OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

In article ,
Tim Lamb wrote:
One of the reasons folks stay a long time in the shower is the effort
it takes to soap and dance about to make sure the job is thorough
enough. Bit like washing plates under a running tap. Long....

Shower gell dispenser and sponge? Wash the bits facing away from the
shower head and then turn round. Mind, I use a 1200x800 shower rather
than struggle in a bath.

Yes - gel is far quicker than a soap bar. Don't care if it costs more.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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In article ,
GB wrote:
On 09/03/2016 19:46, Jonno wrote:

GB is the turnip's sock. Naughty

Am I? Damned if I knew that! Who is the Turnip?

Mr Rees-Turnip. Self appointed sage of this group.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

On 10/03/16 15:13, GB wrote:
On 09/03/2016 19:46, Jonno wrote:

GB is the turnip's sock. Naughty

Am I? Damned if I knew that! Who is the Turnip?

Well apparently he means me, but I don't have any sock puppets, so
basically Rod the morpher is lying as per usual.

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twenty-first centurys developed world went into hysterical panic over a
globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to
contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

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OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

whisky-dave wrote
GB wrote
Andy Burns wrote
David wrote

"The average 10-minute shower uses 60 litres of water. A power
shower uses three times that and a bath about 80 litres

If I put the plug in while having a power shower, the bath is about
half full by the end, not flooding the bathroom as that suggests ...

http://www.waterwise.org.uk/news.php...misconceptions

"According to the study, the average eight-minute shower
used 62 litres of hot water, and some power showers can
use up to 136 litres, compared with an average bath's 80 litres. ...

Our own research shows that a 'waterwise shower' - getting the job done
in four minutes under a water-efficient showerhead -uses just 32 litres."

If I have a bath, I often let some of the water out, so I can run
more hot in. I wonder whether that's been allowed for?

They haven't mentioned anything about how efective a shower and bath are.

True.

is a 10 miniute shower as effective as a 30 min bath ?

Much more effective for some things, particularly for washing the head and
hair etc.

I wouldn;t bother getting in the bath for less
than 30 mins usually I'm in for at least an hour.

I haven't bothered with a bath for more than 55
years and that wasn't a proper bath either, one
of those silly square things with the shower in it.

And it's not as much fun farting in the shower as it is in the bath.

You're the farty 'person'

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Warning - long ramble.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...r-once-a-week-
polluting-environment

Shock horror, gruniad article that is technically illiterate...

Long time since I've bought any newspaper, but are you implying there are
others which are generally technically literate?

He's saying the exact opposite with his 'shock horror', stupid.

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

Rod Speed wrote:

is a 10 miniute shower as effective as a 30 min bath ?

Much more effective for some things, particularly for washing the head and
hair etc.

But absolute rubbish for scrubbing dirt off your feet, knees, etc.

--
Chris Green
·

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

On 10/03/2016 15:12, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Warning - long ramble.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...r-once-a-week-
polluting-environment

Shock horror, gruniad article that is technically illiterate...

Long time since I've bought any newspaper, but are you implying there are
others which are generally technically literate?

No, I would not want to go that far! Perhaps just that there are
relative levels of technical illiteracy, with that one setting the lower
fixed point!


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OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Warning - long ramble.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...r-once-a-week-
polluting-environment

Shock horror, gruniad article that is technically illiterate...

Long time since I've bought any newspaper, but are you implying there
are others which are generally technically literate?

He's saying the exact opposite with his 'shock horror', stupid.

You really should go to night school and learn how to understand the
nuances of English. It's never too late to learn.

--
*Rehab is for quitters

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

On Thursday, 10 March 2016 20:04:27 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
GB wrote
Andy Burns wrote
David wrote

"The average 10-minute shower uses 60 litres of water. A power
shower uses three times that and a bath about 80 litres

If I put the plug in while having a power shower, the bath is about
half full by the end, not flooding the bathroom as that suggests ...

http://www.waterwise.org.uk/news.php...misconceptions

"According to the study, the average eight-minute shower
used 62 litres of hot water, and some power showers can
use up to 136 litres, compared with an average bath's 80 litres. ...

Our own research shows that a 'waterwise shower' - getting the job done
in four minutes under a water-efficient showerhead -uses just 32 litres."

If I have a bath, I often let some of the water out, so I can run
more hot in. I wonder whether that's been allowed for?

They haven't mentioned anything about how efective a shower and bath are.

True.

is a 10 miniute shower as effective as a 30 min bath ?

Much more effective for some things, particularly for washing the head and
hair etc.

I dont; wash my head or hair while having a bath.
I do tend to feel cleaner afetr a bath than a shower and I alwas feel more relaxed after a bath than a shower, maybe it;'s because a shower is meant to be quick, while a bath is a place where you relax, dream and fart ;-)

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 10 March 2016 20:04:27 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
GB wrote
Andy Burns wrote
David wrote

"The average 10-minute shower uses 60 litres of water. A power
shower uses three times that and a bath about 80 litres

If I put the plug in while having a power shower, the bath is about
half full by the end, not flooding the bathroom as that suggests ...

http://www.waterwise.org.uk/news.php...misconceptions

"According to the study, the average eight-minute shower used 62
litres of hot water, and some power showers can use up to 136
litres, compared with an average bath's 80 litres. ...

Our own research shows that a 'waterwise shower' - getting the job
done in four minutes under a water-efficient showerhead -uses just
32 litres."

If I have a bath, I often let some of the water out, so I can run
more hot in. I wonder whether that's been allowed for?

They haven't mentioned anything about how efective a shower and bath
are.

True.

is a 10 miniute shower as effective as a 30 min bath ?

Much more effective for some things, particularly for washing the head
and hair etc.

I dont; wash my head or hair while having a bath. I do tend to feel
cleaner afetr a bath than a shower and I alwas feel more relaxed after a
bath than a shower, maybe it;'s because a shower is meant to be quick,
while a bath is a place where you relax, dream and fart ;-)


and you can have a glass of something while you are relaxing.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

On Friday, 11 March 2016 15:29:14 UTC, charles wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 10 March 2016 20:04:27 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
GB wrote
Andy Burns wrote
David wrote

"The average 10-minute shower uses 60 litres of water. A power
shower uses three times that and a bath about 80 litres

If I put the plug in while having a power shower, the bath is about
half full by the end, not flooding the bathroom as that suggests ...

http://www.waterwise.org.uk/news.php...misconceptions

"According to the study, the average eight-minute shower used 62
litres of hot water, and some power showers can use up to 136
litres, compared with an average bath's 80 litres. ...

Our own research shows that a 'waterwise shower' - getting the job
done in four minutes under a water-efficient showerhead -uses just
32 litres."

If I have a bath, I often let some of the water out, so I can run
more hot in. I wonder whether that's been allowed for?

They haven't mentioned anything about how efective a shower and bath
are.

True.

is a 10 miniute shower as effective as a 30 min bath ?

Much more effective for some things, particularly for washing the head
and hair etc.

I dont; wash my head or hair while having a bath. I do tend to feel
cleaner afetr a bath than a shower and I alwas feel more relaxed after a
bath than a shower, maybe it;'s because a shower is meant to be quick,
while a bath is a place where you relax, dream and fart ;-)


and you can have a glass of something while you are relaxing.

Hardly worth opening a bottle just for one glass. ;-)

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Warning - long ramble.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...r-once-a-week-
polluting-environment

Shock horror, gruniad article that is technically illiterate...

Long time since I've bought any newspaper, but are you implying there
are others which are generally technically literate?

He's saying the exact opposite with his 'shock horror', stupid.

You really should go to night school and learn how to understand the
nuances of English. It's never too late to learn.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Warning - long ramble.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...r-once-a-week-
polluting-environment

Shock horror, gruniad article that is technically illiterate...

Long time since I've bought any newspaper, but are you implying there
are others which are generally technically literate?

He's saying the exact opposite with his 'shock horror', stupid.

You really should go to night school and learn how to understand the
nuances of English. It's never too late to learn.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

You give up too easily.

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
GB wrote
Andy Burns wrote
David wrote

"The average 10-minute shower uses 60 litres of water. A power
shower uses three times that and a bath about 80 litres

If I put the plug in while having a power shower, the bath is about
half full by the end, not flooding the bathroom as that suggests ...

http://www.waterwise.org.uk/news.php...misconceptions

"According to the study, the average eight-minute shower
used 62 litres of hot water, and some power showers can
use up to 136 litres, compared with an average bath's 80 litres. ...

Our own research shows that a 'waterwise shower' - getting the job done
in four minutes under a water-efficient showerhead -uses just 32
litres."

If I have a bath, I often let some of the water out, so I can run
more hot in. I wonder whether that's been allowed for?

They haven't mentioned anything about how efective a shower and bath
are.

True.

is a 10 miniute shower as effective as a 30 min bath ?

Much more effective for some things, particularly for washing the head
and hair etc.

I dont; wash my head or hair while having a bath.

So its rather less effective than a shower where you can do that if you want
to.

I do tend to feel cleaner afetr a bath than a shower

More fool you when you have actually been wallowing
in your filth the entire time you were in the bath.

and I alwas feel more relaxed after a bath than a shower,

That's because you are either lying down or sitting in the bath, stupid.

maybe it;'s because a shower is meant to be quick,
while a bath is a place where you relax, dream and fart ;-)

That's what I meant about wallowing in your filth.

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
You really should go to night school and learn how to understand the
nuances of English. It's never too late to learn.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

And if you did, you might just learn a few new phrases.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

in 1467888 20160311 134223 whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 10 March 2016 20:04:27 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
GB wrote
Andy Burns wrote
David wrote

"The average 10-minute shower uses 60 litres of water. A power
shower uses three times that and a bath about 80 litres

If I put the plug in while having a power shower, the bath is about
half full by the end, not flooding the bathroom as that suggests ...

http://www.waterwise.org.uk/news.php...misconceptions

"According to the study, the average eight-minute shower
used 62 litres of hot water, and some power showers can
use up to 136 litres, compared with an average bath's 80 litres. ...

Our own research shows that a 'waterwise shower' - getting the job done
in four minutes under a water-efficient showerhead -uses just 32 litres."

If I have a bath, I often let some of the water out, so I can run
more hot in. I wonder whether that's been allowed for?

They haven't mentioned anything about how efective a shower and bath are.

True.

is a 10 miniute shower as effective as a 30 min bath ?

Much more effective for some things, particularly for washing the head and
hair etc.

I dont; wash my head or hair while having a bath.
I do tend to feel cleaner afetr a bath than a shower and I alwas feel more relaxed after a bath tha
n a shower, maybe it;'s because a shower is meant to be quick, while a bath is a place where you rel
ax, dream and fart ;-)

"Only humans and hippopotami wash in their own dirty water"

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...
in 1467888 20160311 134223 whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 10 March 2016 20:04:27 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
GB wrote
Andy Burns wrote
David wrote

"The average 10-minute shower uses 60 litres of water. A power
shower uses three times that and a bath about 80 litres

If I put the plug in while having a power shower, the bath is about
half full by the end, not flooding the bathroom as that suggests ...

http://www.waterwise.org.uk/news.php...misconceptions

"According to the study, the average eight-minute shower
used 62 litres of hot water, and some power showers can
use up to 136 litres, compared with an average bath's 80 litres. ...

Our own research shows that a 'waterwise shower' - getting the job
done
in four minutes under a water-efficient showerhead -uses just 32
litres."

If I have a bath, I often let some of the water out, so I can run
more hot in. I wonder whether that's been allowed for?

They haven't mentioned anything about how efective a shower and bath
are.

True.

is a 10 miniute shower as effective as a 30 min bath ?

Much more effective for some things, particularly for washing the head
and
hair etc.

I dont; wash my head or hair while having a bath.
I do tend to feel cleaner afetr a bath than a shower and I alwas feel more
relaxed after a bath tha
n a shower, maybe it;'s because a shower is meant to be quick, while a
bath is a place where you rel
ax, dream and fart ;-)

"Only humans and hippopotami wash in their own dirty water"

Dunno, pigs do tend to wallow in ****, water buffalo etc and crocodiles and
elephants too.

Corse even those aren't actually so unspeakable as to fart in the the bath
too.

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 09/03/2016 13:27, David wrote:
Warning - long ramble.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...r-once-a-week-
polluting-environment

Shock horror, gruniad article that is technically illiterate...

Not quite.

It was an opinion piece. A polemic, headed

Ethical and green living Opinion

Written by an environmental blogger with an unpronounceable
name who may or may not have been paid very much.
Unlike a full time Guardian staffer, assuming there are
any left of course.

And was In the paper's Comment is Free section

Basically it was clickbait, which seems to have worked as
it generated 3419 comments. To say nothing of the comments on here

The "Guardian" was among the first newspapers to pay an serious
attention to personal computers, other than odd bits here and there
elsewhere, with an entire pull out computer section starting as
far back in 1985.

But even in back in the good old days when they actually had paid
readers, all newspapers needed to appeal to the general reader, rather
than nerds; and so they needed to employ journalists who could write
for that general reader on a wide variety of topics. Hence to the
specialist or the especially knowledgeable a lot of what appears in
newspapers may well seem to him or her quite simply wrong or overly
simplistic at best.

Which isn't to say that in the past there haven't been authoritative
voices writing across a variety of different titles. But those
days are probably gone.


michael adams

....

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

"Huge Usenet-Tourette" (real name probably something rather
unfortunate such as "Leslie Smellie")
wrote in message ...


It's the Grauniad. It's arsewipe.


I somehow doubt, even in the days when it was a broadsheet with
weekend supplements "The Guardian" could have coped with the
amount of effluent you pump out on a regular basis

From both ends, it maybe goes without saying.


michael adams

....

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

In article ,
michael adams wrote:
It's the Grauniad. It's arsewipe.


I somehow doubt, even in the days when it was a broadsheet with
weekend supplements "The Guardian" could have coped with the
amount of effluent you pump out on a regular basis

When I see comments like that about a paper, it would be nice to know what
the writer reads himself. In his case, probably The Mail.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
michael adams wrote:
It's the Grauniad. It's arsewipe.


I somehow doubt, even in the days when it was a broadsheet with
weekend supplements "The Guardian" could have coped with the
amount of effluent you pump out on a regular basis

When I see comments like that about a paper, it would be nice to know what
the writer reads himself. In his case, probably The Mail.

He probably gets to see it after the wife and the daily woman
have finished with it.


michael adams

....

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
michael adams wrote:
It's the Grauniad. It's arsewipe.


I somehow doubt, even in the days when it was a broadsheet with
weekend supplements "The Guardian" could have coped with the
amount of effluent you pump out on a regular basis

When I see comments like that about a paper, it would be nice to
know what the writer reads himself. In his case, probably The Mail.

More likely he doesn’t bother with a paper at all anymore.

That's why they are all going broke.

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

On 10/03/2016 09:19, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , Tim Lamb
escribió:

. Mind, I use a 1200x800 shower rather
than struggle in a bath.

2500mm x 2000mm

Wet room. :)

Keep talking guys. My new shower is still on the drawing board. Now we
have a second bathroom the bath in the main one can go ;)

Andy

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

In message , Vir
Campestris writes
On 10/03/2016 09:19, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , Tim Lamb
escribió:

. Mind, I use a 1200x800 shower rather
than struggle in a bath.

2500mm x 2000mm

Wet room. :)

Keep talking guys. My new shower is still on the drawing board. Now we
have a second bathroom the bath in the main one can go ;)

Everything is under consideration!

Impending new house re-model. By re-jigging the existing bathroom, I can
fit a 1200x800 shower. There will be a bath/toilet/basins/bidet next to
the master bedroom but I am getting pressurised about a wet room!
I think this stems from my wife having seen one installed at the home of
a disabled friend. My sole experience was one in a hotel bedroom in
Sweden.

ISTM you need underfloor heating, lots of air extraction, heated towel
rails and...? There may be space in the new ground floor extension but
is it going to be used or just a feminine fad about cleaning bathrooms?

Also, what is two basins per bathroom about? His and hers? Joint
occupation?
--
Tim Lamb

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

En el artículo , Tim Lamb
escribió:

Impending new house re-model. By re-jigging the existing bathroom, I can
fit a 1200x800 shower. There will be a bath/toilet/basins/bidet next to
the master bedroom but I am getting pressurised about a wet room!

It's great. No silly screens to bang your elbows against, no silly
curtain to cling to you.

Basically a fully tiled room with a giant rose sticking out of the
ceiling. It's not power driven, the mains water pressure is high. Runs
off a 28kW combo. Wall mounted thermostatic controls (simple ones:
water on/off and temperature. No daft electronics to go wrong)

ISTM you need underfloor heating

In winter, yes. Or leave the shower running a couple of minutes before
jumping in and the hot water soon warms the floor.

, lots of air extraction,

extractor fan with humidistat.

Cleaning is easy. When finished showering, leave the water running,
throw a bit of washing up liquid about and wash down all surfaces with
one of those telescopic window cleaning efforts. Two minutes.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) Bunny says: Windows 10? Nein danke!
(")_(")

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

In message , Mike Tomlinson
writes
En el artículo , Tim Lamb
escribió:

Impending new house re-model. By re-jigging the existing bathroom, I can
fit a 1200x800 shower. There will be a bath/toilet/basins/bidet next to
the master bedroom but I am getting pressurised about a wet room!

It's great. No silly screens to bang your elbows against, no silly
curtain to cling to you.

Basically a fully tiled room with a giant rose sticking out of the
ceiling. It's not power driven, the mains water pressure is high. Runs
off a 28kW combo. Wall mounted thermostatic controls (simple ones:
water on/off and temperature. No daft electronics to go wrong)

ISTM you need underfloor heating

In winter, yes. Or leave the shower running a couple of minutes before
jumping in and the hot water soon warms the floor.

, lots of air extraction,

extractor fan with humidistat.

Cleaning is easy. When finished showering, leave the water running,
throw a bit of washing up liquid about and wash down all surfaces with
one of those telescopic window cleaning efforts. Two minutes.

Hmmm.. Including toilet, basin etc?

Concur on the *silly curtain* bit but a decent shower base avoids elbow
banging. I suppose there are long term geriatric considerations.


--
Tim Lamb

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
...
In message , Mike Tomlinson
writes
En el artículo , Tim Lamb
escribió:

Impending new house re-model. By re-jigging the existing bathroom, I can
fit a 1200x800 shower. There will be a bath/toilet/basins/bidet next to
the master bedroom but I am getting pressurised about a wet room!

It's great. No silly screens to bang your elbows against, no silly
curtain to cling to you.

Basically a fully tiled room with a giant rose sticking out of the
ceiling. It's not power driven, the mains water pressure is high. Runs
off a 28kW combo. Wall mounted thermostatic controls (simple ones:
water on/off and temperature. No daft electronics to go wrong)

ISTM you need underfloor heating

In winter, yes. Or leave the shower running a couple of minutes before
jumping in and the hot water soon warms the floor.

, lots of air extraction,

extractor fan with humidistat.

Cleaning is easy. When finished showering, leave the water running,
throw a bit of washing up liquid about and wash down all surfaces with
one of those telescopic window cleaning efforts. Two minutes.

Hmmm.. Including toilet, basin etc?

IMO they are only viable with a separate toilet which is the
only way to go regardless of how the bathroom is done.

Concur on the *silly curtain* bit but a decent shower base avoids elbow
banging. I suppose there are long term geriatric considerations.

OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)
 

On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 08:47:56 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote:

In message , Vir
Campestris writes
On 10/03/2016 09:19, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Tim Lamb
escribió:

. Mind, I use a 1200x800 shower rather than struggle in a bath.

2500mm x 2000mm

Wet room. :)

Keep talking guys. My new shower is still on the drawing board. Now we
have a second bathroom the bath in the main one can go ;)

Everything is under consideration!

Impending new house re-model. By re-jigging the existing bathroom, I can
fit a 1200x800 shower. There will be a bath/toilet/basins/bidet next to
the master bedroom but I am getting pressurised about a wet room!
I think this stems from my wife having seen one installed at the home of
a disabled friend. My sole experience was one in a hotel bedroom in
Sweden.

ISTM you need underfloor heating, lots of air extraction, heated towel
rails and...? There may be space in the new ground floor extension but
is it going to be used or just a feminine fad about cleaning bathrooms?

Also, what is two basins per bathroom about? His and hers? Joint
occupation?

Wet rooms are a "good thing" if you recognise that in the future you may
be less mobile, perhaps even wheelchair bound.

Our ground floor wet room is roughly 1.8m * 2.4m and include a wash hand
basin and toilet.

Large sliding door as well.

All planned out with special dipped area for the shower, but one newbie
cock up.

We laid the main floor flat because we thought the dished area would
gather up all the water.

We should have put a very slight slope on the floor as well, into the
corner where the shower is.

We ended up with a shower curtain as well to minimise the slow trickle of
water towards the door.

No underfloor heating (but we have insulated suspended floors).

We have a heated towel rail as part of the CH but the wet room is in the
centre of the house so doesn't need much heating.

Lots of air extraction, yes, but this is the standard for the other rooms
as well. The space above the wet room is where the extractor fans sit. A
bit like a nest of space age rugby balls.

Wet rooms are good as long as you recognise that the name tells it all -
the room gets wet. So you need space between the shower and the rest of
the room. You can get very nice free standing glass panels if you are
planning for the fully mobile, but these conflict with wheel chair access.

Cheers


Dave R


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In message , David
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Wet rooms are good as long as you recognise that the name tells it all -
the room gets wet. So you need space between the shower and the rest of
the room. You can get very nice free standing glass panels if you are
planning for the fully mobile, but these conflict with wheel chair access.

OK. Slope the floor:-)

How does showering with a wheelchair work?

Bit in the weekend Telegraph about separating ceramic floor tiles from
underfloor heated screed. (anti-crack matting) Anyone used it?

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Huge wrote:
On 2016-03-15, wrote:

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Our ground floor wet room is roughly 1.8m * 2.4m and include a wash hand
basin and toilet.

And perpetually damp toilet paper& towels.

(One of the excellent things about usually renting a house for holidays
is that you discover how dumb things like wet rooms, AGAs and ceramic sinks
(especially underslung& butler ones) are, and how poorly designed many
kitchens are.)



I can agree with most of those sentiments. The kitchen designer's /
buiulder's house I visited, was a perfect example, with a butler sink
(death to crockery!) and no overflow. The outlet blocked and the
chipboard cupboards and hardwood floors all flooded!

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On 15/03/16 21:20, Huge wrote:
On 2016-03-15, David wrote:

[35 lines snipped]

Our ground floor wet room is roughly 1.8m * 2.4m and include a wash hand
basin and toilet.

And perpetually damp toilet paper & towels.

(One of the excellent things about usually renting a house for holidays
is that you discover how dumb things like wet rooms, AGAs and ceramic sinks
(especially underslung & butler ones) are, and how poorly designed many
kitchens are.)


The underslung belfast I agree with and probably the aga (Devon
cottage). Wetrooms can be nice if they have good UFH (forest cabins,
Forest of Dean) as that dries them out pretty fast. But if poorly heated
by a rusty towel rail in the corner, I'd dread to think!

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En el artículo , Tim Lamb
escribió:

Hmmm.. Including toilet, basin etc?

Yes.

Concur on the *silly curtain* bit but a decent shower base avoids elbow
banging.

I had a 1200x800 glass-sided walk-in cubicle installed in the last house
and that was great, but this is even better.

I suppose there are long term geriatric considerations.

Heh. Thanks. I'm not that old.

I guess it's one of those things you love or loathe. I also had the
washing machine in the bathroom in my last place, that caused some silly
****ers on here to have conniptions.

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En el artículo , Mike Tomlinson
escribió:

I had a 1200x800 glass-sided walk-in cubicle installed in the last house
and that was great, but this is even better.

ps. a wet room also allows showers à deux, à trois, etc. Great fun if
you're sufficiently open-minded, which I think rules out a lot of
posters to this group.

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In message , Mike Tomlinson
writes
En el artículo , Mike Tomlinson
escribió:

I had a 1200x800 glass-sided walk-in cubicle installed in the last house
and that was great, but this is even better.

ps. a wet room also allows showers à deux, à trois, etc. Great fun if
you're sufficiently open-minded, which I think rules out a lot of
posters to this group.

You actually know a woman who doesn't mind getting her hair wet in a
shower?


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In message , Huge
writes

(One of the excellent things about usually renting a house for holidays
is that you discover how dumb things like wet rooms, AGAs and ceramic sinks
(especially underslung & butler ones) are, and how poorly designed many
kitchens are.)

Detailed evidence please.

Why is it housewives have this yearning for huge Butlers sinks? How
often do they really struggle to clean roasting pans?

On AGAs.. I will soon be disposing of a 20 year old, virtually unused,
gas fired, Rayburn range cooker:-(


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In message , Tim Lamb
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Why is it housewives have this yearning for huge Butlers sinks? How
often do they really struggle to clean roasting pans?

Tell me about it. We have an original Butler sink in what was the
scullery, and Wifey wants it in the kitchen. I have resisted for the
last 14 years, and have no intention of giving up now :-)

On AGAs.. I will soon be disposing of a 20 year old, virtually unused,
gas fired, Rayburn range cooker:-(

We had a solid fuel range in our last house, and absolutely loved it.
The only thing that stops me installing one here (apart from cost!) is
the thought of dragging fuel in and ashes out as the years pass.
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On 16/03/16 09:07, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Huge
writes

(One of the excellent things about usually renting a house for holidays
is that you discover how dumb things like wet rooms, AGAs and ceramic
sinks
(especially underslung & butler ones) are, and how poorly designed many
kitchens are.)

Detailed evidence please.

Why is it housewives have this yearning for huge Butlers sinks? How
often do they really struggle to clean roasting pans?

I have a large stainless sink[1] which fulfils that purpose with none of
the disadvantages.

[1] WHY do people fit those stupid twin sinks - when having the same
space in one large sink is far more useful?

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In message , Tim Watts
writes
On 16/03/16 09:07, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Huge
writes

(One of the excellent things about usually renting a house for holidays
is that you discover how dumb things like wet rooms, AGAs and ceramic
sinks
(especially underslung & butler ones) are, and how poorly designed many
kitchens are.)

Detailed evidence please.

Why is it housewives have this yearning for huge Butlers sinks? How
often do they really struggle to clean roasting pans?

I have a large stainless sink[1] which fulfils that purpose with none
of the disadvantages.

[1] WHY do people fit those stupid twin sinks - when having the same
space in one large sink is far more useful?

We have modest sized twin sinks. (hence the butlers ambition). The small
one is fitted with a strainer insert to gather vegetable peelings etc.
There is a full size ceramic sink on legs in the utility area where
d-i-y folk are directed to wash (something to do with not liking soap
splashes near the kitchen sink. I think it is just territorial!) So...
on arrival at the utility sink with muddy/greasy hands one encounters
problems. The first being that someone has decided that the ideal
location for the backup toilet roll is on the nice flat top of the
Swarfega container. The second is that the sink is the only desirable
place for the bucket/bowl containing clothes having a pre-wash soak!

I could go on...


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Tim Watts wrote:
WHY do people fit those stupid twin sinks - when having the same
space in one large sink is far more useful?

So that when stuff is soaking in the main sink, there's still somewhere
(just a 1/4 sink in my case) to tip dregs of coffee etc, or to wash the
cutlery separately.

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Tim Watts wrote:
On 16/03/16 09:07, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Huge
writes

(One of the excellent things about usually renting a house for holidays
is that you discover how dumb things like wet rooms, AGAs and ceramic
sinks
(especially underslung & butler ones) are, and how poorly designed many
kitchens are.)

Detailed evidence please.

Why is it housewives have this yearning for huge Butlers sinks? How
often do they really struggle to clean roasting pans?

I have a large stainless sink[1] which fulfils that purpose with none of
the disadvantages.

[1] WHY do people fit those stupid twin sinks - when having the same
space in one large sink is far more useful?

Because you can rinse things in one sink while washing in the other.

....or you can leave a pan/dish to soak in one sink while using the
other.

etc., etc. We wouldn't be without our twin bowl stainless sink. N.B.
both bowls are the same, quite large, size.

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