I've tended to think kippers are evil or mad. This falls into the mad
variety.

A 'Vote to leave' leaflet posted through my door from Gerard Batten, UKIP
MEP for London.

Under 'how much does EU membership cost' :-

'The total combined cost (direct and indirect) have been calculated as
about £190 billion per annum'

That is approximately how much the UK government gets in income tax
revenue per year.

So I've got a new slogan for UKIP.

Vote to leave the EU, and UKIP will abolish income tax.

You just know it makes sense...

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 18:59:50 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I've tended to think kippers are evil or mad. This falls into the mad
variety.

A 'Vote to leave' leaflet posted through my door from Gerard Batten,
UKIP MEP for London.

Under 'how much does EU membership cost' :-

'The total combined cost (direct and indirect) have been calculated as
about £190 billion per annum'

Somebody has their Bs and their Ms confused...

But, hey, it's only a factor of a thousand away from reality.

Better than most of their stuff.

On 12/06/16 19:21, Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 18:59:50 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I've tended to think kippers are evil or mad. This falls into the mad
variety.

A 'Vote to leave' leaflet posted through my door from Gerard Batten,
UKIP MEP for London.

Under 'how much does EU membership cost' :-

'The total combined cost (direct and indirect) have been calculated as
about £190 billion per annum'

Somebody has their Bs and their Ms confused...


Yes, you.

That figure can be justified.

But, hey, it's only a factor of a thousand away from reality.


No, its probably a factor of around 5.

Better than most of their stuff.



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"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."

On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 20:49:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I've tended to think kippers are evil or mad. This falls into the mad
variety.

A 'Vote to leave' leaflet posted through my door from Gerard Batten,
UKIP MEP for London.

Under 'how much does EU membership cost' :-

'The total combined cost (direct and indirect) have been calculated as
about £190 billion per annum'

Somebody has their Bs and their Ms confused...

Yes, you.

That figure can be justified.

Do go on...

But, hey, it's only a factor of a thousand away from reality.

No, its probably a factor of around 5.

Oh, well. There we go, then.

Only a factor of five out. So even you acknowledge that it's exaggerated
by one hundred and sixty billion pounds. £160bn. £160,000,000,000... Or,
to put it another way, one pound in every four and a half quid the
government spends.

On 12/06/16 21:21, Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 20:49:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I've tended to think kippers are evil or mad. This falls into the mad
variety.

A 'Vote to leave' leaflet posted through my door from Gerard Batten,
UKIP MEP for London.

Under 'how much does EU membership cost' :-

'The total combined cost (direct and indirect) have been calculated as
about £190 billion per annum'

Somebody has their Bs and their Ms confused...

Yes, you.

That figure can be justified.

Do go on...

But, hey, it's only a factor of a thousand away from reality.

No, its probably a factor of around 5.

Oh, well. There we go, then.

Only a factor of five out. So even you acknowledge that it's exaggerated
by one hundred and sixty billion pounds. £160bn. £160,000,000,000... Or,
to put it another way, one pound in every four and a half quid the
government spends.

So you admit you lied when you said 1000 times out then?

AS I said, you can argue it many ways, but its not three orders of
magnitude out.

So you lied yet again


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foolish, and by the rulers as useful.

(Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)

On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 21:40:35 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I've tended to think kippers are evil or mad. This falls into the
mad variety.

A 'Vote to leave' leaflet posted through my door from Gerard Batten,
UKIP MEP for London.

Under 'how much does EU membership cost' :-

'The total combined cost (direct and indirect) have been calculated
as about £190 billion per annum'

Somebody has their Bs and their Ms confused...

Yes, you.

That figure can be justified.

Do go on...

But, hey, it's only a factor of a thousand away from reality.

No, its probably a factor of around 5.

Oh, well. There we go, then.

Only a factor of five out. So even you acknowledge that it's
exaggerated by one hundred and sixty billion pounds. £160bn.
£160,000,000,000... Or,
to put it another way, one pound in every four and a half quid the
government spends.

So you admit you lied when you said 1000 times out then?

No, but I did drop a bollock. I'd got the weekly figure in my head
instead of the annual. My apologies.

So that's only a factor of 40 out, then.

AS I said, you can argue it many ways, but its not three orders of
magnitude out.

Indeed. We're actually talking about somewhere a factor of five (your
figure, which you've not yet "justified", and a factor of forty
(documented reality).

Of course, that factor of forty is direct cost. The indirect cost is
impossible to calculate - but there's very strong evidence to suggest
that it's actually indirect benefit, not indirect cost, so taking the
figure further away from the obviously loopy £190bn than the provable
direct figure.

So you lied yet again

I've never lied once. You might disagree with what I've said, but I've
never once lied. OTOH, you've come out with a LOT of things that are very
easily disproved with actual facts.

On 12/06/2016 21:21, Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 20:49:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I've tended to think kippers are evil or mad. This falls into the mad
variety.

A 'Vote to leave' leaflet posted through my door from Gerard Batten,
UKIP MEP for London.

Under 'how much does EU membership cost' :-

'The total combined cost (direct and indirect) have been calculated as
about £190 billion per annum'

Somebody has their Bs and their Ms confused...

Yes, you.

That figure can be justified.

Do go on...

But, hey, it's only a factor of a thousand away from reality.

No, its probably a factor of around 5.

Oh, well. There we go, then.

Only a factor of five out. So even you acknowledge that it's exaggerated
by one hundred and sixty billion pounds. £160bn. £160,000,000,000... Or,
to put it another way, one pound in every four and a half quid the
government spends.


According to Daily Politics, our net contribution of £10 Billion is the
equivalent of a 7% tariff on our exports to the EU. However we have
imported about 3 million from mostly poorer EU countries who either
send money back home, or they start have kids here which means what
ever little tax they pay is massively outweighed by the tax-credits,
housing benefit, free education (£65,000 per child) and free NHS.

So that 7% figure is a conservative estimate. QED we already have
to pay a hefty tariff to access the 'single market'.

Meanwhile, we have exported an army of older and retired people
to Southern Europe and elsewhere, and many of these people have
massive unfunded final salary pensions that still have to be paid
by UK taxpayers. We also *have* to pay their healthcare costs. Last
year the UK taxpayer paid £660 million to EU countries for providing
healthcare to retired UK nationals living in the EU. But we only
collect a tiny fraction of that amount from EU countries for th cost
of 'free' NHS care for EU nationals.

And those UK pensions are boosting the GDP of other EU countries, not
ours. 40 years ago the actuarial calculations relating to pensions
never envisaged the possibility that large numbers of better-off
British people would retire *outside* the UK (depriving us of their
spending power). Some of the windrush generation were assumed to go
back, and that's it.

On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 21:29:35 +0100, Andrew wrote:

According to Daily Politics, our net contribution of £10 Billion

£8.5bn. But who's arguing over 17.5%?

is the equivalent of a 7% tariff on our exports to the EU.

Half that - 3.5%. UK exports to the EU were £229bn in 2014.
https://fullfact.org/europe/do-half-...rts-go-europe/

In article ,
Andrew wrote:
According to Daily Politics, our net contribution of £10 Billion is the
equivalent of a 7% tariff on our exports to the EU. However we have
imported about 3 million from mostly poorer EU countries who either
send money back home, or they start have kids here which means what
ever little tax they pay is massively outweighed by the tax-credits,
housing benefit, free education (£65,000 per child) and free NHS.

I just love the idea of free education and free NHS. Wonder who pays for
it? I'd just like to say thanks to them. Is it some massively rich
benefactor like Donald trump?

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 14-Jun-16 9:29 PM, Andrew wrote:
....
According to Daily Politics, our net contribution of £10 Billion is the
equivalent of a 7% tariff on our exports to the EU. However we have
imported about 3 million from mostly poorer EU countries who either
send money back home, or they start have kids here which means what
ever little tax they pay is massively outweighed by the tax-credits,
housing benefit, free education (£65,000 per child) and free NHS....

According to a UCL report, in the period 2001-2011, immigrants from the
EU-15 countries paid 64% more in taxes than they received in benefits.
Immigrants from the central and eastern European countries (A10
countries) paid 12% more. European immigrants who arrived since 2000 are
also generally better educated - in 2011 24% of UK natives had a
university degree, compared to 25% from the A10 and 62% from the EU-15
countries. The saving of this to the UK education system over the period
1995 to 2011 is estimated at £49bn.

... Last
year the UK taxpayer paid £660 million to EU countries for providing
healthcare to retired UK nationals living in the EU. But we only
collect a tiny fraction of that amount from EU countries for th cost
of 'free' NHS care for EU nationals...

That is a failing in the NHS systems for identifying those who are not
entitled to free treatment and is nothing to do with the EU itself.


--
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Colin Bignell

In article ,
Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 18:59:50 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I've tended to think kippers are evil or mad. This falls into the mad
variety.

A 'Vote to leave' leaflet posted through my door from Gerard Batten,
UKIP MEP for London.

Under 'how much does EU membership cost' :-

'The total combined cost (direct and indirect) have been calculated as
about £190 billion per annum'

Somebody has their Bs and their Ms confused...

Well, they mention the 270 million per week earlier on in the same chapter.

And they say that 190 billion is 7000 per household per year.

But, hey, it's only a factor of a thousand away from reality.

Better than most of their stuff.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 18:59:50 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I've tended to think kippers are evil or mad. This falls into the mad
variety.

A 'Vote to leave' leaflet posted through my door from Gerard Batten,
UKIP MEP for London.

Under 'how much does EU membership cost' :-

'The total combined cost (direct and indirect) have been calculated as
about £190 billion per annum'

Somebody has their Bs and their Ms confused...

Well, they mention the 270 million per week earlier on in the same chapter.

And they say that 190 billion is 7000 per household per year.

Sorry, sorry -- hang on a mo -- are we talking about pounds, or
immigrants now?

J.

In article ,
Another John wrote:
In article ,
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 18:59:50 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I've tended to think kippers are evil or mad. This falls into the
mad variety.

A 'Vote to leave' leaflet posted through my door from Gerard
Batten, UKIP MEP for London.

Under 'how much does EU membership cost' :-

'The total combined cost (direct and indirect) have been
calculated as about £190 billion per annum'

Somebody has their Bs and their Ms confused...

Well, they mention the 270 million per week earlier on in the same
chapter.

And they say that 190 billion is 7000 per household per year.

Sorry, sorry -- hang on a mo -- are we talking about pounds, or
immigrants now?

You've not been keeping up, have you?

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
I've tended to think kippers are evil or mad. This falls into the mad
variety.

A 'Vote to leave' leaflet posted through my door from Gerard Batten, UKIP
MEP for London.

Under 'how much does EU membership cost' :-

'The total combined cost (direct and indirect) have been calculated as
about £190 billion per annum'

That is approximately how much the UK government gets in income tax
revenue per year.

So I've got a new slogan for UKIP.

Vote to leave the EU, and UKIP will abolish income tax.

You just know it makes sense...

Dave, if we happen to vote leave, you're gonna be hellish bitter and twisted

On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:31:04 +0100, bm wrote:

I've tended to think kippers are evil or mad. This falls into the mad
variety.

A 'Vote to leave' leaflet posted through my door from Gerard Batten,
UKIP MEP for London.

Under 'how much does EU membership cost' :-

'The total combined cost (direct and indirect) have been calculated as
about £190 billion per annum'

That is approximately how much the UK government gets in income tax
revenue per year.

So I've got a new slogan for UKIP.

Vote to leave the EU, and UKIP will abolish income tax.

You just know it makes sense...

Dave, if we happen to vote leave, you're gonna be hellish bitter and
twisted

And, in a few years time, everybody'll be standing around, wondering why
things aren't all swimmingly rosy... The opposite, in fact. But who to
blame now?

On 12/06/2016 19:56, Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:31:04 +0100, bm wrote:

I've tended to think kippers are evil or mad. This falls into the mad
variety.

A 'Vote to leave' leaflet posted through my door from Gerard Batten,
UKIP MEP for London.

Under 'how much does EU membership cost' :-

'The total combined cost (direct and indirect) have been calculated as
about £190 billion per annum'

That is approximately how much the UK government gets in income tax
revenue per year.

So I've got a new slogan for UKIP.

Vote to leave the EU, and UKIP will abolish income tax.

You just know it makes sense...

Dave, if we happen to vote leave, you're gonna be hellish bitter and
twisted

And, in a few years time, everybody'll be standing around, wondering why
things aren't all swimmingly rosy... The opposite, in fact. But who to
blame now?

You mean if we stay in the EU and a wake of Turks depress wages even more?

I'm thinking of my children, not having to compete with immigrants from
developing countries.

On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:59:34 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

I've tended to think kippers are evil or mad. This falls into the mad
variety.

A 'Vote to leave' leaflet posted through my door from Gerard Batten,
UKIP MEP for London.

Under 'how much does EU membership cost' :-

'The total combined cost (direct and indirect) have been calculated
as about £190 billion per annum'

That is approximately how much the UK government gets in income tax
revenue per year.

So I've got a new slogan for UKIP.

Vote to leave the EU, and UKIP will abolish income tax.

You just know it makes sense...

Dave, if we happen to vote leave, you're gonna be hellish bitter and
twisted

And, in a few years time, everybody'll be standing around, wondering
why things aren't all swimmingly rosy... The opposite, in fact. But who
to blame now?

You mean if we stay in the EU and a wake of Turks depress wages even
more?

sigh How about we try not to divert everything into some kind of
distopian fantasy world, just for a minute, just for once, unless you're
actively trying to prove Dave's point in his first sentence?

On 12/06/16 20:02, Adrian wrote:
How about we try not to divert everything into some kind of
distopian fantasy world, just for a minute, just for once, unless you're
actively trying to prove Dave's point in his first sentence?

How about we try not to divert everything into some kind of
dystopian fantasy world, just for a minute, just for once?

--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

"Fredxxx" wrote in message
...
On 12/06/2016 19:56, Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:31:04 +0100, bm wrote:

I've tended to think kippers are evil or mad. This falls into the mad
variety.

A 'Vote to leave' leaflet posted through my door from Gerard Batten,
UKIP MEP for London.

Under 'how much does EU membership cost' :-

'The total combined cost (direct and indirect) have been calculated as
about £190 billion per annum'

That is approximately how much the UK government gets in income tax
revenue per year.

So I've got a new slogan for UKIP.

Vote to leave the EU, and UKIP will abolish income tax.

You just know it makes sense...

Dave, if we happen to vote leave, you're gonna be hellish bitter and
twisted

And, in a few years time, everybody'll be standing around, wondering why
things aren't all swimmingly rosy... The opposite, in fact. But who to
blame now?

You mean if we stay in the EU and a wake of Turks depress wages even more?

I'm thinking of my children, not having to compete with immigrants from
developing countries.

They still would have to given that only half of them come from the EU.

In article ,
Fredxxx wrote:
I'm thinking of my children, not having to compete with immigrants from
developing countries.

Then educate them. And instil in them a desire to work and succeed.

Odd, isn't it? The right wing little Englanders consider themselves the
master race - but can't compete for a job with ill educated foreigners who
can't even speak English. In their own country.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Fredxxx wrote

I'm thinking of my children, not having to compete
with immigrants from developing countries.

Then educate them.

Easier said than done with the worst of them.

And instil in them a desire to work and succeed.

Impossible. They either have that or they don’t.

Odd, isn't it? The right wing little Englanders consider themselves
the master race - but can't compete for a job with ill educated
foreigners who can't even speak English. In their own country.

Its more that the drivers are very different. The locals can just put their
hands out to the state for benefits if they are feckless/unemployable.
The immigrants by definition are the small subset of where they are
coming from who are prepared to get off their arses and move to
somewhere where they rightly or wrongly consider their prospects are
significantly better and are mostly coming from countrys which hand
out sweet **** all in the way of benefits to those who choose not to work.

Its hardly very surprising that the parents of kids who they know
consciously or subconsciously need a boot in the arse before they
will actually put much effort into anything, would prefer it if no
immigrants were allowed in so their brats are free to choose
what work they will do without much effort to get qualified etc.

On Monday, 13 June 2016 00:47:11 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxxx wrote:
I'm thinking of my children, not having to compete with immigrants from
developing countries.

Then educate them. And instil in them a desire to work and succeed.

It's difficult with schools now as they keep changing the way they teach and what, then you have a mass influx on non english speakers, so the teachers end up having to help them more than anyone else.
Most know that unless you can get a high level of education your chances of a job is limited because the attitute is we can get them from overseas almost immediatley rather than having to wait for them to be trained up.



Odd, isn't it? The right wing little Englanders consider themselves the
master race - but can't compete for a job with ill educated foreigners who
can't even speak English. In their own country.

They can compete on a level field, but when you have lots of peole willing to work for far less than the minium wage because even at that level it's higher than a good wage in their country they are prepared to live 5 to a single room.

Whatever your skill is there's someone in another country that's willing to do it for less.
As I said it's happened to a friend of mine and it will continue to happen, bur not everyone can ignore it.

On 12-Jun-16 7:59 PM, Fredxxx wrote:
On 12/06/2016 19:56, Adrian wrote:
....
You mean if we stay in the EU

We are very unlikely to leave, even if the first referendum results in a
leave win. The government and a large majority of MPs want us to stay.

and a wake of Turks depress wages even more?

I'm thinking of my children, not having to compete with immigrants from
developing countries.

The evidence from 50 years of Turkish workers in Germany is that it is
the immigrants who struggle to get the jobs.

--
--

Colin Bignell

Nightjar wrote:
On 12-Jun-16 7:59 PM, Fredxxx wrote:
On 12/06/2016 19:56, Adrian wrote:
...
You mean if we stay in the EU

We are very unlikely to leave, even if the first referendum results in
a leave win. The government and a large majority of MPs want us to stay.

and a wake of Turks depress wages even more?

I'm thinking of my children, not having to compete with immigrants from
developing countries.

The evidence from 50 years of Turkish workers in Germany is that it is
the immigrants who struggle to get the jobs.


The evidence in the UK is the opposite. The Germans are more
nationalistic.

On Monday, 13 June 2016 09:49:48 UTC+1, Nightjar wrote:
On 12-Jun-16 7:59 PM, Fredxxx wrote:
On 12/06/2016 19:56, Adrian wrote:
...
You mean if we stay in the EU

We are very unlikely to leave, even if the first referendum results in a
leave win. The government and a large majority of MPs want us to stay.

and a wake of Turks depress wages even more?

I'm thinking of my children, not having to compete with immigrants from
developing countries.

The evidence from 50 years of Turkish workers in Germany is that it is
the immigrants who struggle to get the jobs.


If that were so, why do they come?
Or are you fantasising again?

On 13/06/2016 09:49, Nightjar wrote:
On 12-Jun-16 7:59 PM, Fredxxx wrote:
On 12/06/2016 19:56, Adrian wrote:
...
You mean if we stay in the EU

We are very unlikely to leave, even if the first referendum results in a
leave win. The government and a large majority of MPs want us to stay.

and a wake of Turks depress wages even more?

I'm thinking of my children, not having to compete with immigrants from
developing countries.

The evidence from 50 years of Turkish workers in Germany is that it is
the immigrants who struggle to get the jobs.

80% of all the much-fabled jobs created in this country since 2010 have
gone to non-UK nationals.

A meat-processing plant in Mythyr Tydfil employs mostly Portuguese and
Brazilians. The agency supplying them is run by Portuguese and the
locals never see vacancies in the local job centre. The same happens
all across East Anglia where farm and food factory workers are employed
in large numbers.

Why so many Brazilians (and elsewhere in the UK) ?. Brazil was never
a British Colony, but is was a Portuguese colony. Somehow large numbers
of South Americans have been given Spanish or Brazilian passports, then
whoosh, it's straight to Blighty.

Odd that nationals of actual former British colonies seem to have a more
difficult time coming here to work.

On 13-Jun-16 10:58 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

On 12-Jun-16 7:59 PM, Fredxxx wrote:
On 12/06/2016 19:56, Adrian wrote:
...
You mean if we stay in the EU

We are very unlikely to leave, even if the first referendum results in
a leave win. The government and a large majority of MPs want us to stay.

So if Leave wins by say 60/40, they'll just ignore it, you mean?


That is an improbable result. However, as I have said before, what I
expect to happen if the vote is to leave is that the government will go
back to the EU and ask for more concessions. Those will then be put to a
second referendum. If the public don't get that one right, then ignoring
the vote would be an option, although they might go through the motions
of putting legislation to parliament, in the knowledge that the vast
majority of MPs support remain and will vote it down. It is, after all,
what the leave party say they want - the UK government making all the
decisions.


--
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Colin Bignell

On 13/06/16 10:58, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

On 12-Jun-16 7:59 PM, Fredxxx wrote:
On 12/06/2016 19:56, Adrian wrote:
...
You mean if we stay in the EU

We are very unlikely to leave, even if the first referendum results in
a leave win. The government and a large majority of MPs want us to stay.

So if Leave wins by say 60/40, they'll just ignore it, you mean?

That's what he seems to say yes.

And I've heard that said by a lot of other people

'yeah we promised a referendum,. but not to be bound by it'

Well if there is any way to get 50+ UKIP seats in parliament, that has
to be it.


--
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"Saki"

On 12/06/16 19:56, Adrian wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:31:04 +0100, bm wrote:

I've tended to think kippers are evil or mad. This falls into the mad
variety.

A 'Vote to leave' leaflet posted through my door from Gerard Batten,
UKIP MEP for London.

Under 'how much does EU membership cost' :-

'The total combined cost (direct and indirect) have been calculated as
about £190 billion per annum'

That is approximately how much the UK government gets in income tax
revenue per year.

So I've got a new slogan for UKIP.

Vote to leave the EU, and UKIP will abolish income tax.

You just know it makes sense...

Dave, if we happen to vote leave, you're gonna be hellish bitter and
twisted

And, in a few years time, everybody'll be standing around, wondering why
things aren't all swimmingly rosy... The opposite, in fact. But who to
blame now?

Well it would just be like te lefty****s to destroy the country and
blame it on 'not being in the EU'

Blaming it on Thatcher is wearing a *bit* thin.





--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:31:04 +0100, bm wrote:

I've tended to think kippers are evil or mad. This falls into the mad
variety.

A 'Vote to leave' leaflet posted through my door from Gerard Batten,
UKIP MEP for London.

Under 'how much does EU membership cost' :-

'The total combined cost (direct and indirect) have been calculated as
about £190 billion per annum'

That is approximately how much the UK government gets in income tax
revenue per year.

So I've got a new slogan for UKIP.

Vote to leave the EU, and UKIP will abolish income tax.

You just know it makes sense...

Dave, if we happen to vote leave, you're gonna be hellish bitter and
twisted

And, in a few years time, everybody'll be standing around, wondering
why things aren't all swimmingly rosy... The opposite, in fact.

Bet they dont and in fact will be saying that Britain did quite
well to leave when it did and didnt have its economy crippled
by the spectacular implosion that was seen in the eurozone.

And did even better to avoid having to accept any of the hordes
of refugees that keep pouring out of Africa and the Middle East
as the EU finds that it can't con Turkey and Libya etc into taking
them all back, no matter how many billions they send them to
bribe them into doing that.

But who to blame now?

Those that not only forced the eurozone on all recent admissions
to the EU, but those who couldnt see the writing on the wall for
the eurozone and kept desperately trying to bail out a system
that was never going to work while ever individual countries
could do what they liked national budget wise and could just
keep doing the terminal stupidies that Greece and Italy kept
doing and couldnt just devalue their individual currencies to
get out of the economic mess they had got themselves into.

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Do **** off Wodney.
Find an ozzie ng in which to type ********.

In article om,
bm wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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I've tended to think kippers are evil or mad. This falls into the mad
variety.

A 'Vote to leave' leaflet posted through my door from Gerard Batten, UKIP
MEP for London.

Under 'how much does EU membership cost' :-

'The total combined cost (direct and indirect) have been calculated as
about £190 billion per annum'

That is approximately how much the UK government gets in income tax
revenue per year.

So I've got a new slogan for UKIP.

Vote to leave the EU, and UKIP will abolish income tax.

You just know it makes sense...

Dave, if we happen to vote leave, you're gonna be hellish bitter and
twisted

Willing to bet not as much as the Turnips of this world if they don't get
their way.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Actually, I was rather confused by their stance on Europe as the only place
they have any clout is in the ineffectual Eu Parliament, and if they vote
out they will lose their jobs.
Brian

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
I've tended to think kippers are evil or mad. This falls into the mad
variety.

A 'Vote to leave' leaflet posted through my door from Gerard Batten, UKIP
MEP for London.

Under 'how much does EU membership cost' :-

'The total combined cost (direct and indirect) have been calculated as
about £190 billion per annum'

That is approximately how much the UK government gets in income tax
revenue per year.

So I've got a new slogan for UKIP.

Vote to leave the EU, and UKIP will abolish income tax.

You just know it makes sense...

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Brian Gaff wrote

Actually, I was rather confused by their stance on Europe as the only
place they have any clout is in the ineffectual Eu Parliament, and if they
vote out they will lose their jobs.

That does show that they are prepared to put their jobs on the line tho.

Unusual for politicians.


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
I've tended to think kippers are evil or mad. This falls into the mad
variety.

A 'Vote to leave' leaflet posted through my door from Gerard Batten, UKIP
MEP for London.

Under 'how much does EU membership cost' :-

'The total combined cost (direct and indirect) have been calculated as
about £190 billion per annum'

That is approximately how much the UK government gets in income tax
revenue per year.

So I've got a new slogan for UKIP.

Vote to leave the EU, and UKIP will abolish income tax.

You just know it makes sense...

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*Venison for dinner again? Oh deer!*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 13/06/16 10:21, Brian Gaff wrote:
Actually, I was rather confused by their stance on Europe as the only place
they have any clout is in the ineffectual Eu Parliament, and if they vote
out they will lose their jobs.

That is and always has been their stated intention


If I've heard nigel say it once, I've heard him say it 100 times

"This turkey is voting for Christmas"

Brian



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