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It looks as though nearly all the youngsters, that is the people that will be most affected by the referendum, voted to stay in. So loads of old codgers have voted on a major issue that has no effect on them at all and left a mess for the next generation or two. So it would be likely that all that has happened is that the UK will reapply in a few years time when the old codgers have gone and rejoin at but with worse terms. That is assuming there is a UK and not a little England. I can just imagine Scotland going independent and then joining the EU and vetoing England's application. |
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On 25/06/16 10:39, dennis@home wrote:
It looks as though nearly all the youngsters, that is the people that will be most affected by the referendum, voted to stay in. Only through a bigots eyes So loads of old codgers have voted on a major issue that has no effect on them at all and left a mess for the next generation or two. No, So it would be likely that all that has happened is that the UK will reapply in a few years time when the old codgers have gone and rejoin at but with worse terms. No. That is assuming there is a UK and not a little England. I can just imagine Scotland going independent and then joining the EU and vetoing England's application. Yes, Scotland is full of ****s like you. -- Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed. |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 11:24:02 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:
So loads of old codgers have voted on a major issue that has no effect on them at all and left a mess for the next generation or two. Only a **** would talk in these terms, Den. Perhaps you now think you should have organised all the young people to go round the country last week bumping off old people. Then they wouldn't have been able to vote, eh? The figures show that "the young" overwhelming voted to Remain, "the old" to Leave. "The old" harking back to the Great Britain of the 50's and 60's when we had a strong industrial base, lead the world in research and technolgy and had the skills base to build those things. All of which are now a mere shadow of what they were. -- Cheers Dave. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 11:24:02 +0100, Tim Streater wrote: So loads of old codgers have voted on a major issue that has no effect on them at all and left a mess for the next generation or two. Only a **** would talk in these terms, Den. Perhaps you now think you should have organised all the young people to go round the country last week bumping off old people. Then they wouldn't have been able to vote, eh? The figures show that "the young" overwhelming voted to Remain, "the old" to Leave. "The old" harking back to the Great Britain of the 50's and 60's when we had a strong industrial base, lead the world in research and technolgy and had the skills base to build those things. All of which are now a mere shadow of what they were. Much of the skills base now is in the media industries, which are global. This is where the growth is coming from. Leaving the EU will have no effect on this whatsoever. It's rather like the F1 car business, the UK dominates this because the skills base exist. I don't see the EU producing many F1 cars. AIUI even Ferrari have their designers from the UK. |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 10:39:40 +0100, dennis@home
wrote: It looks as though nearly all the youngsters, that is the people that will be most affected by the referendum, voted to stay in. So loads of old codgers have voted on a major issue that has no effect on them at all and left a mess for the next generation or two. So it would be likely that all that has happened is that the UK will reapply in a few years time when the old codgers have gone and rejoin at but with worse terms. That is assuming there is a UK and not a little England. I can just imagine Scotland going independent and then joining the EU and vetoing England's application. I must admit as an "old codger", I did get miffed about EU interference in trivia, although seing some stupid moron being interviewed on the BBC this morning, I realise that there was no thought behind the actions of a lot of the exit mob. The particular cretin involved was a fisherman who was aware that the fish stocks had improved and saw it as his duty to bring all the fish caught home to feed Britain cheaply using the stuff that wasn't allowed to be landed. Obviously he had conservation at heart, he didn't want to throw back the overcatch and have it wasted. Now he hopes he'll be fishing for "overcatch"! There wasn't a very good educational system fifty years back. Further education was a rarity but the gap could be filled with blind patriotism and the knowledge that everywhere outside Britain was populated by Gunga Din's eager and willing to serve. Good luck to the Scot's. I'm sure many will be only too happy for a second bite at the cherry. It'll make for a novel experience, The M6 was always fairly good past Carlisle. The queues of HGV's at customs will be a pain. just like Drogheda used to be [and will be again if NI don't get their act together]. I didn't vote, I didn't feel too strongly either way, but the more I think about it the more horrific the situation seems. The EU did some truly amazing things, and oddly enough I suspect we may be the "sacrificial lamb". Brussels may perhaps start to sit up & take notice of the opinions of those left in. Simply connecting more with the EU population might be a good idea. all I can say is the best of luck and thank God I have an EU botlhole if there are any Irish passports left. At least the Irish will stay the course, their educational system was run by the Christian Brothers. Complete phsycopaths, but they did seem to manage to pass on the ability to recognise which side of the bread was buttered! AB --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 10:39:40 +0100, dennis@home wrote: It looks as though nearly all the youngsters, that is the people that will be most affected by the referendum, voted to stay in. So loads of old codgers have voted on a major issue that has no effect on them at all and left a mess for the next generation or two. So it would be likely that all that has happened is that the UK will reapply in a few years time when the old codgers have gone and rejoin at but with worse terms. That is assuming there is a UK and not a little England. I can just imagine Scotland going independent and then joining the EU and vetoing England's application. I must admit as an "old codger", I did get miffed about EU interference in trivia, although seing some stupid moron being interviewed on the BBC this morning, I realise that there was no thought behind the actions of a lot of the exit mob. The particular cretin involved was a fisherman who was aware that the fish stocks had improved and saw it as his duty to bring all the fish caught home to feed Britain cheaply using the stuff that wasn't allowed to be landed. Obviously he had conservation at heart, he didn't want to throw back the overcatch and have it wasted. Now he hopes he'll be fishing for "overcatch"! There wasn't a very good educational system fifty years back. Further education was a rarity but the gap could be filled with blind patriotism and the knowledge that everywhere outside Britain was populated by Gunga Din's eager and willing to serve. Good luck to the Scot's. I'm sure many will be only too happy for a second bite at the cherry. It'll make for a novel experience, The M6 was always fairly good past Carlisle. It's only been extended past Carlisle in very recnt years. (2008) -- from KT24 in Surrey, England |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 12:14:57 +0100, charles
wrote: In article , Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 10:39:40 +0100, dennis@home wrote: It looks as though nearly all the youngsters, that is the people that will be most affected by the referendum, voted to stay in. So loads of old codgers have voted on a major issue that has no effect on them at all and left a mess for the next generation or two. So it would be likely that all that has happened is that the UK will reapply in a few years time when the old codgers have gone and rejoin at but with worse terms. That is assuming there is a UK and not a little England. I can just imagine Scotland going independent and then joining the EU and vetoing England's application. I must admit as an "old codger", I did get miffed about EU interference in trivia, although seing some stupid moron being interviewed on the BBC this morning, I realise that there was no thought behind the actions of a lot of the exit mob. The particular cretin involved was a fisherman who was aware that the fish stocks had improved and saw it as his duty to bring all the fish caught home to feed Britain cheaply using the stuff that wasn't allowed to be landed. Obviously he had conservation at heart, he didn't want to throw back the overcatch and have it wasted. Now he hopes he'll be fishing for "overcatch"! There wasn't a very good educational system fifty years back. Further education was a rarity but the gap could be filled with blind patriotism and the knowledge that everywhere outside Britain was populated by Gunga Din's eager and willing to serve. Good luck to the Scot's. I'm sure many will be only too happy for a second bite at the cherry. It'll make for a novel experience, The M6 was always fairly good past Carlisle. It's only been extended past Carlisle in very recnt years. (2008) Funny how roads seem to get ingrained into the "system". Afteer a few trips they seem like they have always existed. I could have sworn that I was calling at Asda for the last 11 years or so, although the prcise road details further on are not clear. I do rember roadwork past those two "services" at the north end and they went on for years Still anyone investing in a chip shop, off licence and currency exchange counter will not go too far wrong :-) AB --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 12:29:01 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 12:09:28 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 10:39:40 +0100, dennis@home wrote: I must admit as an "old codger", I did get miffed about EU interference in trivia, although seing some stupid moron being interviewed on the BBC this morning, I realise that there was no thought behind the actions of a lot of the exit mob. The particular cretin involved was a fisherman who was aware that the fish stocks had improved and saw it as his duty to bring all the fish caught home to feed Britain cheaply using the stuff that wasn't allowed to be landed. Obviously he had conservation at heart, he didn't want to throw back the overcatch and have it wasted. Now he hopes he'll be fishing for "overcatch"! Not quite sure what point you're making there, but for information and in case you didn't realise it, overcatch is dead. Once the fish are subject to the traumas of being caught, hauled out of the water and sorted into 'permitted' and 'not permitted', and the latter thrown back, they're dead and only serve as food for the gulls or else they just rot on the sea floor. They don't happily swim away to continue their lives and have lots of babies! At least if the overcatch were brought ashore, it could usefully be sold, even if it were at a knock-down price into the fishmeal fertiliser business. Oh dear! The keyword is "sold". If overcatch has a monetary value then it will be a target, or even if it isn't seen as a direct target whats to stop a boat pulling up tons of undersized or protected fish in the hope of catching one or two of something saleable. It isn't ideal, but if the overcatch is dumped then the skipper will do his best to avoid wasting rescources will he not? If he can't do that and goes out of buisiness, it isn't a problem. The fish will grow, mature and be harvested responsibly and fairly for someone with a more responsible approach. As stated, it isn't ideal but if you want to go back to the way things happened before I have little doubt what the result will be. Fishmongers counters filled with farmed salmon and splodges of processed protein scraped off shellfish. AB. AB --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 25/06/2016 11:44, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 11:24:02 +0100, Tim Streater wrote: So loads of old codgers have voted on a major issue that has no effect on them at all and left a mess for the next generation or two. Only a **** would talk in these terms, Den. Perhaps you now think you should have organised all the young people to go round the country last week bumping off old people. Then they wouldn't have been able to vote, eh? The figures show that "the young" overwhelming voted to Remain, "the old" to Leave. "The old" harking back to the Great Britain of the 50's and 60's when we had a strong industrial base, lead the world in research and technolgy and had the skills base to build those things. All of which are now a mere shadow of what they were. I've yet to see mention of power-cuts this coming winter, says cynical oldster. EDF must be rubbing their hands in glee knowing they can now charge what they like for feeding the sub-manche link with "nuclear" lecky, tenfold increase over the previous stop-gap premium anyone? |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 12:52:22 +0100, N_Cook wrote:
I've yet to see mention of power-cuts this coming winter, says cynical oldster. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36604520 [Gas market specialist Niall Trimble of the Energy Contract Company] "There's the immediate problem that we might not be able to fill it in time for winter. I suspect we might not be able to fill it completely." "Mr Trimble said that if Europe had to endure a cold winter, it might be difficult for the UK to bolster its supplies with gas from the continent." "If stocks look tight, we can try to source more LNG [liquefied natural gas] shipments. But they can take several weeks to arrive," he added." Just ordered 4 dumpy bags of logs... -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 10:39:40 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
I can just imagine Scotland going independent and then joining the EU and vetoing England's application. Wouldn't matter even if they did. Art. 50 doesn't require *all* member states to assent to it. |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 11:44:10 +0100, Dave Liquorice wrote:
The figures show that "the young" overwhelming voted to Remain, "the old" to Leave. I for one voted Leave *in the best interests of* the young people. I'm old enough to remember what life was like pre-EU/CM and I want them to enjoy those same freedoms and opportunities I had. A lot of older people voted OUT for the same reason. We're far from selfish! |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 12:09:28 +0100, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp
wrote: It'll make for a novel experience, The M6 was always fairly good past Carlisle. Once they plugged the "Cumberland Gap" but even now it's only the M6 for about 11 miles from J43 (7 from J44, Carlisle North). -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 13:02:40 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
http://www.davidsedgwick.co.uk/blog/...tory-the-bbcs- young-v-old-narrative That's the BBC, always keen to stir up **** and sow division! |
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On 25/06/16 10:39, dennis@home wrote:
It looks as though nearly all the youngsters, that is the people that will be most affected by the referendum, voted to stay in. So loads of old codgers have voted on a major issue that has no effect on them at all and left a mess for the next generation or two. So it would be likely that all that has happened is that the UK will reapply in a few years time when the old codgers have gone and rejoin at but with worse terms. That is assuming there is a UK and not a little England. I can just imagine Scotland going independent and then joining the EU and vetoing England's application. Personally, I think having voted, we just need to get on with it and start rebuilding the country: https://www.change.org/p/david-camer...ty-immediately Cameron said back on 22nd Feb 2016: "If the British people vote to leave, there is only one way to bring that about, namely to trigger article 50 of the treaties and begin the process of exit, and the British people would rightly expect that to start straight away." So once again, a lie from the mouth of a politician... |
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En el artículo , Tim
Streater escribió: Only a **** would talk in these terms, Den. Actually, for once, I agree with Dennis. (Shock horror! where's my smelling salts?) This referendum result has been to the detriment of younger people. The vote carried out by the older and so-called "wiser" generation has cut future generations off from Europe. My regret is that it's gonna royally **** up what's left of the UK for young people who won't see any future here and will do one to live in other countries while they can, resulting in massively reduced tax revenues in rump-England, Scotland, NI, Gibraltar et al having buggered off. And then what's going to pay for the meagre state pension, benefits and NHS replacement livers, tickers, cancer treatment etc. etc. that the oldies demand as their right? For the record, I'm 50 and semi-retired. -- (\_/) (='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10 (")_(") |
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En el artículo ,
Capitol escribió: Much of the skills base now is in the media industries Ah yes, "meeja studies", the default fallback for those too thick or poorly educated to take a real degree. -- (\_/) (='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10 (")_(") |
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En el artículo , Cursitor Doom
escribió: I for one voted Leave *in the best interests of* the young people. I'm old enough to remember what life was like pre-EU/CM and I want them to enjoy those same freedoms and opportunities I had I lived and worked in Spain for 16 years. That wouldn't have been possible without the EU and the freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU. I now own a house there and have Spanish citizenship. Again, very difficult without the EU. We're far from selfish! Yeah, whatever. -- (\_/) (='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10 (")_(") |
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On 25/06/16 14:40, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Tim Streater escribió: Only a **** would talk in these terms, Den. Actually, for once, I agree with Dennis. (Shock horror! where's my smelling salts?) This referendum result has been to the detriment of younger people. The vote carried out by the older and so-called "wiser" generation has cut future generations off from Europe. You sanctimonious prick! grab a passport and get on the Eurostar. My regret is that it's gonna royally **** up what's left of the UK for young people who won't see any future here and will do one to live in other countries while they can, resulting in massively reduced tax revenues in rump-England, Scotland, NI, Gibraltar et al having buggered off. That already happened years ago under Labour in the 60s and 790s And then what's going to pay for the meagre state pension, benefits and NHS replacement livers, tickers, cancer treatment etc. etc. that the oldies demand as their right? But since its there fault, they dont deserver any do they? For the record, I'm 50 and semi-retired. -- "It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere" |
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On 25/06/16 14:44, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Cursitor Doom escribió: I for one voted Leave *in the best interests of* the young people. I'm old enough to remember what life was like pre-EU/CM and I want them to enjoy those same freedoms and opportunities I had I lived and worked in Spain for 16 years. I worked in S Africa for 3 years Is not in the EU ****. That wouldn't have been possible without the EU and the freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU. Dont be mire of a prat than you need to be I now own a house there and have Spanish citizenship. Again, very difficult without the EU. Typical affluent lefty****. No thought for the poor people who get to retire to a bungalow in Clacton -- A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes. |
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Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , Tim Streater escribió: Only a **** would talk in these terms, Den. Actually, for once, I agree with Dennis. (Shock horror! where's my smelling salts?) This referendum result has been to the detriment of younger people. The vote carried out by the older and so-called "wiser" generation has cut future generations off from Europe. My regret is that it's gonna royally **** up what's left of the UK for young people who won't see any future here and will do one to live in other countries while they can, resulting in massively reduced tax revenues in rump-England, Scotland, NI, Gibraltar et al having buggered off. They'll soon be replaced with the millions of immigrants who are already here and even more to come. And then what's going to pay for the meagre state pension, benefits and NHS replacement livers, tickers, cancer treatment etc. etc. that the oldies demand as their right? For the record, I'm 50 and semi-retired. I'm 51 and working full time. If the youngsters wanted to remain, they should have gone out and voted, but most of them were at festivals....maybe there's a conspiracy theory here - the referendum clashed with the biggest festival weekend of the year, coincidence? Coupled with the fact that London and the SE had torrential rain and thunderstorms on Thursday night, it seems that god himself wanted us to leave |
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On Saturday, 25 June 2016 10:39:44 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
It looks as though nearly all the youngsters, that is the people that will be most affected by the referendum, voted to stay in. So loads of old codgers have voted on a major issue that has no effect on them at all and left a mess for the next generation or two. So it would be likely that all that has happened is that the UK will reapply in a few years time when the old codgers have gone and rejoin at but with worse terms. That is assuming there is a UK and not a little England. I can just imagine Scotland going independent and then joining the EU and vetoing England's application. Hey Den. I just found your problem. It has been identified a while ago. The Dunning-Kruger Effect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin...3Kruger_effect |
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"Tim Watts" wrote in message ... Cameron said back on 22nd Feb 2016: "If the British people vote to leave, there is only one way to bring that about, namely to trigger article 50 of the treaties and begin the process of exit, and the British people would rightly expect that to start straight away." So once again, a lie from the mouth of a politician... Its not a lie at all. What the British people would rightly expect, and what on reflection David Cameron is prepared to do, aren't necessarily the same thing at all. Now if he had said "If the British people vote to leave, there is only one way to bring that about, namely to trigger article 50 of the treaties and begin the process of exit, and I will initiate that process straight away Then that would be a lie. In any case, when he made that statement he fully expected remain to win and to emerge triumphant. Rather than losing and committing political suicide. Under such circumstances people, and not only politicians, may make statements they later come to regret. So if its a choice as it is in Cameron's opinion, between destroying the UK economy or sacrificing some credibility among those like yourself, then IMO Cameron has adopted the honourable course. michael adams .... |
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In message , Archibald
Tarquin Blenkinsopp writes I must admit as an "old codger", I did get miffed about EU interference in trivia, although seing some stupid moron being interviewed on the BBC this morning, I realise that there was no thought behind the actions of a lot of the exit mob. The particular cretin involved was a fisherman who was aware that the fish stocks had improved and saw it as his duty to bring all the fish caught home to feed Britain cheaply using the stuff that wasn't allowed to be landed. I don't know about your moron, but the fairly small boat fishermen round here have one major complaint. They traditionally and effectively managed the stocks themselves until the CFP started to affect them. Since then they complain about huge French trawlers just off the estuary (Dee and Mersey) "scooping up all the fish" and destroying their fishing grounds. As far as I can tell, the number of these small, up to about 40 foot, boats has been in terminal decline and I wouldn't expect any of the men involved would have voted to stay. And I was trying not to get sucked into any of this OT discussion. -- Bill |
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Dave Liquorice wrote: "The old" harking back to the Great Britain of the 50's and 60's when we had a strong industrial base, lead the world in research and technolgy and had the skills base to build those things. All of which are now a mere shadow of what they were. I'm one of those old, Dave. Started work in the early 60s. I didn't vote leave, and neither did the vast majority of my pals of a similar age. But we are all reasonably well heeled, and SE based. The old who voted out are mainly obsessed with immigration. Either through their own experience, or simple fear of it. Fanned by UKIP lies. -- *Since light travels faster than sound, some people appear bright until you hear them speak. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 14:48:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/06/16 14:44, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el artÃ*culo , Cursitor Doom escribió: I for one voted Leave *in the best interests of* the young people. I'm old enough to remember what life was like pre-EU/CM and I want them to enjoy those same freedoms and opportunities I had I lived and worked in Spain for 16 years. I worked in S Africa for 3 years I worked in the US for six & a half years. Is not in the EU Nor is the US. ****. That wouldn't have been possible without the EU and the freedom to live and work anywhere in the EU. I had the freedom to live & work anywhere in the /world/, not just the EU. Dont be mire of a prat than you need to be I now own a house there and have Spanish citizenship. Again, very difficult without the EU. I own a house in the US, no problem, with or without the EU. Typical affluent lefty****. No thought for the poor people who get to retire to a bungalow in Clacton He should mind the door doesn't his his arse when he leaves England. |
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Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: There wasn't a very good educational system fifty years back. Complete ********. Willing to bet the basics were far better taught than today. And that's not the fault of the schools. -- *Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 25/06/2016 10:39, dennis@home wrote:
It looks as though nearly all the youngsters, that is the people that will be most affected by the referendum, voted to stay in. So loads of old codgers have voted on a major issue that has no effect on them at all and left a mess for the next generation or two. You mean the experienced older people saw through the remain bollox and voted out - because the EU was like a tumor growing bigger every day and the young inexperienced gullible voted remain because they fell for the bull****. So it would be likely that all that has happened is that the UK will reapply in a few years time when the old codgers have gone and rejoin at but with worse terms. There won't be an EU to rejoin in a few years. RIP EU. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman |
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"Phil L" wrote in message ... If the youngsters wanted to remain, they should have gone out and voted, The reason they didn't is most likely the reason why Cameron decided to allow a referendum in the first place. They thought the result would be a foregone conclusion for Remain. Which given that they will mainly be mixing with young people like themselves who were all in favour of remain only re-inforced that idea. michael adams .... |
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On 25/06/2016 10:39, dennis@home wrote:
It looks as though nearly all the youngsters, that is the people that will be most affected by the referendum, voted to stay in. So loads of old codgers have voted on a major issue that has no effect on them at all and left a mess for the next generation or two. Or, many older people have voted to leave, knowing that in the short term they may suffer due to any financial upsets, but believing it worth it in the long term for the benefit of their children and grandchildren. While many younger people have known nothing different and fear the unkown of a different way of doing things. So it would be likely that all that has happened is that the UK will reapply in a few years time when the old codgers have gone and rejoin at but with worse terms. Or, when things have had time to settle down, the younger generation amy realise that they are happier with independence. That is assuming there is a UK and not a little England. I can just imagine Scotland going independent and then joining the EU and vetoing England's application. The people of Scotland have a right to their own opinion, but they are a small fraction of the population of the UK (or even of the size of England). England cannot be held hostage to worries about pressure for another Scottish referend from small section of the UK population. In fact, we are lucky, if the decision had been to remain (by a small majority), there would have been huge problems, as then you would have had a majority in the much larger England and Wales voting to leave, but held in by the more pro-EU Scots and Nothern Irish. |
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On 25/06/2016 14:40, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , Tim Streater escribió: Only a **** would talk in these terms, Den. Actually, for once, I agree with Dennis. (Shock horror! where's my smelling salts?) This referendum result has been to the detriment of younger people. The vote carried out by the older and so-called "wiser" generation has cut future generations off from Europe. I would sincerely hope that, in the long term, leaving will actually be of benefit to the young - I certainly hope that for my own children. My regret is that it's gonna royally **** up what's left of the UK for young people who won't see any future here and will do one to live in other countries while they can, resulting in massively reduced tax revenues in rump-England, Scotland, NI, Gibraltar et al having buggered off. What, to the collapsing economies of a number of EU countries? Yes, Germany is doing well, but the rest of the EU? Have you seen their levels of youth unemployment? And then what's going to pay for the meagre state pension, benefits and NHS replacement livers, tickers, cancer treatment etc. etc. that the oldies demand as their right? Or maybe the UK will flourish and the majority will be happy staying and working in the UK. For the record, I'm 50 and semi-retired. I'm 50 in a few months and fully expect to be working full-time and paying taxes for many years. I also hope that my children will gain good qualifications in solid subjects (eldest son has just taken his options and chosen Triple Science, French, History and an extra after school class for Latin). I hope that they will then be set up for a "proper" degree, productive work, lifelong learning and to play their part in society. |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 15:34:52 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: There wasn't a very good educational system fifty years back. Complete ********. Willing to bet the basics were far better taught than today. And that's not the fault of the schools. It was my generation. The quality of teaching was o/k but the opportunities were very limited. I remember being told how fortunate I was in secondary school, the number of pupils taking "o" levels were in single figures out of over a hundred. A "o" level is't exactly mensa admission material BTW. Last time I went back to the same school the entrance was filled with recent graduates photos. The pupills were from the same area/ gene pool, there was nothing wrong with the teaching staff. There was absolutely no opportunity for advancement for most though. I'm afraid it was the system, nothing else! Even if we could rattle off multiplication tables and a few French nouns, the knowledge accumulated wasn't that relevant. Methinks there is something sadly amis when local shops have to use discrete quantities or pounds & ounces this far down the line. Even then sauntering off to Ireland did expose me to characters with an ability to switch from Irish to English and latin. It probably wasn't directly useful, but I know a lot ended up in England after graduation. Likewise while people half my age are kicking up a rumpus because they can't buy their frozen pizzas in pounds and ounces in England, over in Ireland I'll clamber into my hire car [km/ hour] and everything is metric. So much easier. [Copper pipe fittings excepted] I still dont understand why 22mm and 15 mm is the norm here, yet imperial is still used in the republic. There, a DIY angle after all :-) AB --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
Talk about selfish old people..
On 25/06/2016 10:39, dennis@home wrote:
It looks as though nearly all the youngsters, that is the people that will be most affected by the referendum, voted to stay in. So loads of old codgers have voted on a major issue that has no effect on them at all and left a mess for the next generation or two. How does anyone know? Isn't it supposed to be a secret ballot? Since each ballot box will - in general - contain the votes both of old and young people, how does anyone know which is which? [Yes, I know, each one is numbered and *can* be matched to the voter - but that's only supposed to happen in cases of suspected fraud.] Anyway, even if it's true, how do you know that older people voted to leave out of selfish motives? I voted to leave because I truly believe that restoring our sovereignty and some semblance of democracy will genuinely benefit my children's and grand-children's generations long after I've gone. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 14:40:13 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Tim Streater escribió: Only a **** would talk in these terms, Den. Actually, for once, I agree with Dennis. (Shock horror! where's my smelling salts?) +1 -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el , escribió: Much of the skills base now is in the media industries Ah yes, "meeja studies", the default fallback for those too thick or poorly educated to take a real degree. Don't knock it, its generating massive export sales. I agree it's not engineering or science, but it is very profitable and unequalled world wide. It's very similar to the sucess of the Essex currency dealers in the city, definitely cowboys, but money makers for the banks. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In , Archibald Tarquin wrote: There wasn't a very good educational system fifty years back. Complete ********. Willing to bet the basics were far better taught than today. And that's not the fault of the schools. Whose fault is it then? |
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Steve Walker wrote:
On 25/06/2016 14:40, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el artículo , Tim Streater escribió: Only a **** would talk in these terms, Den. Actually, for once, I agree with Dennis. (Shock horror! where's my smelling salts?) This referendum result has been to the detriment of younger people. The vote carried out by the older and so-called "wiser" generation has cut future generations off from Europe. I would sincerely hope that, in the long term, leaving will actually be of benefit to the young - I certainly hope that for my own children. My regret is that it's gonna royally **** up what's left of the UK for young people who won't see any future here and will do one to live in other countries while they can, resulting in massively reduced tax revenues in rump-England, Scotland, NI, Gibraltar et al having buggered off. What, to the collapsing economies of a number of EU countries? Yes, Germany is doing well, but the rest of the EU? Have you seen their levels of youth unemployment? And then what's going to pay for the meagre state pension, benefits and NHS replacement livers, tickers, cancer treatment etc. etc. that the oldies demand as their right? Or maybe the UK will flourish and the majority will be happy staying and working in the UK. For the record, I'm 50 and semi-retired. I'm 50 in a few months and fully expect to be working full-time and paying taxes for many years. I also hope that my children will gain good qualifications in solid subjects (eldest son has just taken his options and chosen Triple Science, French, History and an extra after school class for Latin). I hope that they will then be set up for a "proper" degree, productive work, lifelong learning and to play their part in society. I can't see how French, History and Latin will get anybody a job in everyday life. |
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On 25/06/2016 10:39, dennis@home wrote:
It looks as though nearly all the youngsters, that is the people that will be most affected by the referendum, voted to stay in. Says the pollsters who often get it very wrong. Unless we no longer have a 'secret' vote these days all it can be established is the number who voted for remain or leave. The voting hasn't been broken down into age groups. -- mailto: news {at} admac {dot] myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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En el artículo ,
Capitol escribió: Don't knock it, its generating massive export sales. I agree it's not engineering or science, but it is very profitable and unequalled world wide. I don't doubt it, and I love some of the imaginative stuff the media (in its various forms) comes out with, but surely there's a limit to the number of meeja graduates the world can cope with? If they'd strangle all salesmen, marketers, and spammers at birth the world would be a better place. Private Eye's Ad Nauseam is a good place to start. It's very similar to the sucess of the Essex currency dealers in the city, definitely cowboys, but money makers for the banks. Not really a flattering comparison, is it? :) -- (\_/) (='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10 (")_(") |
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