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Stained Toilet Bowl
When I moved in about 2 years ago, the bowl below the water line was badly stained a brown colour. Thinking it was the obvious, I eventually took the plunge to see if it would be easy to remove. It simply wiped off and I had a perfectly white bowl. However, the bowl is again starting to stain. It is flushed after every use and the water is clear, there is no staining in the cistern. Using a toilet brush would prevent anything building up over time, but what would be causing it? David |
Stained Toilet Bowl
"David" wrote in message ... When I moved in about 2 years ago, the bowl below the water line was badly stained a brown colour. Thinking it was the obvious, I eventually took the plunge to see if it would be easy to remove. It simply wiped off and I had a perfectly white bowl. However, the bowl is again starting to stain. It is flushed after every use and the water is clear, there is no staining in the cistern. Using a toilet brush would prevent anything building up over time, but what would be causing it? David The water may look perfectly clear, but I can assure you it ain't. With water standing in the bowl for any length of time, the small particles do settle out against the porcelain. Try taking a white cup and filling it with water from your tap, then let it stand on the window sill till it dries out. You'll be amazed at what you find after all the water is gone. --- http://www.basecuritysystems.no-ip.com Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 14/11/03 |
Stained Toilet Bowl
David wrote in message ... When I moved in about 2 years ago, the bowl below the water line was badly stained a brown colour. Thinking it was the obvious, I eventually took the plunge to see if it would be easy to remove. It simply wiped off and I had a perfectly white bowl. However, the bowl is again starting to stain. It is flushed after every use and the water is clear, there is no staining in the cistern. Using a toilet brush would prevent anything building up over time, but what would be causing it? Get some citric acid crystals from the chemist (100 gms about 60p IIRC). Tip the whole lot into the bowl and use a long handled washing up brush to get it up to the rim. You may need to do this on and off for a couple of hours. If you can be bothered to temporarily block the WC with a towel or something, you can just leave it overnight. IME this treatment lasts for a good couple of years. Once you get rid of the salts, the colour can't build up so easily. |
Stained Toilet Bowl
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:59:22 -0000, "stuart noble"
wrote: Get some citric acid crystals from the chemist (100 gms about 60p IIRC). I was recently in a supermarket in spain and for some reason found myself in the household chemicals aisle. (What a great way to spend part of your holiday). I spied some stuff which appeared to be some sort of descaler and eventually managed to work out that it was hydrochloric acid. Every supermarket seems to have it (always right next to the household ammonia - another chemical now rather uncommon in the UK). Nice that you can still buy dangerous chemicals within the EU! I would like to put HCl into my kettle and toilet from time to time. (Actually I remember when I was young you could buy it here under the name "spirit of salt"). Adrian |
Stained Toilet Bowl
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Stained Toilet Bowl
You can buy it as brick acid, I believe, from DIY stores and
builders merchants. I'm planning to get some brick acid and pour it into my toilet. What concentration would you recommend? I've already tried emptying the trap and leaving it 24 hours with 2 litres neat bleach filling the U-bend. It made it much cleaner, but there's still loads of scale and general nastiness. Christian. |
Stained Toilet Bowl
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"Christian McArdle" writes: You can buy it as brick acid, I believe, from DIY stores and builders merchants. I'm planning to get some brick acid and pour it into my toilet. What concentration would you recommend? Doesn't need to be strong -- the scale dissolves easily with no effort, just give it time. I use around a spoonful of Furnox descaller (DS-3? -- large tubs available from B&Q or plumbers merchant) dissolved in a pint of warm water and then poured into the u-trap and left for an hour or overnight. You could add a few drops of washing up liquid too if it's really bad, but that's not necessary unless it looks really bad. (Don't add any other cleaners as you might end up releasing clouds of chlorine gas.) After leaving to soak, one wipe with the toilet brush and flush, and brilliantly cleen loo, much more effectively and for far less cost than any of the proprietry loo cleaners. I've already tried emptying the trap and leaving it 24 hours with 2 litres neat bleach filling the U-bend. It made it much cleaner, but there's still loads of scale and general nastiness. Bleach doesn't really clean anything like this, it just makes the dirt invisible (for a short length of time). -- Andrew Gabriel |
Stained Toilet Bowl
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:06:29 -0000, Christian McArdle wrote:
I've already tried emptying the trap and leaving it 24 hours with 2 litres neat bleach filling the U-bend. It made it much cleaner, but there's still loads of scale and general nastiness. Well bleach won't shift scale, you need a descaler... Wander along to your local supermarket and pick up a bottle of "Harpic 100% Limescale Remover" works here. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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Adrian Sims wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:59:22 -0000, "stuart noble" wrote: Get some citric acid crystals from the chemist (100 gms about 60p IIRC). I was recently in a supermarket in spain and for some reason found myself in the household chemicals aisle. (What a great way to spend part of your holiday). I spied some stuff which appeared to be some sort of descaler and eventually managed to work out that it was hydrochloric acid. Every supermarket seems to have it (always right next to the household ammonia - another chemical now rather uncommon in the UK). Nice that you can still buy dangerous chemicals within the EU! I would like to put HCl into my kettle and toilet from time to time. (Actually I remember when I was young you could buy it here under the name "spirit of salt"). You still can, in decent builders merchants and hardware shoppes. Used as brick cleaner. GFor bogs tho its a tad drastic. Most of teh proprietary descalers work well, and then one of those loobloo things chucked in teh cistern ocasionally works well too. Or fitr a water softener. That stops it forming in the first place. Bad enscalation can be chipped out, complete with its brown stains...not a nice job. Adrian |
Stained Toilet Bowl
Christian McArdle wrote:
You can buy it as brick acid, I believe, from DIY stores and builders merchants. I'm planning to get some brick acid and pour it into my toilet. What concentration would you recommend? Full strength, and leave it, slap the toilet lid down and put your extractor in fill blast, or open a window. It will degrade rubber and plastic seals and pipes so don't leave it more than overnoght, then follow up with bleach to neutralise, wait, and do it again if necessary. I've already tried emptying the trap and leaving it 24 hours with 2 litres neat bleach filling the U-bend. It made it much cleaner, but there's still loads of scale and general nastiness. Neat bleach? Use neat caustic soda crystals :-) Turns turds into soap and silt that does! Christian. |
Stained Toilet Bowl
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:06:29 -0000, "Christian McArdle"
wrote: You can buy it as brick acid, I believe, from DIY stores and builders merchants. I'm planning to get some brick acid and pour it into my toilet. What concentration would you recommend? I'm not certain how concentrated it is and have not used it for a toilet application. Since you probably don't want something too vicious I would have thought diluting 5:1 would be a good start. Add acid to water, of course, and you definitely do not want any bleach around because copious amounts of chlorine gas would be released. You can always increase the concentration of acid if needed. I've already tried emptying the trap and leaving it 24 hours with 2 litres neat bleach filling the U-bend. It made it much cleaner, but there's still loads of scale and general nastiness. Christian. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
Stained Toilet Bowl
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:12:37 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote: On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:06:29 -0000, Christian McArdle wrote: I've already tried emptying the trap and leaving it 24 hours with 2 litres neat bleach filling the U-bend. It made it much cleaner, but there's still loads of scale and general nastiness. Well bleach won't shift scale, you need a descaler... Wander along to your local supermarket and pick up a bottle of "Harpic 100% Limescale Remover" works here. This is also an acid (phosphoric, IIRC, like in Coke). Again, don't mix with bleach....... ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
Stained Toilet Bowl
"David" wrote in message ... When I moved in about 2 years ago, the bowl below the water line was badly stained a brown colour. Thinking it was the obvious, I eventually took the plunge to see if it would be easy to remove. It simply wiped off and I had a perfectly white bowl. However, the bowl is again starting to stain. It is flushed after every use and the water is clear, there is no staining in the cistern. Using a toilet brush would prevent anything building up over time, but what would be causing it? David Sterident tablet over night? Works wonders on coffee mugs! |
Stained Toilet Bowl
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:38:52 +0000, Andy Hall wrote:
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:41:00 GMT, (Adrian Sims) wrote: On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:59:22 -0000, "stuart noble" wrote: Get some citric acid crystals from the chemist (100 gms about 60p IIRC). I was recently in a supermarket in spain and for some reason found myself in the household chemicals aisle. (What a great way to spend part of your holiday). I spied some stuff which appeared to be some sort of descaler and eventually managed to work out that it was hydrochloric acid. Every supermarket seems to have it (always right next to the household ammonia - another chemical now rather uncommon in the UK). Nice that you can still buy dangerous chemicals within the EU! I would like to put HCl into my kettle and toilet from time to time. (Actually I remember when I was young you could buy it here under the name "spirit of salt"). Adrian You can buy it as brick acid, I believe, from DIY stores and builders merchants. Slightly weaker HCl is also available in 5 litre tubs as 'patio cleaner'. -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html |
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:44:45 +0000, Andy Hall wrote:
Wander along to your local supermarket and pick up a bottle of "Harpic 100% Limescale Remover" works here. This is also an acid (phosphoric, IIRC, like in Coke). Can't be bothered to go upstairs to look again... but undoubtedly an acid of some sort. Again, don't mix with bleach....... And if you've loo full of bleach don't pee in it, for the same reason... -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
Stained Toilet Bowl
The Natural Philosopher wrote in message ... Neat bleach? Use neat caustic soda crystals :-) Turns turds into soap Only if they're oily. |
Stained Toilet Bowl
Citric has the advantage that you can....
buy a small amount from round the corner for not much money which is safe to handle and doesn't smell and as is plenty strong enough to do the job. Using hydrochloric indoors is not my idea of fun. |
Stained Toilet Bowl
"stuart noble" wrote in news:wNJvb.1399
: Only if they're oily. I'll be ok then, I don't get up till late mike r |
Stained Toilet Bowl
On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:36:20 -0000, "stuart noble"
wrote: Citric has the advantage that you can.... buy a small amount from round the corner for not much money which is safe to handle and doesn't smell and as is plenty strong enough to do the job. Using hydrochloric indoors is not my idea of fun. Since the staining rubs off very easily, I think I'll just invest in toilet brush and give it a quick rub down each week. David |
Stained Toilet Bowl
stuart noble wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote in message ... Neat bleach? Use neat caustic soda crystals :-) Turns turds into soap Only if they're oily. They usually are. Caustc turns most organic materials into something water soluble anyway. |
Stained Toilet Bowl
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
... stuart noble wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote in message ... Neat bleach? Use neat caustic soda crystals :-) Turns turds into soap Only if they're oily. They usually are. Caustc turns most organic materials into something water soluble anyway. What would Crissie and Aggie do? Probably throw a ton of baking soda down there with some vinegar! |
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