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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I agree.
I don't think UKIP had well-thought-out policies in any area,
even immigration.

Actually you can remove everything in that sentence after t5he word
think, and it makes much more sense.


That'll be why they've sacked their manifesto writer, then?

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 23/06/15 10:48, John Chance wrote:
they will get
to vote in the referendum on leaving the EU
and will lose that referendum, you watch.

Indeed. If there is one thing that is clear, it is that the British
electorate will lose the referendum no matter what they vote.

Its designed to be that way.

Yeah, yeah, its all a gigantic conspiracy.

Just like forcing Farage to resign and look so completely
dishonest being dragged back kicking a screaming to be
the top banana of UKIP again, eh ?

"Timothy Murphy" wrote in message
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John Chance wrote:

Shame they had no idea what to do when they got there.

Sure, but that's true of almost all new parties and is what
happened with Labour when they were first the government too.

I don't think that is true.
The Labour Party had done a huge amount of research and preparation
during the war years, and the Attlee goverment had policies in place
in most areas.

I wasn't talking about the Attlee government, the first Labour
government was Ramsey McDonald. Sure, he certainly had a
hell of a problem with it only being a minority government
and the Liberals refusing to allow most of what he wanted to do.

And would happen in spades if UKIP was ever the govt,
which it never will be.

I agree.
I don't think UKIP had well-thought-out policies in any area,
even immigration.

The problem with UKIP is that Farage deliberately flagrantly
overstates stuff to get the publicity and then when everyone
howls about what he has just said, claims that he didn't mean
that. That makes it very difficult to be clear just what they would
do if they were ever the government. Not that that matters
because there isn't even the remotest possibility of that ever
happening and its much more likely that UKIP will just implode
completely into complete irrelevance politically if they can't do
any better in the next general election than they did this time
or Carswell decides to make an obscene gesture in their
general direction and they end up with not even one MP.

On 23/06/15 20:12, John Chance wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 23/06/15 10:48, John Chance wrote:
they will get
to vote in the referendum on leaving the EU
and will lose that referendum, you watch.

Indeed. If there is one thing that is clear, it is that the British
electorate will lose the referendum no matter what they vote.

Its designed to be that way.

Yeah, yeah, its all a gigantic conspiracy.

Just like forcing Farage to resign and look so completely
dishonest being dragged back kicking a screaming to be
the top banana of UKIP again, eh ?


I see that the hatred the Left cossets in its breasts is now to be
launched againts Nigel and UKIP.

Is that because in general Labour is losing votes to UKIP?

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 23/06/15 20:12, John Chance wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 23/06/15 10:48, John Chance wrote:
they will get
to vote in the referendum on leaving the EU
and will lose that referendum, you watch.

Indeed. If there is one thing that is clear, it is that the British
electorate will lose the referendum no matter what they vote.

Its designed to be that way.

Yeah, yeah, its all a gigantic conspiracy.

Just like forcing Farage to resign and look so completely
dishonest being dragged back kicking a screaming to be
the top banana of UKIP again, eh ?


I see that the hatred the Left cossets in its breasts

You dont actually, I have never voted Labour in my life
or for any further left than that like the Greens either.

is now to be
launched againts Nigel and UKIP.

No point, they self destruct so enthusiastically unaided.

Is that because in general Labour is losing votes to UKIP?

You'd better ask someone of the left like Dave.

IMO that is unlikely given that he has seen the number of UKIP
seats halved just recently but you'll have to ask him about that.

They haven't been denied a voice, they will get
to vote in the referendum on leaving the EU
and will lose that referendum, you watch.

they may decode to abandon the ballot box altogether

Doesnt matter a damn if they do, there aren't enough of them to matter.


Not many Isis members, or IRA, or any other group that can put a king
size spanner in the works. Giving them a voice at least helps to take
the wind out of their sails

"stuart noble" wrote in message
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They haven't been denied a voice, they will get
to vote in the referendum on leaving the EU
and will lose that referendum, you watch.

they may decode to abandon the ballot box altogether

Doesnt matter a damn if they do, there aren't enough of them to matter.


Not many Isis members, or IRA, or any other group that can put a king size
spanner in the works.

Yes, not enough to matter in any modern first world country.

Giving them a voice at least helps to take the wind out of their sails

Like hell it does, they dont bother to vote.

"John Chance" wrote in message
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"stuart noble" wrote in message
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They haven't been denied a voice, they will get
to vote in the referendum on leaving the EU
and will lose that referendum, you watch.

they may decode to abandon the ballot box altogether

Doesnt matter a damn if they do, there aren't enough of them to matter.


Not many Isis members, or IRA, or any other group that can put a king
size spanner in the works.

Yes, not enough to matter in any modern first world country.

Giving them a voice at least helps to take the wind out of their sails

Like hell it does, they dont bother to vote.

In fact you see more of those in PR systems than you do in FPP systems.