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On 31/03/2016 10:51, Bob Martin wrote:
Remember who you are giving your money to when you shop in B & Q

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Brian Gaff posted about this last week: 'This was not the living wage
idea at all B/Q!'

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Unfortunately they're unlikely to back down.

From personal experience and comments generally on here
about going into B&Q midweek certainly it seems they're
often almost deserted, and sadly can't even justify the
level of staffing they currently carry.

All that boycotting them will achieve is to lead to further
cuts.

Like it or not, the law says that the Board's first responsibility
is to the shareholders and not the employees. And until that
changes, which is highly unlikely the employees will
always be first to get it in the neck. Same as Asda
currently cutting back on staff canteens and other
"perks".

As to this particular chap's piece, I very much doubt his
experience is much different from employees or managers of
any of the sheds right now. They're all feeling the pinch
only it never gets in the newspapers.


michael adams

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Yes I posted this when it went up, they have blitzed radio and tv with
adverts. My guess is that this is because the DIY side now has lots of
competition from other companies, including supermarket chains. The point is
though, that they should be honest with workers about things and maybe close
a few of their outlets to save omoney but their main issue is their proices
and quality.
Brian

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On 31/03/2016 10:51, Bob Martin wrote:
Remember who you are giving your money to when you shop in B & Q

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Brian Gaff posted about this last week: 'This was not the living wage idea
at all B/Q!'

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"Bob Martin" wrote in message
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Remember who you are giving your money to when you shop in B & Q

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Unfortunately they're unlikely to back down.

From personal experience and comments generally on here
about going into B&Q midweek certainly it seems they're
often almost deserted, and sadly can't even justify the
level of staffing they currently carry.

All that boycotting them will achieve is to lead to further
cuts.

Like it or not, the law says that the Board's first responsibility
is to the shareholders and not the employees. And until that
changes, which is highly unlikely the employees will
always be first to get it in the neck. Same as Asda
currently cutting back on staff canteens and other
"perks".

As to this particular chap's piece, I very much doubt his
experience is much different from employees or managers of
any of the sheds right now. They're all feeling the pinch
only it never gets in the newspapers.


michael adams

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The culture in Asda seems to preclude any management funded perks.

A hi-fi or TV in the canteen is usually accompanied by a sign
saying it was provided by the "colleagues circle"

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On Thursday, 31 March 2016 10:51:27 UTC+1, Bob Martin wrote:
Remember who you are giving your money to when you shop in B & Q

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Not enough people doing DIY, that's why.
Idle gits just want everything done for them.

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On Thursday, 31 March 2016 10:51:27 UTC+1, Bob Martin wrote:
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Not enough people doing DIY, that's why.

Yes.

Idle gits just want everything done for them.

Or far more of them are renting and aren't allowed
to do anything like as much DIY as owners can do.

On 13/04/2016 07:23, Rod Speed wrote:


"harry" wrote in message
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On Thursday, 31 March 2016 10:51:27 UTC+1, Bob Martin wrote:
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Not enough people doing DIY, that's why.

Yes.

Idle gits just want everything done for them.

Or far more of them are renting and aren't allowed
to do anything like as much DIY as owners can do.

Indeed - private renting has gone up a fair bit the past few years -
almost doubled to about 17%

Also confusion - a mate of mine (natural and social science degrees so
not completely soft) thinks you need to employ a 'qualified electrician'
to change a plug fuse.

And I'm not convinced DIY has ever been a mainstream activity. The sheds
might well be there for home owners to browse, occasionally wasting
money on tools they never use, and giving a shopping list to builders etc.

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In article ,
RJH wrote:
Also confusion - a mate of mine (natural and social science degrees so
not completely soft) thinks you need to employ a 'qualified electrician'
to change a plug fuse.

Lots of people choose to believe such things as it suits them. Lets them
off the hook of learning how to DIY.

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RJH wrote
Rod Speed wrote
harry wrote
Bob Martin wrote

Remember who you are giving your money to when you shop in B & Q

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Not enough people doing DIY, that's why.

Yes.

Idle gits just want everything done for them.

Or far more of them are renting and aren't allowed
to do anything like as much DIY as owners can do.

Indeed - private renting has gone up a fair bit the past few years -
almost doubled to about 17%

And by much more than that in the younger age groups
who used to be able to buy very run down property and
DIY it into something very decent. Much harder to do that
today for that age group just because even very run down
hovels are now very expensive in places like London where
most people choose to live for various reasons.

Also confusion - a mate of mine (natural and social science degrees so not
completely soft) thinks you need to employ a 'qualified electrician' to
change a plug fuse.

Sure, but there were also some that ignorant.

And real living standards have improved very dramatically
since the war so that employing someone else do do what
you can do yourself it much more affordable than it used to
be, particularly with so many EU immigrants prepared to
work for peanuts. Even harry used poles to install his second
solar system instead of DIYing that.

And I'm not convinced DIY has ever been a mainstream activity.

Yeah, I know it never was.

The sheds might well be there for home owners to browse, occasionally
wasting money on tools they never use,

I'm not convinced that non DIYers ever buy tools.

Certainly whenever anyone gets me to do something
for them they never have any tools at all and even when
they do a bit of very simple stuff like assembling some
stuff they have got from Ikea etc, borrow mine to do it with.

and giving a shopping list to builders etc.

On Wednesday, 13 April 2016 13:36:25 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
RJH wrote:
Also confusion - a mate of mine (natural and social science degrees so
not completely soft) thinks you need to employ a 'qualified electrician'
to change a plug fuse.

Lots of people choose to believe such things as it suits them. Lets them
off the hook of learning how to DIY.

It could be because they have little or no understanding, our management here are still insisting everything needss to be PAT tested, that's why we have such hign end managment so they can employ such high end managment because they couldn't do anything other than get things wrong. The more you employ the more you need, the more there are the more you manage the higher your salery.

On Wednesday, 13 April 2016 12:50:42 UTC+1, RJH wrote:
On 13/04/2016 07:23, Rod Speed wrote:


"harry" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 31 March 2016 10:51:27 UTC+1, Bob Martin wrote:
Remember who you are giving your money to when you shop in B & Q

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Not enough people doing DIY, that's why.

Yes.

Idle gits just want everything done for them.

Or far more of them are renting and aren't allowed
to do anything like as much DIY as owners can do.

Indeed - private renting has gone up a fair bit the past few years -
almost doubled to about 17%

Also confusion - a mate of mine (natural and social science degrees so
not completely soft) thinks you need to employ a 'qualified electrician'
to change a plug fuse.


A mickey mouse degree.
The living proof there is no link between intelligence, education and common sense.

On Wednesday, 13 April 2016 20:07:59 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
RJH wrote
Rod Speed wrote
harry wrote
Bob Martin wrote

Remember who you are giving your money to when you shop in B & Q

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Not enough people doing DIY, that's why.

Yes.

Idle gits just want everything done for them.

Or far more of them are renting and aren't allowed
to do anything like as much DIY as owners can do.

Indeed - private renting has gone up a fair bit the past few years -
almost doubled to about 17%

And by much more than that in the younger age groups
who used to be able to buy very run down property and
DIY it into something very decent. Much harder to do that
today for that age group just because even very run down
hovels are now very expensive in places like London where
most people choose to live for various reasons.

Also confusion - a mate of mine (natural and social science degrees so not
completely soft) thinks you need to employ a 'qualified electrician' to
change a plug fuse.

Sure, but there were also some that ignorant.

And real living standards have improved very dramatically
since the war so that employing someone else do do what
you can do yourself it much more affordable than it used to
be, particularly with so many EU immigrants prepared to
work for peanuts. Even harry used poles to install his second
solar system instead of DIYing that.

The Poles were sub-contractors and useless ******s.
I was not aware they would be involved.
They had to come back and redo the work.

You are not allowed to install your own solar panels if you want to get the FIT payment.

The work is perfectly straightforward.
Probably even Dennis could do it.

On Thursday, 14 April 2016 11:34:17 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 13 April 2016 13:36:25 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
RJH wrote:
Also confusion - a mate of mine (natural and social science degrees so
not completely soft) thinks you need to employ a 'qualified electrician'
to change a plug fuse.

Lots of people choose to believe such things as it suits them. Lets them
off the hook of learning how to DIY.

It could be because they have little or no understanding, our management here are still insisting everything needss to be PAT tested, that's why we have such hign end managment so they can employ such high end managment because they couldn't do anything other than get things wrong. The more you employ the more you need, the more there are the more you manage the higher your salery.

A PAT tester is devised so it can be used by idiots.
It does nothing that wasn't done fifty years before.

In article ,
harry wrote:
On Thursday, 14 April 2016 11:34:17 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 13 April 2016 13:36:25 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
RJH wrote:
Also confusion - a mate of mine (natural and social science degrees
so not completely soft) thinks you need to employ a 'qualified
electrician' to change a plug fuse.

Lots of people choose to believe such things as it suits them. Lets
them off the hook of learning how to DIY.

It could be because they have little or no understanding, our
management here are still insisting everything needss to be PAT tested,
that's why we have such hign end managment so they can employ such high
end managment because they couldn't do anything other than get things
wrong. The more you employ the more you need, the more there are the
more you manage the higher your salery.

A PAT tester is devised so it can be used by idiots.
It does nothing that wasn't done fifty years before.

with a "Megger". yes. But a PAT tester is a lot quicker - even for
non-idiots.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On 01/04/2016 10:23, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes I posted this when it went up, they have blitzed radio and tv with
adverts. My guess is that this is because the DIY side now has lots of
competition from other companies, including supermarket chains. The point is
though, that they should be honest with workers about things and maybe close
a few of their outlets to save money.

They have, a local one has downsized.

The current labour market is one where there is an excess of workers
chasing jobs. The living wage will make that more so.

I would have hoped greater attempts and calls for redressing this
balance rather than force companies to pay above the market rate and
whinge when they have a sound labour market policy.

"harry" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 13 April 2016 20:07:59 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
RJH wrote
Rod Speed wrote
harry wrote
Bob Martin wrote

Remember who you are giving your money to when you shop in B & Q

https://www.change.org/p/don-t-use-living-wage-as-excuse-to-cut-pay-benefits?utm_source=action_alert&utm_medium=email& utm_campaign=551765&alert_id=yfNDksMNIp_87xopCltZY IXxdbsMchWiS0sObnpTZ98rXgpPdAukvYSBsUtBRk7vYX8%2By SsNjq6

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Not enough people doing DIY, that's why.

Yes.

Idle gits just want everything done for them.

Or far more of them are renting and aren't allowed
to do anything like as much DIY as owners can do.

Indeed - private renting has gone up a fair bit the past few years -
almost doubled to about 17%

And by much more than that in the younger age groups
who used to be able to buy very run down property and
DIY it into something very decent. Much harder to do that
today for that age group just because even very run down
hovels are now very expensive in places like London where
most people choose to live for various reasons.

Also confusion - a mate of mine (natural and social science degrees so
not
completely soft) thinks you need to employ a 'qualified electrician' to
change a plug fuse.

Sure, but there were also some that ignorant.

And real living standards have improved very dramatically
since the war so that employing someone else do do what
you can do yourself it much more affordable than it used to
be, particularly with so many EU immigrants prepared to
work for peanuts. Even harry used poles to install his second
solar system instead of DIYing that.

The Poles were sub-contractors and useless ******s.
I was not aware they would be involved.

And you were too stupid to order them off the site
when they showed up and employ locals instead.

They had to come back and redo the work.

You are not allowed to install your own solar
panels if you want to get the FIT payment.

Even more pig ignorant than you usually manage.

I wasn't allowed to wire my house.

I did it anyway and got a license
electrician to say he had done it.

The work is perfectly straightforward.
Probably even Dennis could do it.

And you were actually stupid enough to let poles do it.

In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes I posted this when it went up, they have blitzed radio and tv with
adverts. My guess is that this is because the DIY side now has lots of
competition from other companies, including supermarket chains. The
point is though, that they should be honest with workers about things
and maybe close a few of their outlets to save omoney but their main
issue is their proices and quality.

It's a long time since they were expanding. They've closed two branches
round here over the years - and can't remember when they've opened a new
one.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Friday, 15 April 2016 08:29:23 UTC+1, harry wrote:
On Thursday, 14 April 2016 11:34:17 UTC+1, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 13 April 2016 13:36:25 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
RJH wrote:
Also confusion - a mate of mine (natural and social science degrees so
not completely soft) thinks you need to employ a 'qualified electrician'
to change a plug fuse.

Lots of people choose to believe such things as it suits them. Lets them
off the hook of learning how to DIY.

It could be because they have little or no understanding, our management here are still insisting everything needss to be PAT tested, that's why we have such hign end managment so they can employ such high end managment because they couldn't do anything other than get things wrong. The more you employ the more you need, the more there are the more you manage the higher your salery.

A PAT tester is devised so it can be used by idiots.
It does nothing that wasn't done fifty years before.

except the trust of an adminitator that believes using such a device makes the applience safe enough to use and that you can't get sued if the device or lead is faulty.

On 15/04/2016 08:27, harry wrote:

You are not allowed to install your own solar panels if you want to get the FIT payment.

But if you want to save the planet you would do it without the FITs.


The work is perfectly straightforward.
Probably even Dennis could do it.


Anyone could do it except you.

The panels just plug into the inverter (with the mandatory isolator in
the way.
The inverter just connects to a spare way in the consumer unit via
another isolator and the meter if you want to claim FITs.

The difficult bit is the scaffolding.

Fredxxx" wrote in message
...
On 01/04/2016 10:23, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes I posted this when it went up, they have blitzed radio and tv with
adverts. My guess is that this is because the DIY side now has lots of
competition from other companies, including supermarket chains. The point
is
though, that they should be honest with workers about things and maybe
close
a few of their outlets to save money.

They have, a local one has downsized.

The current labour market is one where there is an excess of workers
chasing jobs.

And yet Britain has one of the lowest unemployment
rates of the majors in europe.

The living wage will make that more so.

Not necessarily by enough to matter.

I would have hoped greater attempts and calls for redressing this balance

Not even possible to do that.

rather than force companies to pay above the market rate and whinge when
they have a sound labour market policy.