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I have a 2001 Nissan Almera Tino. The front wipers started playing up (only working occasionally), and then stopped altogether. I'm trying to eliminate possible causes in a logical sequence. The 30A fuse is OK. I then guessed it was the motor, so I got hold of a working motor but found that when I plugged it in and switchin on, it didn't turn. I guess the fault could be either the switch or the relay. Do relays often go wrong, and is there a way to check them? Thank you, Phil K |
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On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 4:08:24 PM UTC, Phil K wrote:
Hi all, I have a 2001 Nissan Almera Tino. The front wipers started playing up (only working occasionally), and then stopped altogether. I'm trying to eliminate possible causes in a logical sequence. The 30A fuse is OK. I then guessed it was the motor, so I got hold of a working motor but found that when I plugged it in and switchin on, it didn't turn. I guess the fault could be either the switch or the relay. Do relays often go wrong, and is there a way to check them? Thank you, Phil K Use a multimeter to find what's faulty NT |
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Phil K wrote: I have a 2001 Nissan Almera Tino. The front wipers started playing up (only working occasionally), and then stopped altogether. I'm trying to eliminate possible causes in a logical sequence. The 30A fuse is OK. I then guessed it was the motor, so I got hold of a working motor but found that when I plugged it in and switchin on, it didn't turn. I guess the fault could be either the switch or the relay. Do relays often go wrong, and is there a way to check them? They can, but it's more likely to be the switch. Does the relay click? -- *We have enough youth, how about a fountain of Smart? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 16/01/2015 16:08, Phil K wrote:
Hi all, I have a 2001 Nissan Almera Tino. The front wipers started playing up (only working occasionally), and then stopped altogether. I'm trying to eliminate possible causes in a logical sequence. The 30A fuse is OK. I then guessed it was the motor, so I got hold of a working motor but found that when I plugged it in and switchin on, it didn't turn. I guess the fault could be either the switch or the relay. Do relays often go wrong, and is there a way to check them? Thank you, Phil K Jumping pins 3 and 5 (switch contacts) of the wiper power supply relay should remove that from the investigation, failing that check the grounds - everything else is built into the switch... |
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Phil K wrote in :
Hi all, I have a 2001 Nissan Almera Tino. The front wipers started playing up (only working occasionally), and then stopped altogether. I'm trying to eliminate possible causes in a logical sequence. The 30A fuse is OK. I then guessed it was the motor, so I got hold of a working motor but found that when I plugged it in and switchin on, it didn't turn. I guess the fault could be either the switch or the relay. Do relays often go wrong, and is there a way to check them? Thank you, Phil K They have some strange wiring as the earth acts as a brake. To park, the armature windings are shorted when the power is removed when the internal switch gets to the parking position. |
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On 16/01/2015 16:08, Phil K wrote:
Hi all, I have a 2001 Nissan Almera Tino. The front wipers started playing up (only working occasionally), and then stopped altogether. I'm trying to eliminate possible causes in a logical sequence. The 30A fuse is OK. I then guessed it was the motor, so I got hold of a working motor but found that when I plugged it in and switchin on, it didn't turn. I guess the fault could be either the switch or the relay. Do relays often go wrong, and is there a way to check them? Thank you, Phil K Looking at the wiring diagram, you should be able to swap the front wiper relay for the rear wiper relay. That might be a better test if you are not comfortable with stuffing wires in relay sockets |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
: They can, but it's more likely to be the switch. Does the relay click? No, the relay doesn't cklick when I turn the wipers on.] Phil |
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Lee wrote in :
Looking at the wiring diagram, you should be able to swap the front wiper relay for the rear wiper relay. That might be a better test if you are not comfortable with stuffing wires in relay sockets Great - thanks. I will try that, tomorrow when daylight returns. I can see two relays in there, one is blue and the other is black. They are exactly the same size and shape. I will try swapping them over. Regards,Phil |
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Well a now deceased friend had no end of issues with relays. The placement
under the wing did not help as crud got into the box and played havoc with them. Assuming its switching the high current with a relay, and assuming no chafed wres, then seems the next logical place to look. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active "Phil K" wrote in message ... Hi all, I have a 2001 Nissan Almera Tino. The front wipers started playing up (only working occasionally), and then stopped altogether. I'm trying to eliminate possible causes in a logical sequence. The 30A fuse is OK. I then guessed it was the motor, so I got hold of a working motor but found that when I plugged it in and switchin on, it didn't turn. I guess the fault could be either the switch or the relay. Do relays often go wrong, and is there a way to check them? Thank you, Phil K |
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AL_n wrote: Great - thanks. I will try that, tomorrow when daylight returns. I can see two relays in there, one is blue and the other is black. They are exactly the same size and shape. I will try swapping them over. Be careful. There is a big range of 'relays' with the standard pin layout so will physically fit - but may well not be the same. Especially if maker's ones and a different colour. -- *A cubicle is just a padded cell without a door. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 16/01/2015 17:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , AL_n wrote: Great - thanks. I will try that, tomorrow when daylight returns. I can see two relays in there, one is blue and the other is black. They are exactly the same size and shape. I will try swapping them over. Be careful. There is a big range of 'relays' with the standard pin layout so will physically fit - but may well not be the same. Especially if maker's ones and a different colour. +1 Well yes and even more so if they are different colours. In this case the wiring digram http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/download.php?id=433394 suggests they are simple SPDT relays with only the NO/common connection being used, so swapping them shouldn't cause a problem - as long as the OP has identified the right pair Not sure what it will prove anyway, unless the relay coil is faulty, as they are only used to provide a power feed with the ignition switch on. As said, everything else is handled by the switch (and motor). |
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Phil K wrote
Hi all, all hanged himself, got too many questions. I have a 2001 Nissan Almera Tino. Where do they get these stupid names from ? The front wipers started playing up (only working occasionally), and then stopped altogether. I'm trying to eliminate possible causes in a logical sequence. The 30A fuse is OK. I then guessed it was the motor, so I got hold of a working motor but found that when I plugged it in and switchin on, it didn't turn. I guess the fault could be either the switch or the relay. Or even the wiring. Do relays often go wrong, They certainly can fail. and is there a way to check them? Yes, but you do have to know how to do that and if you have to ask, you clearly don’t. |
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Rod Speed wrote: Do relays often go wrong, They certainly can fail. That is not the same as 'often go wrong'. Try understanding the post. -- *Santa's helpers are subordinate clauses* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Phil K wrote Hi all, all hanged himself, got too many questions. I have a 2001 Nissan Almera Tino. Where do they get these stupid names from ? The front wipers started playing up (only working occasionally), and then stopped altogether. I'm trying to eliminate possible causes in a logical sequence. The 30A fuse is OK. I then guessed it was the motor, so I got hold of a working motor but found that when I plugged it in and switchin on, it didn't turn. I guess the fault could be either the switch or the relay. Or even the wiring. Do relays often go wrong, They certainly can fail. and is there a way to check them? Yes, but you do have to know how to do that and if you have to ask, you clearly don’t. LOL prick |
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Phil K wrote Hi all, all hanged himself, got too many questions. I have a 2001 Nissan Almera Tino. Where do they get these stupid names from ? The front wipers started playing up (only working occasionally), and then stopped altogether. I'm trying to eliminate possible causes in a logical sequence. The 30A fuse is OK. I then guessed it was the motor, so I got hold of a working motor but found that when I plugged it in and switchin on, it didn't turn. I guess the fault could be either the switch or the relay. Or even the wiring. Do relays often go wrong, They certainly can fail. and is there a way to check them? Yes, but you do have to know how to do that and if you have to ask, you clearly don’t. Tell us what you know about camel shagging in the sahara. Where did you get the T-shirt? |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote Do relays often go wrong, They certainly can fail. That is not the same as 'often go wrong'. Duh. Try understanding the post. Understood the post fine. I commented on where the problem could be in the rest of my response that you carefully deleted from the quoting so you could snipe like a 2 year old from the sidelines. Its obvious why you got killfiled. |
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Rod Speed wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote Rod Speed wrote Do relays often go wrong, They certainly can fail. That is not the same as 'often go wrong'. Duh. Try understanding the post. Understood the post fine. But then gave an unhelpful answer? I commented on where the problem could be in the rest of my response that you carefully deleted from the quoting I snipped the part with no useful information. Which should really have been it all. so you could snipe like a 2 year old from the sidelines. Tee hee. Its obvious why you got killfiled. But not by you, sadly. -- *Xerox and Wurlitzer will merge to market reproductive organs. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Lee wrote in
: On 16/01/2015 17:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , AL_n wrote: Great - thanks. I will try that, tomorrow when daylight returns. I can see two relays in there, one is blue and the other is black. They are exactly the same size and shape. I will try swapping them over. Be careful. There is a big range of 'relays' with the standard pin layout so will physically fit - but may well not be the same. Especially if maker's ones and a different colour. +1 Well yes and even more so if they are different colours. In this case the wiring digram http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/download.php?id=433394 suggests they are simple SPDT relays with only the NO/common connection being used, so swapping them shouldn't cause a problem - as long as the OP has identified the right pair Not sure what it will prove anyway, unless the relay coil is faulty, as they are only used to provide a power feed with the ignition switch on. As said, everything else is handled by the switch (and motor). Update: I took the lower dash panel off so I could see into the fuse/relay compartment. I was assuming that the black relay I could see was the wiper relay because it looks exacly like one I'd seen on ebay described as front+rear wiper relay. http://tinyurl.com/nsat7kh However, when I removed both relays (the blue one and the adjacent black one, everything on the car still works! (Apart from the front wiper, that is.) I checked: blinkers, headlights, starter motor, rear wiper. So now I'm stumped. There is a discussion thread somewhere on the net where someone confidently states that the wiper relay is in that compartment. And one of the relays in there certainly appears identical to the one at the above URL. There is one other relay in there, and it's about 50% bigger in size and more square in section (approx 30mm x 30mm) and has 'Nissan' and a long part number on it that's hard to read. I tried pulling that out but it doesn't want to come out. There may be some hidden clip that needs releasing. . Any suggestions? Thank you again. Phil K |
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Phil K wrote: There is one other relay in there, and it's about 50% bigger in size and more square in section (approx 30mm x 30mm) and has 'Nissan' and a long part number on it that's hard to read. I tried pulling that out but it doesn't want to come out. There may be some hidden clip that needs releasing. . Any suggestions? Thank you again. It's one of those things it would be best to have a circuit diagram for - without having exact knowledge of how your model does things. For example it's possible the relay only does the delayed wipe function. Or even is just part of the parking circuit. Either of which could have an effect on the operation of the whole. It's a bit of a minefield. However, one relay isn't going to control low and high speeds and intermittent. The switch normally does that - possibly using several relays. -- *My luck is so bad that if I bought a cemetery, people would stop dying. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Phil K wrote in
: Lee wrote in : On 16/01/2015 17:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , AL_n wrote: Great - thanks. I will try that, tomorrow when daylight returns. I can see two relays in there, one is blue and the other is black. They are exactly the same size and shape. I will try swapping them over. Be careful. There is a big range of 'relays' with the standard pin layout so will physically fit - but may well not be the same. Especially if maker's ones and a different colour. +1 Well yes and even more so if they are different colours. In this case the wiring digram http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/download.php?id=433394 suggests they are simple SPDT relays with only the NO/common connection being used, so swapping them shouldn't cause a problem - as long as the OP has identified the right pair Not sure what it will prove anyway, unless the relay coil is faulty, as they are only used to provide a power feed with the ignition switch on. As said, everything else is handled by the switch (and motor). Update: I took the lower dash panel off so I could see into the fuse/relay compartment. I was assuming that the black relay I could see was the wiper relay because it looks exacly like one I'd seen on ebay described as front+rear wiper relay. http://tinyurl.com/nsat7kh However, when I removed both relays (the blue one and the adjacent black one, everything on the car still works! (Apart from the front wiper, that is.) I checked: blinkers, headlights, starter motor, rear wiper. So now I'm stumped. There is a discussion thread somewhere on the net where someone confidently states that the wiper relay is in that compartment. And one of the relays in there certainly appears identical to the one at the above URL. There is one other relay in there, and it's about 50% bigger in size and more square in section (approx 30mm x 30mm) and has 'Nissan' and a long part number on it that's hard to read. I tried pulling that out but it doesn't want to come out. There may be some hidden clip that needs releasing. . Any suggestions? Thank you again. Phil K PS - Correction: After I pulled the two relays, the windows stopped working. Replacing the blue relay restored power to the windows. The adjacent black relay that might be the front wiper relay is part number 4RD 007 814-04 It looks identical to the one in the eBay link http://tinyurl.com/nsat7kh The bigger black relay that I can't pull out is part number 24330 0900 it measures about 1" x 1" x 2" Phil K |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
: It's one of those things it would be best to have a circuit diagram for - without having exact knowledge of how your model does things. I have scanned the wiper circuits page fropm my Haynes manual he http://www.p-p-p.in/ Thanks, Phil K |
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Phil K wrote in :
I have scanned the wiper circuits page fropm my Haynes manual he http://www.p-p-p.in/ PS - just to clarify, the manual covers Nissan Almera and Nissan Almera TINO models, from 200 to 2007. My car is the TINO model, yr 2001. Regards, Phil K |
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On 17/01/15 12:38, Phil K wrote:
Phil K wrote in : Lee wrote in : On 16/01/2015 17:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , AL_n wrote: Great - thanks. I will try that, tomorrow when daylight returns. I can see two relays in there, one is blue and the other is black. They are exactly the same size and shape. I will try swapping them over. Be careful. There is a big range of 'relays' with the standard pin layout so will physically fit - but may well not be the same. Especially if maker's ones and a different colour. +1 Well yes and even more so if they are different colours. In this case the wiring digram http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/download.php?id=433394 suggests they are simple SPDT relays with only the NO/common connection being used, so swapping them shouldn't cause a problem - as long as the OP has identified the right pair Not sure what it will prove anyway, unless the relay coil is faulty, as they are only used to provide a power feed with the ignition switch on. As said, everything else is handled by the switch (and motor). Update: I took the lower dash panel off so I could see into the fuse/relay compartment. I was assuming that the black relay I could see was the wiper relay because it looks exacly like one I'd seen on ebay described as front+rear wiper relay. http://tinyurl.com/nsat7kh However, when I removed both relays (the blue one and the adjacent black one, everything on the car still works! (Apart from the front wiper, that is.) I checked: blinkers, headlights, starter motor, rear wiper. So now I'm stumped. There is a discussion thread somewhere on the net where someone confidently states that the wiper relay is in that compartment. And one of the relays in there certainly appears identical to the one at the above URL. There is one other relay in there, and it's about 50% bigger in size and more square in section (approx 30mm x 30mm) and has 'Nissan' and a long part number on it that's hard to read. I tried pulling that out but it doesn't want to come out. There may be some hidden clip that needs releasing. . Any suggestions? Thank you again. Phil K PS - Correction: After I pulled the two relays, the windows stopped working. Replacing the blue relay restored power to the windows. The adjacent black relay that might be the front wiper relay is part number 4RD 007 814-04 It looks identical to the one in the eBay link http://tinyurl.com/nsat7kh The bigger black relay that I can't pull out is part number 24330 0900 it measures about 1" x 1" x 2" Phil K I had two relays go weird on me. In one case dismantling it and using emery board on te contacts restore XJS rear window demister to order In the other case plugging it in again made it work. Corroded contacts are the most common source of relay failure - on normal voltages the coils cant burn out or arc over and short. Another failure mode happened last week on friends Citrone. No wasers ether front or rear. In the end we determined that there was abut a single two wire motor that was getting + or - 12v. Pulled it out. just went 'clunk' on application of 12v Further dismantling revealed that the motor - what in model aeroplane terms would be called a 'speed 400' - had simply seized its main plain bearings. wiper motors are a bit more meaty than that, but they too should work on application of 12v if removed. They do have park switches as well of course. Once you ID the parts in the chain its not hard to test them one item at a time with a volt or resistance meter. -- Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll |
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Lee wrote in :
Jumping pins 3 and 5 (switch contacts) of the wiper power supply relay should remove that from the investigation, failing that check the grounds - everything else is built into the switch... Thanks for the tip. How do I do this? I have identified pins 3 & 5 on the relay that I think is the front wiper relay. Do I bridge the sockets for these pins, using a bent paper clip with one end going into pin-socket 3 and the other end in pin-socket 5? Is that the way to do it? Phil K |
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Lee wrote in
: Jumping pins 3 and 5 (switch contacts) of the wiper power supply relay should remove that from the investigation, failing that check the grounds - everything else is built into the switch... Thanks for the tip. How do I do this? I have identified pins 3 & 5 on the relay that I think is the front wiper relay. Do I bridge the sockets for these pins, using a bent paper clip with one end going into pin-socket 3 and the other end in pin-socket 5? Is that the way to do it? Phil K |
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Phil K wrote in
: "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in : It's one of those things it would be best to have a circuit diagram for - without having exact knowledge of how your model does things. I have scanned the wiper circuits page fropm my Haynes manual he http://www.p-p-p.in/ Thanks, Phil K PS - just to clarify, the manual covers Nissan Almera and Nissan Almera TINO models, from 200 to 2007. My car is the TINO model, yr 2001. Regards, Phil K |
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Phil K wrote: wrote in news:a3130bac-ab22-4485-8844-151d5e9e6370 @googlegroups.com: Use a multimeter to find what's faulty Thanks. While I have used a multi-meter for very basic tests, I'm not really experienced enough to use it reliably for circuits of this type of complexity. The circuit as such isn't terribly complicated. The way Haynes have drawn it - covering several variations - is. Still looking at it. -- *Oh, what a tangled website we weave when first we practice * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Phil K wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in : It's one of those things it would be best to have a circuit diagram for - without having exact knowledge of how your model does things. I have scanned the wiper circuits page fropm my Haynes manual he http://www.p-p-p.in/ Right. The relay appears to supply power to the wiper circuit all the time the ignition is on. So you should see 12v at what is labelled terminal 3 on it in your diagram, with the ignition on. I've no idea if the terminal markings on the actual relay correspond to the diagram ones, though. To test that relay - again using the numbers on your diagram, connect your DVM set to continuity to pins 3 and 5. Should be no continuity. Apply 12v to pins 1&2, and the relay should make and the meter show continuity. -- *Why don't sheep shrink when it rains? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
: Thanks. While I have used a multi-meter for very basic tests, I'm not really experienced enough to use it reliably for circuits of this type of complexity. The circuit as such isn't terribly complicated. The way Haynes have drawn it - covering several variations - is. Still looking at it. Much appreciated. It appears the far right section of the diagram applies to my 2001 model. If the next step is to bridge two of the relay pins, to eliminate the relay, can you confirm that it's pins 3 & 5 that I should bridge? (I don't want to cause a short.) Phil K |
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Phil wrote in : "Dave Plowman wrote in : It's one of those things it would be best to have a circuit diagram for - without having exact knowledge of how your model does things. I have scanned the wiper circuits page fropm my Haynes manual he http://www.p-p-p.in/ Thanks, Phil K PS - just to clarify, the manual covers Nissan Almera and Nissan Almera TINO models, from 200 to 2007. My car is the TINO model, yr 2001. Regards, Phil K Looks to me like the front and rear wiper relays are identical. Check the part numbers and if so, just swap them over. |
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Any suggestions? Thank you again. Phil K The Nissan parts catalogue for the 2001 Tino shows both front and rear wiper relays reside in the engine bay, drivers side, near the headlights. Should be black with part number: 252309F905 |
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On 17/01/2015 13:49, Lee wrote:
On 17/01/2015 12:02, Phil K wrote: Any suggestions? Thank you again. Phil K The Nissan parts catalogue for the 2001 Tino shows both front and rear wiper relays reside in the engine bay, drivers side, near the headlights. Should be black with part number: 252309F905 Urgh, unless your car is an 1.8, in that case it's inside near the electric window relay. Why do they do that? What difference does engine size make to the positioning of relays? |
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Lee wrote in
: The Nissan parts catalogue for the 2001 Tino shows both front and rear wiper relays reside in the engine bay, drivers side, near the headlights. Should be black with part number: 252309F905 Urgh, unless your car is an 1.8, in that case it's inside near the electric window relay. Why do they do that? What difference does engine size make to the positioning of relays? Lee - Thats very helpful - thanks! y Tino is the 1.8 petrol model. This suggests that the relay I was identifying as the front wiper relay is correct. It is right next to the window relay. (I identified the window relay, because removing it stops the windows from working.) So What I'd like to know is: how do I test the wiper relay? I cannot switch the blue one with the black one (for testing purposes) because one has four pins and the other has five. Phil K |
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Front windscreen wiper relay faulty?
On 17/01/2015 14:38, Phil K wrote:
Lee wrote in : The Nissan parts catalogue for the 2001 Tino shows both front and rear wiper relays reside in the engine bay, drivers side, near the headlights. Should be black with part number: 252309F905 Urgh, unless your car is an 1.8, in that case it's inside near the electric window relay. Why do they do that? What difference does engine size make to the positioning of relays? Lee - Thats very helpful - thanks! y Tino is the 1.8 petrol model. This suggests that the relay I was identifying as the front wiper relay is correct. It is right next to the window relay. (I identified the window relay, because removing it stops the windows from working.) So What I'd like to know is: how do I test the wiper relay? I cannot switch the blue one with the black one (for testing purposes) because one has four pins and the other has five. Phil K There should still be an identical rear wiper relay, it's not exactly obvious where it is though, have you looked in the relay bracket near the headlight? Otherwise same way, short the two contacts in the relay socket* or use a DMM on the relay switch contacts and 12v on the relay coil as someone else instructed. A third way, is see if you can get the case of the relay, some come apart quite easily, you can then see visually whether it's working or not. *All you are doing is shorting the same two pins that the relay does, but I understand that some may have reservations about doing that. |
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Front windscreen wiper relay faulty?
On 17/01/2015 14:38, Phil K wrote:
So What I'd like to know is: how do I test the wiper relay? I cannot switch the blue one with the black one (for testing purposes) because one has four pins and the other has five. Phil K Does this make any sense to anyone: http://nissan4u.com/parts/almera_tin...llustration_2/ It looks like the rear one should be there, even if the front one is in the internal relay bracket? |
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Front windscreen wiper relay faulty?
On 17 Jan 2015 13:47:17 GMT, Phil K wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in : Thanks. While I have used a multi-meter for very basic tests, I'm not really experienced enough to use it reliably for circuits of this type of complexity. The circuit as such isn't terribly complicated. The way Haynes have drawn it - covering several variations - is. Still looking at it. Much appreciated. It appears the far right section of the diagram applies to my 2001 model. If the next step is to bridge two of the relay pins, to eliminate the relay, can you confirm that it's pins 3 & 5 that I should bridge? (I don't want to cause a short.) Actually, that's exactly what you want to do, cause a short (but _not_ in the _wrong_ place). :-) -- J B Good |
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Front windscreen wiper relay faulty?
"Lee" wrote in message ... On 17/01/2015 13:49, Lee wrote: On 17/01/2015 12:02, Phil K wrote: Any suggestions? Thank you again. Phil K The Nissan parts catalogue for the 2001 Tino shows both front and rear wiper relays reside in the engine bay, drivers side, near the headlights. Should be black with part number: 252309F905 Urgh, unless your car is an 1.8, in that case it's inside near the electric window relay. Why do they do that? Because they are completely ****ing hopeless. What difference does engine size make to the positioning of relays? Presumably some engines are different size physically. |
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Front windscreen wiper relay faulty?
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote Dave Plowman (News) wrote Rod Speed wrote Do relays often go wrong, They certainly can fail. That is not the same as 'often go wrong'. Duh. Try understanding the post. Understood the post fine. But then gave an unhelpful answer? You're lying thru your teeth as you always do when you have got done like a ****ing dinner, as you always are. I commented on where the problem could be in the rest of my response that you carefully deleted from the quoting I snipped the part with no useful information. You're lying thru your teeth as you always do when you have got done like a ****ing dinner, as you always are. all the rest of your puerile **** any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs |
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Rod Speed wrote: But then gave an unhelpful answer? You're lying thru your teeth as you always do when you have got done like a ****ing dinner, as you always are. You have all of four posts in this thread. None of which even attempt to help with the problem. QED. -- *I went to school to become a wit, only got halfway through. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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