If we leave the EU, we will have to ensure that all immigrant dogs are
returned whence they came. The only dog breeds which will be allowed are
in the list below. (Adjustments may be made if further investigation
shows that any of these breeds have been wrongly included.)

This will cause problems as Alsations dominate police dogs - and we
won't have many non-Alsations left serving. Special measures will be
required to train up alternative breeds.

Of course, should Scotland and Wales devolve, we in England will also
have to deport the Welsh and Scottish breeds. Rumours that the Queen
will switch allegiance from the Welsh corgis to English Cocker Spaniels
are being dismissed on the grounds she already has a Greek Cocker.

Airedale Terrier
Beagle
Bearded Collie
Bedlington Terrier
Blue Paul Terrier
Border Collie
Border Terrier
Bull and Terrier
Bull Terrier
Bull Terrier (Miniature)
Bulldog
Bullmastiff
Cairn Terrier
Cavalier King Charles Spaniel
Clumber Spaniel
Collie, Rough
Collie, Smooth
Cumberland Sheepdog
Curly Coated Retriever
Dandie Dinmont Terrier
English Cocker Spaniel
English Foxhound
English Mastiff
English Setter
English Springer Spaniel
English Toy Terrier (Black & Tan)
English Water Spaniel
English White Terrier
Field Spaniel
Flat-Coated Retriever
Fox Terrier (Smooth)
Fox Terrier, Wire
Golden Retriever
Gordon Setter
Greyhound
Harrier
Jack Russell Terrier
King Charles Spaniel
Lakeland Terrier
Lancashire Heeler
Manchester Terrier
Norfolk Spaniel
Norfolk Terrier
North Country Beagle
Norwich Terrier
Old English Sheepdog
Old English Terrier
Otterhound
Paisley Terrier
Parson Russell Terrier
Patterdale Terrier
Pointer
Russell Terrier
Scotch Collie
Scottish Deerhound
Scottish Terrier
Sealyham Terrier
Shetland Sheepdog
Skye Terrier
Southern Hound
Sporting Lucas Terrier
Staffordshire Bull Terrier
Sussex Spaniel
Toy Manchester Terrier
Toy Trawler Spaniel
Tweed Water Spaniel
Welsh Corgi, Cardigan
Welsh Corgi, Pembroke
Welsh Sheepdog
Welsh Springer Spaniel
Welsh Terrier
West Highland White Terrier
Yorkshire Terrier

--
Rod

"polygonum" wrote in message
...

Of course, should Scotland and Wales devolve, we in England will also have
to deport the Welsh and Scottish breeds. Rumours that the Queen will
switch allegiance from the Welsh corgis to English Cocker Spaniels are
being dismissed on the grounds she already has a Greek Cocker.


So if Scotland devolves do we keep half a Border Terrier? If so which half?

--
Adam

On 28/05/16 08:55, ARW wrote:
"polygonum" wrote in message
...

Of course, should Scotland and Wales devolve, we in England will also
have to deport the Welsh and Scottish breeds. Rumours that the Queen
will switch allegiance from the Welsh corgis to English Cocker
Spaniels are being dismissed on the grounds she already has a Greek
Cocker.


So if Scotland devolves do we keep half a Border Terrier? If so which half?

Almost certainly the aggressive snappy smelly half


--
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let them."

What about cross bred dogs?
Labradoodles etc?
And what about cats, and all the parakeets?
Brian

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"polygonum" wrote in message
...
If we leave the EU, we will have to ensure that all immigrant dogs are
returned whence they came. The only dog breeds which will be allowed are
in the list below. (Adjustments may be made if further investigation shows
that any of these breeds have been wrongly included.)

This will cause problems as Alsations dominate police dogs - and we won't
have many non-Alsations left serving. Special measures will be required to
train up alternative breeds.

Of course, should Scotland and Wales devolve, we in England will also have
to deport the Welsh and Scottish breeds. Rumours that the Queen will
switch allegiance from the Welsh corgis to English Cocker Spaniels are
being dismissed on the grounds she already has a Greek Cocker.

Airedale Terrier
Beagle
Bearded Collie
Bedlington Terrier
Blue Paul Terrier
Border Collie
Border Terrier
Bull and Terrier
Bull Terrier
Bull Terrier (Miniature)
Bulldog
Bullmastiff
Cairn Terrier
Cavalier King Charles Spaniel
Clumber Spaniel
Collie, Rough
Collie, Smooth
Cumberland Sheepdog
Curly Coated Retriever
Dandie Dinmont Terrier
English Cocker Spaniel
English Foxhound
English Mastiff
English Setter
English Springer Spaniel
English Toy Terrier (Black & Tan)
English Water Spaniel
English White Terrier
Field Spaniel
Flat-Coated Retriever
Fox Terrier (Smooth)
Fox Terrier, Wire
Golden Retriever
Gordon Setter
Greyhound
Harrier
Jack Russell Terrier
King Charles Spaniel
Lakeland Terrier
Lancashire Heeler
Manchester Terrier
Norfolk Spaniel
Norfolk Terrier
North Country Beagle
Norwich Terrier
Old English Sheepdog
Old English Terrier
Otterhound
Paisley Terrier
Parson Russell Terrier
Patterdale Terrier
Pointer
Russell Terrier
Scotch Collie
Scottish Deerhound
Scottish Terrier
Sealyham Terrier
Shetland Sheepdog
Skye Terrier
Southern Hound
Sporting Lucas Terrier
Staffordshire Bull Terrier
Sussex Spaniel
Toy Manchester Terrier
Toy Trawler Spaniel
Tweed Water Spaniel
Welsh Corgi, Cardigan
Welsh Corgi, Pembroke
Welsh Sheepdog
Welsh Springer Spaniel
Welsh Terrier
West Highland White Terrier
Yorkshire Terrier

--
Rod

On 28/05/2016 09:06, Brian Gaff wrote:
What about cross bred dogs?
Labradoodles etc?
And what about cats, and all the parakeets?
Brian


Agreed Brian. There's lots more to consider.

Hopefully Mr Macaw will stay north of the border.

--
Rod

On 28/05/2016 09:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/05/16 08:55, ARW wrote:
"polygonum" wrote in message
...

Of course, should Scotland and Wales devolve, we in England will also
have to deport the Welsh and Scottish breeds. Rumours that the Queen
will switch allegiance from the Welsh corgis to English Cocker
Spaniels are being dismissed on the grounds she already has a Greek
Cocker.


So if Scotland devolves do we keep half a Border Terrier? If so which
half?

Almost certainly the aggressive snappy smelly half


To be honest, from my PoV, they can keep the whole dog.

--
Rod

On 28/05/2016 08:55, ARW wrote:
"polygonum" wrote in message
...

Of course, should Scotland and Wales devolve, we in England will also
have to deport the Welsh and Scottish breeds. Rumours that the Queen
will switch allegiance from the Welsh corgis to English Cocker
Spaniels are being dismissed on the grounds she already has a Greek
Cocker.


So if Scotland devolves do we keep half a Border Terrier? If so which half?



The majority of 'pedigree' dogs come from Puppy Farms in Eastern Europe
in the first place.

--
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On 28/05/16 11:54, polygonum wrote:
On 28/05/2016 09:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/05/16 08:55, ARW wrote:
"polygonum" wrote in message
...

Of course, should Scotland and Wales devolve, we in England will also
have to deport the Welsh and Scottish breeds. Rumours that the Queen
will switch allegiance from the Welsh corgis to English Cocker
Spaniels are being dismissed on the grounds she already has a Greek
Cocker.


So if Scotland devolves do we keep half a Border Terrier? If so which
half?

Almost certainly the aggressive snappy smelly half


To be honest, from my PoV, they can keep the whole dog.

Nha. Borders are the funniest dogs there are.

IN these days of po faced lefty****s, you need something that makes you
laugh.


--
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
foolish, and by the rulers as useful.

(Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)

On 28/05/16 12:01, alan_m wrote:
On 28/05/2016 08:55, ARW wrote:
"polygonum" wrote in message
...

Of course, should Scotland and Wales devolve, we in England will also
have to deport the Welsh and Scottish breeds. Rumours that the Queen
will switch allegiance from the Welsh corgis to English Cocker
Spaniels are being dismissed on the grounds she already has a Greek
Cocker.


So if Scotland devolves do we keep half a Border Terrier? If so which
half?



The majority of 'pedigree' dogs come from Puppy Farms in Eastern Europe
in the first place.

Suffolk isn't eastern Europe!


--
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
foolish, and by the rulers as useful.

(Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 28/05/16 12:01, alan_m wrote:
On 28/05/2016 08:55, ARW wrote:
"polygonum" wrote in message
...

Of course, should Scotland and Wales devolve, we in England will also
have to deport the Welsh and Scottish breeds. Rumours that the Queen
will switch allegiance from the Welsh corgis to English Cocker
Spaniels are being dismissed on the grounds she already has a Greek
Cocker.


So if Scotland devolves do we keep half a Border Terrier? If so which
half?



The majority of 'pedigree' dogs come from Puppy Farms in Eastern Europe
in the first place.

Suffolk isn't eastern Europe!


Has it got rabies?

--
Adam

On 28/05/16 16:15, ARW wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 28/05/16 12:01, alan_m wrote:
On 28/05/2016 08:55, ARW wrote:
"polygonum" wrote in message
...

Of course, should Scotland and Wales devolve, we in England will also
have to deport the Welsh and Scottish breeds. Rumours that the Queen
will switch allegiance from the Welsh corgis to English Cocker
Spaniels are being dismissed on the grounds she already has a Greek
Cocker.


So if Scotland devolves do we keep half a Border Terrier? If so which
half?



The majority of 'pedigree' dogs come from Puppy Farms in Eastern Europe
in the first place.

Suffolk isn't eastern Europe!


Has it got rabies?

I don't know. I never asked it.


--
Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

On Sat, 28 May 2016 11:53:46 +0100, polygonum wrote:

On 28/05/2016 09:06, Brian Gaff wrote:
What about cross bred dogs?
Labradoodles etc?
And what about cats, and all the parakeets?
Brian


Agreed Brian. There's lots more to consider.

Hopefully Mr Macaw will stay north of the border.

Too much snipping. No context.

--
There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra today than on Alzheimer's research. This means that by 2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs and huge erections and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them.

In article , alan_m
writes
On 28/05/2016 08:55, ARW wrote:
"polygonum" wrote in message
...

Of course, should Scotland and Wales devolve, we in England will also
have to deport the Welsh and Scottish breeds. Rumours that the Queen
will switch allegiance from the Welsh corgis to English Cocker
Spaniels are being dismissed on the grounds she already has a Greek
Cocker.


So if Scotland devolves do we keep half a Border Terrier? If so which half?



The majority of 'pedigree' dogs come from Puppy Farms in Eastern Europe
in the first place.

Ireland mostly
--
bert

"bert" wrote in message
...
In article , alan_m
writes
On 28/05/2016 08:55, ARW wrote:
"polygonum" wrote in message
...

Of course, should Scotland and Wales devolve, we in England will also
have to deport the Welsh and Scottish breeds. Rumours that the Queen
will switch allegiance from the Welsh corgis to English Cocker
Spaniels are being dismissed on the grounds she already has a Greek
Cocker.


So if Scotland devolves do we keep half a Border Terrier? If so which
half?



The majority of 'pedigree' dogs come from Puppy Farms in Eastern Europe in
the first place.

Ireland mostly


Can you fetch a dog in from Eastern Europe without rabies quarantine/rabies
vaccination?

--
Adam

On Tue, 31 May 2016 18:27:20 +0100, ARW wrote:

The majority of 'pedigree' dogs come from Puppy Farms in Eastern Europe
in the first place.

Ireland mostly

Can you fetch a dog in from Eastern Europe without rabies
quarantine/rabies vaccination?

If it has a pet passport, and has had all the jabs etc.
https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad/travel-within-the-eu

There's free travel between the UK and RoI, though.

What the conspiracy theorists forget is that the entire point of a
PEDIGREE dog is that you know EXACTLY where it was bred and where the
ancestors for several generations were bred. It's kinda the whole point
of a PEDIGREE dog...

In article , Adrian
writes
On Tue, 31 May 2016 18:27:20 +0100, ARW wrote:

The majority of 'pedigree' dogs come from Puppy Farms in Eastern Europe
in the first place.

Ireland mostly

Can you fetch a dog in from Eastern Europe without rabies
quarantine/rabies vaccination?

If it has a pet passport, and has had all the jabs etc.
https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad/travel-within-the-eu

There's free travel between the UK and RoI, though.

What the conspiracy theorists forget is that the entire point of a
PEDIGREE dog is that you know EXACTLY where it was bred and where the
ancestors for several generations were bred. It's kinda the whole point
of a PEDIGREE dog...
Pedigrees are maintained by national kennel clubs, ISDS and WBCS to my
knowledge.
Rumania has a kennel club and therefore can issue pedigrees.
Rumania also has a certain reputation for corruption and I don't see
that their KC should be any exception. Forging a pedigree isn't exactly
rocket science. I don't suppose pet passports present them with much of
a challenge either.
--
bert

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 31 May 2016 18:27:20 +0100, ARW wrote:

The majority of 'pedigree' dogs come from Puppy Farms in Eastern Europe
in the first place.

Ireland mostly

Can you fetch a dog in from Eastern Europe without rabies
quarantine/rabies vaccination?

If it has a pet passport, and has had all the jabs etc.
https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad/travel-within-the-eu

There's free travel between the UK and RoI, though.

What the conspiracy theorists forget is that the entire point of a
PEDIGREE dog is that you know EXACTLY where it was bred and where the
ancestors for several generations were bred. It's kinda the whole point
of a PEDIGREE dog...



Thick ****s pay a OTT for them (no names mentioned) so that they can spend a
load more cash on vet's bill due to the Bob's your Uncle genes. They think
they get a better dog then a mongrel.

It would not be a puppy by the time it came in from Eastern Europe would
it:-)?

--
Adam

On 31/05/16 20:03, ARW wrote:
"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 31 May 2016 18:27:20 +0100, ARW wrote:

The majority of 'pedigree' dogs come from Puppy Farms in Eastern
Europe
in the first place.

Ireland mostly

Can you fetch a dog in from Eastern Europe without rabies
quarantine/rabies vaccination?

If it has a pet passport, and has had all the jabs etc.
https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad/travel-within-the-eu

There's free travel between the UK and RoI, though.

What the conspiracy theorists forget is that the entire point of a
PEDIGREE dog is that you know EXACTLY where it was bred and where the
ancestors for several generations were bred. It's kinda the whole point
of a PEDIGREE dog...



Thick ****s pay a OTT for them (no names mentioned) so that they can
spend a load more cash on vet's bill due to the Bob's your Uncle genes.
They think they get a better dog then a mongrel.

If you want a characteristic specific to a breed, then you DO get a
better dog than a mongrel. It all depends what you want.

Labradors have soft mouths. terriers don't. What a cross between them
would have is in the lap of the gods.


It would not be a puppy by the time it came in from Eastern Europe would
it:-)?

Why not?

A puppy is still a puppy after its weaned.

--
"Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will
let them."

In article , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 31/05/16 20:03, ARW wrote:
"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 31 May 2016 18:27:20 +0100, ARW wrote:

The majority of 'pedigree' dogs come from Puppy Farms in Eastern
Europe
in the first place.

Ireland mostly

Can you fetch a dog in from Eastern Europe without rabies
quarantine/rabies vaccination?

If it has a pet passport, and has had all the jabs etc.
https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad/travel-within-the-eu

There's free travel between the UK and RoI, though.

What the conspiracy theorists forget is that the entire point of a
PEDIGREE dog is that you know EXACTLY where it was bred and where the
ancestors for several generations were bred. It's kinda the whole point
of a PEDIGREE dog...



Thick ****s pay a OTT for them (no names mentioned) so that they can
spend a load more cash on vet's bill due to the Bob's your Uncle genes.
They think they get a better dog then a mongrel.

If you want a characteristic specific to a breed, then you DO get a
better dog than a mongrel. It all depends what you want.

Labradors have soft mouths. terriers don't. What a cross between them
would have is in the lap of the gods.

And yet these idiots pay way over the odds for cross breeds just because
they are called designer dogs.

It would not be a puppy by the time it came in from Eastern Europe would
it:-)?

Why not?

A puppy is still a puppy after its weaned.


--
bert

On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 18:27:36 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
Can you fetch a dog in from Eastern Europe without rabies quarantine/rabies
vaccination?

Yes.

Not legally, but when did that ever stop anyone.

Owain

On 31/05/2016 21:34, Tim Streater wrote:

Pedigree is a load of cock anyway. These dogs with funny snouts and all
the rest of it should be severely discouraged. Up with mongrels!

Funny how I detect a general whiff of mongrelism being good in dogs,
less good in humans. :-) (Not meant to be a direct response to you, Tim.)

--
Rod

On 31/05/16 21:23, bert wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 31/05/16 20:03, ARW wrote:
"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 31 May 2016 18:27:20 +0100, ARW wrote:

The majority of 'pedigree' dogs come from Puppy Farms in Eastern
Europe
in the first place.

Ireland mostly

Can you fetch a dog in from Eastern Europe without rabies
quarantine/rabies vaccination?

If it has a pet passport, and has had all the jabs etc.
https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad/travel-within-the-eu

There's free travel between the UK and RoI, though.

What the conspiracy theorists forget is that the entire point of a
PEDIGREE dog is that you know EXACTLY where it was bred and where the
ancestors for several generations were bred. It's kinda the whole point
of a PEDIGREE dog...



Thick ****s pay a OTT for them (no names mentioned) so that they can
spend a load more cash on vet's bill due to the Bob's your Uncle genes.
They think they get a better dog then a mongrel.

If you want a characteristic specific to a breed, then you DO get a
better dog than a mongrel. It all depends what you want.

Labradors have soft mouths. terriers don't. What a cross between them
would have is in the lap of the gods.

And yet these idiots pay way over the odds for cross breeds just because
they are called designer dogs.

*shrug* If that's what they want, who am I to stop them?

I am not my brother's dog's keeper, I am no lefty****.




--
€œIt is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of
making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people
who pay no price for being wrong.€�

Thomas Sowell

On 31/05/2016 21:48, polygonum wrote:
Funny how I detect a general whiff of mongrelism being good in dogs

Hybrid vigour. That's why we all grow F1 tomatoes.

Andy

On 31/05/16 23:06, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 31/05/2016 21:48, polygonum wrote:
Funny how I detect a general whiff of mongrelism being good in dogs

Hybrid vigour. That's why we all grow F1 tomatoes.

Andy
Always marry your cousin to keep the breed pure.



--
To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.

In article , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 31/05/16 21:23, bert wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 31/05/16 20:03, ARW wrote:
"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 31 May 2016 18:27:20 +0100, ARW wrote:

The majority of 'pedigree' dogs come from Puppy Farms in Eastern
Europe
in the first place.

Ireland mostly

Can you fetch a dog in from Eastern Europe without rabies
quarantine/rabies vaccination?

If it has a pet passport, and has had all the jabs etc.
https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad/travel-within-the-eu

There's free travel between the UK and RoI, though.

What the conspiracy theorists forget is that the entire point of a
PEDIGREE dog is that you know EXACTLY where it was bred and where the
ancestors for several generations were bred. It's kinda the whole point
of a PEDIGREE dog...



Thick ****s pay a OTT for them (no names mentioned) so that they can
spend a load more cash on vet's bill due to the Bob's your Uncle genes.
They think they get a better dog then a mongrel.

If you want a characteristic specific to a breed, then you DO get a
better dog than a mongrel. It all depends what you want.

Labradors have soft mouths. terriers don't. What a cross between them
would have is in the lap of the gods.

And yet these idiots pay way over the odds for cross breeds just because
they are called designer dogs.

*shrug* If that's what they want, who am I to stop them?

I am not my brother's dog's keeper, I am no lefty****.




And you're pro0bably not involved in dog rescues picking up the pieces
when they realise what a mess they've have got.
--
bert

In article , Tim Streater
writes
In article , Adrian
wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2016 18:27:20 +0100, ARW wrote:

The majority of 'pedigree' dogs come from Puppy Farms in Eastern Europe
in the first place.

Ireland mostly

Can you fetch a dog in from Eastern Europe without rabies
quarantine/rabies vaccination?

If it has a pet passport, and has had all the jabs etc.
https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad/travel-within-the-eu

There's free travel between the UK and RoI, though.

What the conspiracy theorists forget is that the entire point of a
PEDIGREE dog is that you know EXACTLY where it was bred and where the
ancestors for several generations were bred. It's kinda the whole
point of a PEDIGREE dog...

Pedigree is a load of cock anyway. These dogs with funny snouts and all
the rest of it should be severely discouraged. Up with mongrels!

You are talking about some KC breeds. The IDS [1] for example would say
that their pedigrees as important for the breeding of good working
sheepdogs.
[1] Not Ian Duncan Smith
--
bert

In article , polygonum
writes
On 31/05/2016 21:34, Tim Streater wrote:

Pedigree is a load of cock anyway. These dogs with funny snouts and all
the rest of it should be severely discouraged. Up with mongrels!

Funny how I detect a general whiff of mongrelism being good in dogs,
less good in humans. :-) (Not meant to be a direct response to you,
Tim.)

Well the Egyptians were keen on line breeding and look what happened to
them. Depends what you want. Dog breeds were mostly developed for a
working purpose and that's where the pedigrees were important. Nowadays
they are mostly associated with the show world.
--
bert

"ARW" wrote in message
...
"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 31 May 2016 18:27:20 +0100, ARW wrote:

The majority of 'pedigree' dogs come from Puppy Farms in Eastern Europe
in the first place.

Ireland mostly

Can you fetch a dog in from Eastern Europe without rabies
quarantine/rabies vaccination?

If it has a pet passport, and has had all the jabs etc.
https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad/travel-within-the-eu

There's free travel between the UK and RoI, though.

What the conspiracy theorists forget is that the entire point of a
PEDIGREE dog is that you know EXACTLY where it was bred and where the
ancestors for several generations were bred. It's kinda the whole point
of a PEDIGREE dog...



Thick ****s pay a OTT for them (no names mentioned) so that they can spend
a load more cash on vet's bill due to the Bob's your Uncle genes. They
think they get a better dog then a mongrel.

Certainly a more predictable result than with a mongrel.

And it doesnt need to be pedigreed, just not a mongrel.

It would not be a puppy by the time it came in from Eastern Europe would
it:-)?

On 31/05/16 23:35, bert wrote:
In article , Tim Streater
writes
In article , Adrian
wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2016 18:27:20 +0100, ARW wrote:

The majority of 'pedigree' dogs come from Puppy Farms in Eastern
Europe
in the first place.

Ireland mostly

Can you fetch a dog in from Eastern Europe without rabies
quarantine/rabies vaccination?

If it has a pet passport, and has had all the jabs etc.
https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad/travel-within-the-eu

There's free travel between the UK and RoI, though.

What the conspiracy theorists forget is that the entire point of a
PEDIGREE dog is that you know EXACTLY where it was bred and where the
ancestors for several generations were bred. It's kinda the whole
point of a PEDIGREE dog...

Pedigree is a load of cock anyway. These dogs with funny snouts and all
the rest of it should be severely discouraged. Up with mongrels!

You are talking about some KC breeds. The IDS [1] for example would say
that their pedigrees as important for the breeding of good working
sheepdogs.

Well exactly, Why on earth do people think pedigrees exist?

Because back in the dawn of time Man noticed that physical and
behavioural traits were to an extent passed on from parents to child,
and so the idea of controlled breeding, and separate breeds developed.

Pedigree records simply acknowledged that.

They weren't invented by pet snobs.

You stand a much better chance of getting a good gundog from a pedigree
background that includes good working dogs in it.


However be advised that just because your pup has a retriever champion
as its dad doesn't mean the dear thing will be a decent gundog. Fetching
a green canvas sack in a showground does not involve 12 bores going off
all around. You may end up with a dog that tries to get into bed with
you every time there is a thunderstorm, and sits cowering and shaking or
runs 2 miles if he hears guns going off round the house. DAMHIKT ;-)




[1] Not Ian Duncan Smith


--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

On 31/05/16 23:33, bert wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 31/05/16 21:23, bert wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 31/05/16 20:03, ARW wrote:
"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 31 May 2016 18:27:20 +0100, ARW wrote:

The majority of 'pedigree' dogs come from Puppy Farms in Eastern
Europe
in the first place.

Ireland mostly

Can you fetch a dog in from Eastern Europe without rabies
quarantine/rabies vaccination?

If it has a pet passport, and has had all the jabs etc.
https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad/travel-within-the-eu

There's free travel between the UK and RoI, though.

What the conspiracy theorists forget is that the entire point of a
PEDIGREE dog is that you know EXACTLY where it was bred and where the
ancestors for several generations were bred. It's kinda the whole
point
of a PEDIGREE dog...



Thick ****s pay a OTT for them (no names mentioned) so that they can
spend a load more cash on vet's bill due to the Bob's your Uncle
genes.
They think they get a better dog then a mongrel.

If you want a characteristic specific to a breed, then you DO get a
better dog than a mongrel. It all depends what you want.

Labradors have soft mouths. terriers don't. What a cross between them
would have is in the lap of the gods.

And yet these idiots pay way over the odds for cross breeds just because
they are called designer dogs.

*shrug* If that's what they want, who am I to stop them?

I am not my brother's dog's keeper, I am no lefty****.




And you're pro0bably not involved in dog rescues picking up the pieces
when they realise what a mess they've have got.

If they do that, then shoot the dog if its dangerous or rehome it if its
not, and fine the owners.



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Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

On 31/05/16 23:38, bert wrote:
In article , polygonum
writes
On 31/05/2016 21:34, Tim Streater wrote:

Pedigree is a load of cock anyway. These dogs with funny snouts and all
the rest of it should be severely discouraged. Up with mongrels!

Funny how I detect a general whiff of mongrelism being good in dogs,
less good in humans. :-) (Not meant to be a direct response to you, Tim.)

Well the Egyptians were keen on line breeding and look what happened to
them. Depends what you want. Dog breeds were mostly developed for a
working purpose and that's where the pedigrees were important. Nowadays
they are mostly associated with the show world.

Well you obviopusly don't live in te country, where dogs work, and where
breed is very important, and people select on breed even when its a pet,
because they want a specific characteristic. For example, I dont think
there is a single instance of a baby ever being mailed by a black
labrador. But it happens with other breeds.


--
Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 31/05/16 23:35, bert wrote:
In article , Tim Streater
writes
In article , Adrian
wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2016 18:27:20 +0100, ARW wrote:

The majority of 'pedigree' dogs come from Puppy Farms in Eastern
Europe
in the first place.

Ireland mostly

Can you fetch a dog in from Eastern Europe without rabies
quarantine/rabies vaccination?

If it has a pet passport, and has had all the jabs etc.
https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad/travel-within-the-eu

There's free travel between the UK and RoI, though.

What the conspiracy theorists forget is that the entire point of a
PEDIGREE dog is that you know EXACTLY where it was bred and where the
ancestors for several generations were bred. It's kinda the whole
point of a PEDIGREE dog...

Pedigree is a load of cock anyway. These dogs with funny snouts and all
the rest of it should be severely discouraged. Up with mongrels!

You are talking about some KC breeds. The IDS [1] for example would say
that their pedigrees as important for the breeding of good working
sheepdogs.

Well exactly, Why on earth do people think pedigrees exist?

Because back in the dawn of time Man noticed that physical and
behavioural traits were to an extent passed on from parents to child,
and so the idea of controlled breeding, and separate breeds developed.

Pedigree records simply acknowledged that.

They weren't invented by pet snobs.

You stand a much better chance of getting a good gundog from a pedigree
background that includes good working dogs in it.


However be advised that just because your pup has a retriever champion
as its dad doesn't mean the dear thing will be a decent gundog. Fetching
a green canvas sack in a showground does not involve 12 bores going off
all around. You may end up with a dog that tries to get into bed with
you every time there is a thunderstorm, and sits cowering and shaking or
runs 2 miles if he hears guns going off round the house. DAMHIKT ;-)


Not if you take it to a shoot when very young.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On 01/06/16 10:50, charles wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 31/05/16 23:35, bert wrote:
In article , Tim Streater
writes
In article , Adrian
wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2016 18:27:20 +0100, ARW wrote:

The majority of 'pedigree' dogs come from Puppy Farms in Eastern
Europe
in the first place.

Ireland mostly

Can you fetch a dog in from Eastern Europe without rabies
quarantine/rabies vaccination?

If it has a pet passport, and has had all the jabs etc.
https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad/travel-within-the-eu

There's free travel between the UK and RoI, though.

What the conspiracy theorists forget is that the entire point of a
PEDIGREE dog is that you know EXACTLY where it was bred and where the
ancestors for several generations were bred. It's kinda the whole
point of a PEDIGREE dog...

Pedigree is a load of cock anyway. These dogs with funny snouts and all
the rest of it should be severely discouraged. Up with mongrels!

You are talking about some KC breeds. The IDS [1] for example would say
that their pedigrees as important for the breeding of good working
sheepdogs.

Well exactly, Why on earth do people think pedigrees exist?

Because back in the dawn of time Man noticed that physical and
behavioural traits were to an extent passed on from parents to child,
and so the idea of controlled breeding, and separate breeds developed.

Pedigree records simply acknowledged that.

They weren't invented by pet snobs.

You stand a much better chance of getting a good gundog from a pedigree
background that includes good working dogs in it.


However be advised that just because your pup has a retriever champion
as its dad doesn't mean the dear thing will be a decent gundog. Fetching
a green canvas sack in a showground does not involve 12 bores going off
all around. You may end up with a dog that tries to get into bed with
you every time there is a thunderstorm, and sits cowering and shaking or
runs 2 miles if he hears guns going off round the house. DAMHIKT ;-)


Not if you take it to a shoot when very young.

Oh, but we did. In fact that's where the phobia seems to have started.


--
Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

On 01/06/2016 10:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Well you obviopusly don't live in te country, where dogs work, and where
breed is very important, and people select on breed even when its a pet,
because they want a specific characteristic. For example, I dont think
there is a single instance of a baby ever being mailed by a black
labrador. But it happens with other breeds.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-Harbour.html

On 01/06/16 12:34, dennis@home wrote:
On 01/06/2016 10:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Well you obviopusly don't live in te country, where dogs work, and where
breed is very important, and people select on breed even when its a pet,
because they want a specific characteristic. For example, I dont think
there is a single instance of a baby ever being mailed by a black
labrador. But it happens with other breeds.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-Harbour.html

Well i stand corrected, I cant understand what must have happened there.



--
"The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll
look exactly the same afterwards."

Billy Connolly

On 01/06/2016 13:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/06/16 12:34, dennis@home wrote:
On 01/06/2016 10:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Well you obviopusly don't live in te country, where dogs work, and where
breed is very important, and people select on breed even when its a pet,
because they want a specific characteristic. For example, I dont think
there is a single instance of a baby ever being mailed by a black
labrador. But it happens with other breeds.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-Harbour.html


Well i stand corrected, I cant understand what must have happened there.




AIUI you were making wild claims without a clue as to reality.
Situation normal.

On 01/06/16 14:09, dennis@home wrote:
On 01/06/2016 13:01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/06/16 12:34, dennis@home wrote:
On 01/06/2016 10:48, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Well you obviopusly don't live in te country, where dogs work, and
where
breed is very important, and people select on breed even when its a
pet,
because they want a specific characteristic. For example, I dont think
there is a single instance of a baby ever being mailed by a black
labrador. But it happens with other breeds.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-Harbour.html



Well i stand corrected, I cant understand what must have happened there.




AIUI you were making wild claims without a clue as to reality.
Situation normal.

I think you will find that the article actually backs up my assertion
that black labradors are noted for their docility.

But of course you cant wait for any chance for an ad hominem can you?


--
The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all
private property.

Karl Marx

On 01/06/2016 14:22, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
8

I think you will find that the article actually backs up my assertion
that black labradors are noted for their docility.


But of course you cant wait for any chance for an ad hominem can you?



That's your job and you do it very well.
You have demonstrated that you need no reason at all to do it.

In article , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 31/05/16 23:33, bert wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 31/05/16 21:23, bert wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 31/05/16 20:03, ARW wrote:
"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 31 May 2016 18:27:20 +0100, ARW wrote:

The majority of 'pedigree' dogs come from Puppy Farms in Eastern
Europe
in the first place.

Ireland mostly

Can you fetch a dog in from Eastern Europe without rabies
quarantine/rabies vaccination?

If it has a pet passport, and has had all the jabs etc.
https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad/travel-within-the-eu

There's free travel between the UK and RoI, though.

What the conspiracy theorists forget is that the entire point of a
PEDIGREE dog is that you know EXACTLY where it was bred and where the
ancestors for several generations were bred. It's kinda the whole
point
of a PEDIGREE dog...



Thick ****s pay a OTT for them (no names mentioned) so that they can
spend a load more cash on vet's bill due to the Bob's your Uncle
genes.
They think they get a better dog then a mongrel.

If you want a characteristic specific to a breed, then you DO get a
better dog than a mongrel. It all depends what you want.

Labradors have soft mouths. terriers don't. What a cross between them
would have is in the lap of the gods.

And yet these idiots pay way over the odds for cross breeds just because
they are called designer dogs.

*shrug* If that's what they want, who am I to stop them?

I am not my brother's dog's keeper, I am no lefty****.




And you're pro0bably not involved in dog rescues picking up the pieces
when they realise what a mess they've have got.

If they do that, then shoot the dog if its dangerous or rehome it if
its not, and fine the owners.



Or fine the breeders?
--
bert

In article , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 31/05/16 23:38, bert wrote:
In article , polygonum
writes
On 31/05/2016 21:34, Tim Streater wrote:

Pedigree is a load of cock anyway. These dogs with funny snouts and all
the rest of it should be severely discouraged. Up with mongrels!

Funny how I detect a general whiff of mongrelism being good in dogs,
less good in humans. :-) (Not meant to be a direct response to you, Tim.)

Well the Egyptians were keen on line breeding and look what happened to
them. Depends what you want. Dog breeds were mostly developed for a
working purpose and that's where the pedigrees were important. Nowadays
they are mostly associated with the show world.

Well you obviopusly don't live in te country, where dogs work,
Well I live in the UK where some dogs work and I work one myself, but I
would say the majority of breeds are no longer used for the working
purpose for which they were bred.
and where breed is very important, and people select on breed even
when its a pet, because they want a specific characteristic. For
example, I dont think there is a single instance of a baby ever being
mailed by a black labrador.
I'm not sure that Labs are bred for the fact they don't maul babies.
But it happens with other breeds.

What, they are bred to maul babies?


--
bert