What do people typically fit nowadays? The existing internal writer is
IDE, but I have a SATA slot spare on the mobo.

Alternatively, I could go for an external USB writer, as they are not
expensive. And the advantage would be that I could move it from one PC
to another easily.

MM

On 06/01/2016 11:21, MM wrote:
What do people typically fit nowadays? The existing internal writer is
IDE, but I have a SATA slot spare on the mobo.

Alternatively, I could go for an external USB writer, as they are not
expensive. And the advantage would be that I could move it from one PC
to another easily.

Its not difficult to move an internal from one machine to another either
really...

I have been using Samsung SH-224FB DVD Re-Writers recently. Does the
job, reads and write most formats and cost me under £15 in a retail pack
with alternate colour bezels etc.


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On 06/01/16 12:39, John Rumm wrote:
On 06/01/2016 11:21, MM wrote:
What do people typically fit nowadays? The existing internal writer is
IDE, but I have a SATA slot spare on the mobo.

Alternatively, I could go for an external USB writer, as they are not
expensive. And the advantage would be that I could move it from one PC
to another easily.

Its not difficult to move an internal from one machine to another either
really...

I have been using Samsung SH-224FB DVD Re-Writers recently. Does the
job, reads and write most formats and cost me under £15 in a retail pack
with alternate colour bezels etc.


Frankly unless you are generating DVDs on a regular basis or watching
tons of DVDS a USB device is all you need for 'occasional' use.

Unless you want to boot from DVD and the mobo BIOS doesn't support USB
boot..


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On 06/01/2016 11:21, MM wrote:
What do people typically fit nowadays? The existing internal writer is
IDE, but I have a SATA slot spare on the mobo.

Alternatively, I could go for an external USB writer, as they are not
expensive. And the advantage would be that I could move it from one PC
to another easily.

MM

Agreed with others - use USB unless there is an overriding reason not to.

Strongly recommend USB3 (or better).

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On Wednesday, 6 January 2016 12:59:54 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Frankly unless you are generating DVDs on a regular basis or watching
tons of DVDS a USB device is all you need for 'occasional' use.

Unless you want to boot from DVD and the mobo BIOS doesn't support USB
boot..

the need for which will arise as soon as you have your new usb drive. Obviously.


NT

I'd just like one that makes decent reliable cds. The old ide one in this
computer works fine, but the new one in my new machine seems to make cds
that only some players can find the start of.
Brian

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"MM" wrote in message
...
What do people typically fit nowadays? The existing internal writer is
IDE, but I have a SATA slot spare on the mobo.

Alternatively, I could go for an external USB writer, as they are not
expensive. And the advantage would be that I could move it from one PC
to another easily.

MM

"Jonno" wrote in message
...
MM scribbled


What do people typically fit nowadays? The existing internal writer is
IDE, but I have a SATA slot spare on the mobo.

Alternatively, I could go for an external USB writer, as they are not
expensive. And the advantage would be that I could move it from one PC
to another easily.

MM


Buy a SATA BluRay burner. Discs for them are getting a lot cheaper.
I've never had problems with Pioneer burners.

I have and charged to LGs.

On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 12:39:39 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

On 06/01/2016 11:21, MM wrote:
What do people typically fit nowadays? The existing internal writer is
IDE, but I have a SATA slot spare on the mobo.

Alternatively, I could go for an external USB writer, as they are not
expensive. And the advantage would be that I could move it from one PC
to another easily.

Its not difficult to move an internal from one machine to another either
really...

I have been using Samsung SH-224FB DVD Re-Writers recently. Does the
job, reads and write most formats and cost me under £15 in a retail pack
with alternate colour bezels etc.

That's exactly the one I've been looking at on Amazon. Current price
is £11.78 with free delivery on orders over £20 (which I assume means
I have to order something else to go with it to the tune of £8.23).

I've gone off the external idea again, as I read that one of the
Samsung external models needs a double-ended USB cable (whatever
double-ended means in this context), else there's not enough power for
power-intensive tasks like ripping. If this is a failing of one
particular external witer, it may be a general disadvantage with all
of them. No low-power problem with an *internal* drive!

MM

On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:59:52 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Unless you want to boot from DVD and the mobo BIOS doesn't support USB
boot..

Oo-er! That's a good'un! Never thought of that. Thanks!

Thumbs down for external.

MM

On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 19:16:03 -0000, Jonno wrote:

MM scribbled


What do people typically fit nowadays? The existing internal writer is
IDE, but I have a SATA slot spare on the mobo.

Alternatively, I could go for an external USB writer, as they are not
expensive. And the advantage would be that I could move it from one PC
to another easily.

MM


Buy a SATA BluRay burner. Discs for them are getting a lot cheaper.
I've never had problems with Pioneer burners.

Blu-Ray is overkill for me. The burners are way more expensive, and I
only burn 4.7GB blanks or CD-ROMS anyway.

MM

"MM" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 12:39:39 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

On 06/01/2016 11:21, MM wrote:
What do people typically fit nowadays? The existing internal writer is
IDE, but I have a SATA slot spare on the mobo.

Alternatively, I could go for an external USB writer, as they are not
expensive. And the advantage would be that I could move it from one PC
to another easily.

Its not difficult to move an internal from one machine to another either
really...

I have been using Samsung SH-224FB DVD Re-Writers recently. Does the
job, reads and write most formats and cost me under £15 in a retail pack
with alternate colour bezels etc.

That's exactly the one I've been looking at on Amazon. Current price
is £11.78 with free delivery on orders over £20 (which I assume means
I have to order something else to go with it to the tune of £8.23).

I've gone off the external idea again, as I read that one of the
Samsung external models needs a double-ended USB cable (whatever
double-ended means in this context),

It's a cable that gets power from more than one
USB port to get enough power to power the drive.

else there's not enough power for power-intensive tasks
like ripping. If this is a failing of one particular external
witer, it may be a general disadvantage with all of them.

No it isnt. Like with portable hard drives, some have a
separate wall wart use to power them instead of being
powered from the USB cable.

No low-power problem with an *internal* drive!

And some older systems cant boot from a USB drive.

In message , MM
writes
On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 12:39:39 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

On 06/01/2016 11:21, MM wrote:
What do people typically fit nowadays? The existing internal writer is
IDE, but I have a SATA slot spare on the mobo.

Alternatively, I could go for an external USB writer, as they are not
expensive. And the advantage would be that I could move it from one PC
to another easily.

Its not difficult to move an internal from one machine to another either
really...

I have been using Samsung SH-224FB DVD Re-Writers recently. Does the
job, reads and write most formats and cost me under £15 in a retail pack
with alternate colour bezels etc.

That's exactly the one I've been looking at on Amazon. Current price
is £11.78 with free delivery on orders over £20 (which I assume means
I have to order something else to go with it to the tune of £8.23).

Yup.

Or get it for £11 including delivery from Kikatek

http://www.kikatek.com/P580841/SH-22...4FB-24X-DVD-Wr
iter


I've gone off the external idea again, as I read that one of the
Samsung external models needs a double-ended USB cable (whatever
double-ended means in this context), else there's not enough power for
power-intensive tasks like ripping.

It means a cable that has two usb plugs at the computer end. This is
because a single USB 2.0 port might not supply enough power for the
drive. Not uncommon with external drives.

If this is a failing of one
particular external witer, it may be a general disadvantage with all
of them.

I imagine it's common to lots of external drives. It's not a big deal
you just need 2 usb ports near ear other to plug them in. USB 3
overcomes that problem, but not much help if you computers don't have
usb 3 ports.


No low-power problem with an *internal* drive!

Horses for courses.

I would go for an internal drive unless I expected to needs to use it
often enough on multiple computers. (and if I really, really did need to
I've got an adapter that I can use to connect an old internal drive to a
usb port. But unlikley as all the computers her will boot from a usb
stick if necessary)
--
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On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 08:41:39 +0000, MM wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 12:39:39 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

On 06/01/2016 11:21, MM wrote:
What do people typically fit nowadays? The existing internal writer is
IDE, but I have a SATA slot spare on the mobo.

Alternatively, I could go for an external USB writer, as they are not
expensive. And the advantage would be that I could move it from one PC
to another easily.

Its not difficult to move an internal from one machine to another either
really...

I have been using Samsung SH-224FB DVD Re-Writers recently. Does the
job, reads and write most formats and cost me under £15 in a retail pack
with alternate colour bezels etc.

That's exactly the one I've been looking at on Amazon. Current price is
£11.78 with free delivery on orders over £20 (which I assume means I
have to order something else to go with it to the tune of £8.23).

I have several machines with this model in them, and they are all fine.

On 07/01/2016 08:41, MM wrote:
I've gone off the external idea again, as I read that one of the
Samsung external models needs a double-ended USB cable (whatever
double-ended means in this context), else there's not enough power for
power-intensive tasks like ripping. If this is a failing of one
particular external witer, it may be a general disadvantage with all
of them. No low-power problem with an*internal* drive!

I bought one around a year ago. At that time it looked as though early
models might have needed the double-headed cable - but by the time I got
mine (and for at least months before) they universally worked on
single-headed cables.

The one I got was also expressly suited to working with Macs - which can
be fussy. I needed it to work with a MacBook Pro without its own
built-in drive.

--
Rod

Brian-Gaff wrote:
I'd just like one that makes decent reliable cds. The old ide one in this
computer works fine, but the new one in my new machine seems to make cds
that only some players can find the start of.

TSSTCorp? ie Toshiba/Samsung? The cheap SH-... ones other people have been
suggesting are renowned for that. I gave up on DVDs after having one of
those.

Theo

On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 09:20:55 +0000, Chris French
wrote:

In message , MM
writes
On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 12:39:39 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

On 06/01/2016 11:21, MM wrote:
What do people typically fit nowadays? The existing internal writer is
IDE, but I have a SATA slot spare on the mobo.

Alternatively, I could go for an external USB writer, as they are not
expensive. And the advantage would be that I could move it from one PC
to another easily.

Its not difficult to move an internal from one machine to another either
really...

I have been using Samsung SH-224FB DVD Re-Writers recently. Does the
job, reads and write most formats and cost me under £15 in a retail pack
with alternate colour bezels etc.

That's exactly the one I've been looking at on Amazon. Current price
is £11.78 with free delivery on orders over £20 (which I assume means
I have to order something else to go with it to the tune of £8.23).

Yup.

Or get it for £11 including delivery from Kikatek

http://www.kikatek.com/P580841/SH-22...4FB-24X-DVD-Wr
iter

Is that a company one can trust? Their web page says the full price is
£150 !! So that they then can say one saves 93%. Sounds a bit "wide
boy" to me...

I've gone off the external idea again, as I read that one of the
Samsung external models needs a double-ended USB cable (whatever
double-ended means in this context), else there's not enough power for
power-intensive tasks like ripping.

It means a cable that has two usb plugs at the computer end. This is
because a single USB 2.0 port might not supply enough power for the
drive. Not uncommon with external drives.

If this is a failing of one
particular external witer, it may be a general disadvantage with all
of them.

I imagine it's common to lots of external drives. It's not a big deal
you just need 2 usb ports near ear other to plug them in. USB 3
overcomes that problem, but not much help if you computers don't have
usb 3 ports.


No low-power problem with an *internal* drive!

Horses for courses.

I would go for an internal drive unless I expected to needs to use it
often enough on multiple computers. (and if I really, really did need to
I've got an adapter that I can use to connect an old internal drive to a
usb port. But unlikley as all the computers her will boot from a usb
stick if necessary)

Thanks.

MM

In message , MM
writes
On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 09:20:55 +0000, Chris French
wrote:

In message , MM
writes
On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 12:39:39 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

On 06/01/2016 11:21, MM wrote:
What do people typically fit nowadays? The existing internal writer is
IDE, but I have a SATA slot spare on the mobo.

Alternatively, I could go for an external USB writer, as they are not
expensive. And the advantage would be that I could move it from one PC
to another easily.

Its not difficult to move an internal from one machine to another either
really...

I have been using Samsung SH-224FB DVD Re-Writers recently. Does the
job, reads and write most formats and cost me under £15 in a retail pack
with alternate colour bezels etc.

That's exactly the one I've been looking at on Amazon. Current price
is £11.78 with free delivery on orders over £20 (which I assume means
I have to order something else to go with it to the tune of £8.23).

Yup.

Or get it for £11 including delivery from Kikatek

http://www.kikatek.com/P580841/SH-22...4FB-24X-DVD-Wr
iter

Is that a company one can trust? Their web page says the full price is
£150 !! So that they then can say one saves 93%. Sounds a bit "wide
boy" to me...

shrug Marketing.

I used them a few times for things, they were fine (stuff came, it
worked).

Note that Kikatek one is a bare drive. I think the Amazon one for £11.78
might be the retail pack (different product code).

But whatever, it's only a few quid difference.
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En el artículo , Theo theom+news
@chiark.greenend.org.uk escribió:

TSSTCorp? ie Toshiba/Samsung?

They're a pile of ****. Very unreliable and die after a short time.
One symptom is that they'll read CDs but not DVDs. I've had to replace
several.

The best makes seem to be LG and Pioneer.

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(")_(")

On 7 Jan 2016 12:08:57 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 08:41:39 +0000, MM wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 12:39:39 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

On 06/01/2016 11:21, MM wrote:
What do people typically fit nowadays? The existing internal writer is
IDE, but I have a SATA slot spare on the mobo.

Alternatively, I could go for an external USB writer, as they are not
expensive. And the advantage would be that I could move it from one PC
to another easily.

Its not difficult to move an internal from one machine to another either
really...

I have been using Samsung SH-224FB DVD Re-Writers recently. Does the
job, reads and write most formats and cost me under £15 in a retail pack
with alternate colour bezels etc.

That's exactly the one I've been looking at on Amazon. Current price is
£11.78 with free delivery on orders over £20 (which I assume means I
have to order something else to go with it to the tune of £8.23).

I have several machines with this model in them, and they are all fine.

And this is the one I finally decided on. Came yesterday and was a
doddle to install. I was initially concerned that the SATA drive
didn't have a connector for the cable to the sound card, but
apparently the cable has been redundant for years on and after XP. I
assume the SATA cable takes care of the sound somehow.

Drive works fine and, contrary to some reviews on Amazon, absolutely
not noisy.

MM

On 07/01/16 08:42, MM wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:59:52 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Unless you want to boot from DVD and the mobo BIOS doesn't support USB
boot..

Oo-er! That's a good'un! Never thought of that. Thanks!

Thumbs down for external.

I'd say a BIOS not booting from USB CD is pretty rare thing nowadays.
This (and USB floppy support) came sometime back before booting from USB
memory sticks.

Ah, USB floppy disk drives. Yup get one of these before they disappear...

--
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 14:13:25 +0000, Adrian Caspersz
wrote:

On 07/01/16 08:42, MM wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:59:52 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Unless you want to boot from DVD and the mobo BIOS doesn't support USB
boot..

Oo-er! That's a good'un! Never thought of that. Thanks!

Thumbs down for external.

I'd say a BIOS not booting from USB CD is pretty rare thing nowadays.
This (and USB floppy support) came sometime back before booting from USB
memory sticks.

Ah, USB floppy disk drives. Yup get one of these before they disappear...

Bought one 9 months ago. Ruddy marvellous. Cost £4.95, but the price
has since increased to £6.95 (but delivery charge reduced).
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B...etailp ages00

MM

MM wrote:

I was initially concerned that the SATA drive
didn't have a connector for the cable to the sound card, but
apparently the cable has been redundant for years on and after XP. I
assume the SATA cable takes care of the sound somehow.

Rather than being read and decoded to a stereo signal by the drive then
fed to a separate input of the soundcard's hardware mixer, the audio
tracks are read as data software mixed with any other sounds that are
currently playing and fed digitally to the soundcard ...

On 12/01/2016 08:26, MM wrote:
On 7 Jan 2016 12:08:57 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 08:41:39 +0000, MM wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 12:39:39 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

On 06/01/2016 11:21, MM wrote:
What do people typically fit nowadays? The existing internal writer is
IDE, but I have a SATA slot spare on the mobo.

Alternatively, I could go for an external USB writer, as they are not
expensive. And the advantage would be that I could move it from one PC
to another easily.

Its not difficult to move an internal from one machine to another either
really...

I have been using Samsung SH-224FB DVD Re-Writers recently. Does the
job, reads and write most formats and cost me under £15 in a retail pack
with alternate colour bezels etc.

That's exactly the one I've been looking at on Amazon. Current price is
£11.78 with free delivery on orders over £20 (which I assume means I
have to order something else to go with it to the tune of £8.23).

I have several machines with this model in them, and they are all fine.

And this is the one I finally decided on. Came yesterday and was a
doddle to install. I was initially concerned that the SATA drive
didn't have a connector for the cable to the sound card, but
apparently the cable has been redundant for years on and after XP. I
assume the SATA cable takes care of the sound somehow.

Yup, digital audio extraction over the main bus (SATA or PATA) has been
normal for some time now.

Drive works fine and, contrary to some reviews on Amazon, absolutely
not noisy.



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On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 12:50:07 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

I was initially concerned that the SATA drive
didn't have a connector for the cable to the sound card, but
apparently the cable has been redundant for years on and after XP. I
assume the SATA cable takes care of the sound somehow.

Rather than being read and decoded to a stereo signal by the drive then
fed to a separate input of the soundcard's hardware mixer, the audio
tracks are read as data software mixed with any other sounds that are
currently playing and fed digitally to the soundcard ...

Amazing! These modern computers are clever! And there's me,
religiously, for years, re-connecting the sound cable after every
hardware upgrade.

MM

On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 07:24:24 +0000, MM wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 12:50:07 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

I was initially concerned that the SATA drive didn't have a connector
for the cable to the sound card, but apparently the cable has been
redundant for years on and after XP. I assume the SATA cable takes
care of the sound somehow.

Rather than being read and decoded to a stereo signal by the drive then
fed to a separate input of the soundcard's hardware mixer, the audio
tracks are read as data software mixed with any other sounds that are
currently playing and fed digitally to the soundcard ...

Amazing! These modern computers are clever! And there's me, religiously,
for years, re-connecting the sound cable after every hardware upgrade.

I used to do the same up until 6 or 7 years ago when I basically lost
all interest in the concept of using the optical drive as an audio CD
player.

There used to be good reason for using the audio output link if you were
routinely using the CDRW as a CD Player simply to audition music CDs
whilst sat by your desktop computer. The reason being that the disk was
spun at audio playback speed (600 down to 270 rpm) rather than the
several thousand rpm when extracting the audio data over the digital
interface. It was a less noisy process.

--
Johnny B Good