I'm making some free standing heavy duty shelving kits at the mo for a project where spending money would be against the people's religion. Have just been given a bunch of wood for uprights that's a bit too short, plus matching short pieces. I'm wondering whether and how its practical to join bits end to end to solve this - if I dont, I'm left with a load of wood to get shot of. The joined on bit would only support the top shelf. The uprights are 1.5x3.5 to 2x4.

So far I've considered:

A butt joint with 2 or 4 screws at an angle. Quick & easy - I like that - if its stable enough this would be the easy option.

A Z shaped joint, where the slanty bit of the Z is actually upright, not slanty. A good bit more stable, but I cant think how to easily do the central cut. Hand chiselling a load of partial circ saw cuts isnt something I want to be doing.

A simple scarf joint would work, but is wasteful of wood, makes no use whatever of the woods ability to support itself, and the mitre saw doesnt cut far enough to do them, making repeatability a problem.

Would a butt joint do it?


NT

On 06/22/2014 12:11 PM, wrote:
I'm making some free standing heavy duty shelving kits at the mo for a project where spending money would be against the people's religion. Have just been given a bunch of wood for uprights that's a bit too short, plus matching short pieces. I'm wondering whether and how its practical to join bits end to end to solve this - if I dont, I'm left with a load of wood to get shot of. The joined on bit would only support the top shelf. The uprights are 1.5x3.5 to 2x4.

So far I've considered:

A butt joint with 2 or 4 screws at an angle. Quick & easy - I like that - if its stable enough this would be the easy option.

A Z shaped joint, where the slanty bit of the Z is actually upright, not slanty. A good bit more stable, but I cant think how to easily do the central cut. Hand chiselling a load of partial circ saw cuts isnt something I want to be doing.

A simple scarf joint would work, but is wasteful of wood, makes no use whatever of the woods ability to support itself, and the mitre saw doesnt cut far enough to do them, making repeatability a problem.

Would a butt joint do it?


NT


What about a simple L shape, glued and screwed?

Andy C

In article ,
wrote:
I'm making some free standing heavy duty shelving kits at the mo for a
project where spending money would be against the people's religion. Have
just been given a bunch of wood for uprights that's a bit too short, plus
matching short pieces. I'm wondering whether and how its practical to
join bits end to end to solve this - if I dont, I'm left with a load of
wood to get shot of. The joined on bit would only support the top shelf.
The uprights are 1.5x3.5 to 2x4.

So far I've considered:

A butt joint with 2 or 4 screws at an angle. Quick & easy - I like that -
if its stable enough this would be the easy option.

use joining plates (eg: Screwfix 66707) on both sides rather than angled
screws.

A Z shaped joint, where the slanty bit of the Z is actually upright, not
slanty. A good bit more stable, but I cant think how to easily do the
central cut. Hand chiselling a load of partial circ saw cuts isnt
something I want to be doing.

A simple scarf joint would work, but is wasteful of wood, makes no use
whatever of the woods ability to support itself, and the mitre saw doesnt
cut far enough to do them, making repeatability a problem.

Would a butt joint do it?


NT

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On Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:29:31 PM UTC+1, charles wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
I'm making some free standing heavy duty shelving kits at the mo for a
project where spending money would be against the people's religion. Have
just been given a bunch of wood for uprights that's a bit too short, plus
matching short pieces. I'm wondering whether and how its practical to
join bits end to end to solve this - if I dont, I'm left with a load of
wood to get shot of. The joined on bit would only support the top shelf.
The uprights are 1.5x3.5 to 2x4.
So far I've considered:
A butt joint with 2 or 4 screws at an angle. Quick & easy - I like that -
if its stable enough this would be the easy option.
use joining plates (eg: Screwfix 66707) on both sides rather than angled
screws.
A Z shaped joint, where the slanty bit of the Z is actually upright, not
slanty. A good bit more stable, but I cant think how to easily do the
central cut. Hand chiselling a load of partial circ saw cuts isnt
something I want to be doing.
A simple scarf joint would work, but is wasteful of wood, makes no use
whatever of the woods ability to support itself, and the mitre saw doesnt
cut far enough to do them, making repeatability a problem.
Would a butt joint do it?
NT

I did consider using wood offcuts in the same manner. Its ugly/bulky though.


NT

On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 04:11:48 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Would a butt joint do it?



Yes - but use a dowel.

On 22/06/2014 13:31, Andy Burns wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 04:11:48 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Would a butt joint do it?



Yes - but use a dowel.


The second hole doesn't need to be remotely accurate if you fill it with
2 part filler and line the two pieces up before it sets. Did my newel
post like that many moons ago

On 22/06/2014 12:11, wrote:
I'm making some free standing heavy duty shelving kits at the mo for a project where spending money would be against the people's religion. Have just been given a bunch of wood for uprights that's a bit too short, plus matching short pieces. I'm wondering whether and how its practical to join bits end to end to solve this - if I dont, I'm left with a load of wood to get shot of. The joined on bit would only support the top shelf. The uprights are 1.5x3.5 to 2x4.

So far I've considered:

A butt joint with 2 or 4 screws at an angle. Quick& easy - I like that - if its stable enough this would be the easy option.

A Z shaped joint, where the slanty bit of the Z is actually upright, not slanty. A good bit more stable, but I cant think how to easily do the central cut. Hand chiselling a load of partial circ saw cuts isnt something I want to be doing.

A simple scarf joint would work, but is wasteful of wood, makes no use whatever of the woods ability to support itself, and the mitre saw doesnt cut far enough to do them, making repeatability a problem.

Would a butt joint do it?


NT

How long are the 'short' bits? Could you drill vertically down the
middle - and the same in the top of the main upright - and use metal
rods to reinforce the butt joins.
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I'm making some free standing heavy duty shelving kits at the mo for a
project where spending money would be against the people's religion. Have
just been given a bunch of wood for uprights that's a bit too short, plus
matching short pieces. I'm wondering whether and how its practical to join
bits end to end to solve this - if I dont, I'm left with a load of wood to
get shot of. The joined on bit would only support the top shelf. The
uprights are 1.5x3.5 to 2x4.

So far I've considered:

A butt joint with 2 or 4 screws at an angle. Quick & easy - I like that - if
its stable enough this would be the easy option.

A Z shaped joint, where the slanty bit of the Z is actually upright, not
slanty. A good bit more stable, but I cant think how to easily do the
central cut. Hand chiselling a load of partial circ saw cuts isnt something
I want to be doing.

A simple scarf joint would work, but is wasteful of wood, makes no use
whatever of the woods ability to support itself, and the mitre saw doesnt
cut far enough to do them, making repeatability a problem.

Would a butt joint do it?

Use a couple of thick dowels drilled and glued into the ends of the wood.
Brush handles provide a source of cheap large dia. dowel.

On Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:11:48 PM UTC+1, wrote:

I'm making some free standing heavy duty shelving kits at the mo for a project where spending money would be against the people's religion. Have just been given a bunch of wood for uprights that's a bit too short, plus matching short pieces. I'm wondering whether and how its practical to join bits end to end to solve this - if I dont, I'm left with a load of wood to get shot of. The joined on bit would only support the top shelf. The uprights are 1.5x3.5 to 2x4.

So far I've considered:
A butt joint with 2 or 4 screws at an angle. Quick & easy - I like that - if its stable enough this would be the easy option.
A Z shaped joint, where the slanty bit of the Z is actually upright, not slanty. A good bit more stable, but I cant think how to easily do the central cut. Hand chiselling a load of partial circ saw cuts isnt something I want to be doing.
A simple scarf joint would work, but is wasteful of wood, makes no use whatever of the woods ability to support itself, and the mitre saw doesnt cut far enough to do them, making repeatability a problem.
Would a butt joint do it?

More thoughts.... I reckon the 2 simplest answers a

for the uprights that are only a bit short, use longer cross pieces, using the width of those to add to the height

for where a foot or so more length is needed, just use a dogleg joint and a few screws. Not pretty but very quick & stable, exactly the qualities I need.

Doing a warehouse full of dowel joints? No.


NT

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I'm making some free standing heavy duty shelving kits at the mo for a project where spending money would be against the people's religion. Have just been given a bunch of wood for uprights that's a bit too short, plus matching short pieces. I'm wondering whether and how its practical to join bits end to end to solve this - if I dont, I'm left with a load of wood to get shot of. The joined on bit would only support the top shelf. The uprights are 1.5x3.5 to 2x4.

So far I've considered:

A butt joint with 2 or 4 screws at an angle. Quick & easy - I like that - if its stable enough this would be the easy option.

A Z shaped joint, where the slanty bit of the Z is actually upright, not slanty. A good bit more stable, but I cant think how to easily do the central cut. Hand chiselling a load of partial circ saw cuts isnt something I want to be doing.

A simple scarf joint would work, but is wasteful of wood, makes no use whatever of the woods ability to support itself, and the mitre saw doesnt cut far enough to do them, making repeatability a problem.

Would a butt joint do it?


NT


A half-lap splice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOmg8ZPMqqg

Jabba wrote:
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I'm making some free standing heavy duty shelving kits at the mo for a project where spending money would be against the people's religion. Have just been given a bunch of wood for uprights that's a bit too short, plus matching short pieces. I'm wondering whether and how its practical to join bits end to end to solve this - if I dont, I'm left with a load of wood to get shot of. The joined on bit would only support the top shelf. The uprights are 1.5x3.5 to 2x4.

So far I've considered:

A butt joint with 2 or 4 screws at an angle. Quick & easy - I like that - if its stable enough this would be the easy option.

A Z shaped joint, where the slanty bit of the Z is actually upright, not slanty. A good bit more stable, but I cant think how to easily do the central cut. Hand chiselling a load of partial circ saw cuts isnt something I want to be doing.

A simple scarf joint would work, but is wasteful of wood, makes no use whatever of the woods ability to support itself, and the mitre saw doesnt cut far enough to do them, making repeatability a problem.

Would a butt joint do it?


NT


A half-lap splice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOmg8ZPMqqg

B Hell,all that time to explain, when a picture of the exploded joint
would have sufficed on a diy NG.

F Murtz scribbled...


Jabba wrote:
scribbled...


I'm making some free standing heavy duty shelving kits at the mo for a project where spending money would be against the people's religion. Have just been given a bunch of wood for uprights that's a bit too short, plus matching short pieces. I'm wondering whether and how its practical to join bits end to end to solve this - if I dont, I'm left with a load of wood to get shot of. The joined on bit would only support the top shelf. The uprights are 1.5x3.5 to 2x4.

So far I've considered:

A butt joint with 2 or 4 screws at an angle. Quick & easy - I like that - if its stable enough this would be the easy option.

A Z shaped joint, where the slanty bit of the Z is actually upright, not slanty. A good bit more stable, but I cant think how to easily do the central cut. Hand chiselling a load of partial circ saw cuts isnt something I want to be doing.

A simple scarf joint would work, but is wasteful of wood, makes no use whatever of the woods ability to support itself, and the mitre saw doesnt cut far enough to do them, making repeatability a problem.

Would a butt joint do it?


NT


A half-lap splice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOmg8ZPMqqg

B Hell,all that time to explain, when a picture of the exploded joint
would have sufficed on a diy NG.


As there's **** all on the telly atm, I reckon that video is good
entertainent.

But joints are not good. You might get them OK with some dowels across the
join, but its never going to look great. Brian

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wrote in message
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I'm making some free standing heavy duty shelving kits at the mo for a
project where spending money would be against the people's religion. Have
just been given a bunch of wood for uprights that's a bit too short, plus
matching short pieces. I'm wondering whether and how its practical to join
bits end to end to solve this - if I dont, I'm left with a load of wood to
get shot of. The joined on bit would only support the top shelf. The
uprights are 1.5x3.5 to 2x4.

So far I've considered:

A butt joint with 2 or 4 screws at an angle. Quick & easy - I like that - if
its stable enough this would be the easy option.

A Z shaped joint, where the slanty bit of the Z is actually upright, not
slanty. A good bit more stable, but I cant think how to easily do the
central cut. Hand chiselling a load of partial circ saw cuts isnt something
I want to be doing.

A simple scarf joint would work, but is wasteful of wood, makes no use
whatever of the woods ability to support itself, and the mitre saw doesnt
cut far enough to do them, making repeatability a problem.

Would a butt joint do it?


NT

On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 04:11:48 -0700, meow2222 wrote:

I'm making some free standing heavy duty shelving kits at the mo for a

A butt joint with 2 or 4 screws at an angle. Quick & easy - I like that
- if its stable enough this would be the easy option.

Use a butt joint with gang nails around it
http://www.anewhouse.com.au/wp-conte.../2013/10/Gang-
Nail-300x139.jpg

On Monday, June 23, 2014 12:16:23 AM UTC+1, Matty F wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 04:11:48 -0700, meow2222 wrote:

I'm making some free standing heavy duty shelving kits at the mo for a
A butt joint with 2 or 4 screws at an angle. Quick & easy - I like that
- if its stable enough this would be the easy option.

Use a butt joint with gang nails around it
http://www.anewhouse.com.au/wp-conte.../2013/10/Gang-
Nail-300x139.jpg

And where does one get a pair of gang nail plates for less than the cost of a new upright? Or make one for so litle labour that its worth doing?


NT