Looking for a penetrant to get some seized parts separated.

Does anyone have a favourite (Plusgas, WD40, WHY).
I would prefer aerosol but am not immune to being told it's much
cheaper and really no more difficult to use a liquid.

On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:28:33 +0100, soup wrote:

Looking for a penetrant to get some seized parts separated.

Does anyone have a favourite (Plusgas, WD40, WHY).

DEFINITELY not WD40. Plusgas is as good as any I've tried.

I would prefer aerosol but am not immune to being told it's much cheaper
and really no more difficult to use a liquid.

If you use it in bulk, it's cheaper to buy in bulk then fill a spray
bottle, but...

On 18/08/2015 14:54, Adrian wrote:

DEFINITELY not WD40. Plusgas is as good as any I've tried.

Does it make any difference if it's WD40 penetrant not straight WD40?

On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:54:10 +0000 (UTC), Adrian
wrote:

On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:28:33 +0100, soup wrote:

Looking for a penetrant to get some seized parts separated.

Does anyone have a favourite (Plusgas, WD40, WHY).

DEFINITELY not WD40.

All penetrating oils are simply thin oil in a solvent carrier. WD40
is mainly thin oil in lots of Stoddard Solvent (basically White
Spirit) so actually works quite well as a penetrating oil.

I would prefer aerosol but am not immune to being told it's much cheaper
and really no more difficult to use a liquid.

By far the best and cheapest penetrating oil I've come across is the
home made version of Dextron automatic transmission fluid (the red
stuff) mixed 50:50 with White Spirit.

Lots of recipes use Acetone instead of white spirit but I've found
little advantage in doing so and white spirit isn't anything like as
flammable, doesn't affect cured paint as badly, is easier to find,
doesn't dissolve plastics and is cheaper than Acetone.

ATF is basically a very good thin oil and white spirit is the major
component of all penetrating oils like PlusGas (which is nearly all
white spirit with a tiny splash of corrosion preventative) . The ATF
mixture is also pretty good for cleaning metal things up.

You can use any plastic spray bottle with this mixture or a paint
brush. Don't forget all penetrating oils take a long time to work -
they are not spray and pray with results in minutes. You either need
to apply them frequently over several days or soak the item in them
for a few days (the exception being when you can get at both the back
and front of the fastener - then they will work more quickly). If that
doesn't work then lots of heat is the solution.

"soup" wrote in message
...
Looking for a penetrant to get some seized parts separated.

Does anyone have a favourite (Plusgas, WD40, WHY).
I would prefer aerosol but am not immune to being told it's much
cheaper and really no more difficult to use a liquid.

Interesting question.
I know WD is water displacer recipe 40. According to the 5l container I
have, it is advertised as 'Penetrates, LUBRICATES and leaves protective
film'.
I also use Duck Oil which is far from bad.
By far the best penetrant I have used is some stuff called Freeway from
Applied Chemicals of Coventry. Definitely not a lubricant. We used to buy it
in 25l containers. Down to my last couple of litres now and don't know if
Applied still exist. Not cheap but very good.
Plusgas also good but I haven't used it for years.

Good luck,
Nick.

On Tuesday, 18 August 2015 15:50:29 UTC+1, Nick wrote:
"soup" wrote in message
...
Looking for a penetrant to get some seized parts separated.

Does anyone have a favourite (Plusgas, WD40, WHY).
I would prefer aerosol but am not immune to being told it's much
cheaper and really no more difficult to use a liquid.

Interesting question.
I know WD is water displacer recipe 40. According to the 5l container I
have, it is advertised as 'Penetrates, LUBRICATES and leaves protective
film'.
I also use Duck Oil which is far from bad.

you'd have thought somone would come up with snake oil for this
if you want something slimy and slippery ;-)

On 18/08/2015 14:54, Adrian wrote:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:28:33 +0100, soup wrote:

Looking for a penetrant to get some seized parts separated.

Does anyone have a favourite (Plusgas, WD40, WHY).

DEFINITELY not WD40. Plusgas is as good as any I've tried.

WD40 works a treat. Nothing wrong with it.

On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:28:33 +0100, soup wrote:

Looking for a penetrant to get some seized parts separated.

Does anyone have a favourite (Plusgas, WD40, WHY).
I would prefer aerosol but am not immune to being told it's much cheaper
and really no more difficult to use a liquid.

All the proprietary ones I've ever tried have been utter ****E. Get a
blowlamp on it and get it red hot. Never fails.

On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 19:56:36 +0000, Cursitor Doom wrote:

All the proprietary ones I've ever tried have been utter ****E. Get a
blowlamp on it and get it red hot. Never fails.

Unless, of course, the vicinity happens to include any plastic or rubber
or paint or...

On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:28:33 +0100, soup wrote:

Looking for a penetrant to get some seized parts separated.

Does anyone have a favourite (Plusgas, WD40, WHY).
I would prefer aerosol but am not immune to being told it's much cheaper
and really no more difficult to use a liquid.

I've used Plusgas for about 50 years with good results. Last time was
about 9 months ago.

On this subject, does anybody know where I put my can of plusgas? It
seems to be hiding.

On 18/08/2015 22:51, Bob Eager wrote:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:28:33 +0100, soup wrote:

Looking for a penetrant to get some seized parts separated.

Does anyone have a favourite (Plusgas, WD40, WHY).
I would prefer aerosol but am not immune to being told it's much cheaper
and really no more difficult to use a liquid.

I've used Plusgas for about 50 years with good results. Last time was
about 9 months ago.


+1 but as other have said don't always expect instant results. I
recently had a car part that would budge, even when tapping the spanner
with a lump hammer. 3 applications of plusgas over a five day period
and it came off in seconds, without the use of the hammer.

--
mailto: news {at} admac {dot] myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

Adrian put finger to keyboard:

On this subject, does anybody know where I put my can of plusgas? It
seems to be hiding.

No, but the easy way to find it is to go out and buy some more. The
original will then turn up in a couple of days.

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 08:16:32 +0000, Scion wrote:

On this subject, does anybody know where I put my can of plusgas? It
seems to be hiding.

No, but the easy way to find it is to go out and buy some more. The
original will then turn up in a couple of days.

Only to hide again when needed...

In article ,
Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:28:33 +0100, soup wrote:

Looking for a penetrant to get some seized parts separated.

Does anyone have a favourite (Plusgas, WD40, WHY). I would prefer
aerosol but am not immune to being told it's much cheaper and really
no more difficult to use a liquid.

All the proprietary ones I've ever tried have been utter ****E. Get a
blowlamp on it and get it red hot. Never fails.

+1. Penetrating oil may well work if you spend a week dosing it every day.

--
*I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Adrian put finger to keyboard:

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 08:16:32 +0000, Scion wrote:

On this subject, does anybody know where I put my can of plusgas? It
seems to be hiding.

No, but the easy way to find it is to go out and buy some more. The
original will then turn up in a couple of days.

Only to hide again when needed...

Well, natch. Maybe if you bought one can for each room in the house, and
each car, and each toolbox you would be guaranteed to never have another
seized bolt.

Scion wrote:
Adrian put finger to keyboard:

On this subject, does anybody know where I put my can of plusgas? It
seems to be hiding.

No, but the easy way to find it is to go out and buy some more. The
original will then turn up in a couple of days.

I just have about 10 cans around the place, however that means I can
only find ones with a spout when I want an aerosol and vice versa.

--
Chris Green
·

On 18/08/2015 22:56, Adrian wrote:
On this subject, does anybody know where I put my can of plusgas? It
seems to be hiding.

I think it must have has eloped with mine.

I always used to think it was quite effective, although I admit to not
having tried the ATF home brew. Whether its additives did dissolve rust
or not, I have no idea.

For convenience, the spray cans from Toolstation and pound shops work OK
for me, cheap enough to have several scattered around!

On Tuesday, 18 August 2015 20:58:19 UTC+1, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:28:33 +0100, soup wrote:

Looking for a penetrant to get some seized parts separated.

Does anyone have a favourite (Plusgas, WD40, WHY).
I would prefer aerosol but am not immune to being told it's much cheaper
and really no more difficult to use a liquid.

All the proprietary ones I've ever tried have been utter ****E. Get a
blowlamp on it and get it red hot. Never fails.

True.
But not everything will stand the heat.

"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:28:33 +0100, soup wrote:

Looking for a penetrant to get some seized parts separated.

Does anyone have a favourite (Plusgas, WD40, WHY).
I would prefer aerosol but am not immune to being told it's much cheaper
and really no more difficult to use a liquid.

All the proprietary ones I've ever tried have been utter ****E. Get a
blowlamp on it and get it red hot. Never fails.

A blowlamp will not do much for a 3 inch dia bolt. A 2" propane fired
heating gun will.
I agree with your sentiment regarding heat but that depends entirely upon
the situation.

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:10:30 +0000, Scion wrote:

On this subject, does anybody know where I put my can of plusgas? It
seems to be hiding.

No, but the easy way to find it is to go out and buy some more. The
original will then turn up in a couple of days.

Only to hide again when needed...

Well, natch. Maybe if you bought one can for each room in the house, and
each car, and each toolbox you would be guaranteed to never have another
seized bolt.

Oh, I LIKE that idea...
orders pallet

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:10:30 +0000 (UTC), Scion
wrote:

Well, natch. Maybe if you bought one can for each room in the house, and
each car, and each toolbox you would be guaranteed to never have another
seized bolt.

Not a chance, when you arrived at the remote location and lifted the
toolbox out of the car the can in the car would be knocked into the
nearby river. When you opened the toolbox you would find the can in
the toolbox fell over weeks ago and leaked all over the test meter,
sandpaper, Mars Bar and the sandwich you forgot was in there.

THEN you find the seized bolt.

In message , Peter Parry
writes
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:10:30 +0000 (UTC), Scion
wrote:

Well, natch. Maybe if you bought one can for each room in the house, and
each car, and each toolbox you would be guaranteed to never have another
seized bolt.

Not a chance, when you arrived at the remote location and lifted the
toolbox out of the car the can in the car would be knocked into the
nearby river. When you opened the toolbox you would find the can in
the toolbox fell over weeks ago and leaked all over the test meter,
sandpaper, Mars Bar and the sandwich you forgot was in there.

THEN you find the seized bolt.


Yup, hoe many tape measures have I bought over the years? How many can I
find on any one occasions?
--
Chris French

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 19:38:33 +0100, Chris French
wrote:



Not a chance, when you arrived at the remote location and lifted the
toolbox out of the car the can in the car would be knocked into the
nearby river. When you opened the toolbox you would find the can in
the toolbox fell over weeks ago and leaked all over the test meter,
sandpaper, Mars Bar and the sandwich you forgot was in there.

THEN you find the seized bolt.


Yup, hoe many tape measures have I bought over the years? How many can I
find on any one occasions?

That's the Rules of nature.


G.Harman

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:29:04 +0100, Nick wrote:

"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:28:33 +0100, soup wrote:

Looking for a penetrant to get some seized parts separated.

Does anyone have a favourite (Plusgas, WD40, WHY).
I would prefer aerosol but am not immune to being told it's much
cheaper and really no more difficult to use a liquid.

All the proprietary ones I've ever tried have been utter ****E. Get a
blowlamp on it and get it red hot. Never fails.

A blowlamp will not do much for a 3 inch dia bolt. A 2" propane fired
heating gun will.
I agree with your sentiment regarding heat but that depends entirely
upon the situation.

Sorry, I was speaking generically. Ideally, use oxy-acetylene as it's
true an ordinary blowlamp will struggle to provide the necessary heat
output as apart from its chemical energy, it's impossible to focus a
decent cone.

On Wednesday, 19 August 2015 19:43:22 UTC+1, Chris French wrote:

Yup, hoe many tape measures have I bought over the years? How many can I
find on any one occasions?

Ah, well, that's a bit of a 'How long is a piece of string?' type question... which I suspect you are not in a position to answer... ;-)

In message , alan_m
writes
On 18/08/2015 22:51, Bob Eager wrote:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:28:33 +0100, soup wrote:

Looking for a penetrant to get some seized parts separated.

Does anyone have a favourite (Plusgas, WD40, WHY).
I would prefer aerosol but am not immune to being told it's much cheaper
and really no more difficult to use a liquid.

I've used Plusgas for about 50 years with good results. Last time was
about 9 months ago.


+1 but as other have said don't always expect instant results. I
recently had a car part that would budge, even when tapping the spanner
with a lump hammer. 3 applications of plusgas over a five day period
and it came off in seconds, without the use of the hammer.

Don't forget that instead of simply trying to slacken a seized nut, it
often helps if you first try to tighten it (especially if the flats have
been rounded by failed attempts to slacken).
--
Ian

On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 15:39:24 +0100, Peter Parry wrote:

WD40 is mainly thin oil in lots of Stoddard Solvent (basically White
Spirit) so actually works quite well as a penetrating oil.

Not as well as Plusgas in my experience.

By far the best and cheapest penetrating oil I've come across is the
home made version of Dextron automatic transmission fluid (the red
stuff) mixed 50:50 with White Spirit.

Diesel is supposed to be quite good but I've normally reached for and
used Plusgas before I remember to try diesel. Kerosene isn't that
good.

--
Cheers
Dave.