This is what they seem to be using for render round here

http://www.k-rend.co.uk/products/sil...nd-silicone-k1

Three houses in this road have knocked off the old render, seen that the
brick faces were buggered, and chosen this option. Seems like the answer
to a maiden's prayer, but any comments?

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On 04/11/2015 16:37, stuart noble wrote:
This is what they seem to be using for render round here

http://www.k-rend.co.uk/products/sil...nd-silicone-k1


Three houses in this road have knocked off the old render, seen that the
brick faces were buggered, and chosen this option. Seems like the answer
to a maiden's prayer, but any comments?


When you say that the brick faces were buggered, what makes you think
that they were ever any good? The bricks under the rendering were never
intended to be on display.

On 04/11/2015 16:53, GB wrote:
On 04/11/2015 16:37, stuart noble wrote:
This is what they seem to be using for render round here

http://www.k-rend.co.uk/products/sil...nd-silicone-k1



Three houses in this road have knocked off the old render, seen that the
brick faces were buggered, and chosen this option. Seems like the answer
to a maiden's prayer, but any comments?


When you say that the brick faces were buggered, what makes you think
that they were ever any good? The bricks under the rendering were never
intended to be on display.

Round here the fronts of the houses started out in 1900 as ok to
display, but many were subsequently pebbledashed or rendered, especially
those facing the prevailing weather

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On Wednesday, 4 November 2015 18:36:27 UTC, stuart noble wrote:
On 04/11/2015 16:53, GB wrote:
On 04/11/2015 16:37, stuart noble wrote:

Three houses in this road have knocked off the old render, seen that the
brick faces were buggered, and chosen this option. Seems like the answer
to a maiden's prayer, but any comments?


When you say that the brick faces were buggered, what makes you think
that they were ever any good? The bricks under the rendering were never
intended to be on display.

Round here the fronts of the houses started out in 1900 as ok to
display, but many were subsequently pebbledashed or rendered, especially
those facing the prevailing weather

Now you know what cement render does to soft bricks


NT

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On Wednesday, 4 November 2015 18:36:27 UTC, stuart noble wrote:
On 04/11/2015 16:53, GB wrote:
On 04/11/2015 16:37, stuart noble wrote:

Three houses in this road have knocked off the old render, seen that the
brick faces were buggered, and chosen this option. Seems like the answer
to a maiden's prayer, but any comments?


When you say that the brick faces were buggered, what makes you think
that they were ever any good? The bricks under the rendering were never
intended to be on display.

Round here the fronts of the houses started out in 1900 as ok to
display, but many were subsequently pebbledashed or rendered, especially
those facing the prevailing weather

Now you know what cement render does to soft bricks


NT


Shurely it's the chisels and hammers that do the damage?

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On 05/11/2015 03:57, jim wrote:
Wrote in message:
On Wednesday, 4 November 2015 18:36:27 UTC, stuart noble wrote:
On 04/11/2015 16:53, GB wrote:
On 04/11/2015 16:37, stuart noble wrote:

Three houses in this road have knocked off the old render, seen that the
brick faces were buggered, and chosen this option. Seems like the answer
to a maiden's prayer, but any comments?


When you say that the brick faces were buggered, what makes you think
that they were ever any good? The bricks under the rendering were never
intended to be on display.

Round here the fronts of the houses started out in 1900 as ok to
display, but many were subsequently pebbledashed or rendered, especially
those facing the prevailing weather

Now you know what cement render does to soft bricks


NT


Shurely it's the chisels and hammers that do the damage?


No, the problem is that the render is securely bonded to the brick
faces. Not everywhere, but would be a week's work chipping off the residue

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On 04/11/2015 20:04, wrote:
On Wednesday, 4 November 2015 18:36:27 UTC, stuart noble wrote:
On 04/11/2015 16:53, GB wrote:
On 04/11/2015 16:37, stuart noble wrote:

Three houses in this road have knocked off the old render, seen that the
brick faces were buggered, and chosen this option. Seems like the answer
to a maiden's prayer, but any comments?


When you say that the brick faces were buggered, what makes you think
that they were ever any good? The bricks under the rendering were never
intended to be on display.

Round here the fronts of the houses started out in 1900 as ok to
display, but many were subsequently pebbledashed or rendered, especially
those facing the prevailing weather

Now you know what cement render does to soft bricks


NT


I've known that for a long time, but some of us have to live with the
mistakes of the past. This product is said to be breathable and
flexible, which would seem to make it a no-brainer where render is a
necessary evil

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On Thursday, 5 November 2015 08:17:51 UTC, stuart noble wrote:
On 05/11/2015 03:57, jim wrote:
nt Wrote in message:
On Wednesday, 4 November 2015 18:36:27 UTC, stuart noble wrote:
On 04/11/2015 16:53, GB wrote:
On 04/11/2015 16:37, stuart noble wrote:

Three houses in this road have knocked off the old render, seen that the
brick faces were buggered, and chosen this option. Seems like the answer
to a maiden's prayer, but any comments?


When you say that the brick faces were buggered, what makes you think
that they were ever any good? The bricks under the rendering were never
intended to be on display.

Round here the fronts of the houses started out in 1900 as ok to
display, but many were subsequently pebbledashed or rendered, especially
those facing the prevailing weather

Now you know what cement render does to soft bricks


NT


Shurely it's the chisels and hammers that do the damage?


No, the problem is that the render is securely bonded to the brick
faces. Not everywhere, but would be a week's work chipping off the residue

if that's all, leave it unrendered. Do a bit of chipping & aciding now & then when time permits. Unnecessary render is mad.


NT

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This is what they seem to be using for render round here

http://www.k-rend.co.uk/products/sil...nd-silicone-k1

Three houses in this road have knocked off the old render, seen that the
brick faces were buggered, and chosen this option. Seems like the answer
to a maiden's prayer, but any comments?

It's expensive.
£16 per bag, which is the same size as a bag of plaster (25kg), this is
about enough to cover a square metre...by contrast, a m2 of normal render
will be approx £2 for the materials

An average hipped semi will be approx 80m2 so you can work out what it will
be just for k-rend, obviously access, labour and sundries will be required
as well, making it a very expensive project.

In years to come, when some bright spark has done the analysis, the
flexibility and breathabilty factors will be available in a gallon bottle
which will be added to normal render during mixing, or more likely, just to
sand, there'll probably be a polymer resin to hold it together and add
waterproofing, and some kind of poly beads to add breathability, when these
are available in pure form, then it might be worth looking at

On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 14:14:09 +0000, Phil L wrote:

This is what they seem to be using for render round here

http://www.k-rend.co.uk/products/sil...texture/krend-
silicone-k1

Three houses in this road have knocked off the old render, seen that
the brick faces were buggered, and chosen this option. Seems like the
answer to a maiden's prayer, but any comments?

It's expensive.
£16 per bag, which is the same size as a bag of plaster (25kg), this is
about enough to cover a square metre...by contrast, a m2 of normal
render will be approx £2 for the materials

An average hipped semi will be approx 80m2 so you can work out what it
will be just for k-rend, obviously access, labour and sundries will be
required as well, making it a very expensive project.

I'm not convinced the price difference IS that big an issue, when
labour's taken into consideration.

Normal render - £160 for 80m2.
This stuff - £1300 for 80m2.

Well, yes, it's a big difference - but how big a %age increase is it when
all the labour, scaffolding, etc are all costed?

On 05/11/2015 15:06, Adrian wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 14:14:09 +0000, Phil L wrote:

This is what they seem to be using for render round here

http://www.k-rend.co.uk/products/sil...texture/krend-
silicone-k1

Three houses in this road have knocked off the old render, seen that
the brick faces were buggered, and chosen this option. Seems like the
answer to a maiden's prayer, but any comments?

It's expensive.
£16 per bag, which is the same size as a bag of plaster (25kg), this is
about enough to cover a square metre...by contrast, a m2 of normal
render will be approx £2 for the materials

An average hipped semi will be approx 80m2 so you can work out what it
will be just for k-rend, obviously access, labour and sundries will be
required as well, making it a very expensive project.

I'm not convinced the price difference IS that big an issue, when
labour's taken into consideration.

Normal render - £160 for 80m2.
This stuff - £1300 for 80m2.

Well, yes, it's a big difference - but how big a %age increase is it when
all the labour, scaffolding, etc are all costed?


The latest one has had what looks like an inch of render put on. If the
product is that good, wouldn't half that be sufficient? The owner
reckons to get half a million for the house, so I suppose £1300 is
neither here nor there.

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