We want a door closer for our small cloakroom which has an outward opening
door.

The door closer needs to be on the inside pulling the door closed. We have
used one of these in the past but they're a bit basic (and irritating) in
the way that they work.

http://m.screwfix.com/p/eclipse-conc...rass-mm/12108?

It would be nice to have something that give a bit more control over door
closure and doesn't look too "office like" although I accept the latter may
be hard to avoid. I don't really want to go hacking the new door about to
make clearance for rising butt hinges either.

The are plenty online but working out which one push or pull is hurting my
brain. Any advice?

Tim

On Saturday, 28 November 2015 15:50:03 UTC, Tim wrote:
We want a door closer for our small cloakroom which has an outward opening
door.

The door closer needs to be on the inside pulling the door closed. We have
used one of these in the past but they're a bit basic (and irritating) in
the way that they work.

http://m.screwfix.com/p/eclipse-conc...rass-mm/12108?

It would be nice to have something that give a bit more control over door
closure and doesn't look too "office like" although I accept the latter may
be hard to avoid. I don't really want to go hacking the new door about to
make clearance for rising butt hinges either.

The are plenty online but working out which one push or pull is hurting my
brain. Any advice?

Tim

You know the ones you link to are adjustable don't you?
They come with a tool that grips the chain while the screw on the end of the chain is adjusted.

On 28/11/2015 15:47, Tim+ wrote:
We want a door closer for our small cloakroom which has an outward opening
door.

The door closer needs to be on the inside pulling the door closed. We have
used one of these in the past but they're a bit basic (and irritating) in
the way that they work.

http://m.screwfix.com/p/eclipse-conc...rass-mm/12108?

It would be nice to have something that give a bit more control over door
closure and doesn't look too "office like" although I accept the latter may
be hard to avoid. I don't really want to go hacking the new door about to
make clearance for rising butt hinges either.

The are plenty online but working out which one push or pull is hurting my
brain. Any advice?

Tim

Most of the larger hydraulic ones can do either push or pull, depending
on whether the unit if fixed to the door or above/on the door frame.
There are sometimes an accessory bracket to allow the unit to be door
mounted so the arms don't tie themselves in knots.

harry wrote:
On Saturday, 28 November 2015 15:50:03 UTC, Tim wrote:
We want a door closer for our small cloakroom which has an outward opening
door.

The door closer needs to be on the inside pulling the door closed. We have
used one of these in the past but they're a bit basic (and irritating) in
the way that they work.

http://m.screwfix.com/p/eclipse-conc...rass-mm/12108?

It would be nice to have something that give a bit more control over door
closure and doesn't look too "office like" although I accept the latter may
be hard to avoid. I don't really want to go hacking the new door about to
make clearance for rising butt hinges either.

The are plenty online but working out which one push or pull is hurting my
brain. Any advice?

Tim

You know the ones you link to are adjustable don't you?
They come with a tool that grips the chain while the screw on the end of
the chain is adjusted.



Had one for years. Apt to make "scrawnching" noises and you can't really
control the door closure. Cheap and cheerful but rather very crude.

Tim

On 28/11/2015 15:47, Tim+ wrote:
We want a door closer for our small cloakroom which has an outward opening
door.

The door closer needs to be on the inside pulling the door closed. We have
used one of these in the past but they're a bit basic (and irritating) in
the way that they work.

http://m.screwfix.com/p/eclipse-conc...rass-mm/12108?

It would be nice to have something that give a bit more control over door
closure and doesn't look too "office like" although I accept the latter may
be hard to avoid. I don't really want to go hacking the new door about to
make clearance for rising butt hinges either.

The are plenty online but working out which one push or pull is hurting my
brain. Any advice?

Tim

These pull or push and have adjustable close and latch. I've used them
lots of times.

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Safe...+Size+3/p67547



--
Dave - The Medway Handyman

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 16:14:05 -0000 (UTC), Tim+ wrote:

You know the ones you link to are adjustable don't you?
They come with a tool that grips the chain while the screw on the
end
of the chain is adjusted.

Had one for years. Apt to make "scrawnching" noises and you can't really
control the door closure. Cheap and cheerful but rather very crude.

Agreed along with this
type:

http://m.screwfix.com/p/sterling-360...or-closer-whit
e/20622

Even set for minimum force to just close a fully open door it still
slams shut. Must replace it with a proper closer, one that "catches"
the door before it slams then slowly but powerfully fully closes it.
TMH's £20 from toolstation looks intersting, presumblably "FD60" is a
60 minute fire door?

The door here that needs the closer is not offically a fire door but
it is one with itumescent strips and smoke seals as it does join two
"compartments".

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 17:08:42 +0000, David Lang wrote:

These pull or push and have adjustable close and latch. I've used them
lots of times.

Is that lots of times across a small number of doors as they keep
breaking generating repeat business or lots of times across lots of
doors with no call backs or complaints?

--
Cheers
Dave.

Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Tim+
wrote:

We want a door closer for our small cloakroom which has an outward opening
door.

The door closer needs to be on the inside pulling the door closed. We have
used one of these in the past but they're a bit basic (and irritating) in
the way that they work.

http://m.screwfix.com/p/eclipse-conc...rass-mm/12108?

It would be nice to have something that give a bit more control over door
closure and doesn't look too "office like" although I accept the latter may
be hard to avoid. I don't really want to go hacking the new door about to
make clearance for rising butt hinges either.

http://www.screwfix.com/p/adjustable...satin-stainles
s-steel-76-x-102mm-pack-of-2/21577

We got these for our redone bathroom and separate loo. Work fine. Note
that you prolly need two of you to wind them up. After the hinges are
on and the door is hung, you need to unscrew a pin at the top of each
hinge. Then someone else uses an allen key to tension the spring by two
complete turns, aligning the hole for the pin again. The pin-remover
then screws the pin back in again and that hinge is done.


Cheers Tim. I fancy something a bit more controllable but swmbo likes the
discreetness of these so we'll give them a whirl.

Tim

David Lang wrote:
On 28/11/2015 15:47, Tim+ wrote:
We want a door closer for our small cloakroom which has an outward opening
door.

The door closer needs to be on the inside pulling the door closed. We have
used one of these in the past but they're a bit basic (and irritating) in
the way that they work.

http://m.screwfix.com/p/eclipse-conc...rass-mm/12108?

It would be nice to have something that give a bit more control over door
closure and doesn't look too "office like" although I accept the latter may
be hard to avoid. I don't really want to go hacking the new door about to
make clearance for rising butt hinges either.

The are plenty online but working out which one push or pull is hurting my
brain. Any advice?

Tim

These pull or push and have adjustable close and latch. I've used them
lots of times.

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Safe...+Size+3/p67547


Would suit me but alas my wife doesn't like the look. Thanks anyway.

Tim

Yeah, a bit like my pulley water filled bottle and pulley device m made some
years ago. Work but hardly elegant.

There used to be one that although no hidden exactly, worked on a kind of
double jointed arm and plunger arrangement with aan adjustable spring inside
that shut the door fast to almost shut, then pulled very hard but slowly
over the last bit of travel. The snag was that opening the door could be
quite a lot harder than was required.
It seems such a simple task, yet so many variations and success or
otherwise!

Brian

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Remember, if you don't like where I post
or what I say, you don't have to
read my posts! :-)
"Tim+" wrote in message
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harry wrote:
On Saturday, 28 November 2015 15:50:03 UTC, Tim wrote:
We want a door closer for our small cloakroom which has an outward
opening
door.

The door closer needs to be on the inside pulling the door closed. We
have
used one of these in the past but they're a bit basic (and irritating)
in
the way that they work.

http://m.screwfix.com/p/eclipse-conc...rass-mm/12108?

It would be nice to have something that give a bit more control over
door
closure and doesn't look too "office like" although I accept the latter
may
be hard to avoid. I don't really want to go hacking the new door about
to
make clearance for rising butt hinges either.

The are plenty online but working out which one push or pull is hurting
my
brain. Any advice?

Tim

You know the ones you link to are adjustable don't you?
They come with a tool that grips the chain while the screw on the end of
the chain is adjusted.



Had one for years. Apt to make "scrawnching" noises and you can't really
control the door closure. Cheap and cheerful but rather very crude.

Tim

On 29/11/2015 02:11, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 17:08:42 +0000, David Lang wrote:

These pull or push and have adjustable close and latch. I've used them
lots of times.

Is that lots of times across a small number of doors as they keep
breaking generating repeat business or lots of times across lots of
doors with no call backs or complaints?

The latter. The former would make no sense.

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman

On 29/11/2015 08:05, Tim+ wrote:
David Lang wrote:
On 28/11/2015 15:47, Tim+ wrote:
We want a door closer for our small cloakroom which has an outward opening
door.

The door closer needs to be on the inside pulling the door closed. We have
used one of these in the past but they're a bit basic (and irritating) in
the way that they work.

http://m.screwfix.com/p/eclipse-conc...rass-mm/12108?

It would be nice to have something that give a bit more control over door
closure and doesn't look too "office like" although I accept the latter may
be hard to avoid. I don't really want to go hacking the new door about to
make clearance for rising butt hinges either.

The are plenty online but working out which one push or pull is hurting my
brain. Any advice?

Tim

These pull or push and have adjustable close and latch. I've used them
lots of times.

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Safe...+Size+3/p67547


Would suit me but alas my wife doesn't like the look. Thanks anyway.

Tim

Sometimes you just can't win......
:-)


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman

Tim+ wrote:
We want a door closer for our small cloakroom which has an outward opening
door.

The door closer needs to be on the inside pulling the door closed. We have
used one of these in the past but they're a bit basic (and irritating) in
the way that they work.

http://m.screwfix.com/p/eclipse-conc...rass-mm/12108?

It would be nice to have something that give a bit more control over door
closure and doesn't look too "office like" although I accept the latter may
be hard to avoid. I don't really want to go hacking the new door about to
make clearance for rising butt hinges either.

The are plenty online but working out which one push or pull is hurting my
brain. Any advice?

Tim


http://tinyurl.com/nufcg5x

On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 09:34:53 -0000, Brian-Gaff wrote:

... shut the door fast to almost shut, then pulled very hard but slowly
over the last bit of travel.

That's just what I want.

The snag was that opening the door could be quite a lot harder than was
required.

That's just what I don't want.

TMH, does that "cheapy" suffer this hard(er) to open issue? A little
bit of resistance is acceptable but changing isn't. Esstentially the
door needs to open with the same "feel" as now close automatically
past the smoke seals to latched without slamming.
--
Cheers
Dave.

On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 10:23:49 +0000, David Lang wrote:

These pull or push and have adjustable close and latch. I've used
them
lots of times.

Is that lots of times across a small number of doors as they keep
breaking generating repeat business or lots of times across lots
of
doors with no call backs or complaints?

The latter. The former would make no sense.

"The only stupid question is the one that isn't asked". B-)

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 29/11/2015 14:06, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 09:34:53 -0000, Brian-Gaff wrote:

... shut the door fast to almost shut, then pulled very hard but slowly
over the last bit of travel.

That's just what I want.

The snag was that opening the door could be quite a lot harder than was
required.

That's just what I don't want.

TMH, does that "cheapy" suffer this hard(er) to open issue? A little
bit of resistance is acceptable but changing isn't. Esstentially the
door needs to open with the same "feel" as now close automatically
past the smoke seals to latched without slamming.


You can adjust the 'close' and 'slam' independently. There is a slight
resistance to opening but nothing drastic.
--
Dave - The Medway Handyman

On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 08:49:50 +0000, David Lang wrote:

TMH, does that "cheapy" suffer this hard(er) to open issue? A
little
bit of resistance is acceptable but changing isn't. Esstentially
the
door needs to open with the same "feel" as now close automatically
past the smoke seals to latched without slamming.

You can adjust the 'close' and 'slam' independently. There is a slight
resistance to opening but nothing drastic.

Thanks, a bit of resistance is expected, after all you have to
compress the spring that provides the force to close the door. Now I
wonder when I'll next be passing a Toolsatan, when they are open.

--
Cheers
Dave.

In article ,
David Lang writes:
On 28/11/2015 15:47, Tim+ wrote:
We want a door closer for our small cloakroom which has an outward opening
door.

The door closer needs to be on the inside pulling the door closed. We have
used one of these in the past but they're a bit basic (and irritating) in
the way that they work.

http://m.screwfix.com/p/eclipse-conc...rass-mm/12108?

It would be nice to have something that give a bit more control over door
closure and doesn't look too "office like" although I accept the latter may
be hard to avoid. I don't really want to go hacking the new door about to
make clearance for rising butt hinges either.

The are plenty online but working out which one push or pull is hurting my
brain. Any advice?

Tim

These pull or push and have adjustable close and latch. I've used them
lots of times.

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Safe...+Size+3/p67547

One problem with these is you can't close the door faster than it would
close itself on its hydraulic damper. You can get ones which have an extra
joint in the arm which allow this (allows the second arm to fold if the
door is pushed shut manually), but they're much rarer.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

We want a door closer for our small cloakroom which has an outward opening
door.

The door closer needs to be on the inside pulling the door closed. We have
used one of these in the past but they're a bit basic (and irritating) in
the way that they work.

http://m.screwfix.com/p/eclipse-conc...rass-mm/12108?

It would be nice to have something that give a bit more control over door
closure and doesn't look too "office like" although I accept the latter may
be hard to avoid. I don't really want to go hacking the new door about to
make clearance for rising butt hinges either.

The are plenty online but working out which one push or pull is hurting my
brain. Any advice?

Tim


I fitted a pair of these to one of our doors, they work very well.

http://tinyurl.com/oty298s

Mike

Muddymike wrote:

I fitted a pair of these to one of our doors, they work very well.
http://tinyurl.com/oty298s

A bit heavy to carry home though ...

Muddymike wrote:

I fitted a pair of these to one of our doors, they work very well.
http://tinyurl.com/oty298s

A bit heavy to carry home though ...


What are you seeing?

Mike

Muddymike wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Muddymike wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/oty298s

A bit heavy to carry home though ...

What are you seeing?

"Total Product Weight 659 kg"

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Muddymike wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Muddymike wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/oty298s

A bit heavy to carry home though ...

What are you seeing?

"Total Product Weight 659 kg"

could they have forgotten to put the decinal point at the start? That's
the advantage of the Imperial system, it's very difficult to get such
errors.

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Please note new email address:

In message , David Lang
writes

You can adjust the 'close' and 'slam' independently. There is a slight
resistance to opening but nothing drastic.

Agreed. Even so, I fitted then had to remove one from the PO street
door because the oldies didn't like it :-(
--
Graeme

charles wrote:
In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Muddymike wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Muddymike wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/oty298s

A bit heavy to carry home though ...

What are you seeing?

"Total Product Weight 659 kg"

could they have forgotten to put the decinal point at the start? That's
the advantage of the Imperial system, it's very difficult to get such
errors.

Nevertheless, I've managed it. :-)

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

charles put finger to keyboard:

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Muddymike wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Muddymike wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/oty298s

A bit heavy to carry home though ...

What are you seeing?

"Total Product Weight 659 kg"

could they have forgotten to put the decinal point at the start? That's
the advantage of the Imperial system, it's very difficult to get such
errors.

Nigel Tufnel would disagree.

Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Tim+
wrote:

We want a door closer for our small cloakroom which has an outward opening
door.

The door closer needs to be on the inside pulling the door closed. We have
used one of these in the past but they're a bit basic (and irritating) in
the way that they work.

http://m.screwfix.com/p/eclipse-conc...rass-mm/12108?

It would be nice to have something that give a bit more control over door
closure and doesn't look too "office like" although I accept the latter may
be hard to avoid. I don't really want to go hacking the new door about to
make clearance for rising butt hinges either.

http://www.screwfix.com/p/adjustable...satin-stainles
s-steel-76-x-102mm-pack-of-2/21577

We got these for our redone bathroom and separate loo. Work fine.

Fitted now and working a treat. As our catch is nice and light it closes
the door completely which is a bonus.

Didn't have any problem winding the springs up myself though. Just did it
in stages until they were sufficiently tensioned. I did have to do a little
bit of woodwork though as they're bulkier than a standard hinge but overall
very pleased with the result.

Thanks for the heads up.

Tim