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bathroom cabinet wiring problem
I'm installing a bathroom cabinet that needs power and more specifically earth. it has demister / LED lights and infra red switch.
The previous wiring (to the old cabinet) passed through the wall behind the cabinet and into the kitchen... spurring off a cooker socket. The new cabinet does not work with this setup, I suspected that the earth wasn't there, but it ive tested with multimeter and the kitchen has 240v testing live / earth. I tested the cabinet was working by wiring a standard plug to it and plugging it into a socket. It does works.... but only when I plug it into through a peripheral device (rodent deterrent from maplin) which has a pass-through socket on it. I though it may have been an RCD detection, and plugged it through an RCD but this didn't work, only the rodent deterrent device. In summary, I'm really confused as to why I can only get the device to work when plugged into / through this rodent deterrent, but nothing else. And how i can move forward. i understand most people will say get an electrician...but i'm looking for an answer about how to do this myself. Any advice or help much appreciated, cheers matt. |
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Matt Jackson Wrote in message:
I'm installing a bathroom cabinet that needs power and more specifically earth. it has demister / LED lights and infra red switch. The previous wiring (to the old cabinet) passed through the wall behind the cabinet and into the kitchen... spurring off a cooker socket. The new cabinet does not work with this setup, I suspected that the earth wasn't there, but it ive tested with multimeter and the kitchen has 240v testing live / earth. I tested the cabinet was working by wiring a standard plug to it and plugging it into a socket. It does works.... but only when I plug it into through a peripheral device (rodent deterrent from maplin) which has a pass-through socket on it. I though it may have been an RCD detection, and plugged it through an RCD but this didn't work, only the rodent deterrent device. In summary, I'm really confused as to why I can only get the device to work when plugged into / through this rodent deterrent, but nothing else. And how i can move forward. i understand most people will say get an electrician...but i'm looking for an answer about how to do this myself. Any advice or help much appreciated, cheers matt. So, just to clarify, there is a fused switched spur unit connecting this to the cooker circuit? Where is this FSU,? In the kitchen? -- %Profound_observation% ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 25/06/2016 18:14, Matt Jackson wrote:
I'm installing a bathroom cabinet that needs power and more specifically earth. it has demister / LED lights and infra red switch. The previous wiring (to the old cabinet) passed through the wall behind the cabinet and into the kitchen... spurring off a cooker socket. The new cabinet does not work with this setup, I suspected that the earth wasn't there, but it ive tested with multimeter and the kitchen has 240v testing live / earth. The presence or otherwise of the earth should not affect whether the thing functions. (not being there, would be a safety issue - but not a functional thing, since there are very few things that depend on an earth to function correctly) I tested the cabinet was working by wiring a standard plug to it and plugging it into a socket. It does works.... but only when I plug it into through a peripheral device (rodent deterrent from maplin) which has a pass-through socket on it. ok, ignore the rodent deterrent and anything further upstream for the moment. You should be able to get it to work on a plug. Now when you connect direct to a socket, is it that the device does not work, or is it that the whole circuit RCD trips and disconnects power to the whole circuit? If the latter, then you have an insulation fault in the cabinet. If the former, then you probably have a lose connection fault in the cabinet. I though it may have been an RCD detection, and plugged it through an RCD but this didn't work, only the rodent deterrent device. Unless you have two very odd faults (like earth transposed with one of the other wires in both the cabinet *and* the rodent device, or perhaps a non standard plug with pins that don;t mate properly with all sockets then you are probably just chasing a co-incidence there. In summary, I'm really confused as to why I can only get the device to work when plugged into / through this rodent deterrent, but nothing else. And how i can move forward. Using your multimeter on a resistance range, can you confirm continuity from the pins of the plug through to the terminals at the other end of the flex in the cabinet? If you can, then try with the flex in different positions. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Matt Jackson wrote:
In summary, I'm really confused as to why I can only get the device to work when plugged into / through this rodent deterrent, but nothing else. And how i can move forward. The cabinet probably has an isolating transformer in it, so chances are anything plugged into the cabinet's socket wouldn't trip an RCD. |
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"Matt Jackson" wrote in message
... I'm installing a bathroom cabinet that needs power and more specifically earth. it has demister / LED lights and infra red switch. The previous wiring (to the old cabinet) passed through the wall behind the cabinet and into the kitchen... spurring off a cooker socket. The new cabinet does not work with this setup, I suspected that the earth wasn't there, but it ive tested with multimeter and the kitchen has 240v testing live / earth. I tested the cabinet was working by wiring a standard plug to it and plugging it into a socket. It does works.... but only when I plug it into through a peripheral device (rodent deterrent from maplin) which has a pass-through socket on it. I though it may have been an RCD detection, and plugged it through an RCD but this didn't work, only the rodent deterrent device. In summary, I'm really confused as to why I can only get the device to work when plugged into / through this rodent deterrent, but nothing else. And how i can move forward. i understand most people will say get an electrician...but i'm looking for an answer about how to do this myself. Any advice or help much appreciated, cheers matt. Maybe your "standard plug" is old and has tarnished pins which don't make very good contact in an old socket? Your rodent deterrent will have a shiny new socket with decent springs. -- Dave W |
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"Dave W" Wrote in message:
"Matt Jackson" wrote in message ... I'm installing a bathroom cabinet that needs power and more specifically earth. it has demister / LED lights and infra red switch. The previous wiring (to the old cabinet) passed through the wall behind the cabinet and into the kitchen... spurring off a cooker socket. The new cabinet does not work with this setup, I suspected that the earth wasn't there, but it ive tested with multimeter and the kitchen has 240v testing live / earth. I tested the cabinet was working by wiring a standard plug to it and plugging it into a socket. It does works.... but only when I plug it into through a peripheral device (rodent deterrent from maplin) which has a pass-through socket on it. I though it may have been an RCD detection, and plugged it through an RCD but this didn't work, only the rodent deterrent device. In summary, I'm really confused as to why I can only get the device to work when plugged into / through this rodent deterrent, but nothing else. And how i can move forward. i understand most people will say get an electrician...but i'm looking for an answer about how to do this myself. Any advice or help much appreciated, cheers matt. Maybe your "standard plug" is old and has tarnished pins which don't make very good contact in an old socket? Your rodent deterrent will have a shiny new socket with decent springs. -- Dave W I have exactly that problem on the right hand side of a dual gang socket in the kitchen, the toaster doesn't work when plugged in directly, but works perfectly when I use what "Big Clive" calls a "Deathdapter" with its slightly non standard size pins. (GIYFif you haven't heard of him or it). I know, I must get round to replacing that socket. -- %Profound_observation% ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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Graham. wrote:
"Dave W" Wrote in message: "Matt Jackson" wrote in message ... I'm installing a bathroom cabinet that needs power and more specifically earth. it has demister / LED lights and infra red switch. The previous wiring (to the old cabinet) passed through the wall behind the cabinet and into the kitchen... spurring off a cooker socket. The new cabinet does not work with this setup, I suspected that the earth wasn't there, but it ive tested with multimeter and the kitchen has 240v testing live / earth. I tested the cabinet was working by wiring a standard plug to it and plugging it into a socket. It does works.... but only when I plug it into through a peripheral device (rodent deterrent from maplin) which has a pass-through socket on it. I though it may have been an RCD detection, and plugged it through an RCD but this didn't work, only the rodent deterrent device. In summary, I'm really confused as to why I can only get the device to work when plugged into / through this rodent deterrent, but nothing else. And how i can move forward. i understand most people will say get an electrician...but i'm looking for an answer about how to do this myself. Any advice or help much appreciated, cheers matt. Maybe your "standard plug" is old and has tarnished pins which don't make very good contact in an old socket? Your rodent deterrent will have a shiny new socket with decent springs. -- Dave W I have exactly that problem on the right hand side of a dual gang socket in the kitchen, the toaster doesn't work when plugged in directly, but works perfectly when I use what "Big Clive" calls a "Deathdapter" with its slightly non standard size pins. (GIYF if you haven't heard of him or it). I know, I must get round to replacing that socket. Is the dual outlet one of those weird ones that does not have the earths linked internally but requires two physical connections? |
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 14:30:02 +1000, F Murtz
wrote: Graham. wrote: "Dave W" Wrote in message: "Matt Jackson" wrote in message ... I'm installing a bathroom cabinet that needs power and more specifically earth. it has demister / LED lights and infra red switch. The previous wiring (to the old cabinet) passed through the wall behind the cabinet and into the kitchen... spurring off a cooker socket. The new cabinet does not work with this setup, I suspected that the earth wasn't there, but it ive tested with multimeter and the kitchen has 240v testing live / earth. I tested the cabinet was working by wiring a standard plug to it and plugging it into a socket. It does works.... but only when I plug it into through a peripheral device (rodent deterrent from maplin) which has a pass-through socket on it. I though it may have been an RCD detection, and plugged it through an RCD but this didn't work, only the rodent deterrent device. In summary, I'm really confused as to why I can only get the device to work when plugged into / through this rodent deterrent, but nothing else. And how i can move forward. i understand most people will say get an electrician...but i'm looking for an answer about how to do this myself. Any advice or help much appreciated, cheers matt. Maybe your "standard plug" is old and has tarnished pins which don't make very good contact in an old socket? Your rodent deterrent will have a shiny new socket with decent springs. -- Dave W I have exactly that problem on the right hand side of a dual gang socket in the kitchen, the toaster doesn't work when plugged in directly, but works perfectly when I use what "Big Clive" calls a "Deathdapter" with its slightly non standard size pins. (GIYF if you haven't heard of him or it). I know, I must get round to replacing that socket. Is the dual outlet one of those weird ones that does not have the earths linked internally but requires two physical connections? I've never seen one like that. Are you saying the L & N have busbars but the earths are separate terminals? -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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On 26/06/2016 14:05, Graham. wrote:
I've never seen one like that. Are you saying the L & N have busbars but the earths are separate terminals? See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoZ1...youtu.be&t=475 -- mailto: news {at} admac {dot] myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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