Labour Party to get a new pro-EU leader
and form an alliance with Cameron tories and with the SNP,
to give a majority in Parliament.

Er...wake up in Dublin! Before the referendum, the pro-EU members of
parliament outnumbered the Brexit supporters 70% to 30%.
http://tinyurl.com/zvw33ft

How would your suggestion change that? It wouldn't!

I don't follow your argument.
Power in the UK rests in the Members of Parliament, not in the government.
Referendums have no place in the UK constitution.
If as you say pro-EU members are in a large majority
then they should vote in accordance with their beliefs.


The referendum was not binding. There is nothing to stop a government
ignoring it other than the wrath of the electorate.
--
bert

bert wrote:

The referendum was not binding. There is nothing to stop a government
ignoring it other than the wrath of the electorate.

As Edmund Burke said:
"Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment;
and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your
opinion."

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Timothy Murphy
gayleard /at/ eircom.net
School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin

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On 29/06/2016 15:45, harry wrote:
On Wednesday, 29 June 2016 12:30:28 UTC+1, Timothy Murphy wrote:
The best chance of coming out of this disaster
is for the Labour Party to get a new pro-EU leader
and form an alliance with Cameron tories and with the SNP,
to give a majority in Parliament.

Bollix.
The best solution for the Labour party is to keep Corbyn and become
pro-LEXIT.
That's what the people that voted for him wanted.

But we all know they are too brain dead for that.
Too busy looking at their own navels.


The leave leaders are admitting brexit will make no significant difference
to immigration

More of your lies.

so that's you screwed.

Nope, you, as always.

All pain, no gain.

The rolling stone gathers no moss.

"Timothy Murphy" wrote in message
...
Chris Hogg wrote:

The best chance of coming out of this disaster
is for the Labour Party to get a new pro-EU leader
and form an alliance with Cameron tories and with the SNP,
to give a majority in Parliament.

Er...wake up in Dublin! Before the referendum, the pro-EU members of
parliament outnumbered the Brexit supporters 70% to 30%.
http://tinyurl.com/zvw33ft

How would your suggestion change that? It wouldn't!

I don't follow your argument.

No surprises there...

Power in the UK rests in the Members of
Parliament, not in the government.

Irrelevant to whether your hare brained scheme would see any
difference in what the majority of MPs what to see happen.

Referendums have no place in the UK constitution.

Neither does local govt. It happens anyway.

Neither do the EU, Britain is part of that for the moment anyway.

If as you say pro-EU members are in a large majority
then they should vote in accordance with their beliefs.

They arent actually that stupid when they know what the voters
would do to them if they did that after that referendum result.

Timothy Murphy wrote
bert wrote

The referendum was not binding. There is nothing to stop a
government ignoring it other than the wrath of the electorate.

As Edmund Burke said:
"Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment;
and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your
opinion."

And the voters will punish anyone actually stupid enough to ignore
a clear referendum result like this one very severely indeed.

And that isnt an opinion, the referendum result is a fact.

It's easy to see why you lot had a full civil war so recently.

The referendum was binding. There is nothing to stop a government
ignoring it other than the wrath of the electorate.


See what I did there...

It's a gamble by the government now.

On 29/06/16 23:54, bert wrote:
There is nothing to stop a government ignoring it other than the *wrath
of the electorate*

However, that sets a massive precedent doesn't it? It admits that to be
part of the EU you have to abandon democracy.


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On 30/06/16 08:38, Chris Hogg wrote:
But there's nothing to stop the present Parliament from passing a
motion to set aside the Referendum result and prevent Cameron from
triggering Article 50.

Except the country they purport to represent.

Of course that would confirm every single suspicion that everyone had
previously dismissed about a world wide antidemocratic conspiracy of
globalists hell bent on enslaving the little people into a global neo
feudalist society.


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