Mathematical Conundrum III
 

On Tuesday, 8 December 2015 12:27:03 UTC, John Rumm wrote:
On 07/12/2015 18:45, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , John
Rumm writes
snip
Or it wasn't covered very well, it wasn't at my school. No real
reason for using it was given at scooh no Why would we need it. And

even then it was 22/7. We know the greeks used in and the egyptians
used it for pyramids but that was it. of course the time wasted on
reading shakespeare or virtually any other story book ! What great
knowledge to I get from Alice in Wonderland, Kes, Lord of the flies,

The same argument could be turned toward any subject that did not
float your boat really. Much as those do today when they announce with
pride they have no idea how a screwdriver works.

Developing an interest is a vital part of education. Again, 1st. year

Indeed, and reading in general is a very big part of that... its
sometimes very easy for those of us with a technical disposition to
dismiss "shakespeare or virtually any other story book",

I wouldn;t dismis them any more than I'd dismaiss start trek but it seems very easy for teh intelituls to dismis things like star trek and would only consider you as inteligent if you read such things as shakspeare and dickens.
Which is why they are relatively few MPs/polititions that know anyhting about teh real world but they are experts at alice in wonderland or any other fictiona;l book and can't work out why their so called polices aren't working for real people but would work fine on fantasy island.


when in reality
there is a wealth of knowledge and understanding contained therein, not
least training the mind to think and analyse.

but **** in the real world.

Mathematical Conundrum III
 

On 09/12/2015 13:49, whisky-dave wrote:
On Tuesday, 8 December 2015 12:27:03 UTC, John Rumm wrote:
On 07/12/2015 18:45, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , John
Rumm writes
snip
Or it wasn't covered very well, it wasn't at my school. No real
reason for using it was given at scooh no Why would we need it. And

even then it was 22/7. We know the greeks used in and the egyptians
used it for pyramids but that was it. of course the time wasted on
reading shakespeare or virtually any other story book ! What great
knowledge to I get from Alice in Wonderland, Kes, Lord of the flies,

The same argument could be turned toward any subject that did not
float your boat really. Much as those do today when they announce with
pride they have no idea how a screwdriver works.

Developing an interest is a vital part of education. Again, 1st. year

Indeed, and reading in general is a very big part of that... its
sometimes very easy for those of us with a technical disposition to
dismiss "shakespeare or virtually any other story book",

I wouldn;t dismis them any more than I'd dismaiss start trek but it seems very easy for teh intelituls to dismis things like star trek and would only consider you as inteligent if you read such things as shakspeare and dickens.
Which is why they are relatively few MPs/polititions that know anyhting about teh real world but they are experts at alice in wonderland or any other fictiona;l book and can't work out why their so called polices aren't working for real people but would work fine on fantasy island.


when in reality
there is a wealth of knowledge and understanding contained therein, not
least training the mind to think and analyse.

but **** in the real world.

I disagree.

I would suggest there is plenty you can learn about politics, and people
(and what motivates them) from fiction - just as you can learn a good
grounding in real science from well written science fiction. Lets face
it, Orwell's 1984 is not a classic due to its "feel good factor"!

Its also a limitless opportunity for someone to broaden their
understanding and experiences. To learn of other cultures, and peoples
etc, without needing to actually visit the places. You can do things you
would never do (in person), go places you would never go.




--
Cheers,

John.

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Mathematical Conundrum III
 

On Wednesday, 9 December 2015 18:37:47 UTC, John Rumm wrote:
On 09/12/2015 13:49, whisky-dave wrote:
On Tuesday, 8 December 2015 12:27:03 UTC, John Rumm wrote:
On 07/12/2015 18:45, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , John
Rumm writes
snip
Or it wasn't covered very well, it wasn't at my school. No real
reason for using it was given at scooh no Why would we need it. And

even then it was 22/7. We know the greeks used in and the egyptians
used it for pyramids but that was it. of course the time wasted on
reading shakespeare or virtually any other story book ! What great
knowledge to I get from Alice in Wonderland, Kes, Lord of the flies,

The same argument could be turned toward any subject that did not
float your boat really. Much as those do today when they announce with
pride they have no idea how a screwdriver works.

Developing an interest is a vital part of education. Again, 1st. year

Indeed, and reading in general is a very big part of that... its
sometimes very easy for those of us with a technical disposition to
dismiss "shakespeare or virtually any other story book",

I wouldn;t dismis them any more than I'd dismaiss start trek but it seems very easy for teh intelituls to dismis things like star trek and would only consider you as inteligent if you read such things as shakspeare and dickens.
Which is why they are relatively few MPs/polititions that know anyhting about teh real world but they are experts at alice in wonderland or any other fictiona;l book and can't work out why their so called polices aren't working for real people but would work fine on fantasy island.


when in reality
there is a wealth of knowledge and understanding contained therein, not
least training the mind to think and analyse.

but **** in the real world.

I disagree.

I would suggest there is plenty you can learn about politics,

but do we.

and people
(and what motivates them) from fiction -

We could but we don't because it's fiction.

just as you can learn a good
grounding in real science from well written science fiction.

What do you mean by well written correct spelling or an insite into the future.

Lets face
it, Orwell's 1984 is not a classic due to its "feel good factor"!

A 'fun' senerio where computers or robots don't exists, yes we can learn a lot from it.


Its also a limitless opportunity for someone to broaden their
understanding and experiences. To learn of other cultures, and peoples
etc, without needing to actually visit the places.

Must be why we have so many problems in the world with all this understanding going on.


But for that You can do things you
would never do (in person), go places you would never go.

As I said boldley go where no man has gone before.

Mathematical Conundrum III
 

On 11/12/2015 11:54, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 9 December 2015 18:37:47 UTC, John Rumm wrote:
On 09/12/2015 13:49, whisky-dave wrote:
On Tuesday, 8 December 2015 12:27:03 UTC, John Rumm wrote:
On 07/12/2015 18:45, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message
, John
Rumm writes snip
Or it wasn't covered very well, it wasn't at my school.
No real reason for using it was given at scooh no Why
would we need it. And

even then it was 22/7. We know the greeks used in and the
egyptians used it for pyramids but that was it. of course
the time wasted on reading shakespeare or virtually any
other story book ! What great knowledge to I get from
Alice in Wonderland, Kes, Lord of the flies,

The same argument could be turned toward any subject that
did not float your boat really. Much as those do today when
they announce with pride they have no idea how a
screwdriver works.

Developing an interest is a vital part of education. Again,
1st. year

Indeed, and reading in general is a very big part of that...
its sometimes very easy for those of us with a technical
disposition to dismiss "shakespeare or virtually any other
story book",

I wouldn;t dismis them any more than I'd dismaiss start trek but
it seems very easy for teh intelituls to dismis things like star
trek and would only consider you as inteligent if you read such
things as shakspeare and dickens. Which is why they are
relatively few MPs/polititions that know anyhting about teh real
world but they are experts at alice in wonderland or any other
fictiona;l book and can't work out why their so called polices
aren't working for real people but would work fine on fantasy
island.


when in reality there is a wealth of knowledge and
understanding contained therein, not least training the mind to
think and analyse.

but **** in the real world.

I disagree.

I would suggest there is plenty you can learn about politics,

but do we.

We, as a people certainly. We including you? Perhaps not.

and people (and what motivates them) from fiction -

We could but we don't because it's fiction.

Why should fiction be a problem? Much fiction is inspired by real
people, events, scenarios. Fictional characters are often inspired by
real people, and their responses to events plausible.

just as you can learn a good grounding in real science from well
written science fiction.

What do you mean by well written correct spelling or an insite into
the future.

Certainly not the former. We sometimes get the latter. However science
fiction if written by an author with a strong science background should
stretch you knowledge and understanding of real science as well. Go read
something by David Brin for example.

Lets face it, Orwell's 1984 is not a classic due to its "feel good
factor"!

A 'fun' senerio where computers or robots don't exists, yes we can
learn a lot from it.

Not really sure where you are going with the computers and robots
angle... (although one could perhaps view the fictional telescreen as
one of the realities modern communications devices have brought into
existence). There is plenty to learn and observe about the way
totalitarian states come about, and their mechanisms of operation. Its a
shame that so many modern day political leaders seem to think it was
written as a hand book rather than a warning.

Its also a limitless opportunity for someone to broaden their
understanding and experiences. To learn of other cultures, and
peoples etc, without needing to actually visit the places.

Must be why we have so many problems in the world with all this
understanding going on.

Perhaps there are too many people not reading widely enough, and as a
result the remain blinkered and easily manipulated?

But for that You can do things you would never do (in person), go
places you would never go.

As I said boldley go where no man has gone before.


--
Cheers,

John.

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