For you Brian:
http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/barbar...hazi-coalition
q
An American University law student asked a question, the answer to which
brought down the house at the Benghazi Accountability Coalition hosted by
the Heritage Foundation yesterday.

Saba Ahmed, who introduced herself as a law student from American
University, asked: "I know that we portray Islam and all Muslims as bad, but
there [are] 1.8 billion Muslims followers of Islam. We have 8 million plus
Muslim Americans in this country, and I don't see them represented here [on
the Benghazi panel.]



"But my question is how can we fight an ideological war with weapons? How
can we ever end this war? The jihadist ideology that you talk about - it's
an ideology. How can we ever end this thing if we don't address it
ideologically?" Ahmed asked. She was wearing a hijab, the head covering of
traditional Muslims.

"What I find so amazing, is that since the beginning of this panel - we are
here about the Benghazi attack on our people - not one person mentioned
Muslims, or [said] we are here against Islam. We are here because four
Americans died and what our government is doing," said Brigitte Gabriel,
founder of Act! for America, an anti-terror grassroots organization, in a
very strongly-worded response to the student.

"We are not here to bash Muslims. You were the one who brought up the issue
about 'most Muslims' - not us. But since you brought it up, allow me to
elaborate with my answer.

"There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world today. Of course not all of them
are radicals. The majority of them are peaceful people. The radicals are
estimated to be between 15-25% according to all intelligence services around
the world.

"That leaves 75% of [Muslims being] peaceful people. But when you look at
15-25% of the world's Muslim population, you're looking at 180 million to
300 million people dedicated to the destruction of Western civilization.
That is as big as the United States," said Gabriel.

"So why should we worry about the radical 15-25%? Because it is the radicals
that kill. Because it is the radicals that behead and massacre," Gabriel
said.

"When you look throughout history, at the lessons of history, most Germans
were peaceful. Yet the Nazis drove the agenda. And as a result, 60 million
people died, almost 40 million in concentration camps. 6 million were Jews.
The peaceful majority were irrelevant," Gabriel said.

"When you look at Russia, most Russians were peaceful as well. But the
Russians were able to kill 20 million people. The peaceful majority were
irrelevant.

"When you look at China for example, most Chinese were peaceful as well. Yet
the Chinese were able to kill 70 million people. The peaceful majority were
irrelevant.

"When you look at Japan prior to World War II, most Japanese were peaceful
people too. Yet, Japan was able to butcher its way across Southeast Asia,
killing 12 million people, mostly killed by bayonets and shovels. The
peaceful majority were irrelevant," Gabriel said.

"On September 11th in the United States we had 2.3 million Arab Muslims
living in the United States. It took 19 hijackers - 19 radicals - to bring
America to its knees, destroy the World Trade Center, attack the Pentagon
and kill almost 3000 Americans that day," Gabriel said.

"So for all our power of reason, and for all us talking about moderate and
peaceful Muslims, I'm glad you're here. But where are the others speaking
out?" Gabriel asked. The people in attendance began to applaud.

"And since you are the only Muslim representative here, you took the
limelight instead of speaking about why our government - I assume you're an
American [Ahmed responded yes.] As an American citizen, you sat in this
room, and instead of asking a question about the four Americans that died
[in Benghazi] and what our government is doing to correct the problem, you
stood there to make a point about peaceful, moderate Muslims," said Gabriel.

"I wish you had brought ten with you so we could talk about how to hold our
government responsible," Gabriel continued.

"It is time we take political correctness and throw it in the garbage where
it belongs," Gabriel said, to a standing ovation and cheers from the crowd,
over 150 strong.

"As a peaceful American Muslim, I'd like to think I'm not that irrelevant,"
the student responded. "I'm deeply saddened about the lives that were lost
in Libya and I hope we will find justice for their families."

"But I don't think this war can ever be won by just the military," Ahmed
rejoined.

"I think everyone agrees that it can't be won by just the military," talk
radio host Chris Plante responded. "Can you tell me the head of the Muslim
peace movement?"

"I guess it's me right now," the student said sheepishly.

The question Ahmed asked, which Gabriel, a Christian who emigrated from
Lebanon, answered rhetorically, deserves a serious answer: how can an
ideological war be won if its ideological roots are not addressed?

This is a point that Tony Blair has been making repeatedly in recent days.
"If [intervention] is that hard, why not stay out of it all, the current
default position of the West?" Tony Blair wrote over the weekend.

"The answer is because the outcome of this long transition impacts us
profoundly. At its simplest, the jihadist groups are never going to leave us
alone. 9/11 happened for a reason. That reason and the ideology behind it
have not disappeared."

/q

"Brian-Gaff" wrote in message ...

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are not reading on line and do not want to waste data on clicking a link, if
you are ona obile as a friend just said.
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"Andy Cap" wrote in message
o.uk...

On 28/12/15 18:16, harry wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHqRtLeI_pE


... and you don't need very many !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAoXgZLRee0

Well, thank you very much for that Andy.
Spot on!

On 29/12/15 13:00, Richard wrote:


Good to see there is a modicum of common sense in the region...

A Wise Honest Arab Muslim Man Tells Muslims The Truth About Themselves

Ibrahim Al-Buleihi, a former Saudi Shura Council member, explains how
the rest of the world have learnt from the progress of the West, whilst
Islam, instead of being willing to learn and progress, have stuck
steadfastly with their primitive outlook. He said that they have NOTHING
to offer mankind and that is very apparent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZZMXV_PRXk


For you Brian:
http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/barbar...hazi-coalition

q
An American University law student asked a question, the answer to which
brought down the house at the Benghazi Accountability Coalition hosted
by the Heritage Foundation yesterday.

Saba Ahmed, who introduced herself as a law student from American
University, asked: "I know that we portray Islam and all Muslims as bad,
but there [are] 1.8 billion Muslims followers of Islam. We have 8
million plus Muslim Americans in this country, and I don't see them
represented here [on the Benghazi panel.]



"But my question is how can we fight an ideological war with weapons?
How can we ever end this war? The jihadist ideology that you talk about
- it's an ideology. How can we ever end this thing if we don't address
it ideologically?" Ahmed asked. She was wearing a hijab, the head
covering of traditional Muslims.

"What I find so amazing, is that since the beginning of this panel - we
are here about the Benghazi attack on our people - not one person
mentioned Muslims, or [said] we are here against Islam. We are here
because four Americans died and what our government is doing," said
Brigitte Gabriel, founder of Act! for America, an anti-terror grassroots
organization, in a very strongly-worded response to the student.

"We are not here to bash Muslims. You were the one who brought up the
issue about 'most Muslims' - not us. But since you brought it up, allow
me to elaborate with my answer.

"There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world today. Of course not all of
them are radicals. The majority of them are peaceful people. The
radicals are estimated to be between 15-25% according to all
intelligence services around the world.

"That leaves 75% of [Muslims being] peaceful people. But when you look
at 15-25% of the world's Muslim population, you're looking at 180
million to 300 million people dedicated to the destruction of Western
civilization. That is as big as the United States," said Gabriel.

"So why should we worry about the radical 15-25%? Because it is the
radicals that kill. Because it is the radicals that behead and
massacre," Gabriel said.

"When you look throughout history, at the lessons of history, most
Germans were peaceful. Yet the Nazis drove the agenda. And as a result,
60 million people died, almost 40 million in concentration camps. 6
million were Jews. The peaceful majority were irrelevant," Gabriel said.

"When you look at Russia, most Russians were peaceful as well. But the
Russians were able to kill 20 million people. The peaceful majority were
irrelevant.

"When you look at China for example, most Chinese were peaceful as well.
Yet the Chinese were able to kill 70 million people. The peaceful
majority were irrelevant.

"When you look at Japan prior to World War II, most Japanese were
peaceful people too. Yet, Japan was able to butcher its way across
Southeast Asia, killing 12 million people, mostly killed by bayonets and
shovels. The peaceful majority were irrelevant," Gabriel said.

"On September 11th in the United States we had 2.3 million Arab Muslims
living in the United States. It took 19 hijackers - 19 radicals - to
bring America to its knees, destroy the World Trade Center, attack the
Pentagon and kill almost 3000 Americans that day," Gabriel said.

"So for all our power of reason, and for all us talking about moderate
and peaceful Muslims, I'm glad you're here. But where are the others
speaking out?" Gabriel asked. The people in attendance began to applaud.

"And since you are the only Muslim representative here, you took the
limelight instead of speaking about why our government - I assume you're
an American [Ahmed responded yes.] As an American citizen, you sat in
this room, and instead of asking a question about the four Americans
that died [in Benghazi] and what our government is doing to correct the
problem, you stood there to make a point about peaceful, moderate
Muslims," said Gabriel.

"I wish you had brought ten with you so we could talk about how to hold
our government responsible," Gabriel continued.

"It is time we take political correctness and throw it in the garbage
where it belongs," Gabriel said, to a standing ovation and cheers from
the crowd, over 150 strong.

"As a peaceful American Muslim, I'd like to think I'm not that
irrelevant," the student responded. "I'm deeply saddened about the lives
that were lost in Libya and I hope we will find justice for their
families."

"But I don't think this war can ever be won by just the military," Ahmed
rejoined.

"I think everyone agrees that it can't be won by just the military,"
talk radio host Chris Plante responded. "Can you tell me the head of the
Muslim peace movement?"

"I guess it's me right now," the student said sheepishly.

The question Ahmed asked, which Gabriel, a Christian who emigrated from
Lebanon, answered rhetorically, deserves a serious answer: how can an
ideological war be won if its ideological roots are not addressed?

This is a point that Tony Blair has been making repeatedly in recent
days. "If [intervention] is that hard, why not stay out of it all, the
current default position of the West?" Tony Blair wrote over the weekend.

"The answer is because the outcome of this long transition impacts us
profoundly. At its simplest, the jihadist groups are never going to
leave us alone. 9/11 happened for a reason. That reason and the ideology
behind it have not disappeared."

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 18:48:34 +0000, Andy Cap wrote:
[...]

it's a terrible shame, because 10 centuries ago, before this pernicious,
poisonous religion ruined things for the region, the Arabic world was
preeminent in so many fields they really left the rest of us miles
behind, especially in the sciences. Today, though, they're about 10
centuries *behind* everyone else - and heading even further backwards.