We are presently staying in our tourer caravan on a farm, one of seven,
with the site facilities and the facilities of several holiday cottages
plus the farm itself, discharging into what I would guess is some sort
of septic tank arrangment. Today I noticed the field below the tank was
very boggy. The smell rather explained why it was boggy, as if this was
over flowing.

Directly alongside the boggy area and running some way below it is a
stream, which no doubt itself discharges into the sea about 1/4 mile
below. Likely the tank was only designed for the farm's use alone.

So no doubt the tank contents makes its way into the stream. Should I
be concerned?

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

On 08/06/14 20:59, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
We are presently staying in our tourer caravan on a farm, one of seven,
with the site facilities and the facilities of several holiday cottages
plus the farm itself, discharging into what I would guess is some sort
of septic tank arrangment. Today I noticed the field below the tank was
very boggy. The smell rather explained why it was boggy, as if this was
over flowing.

Directly alongside the boggy area and running some way below it is a
stream, which no doubt itself discharges into the sea about 1/4 mile
below. Likely the tank was only designed for the farm's use alone.

So no doubt the tank contents makes its way into the stream. Should I be
concerned?


Take some photos, wait until you leave then send them and your report to
the Environment Agency. They might decide to pop by and do a spot check.

Harry Bloomfield scribbled...


We are presently staying in our tourer caravan on a farm, one of seven,
with the site facilities and the facilities of several holiday cottages
plus the farm itself, discharging into what I would guess is some sort
of septic tank arrangment. Today I noticed the field below the tank was
very boggy. The smell rather explained why it was boggy, as if this was
over flowing.

Directly alongside the boggy area and running some way below it is a
stream, which no doubt itself discharges into the sea about 1/4 mile
below. Likely the tank was only designed for the farm's use alone.

So no doubt the tank contents makes its way into the stream. Should I
be concerned?


http://www.sas.org.uk/reporting-pollution/

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...

On 08/06/14 20:59, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
We are presently staying in our tourer caravan on a farm, one of seven,
with the site facilities and the facilities of several holiday cottages
plus the farm itself, discharging into what I would guess is some sort
of septic tank arrangment. Today I noticed the field below the tank was
very boggy. The smell rather explained why it was boggy, as if this was
over flowing.

Directly alongside the boggy area and running some way below it is a
stream, which no doubt itself discharges into the sea about 1/4 mile
below. Likely the tank was only designed for the farm's use alone.

So no doubt the tank contents makes its way into the stream. Should I be
concerned?


Take some photos, wait until you leave then send them and your report to
the Environment Agency. They might decide to pop by and do a spot check.


Do you not think a non emotive but informative approach to the owner would
be a nicer approach. He may not be aware of the problem, or overlooked
having it pumped out this year. We have letting cottages, we have a private
sewage system, but we do maintain it regularly and have a service contract
on it, and have a licence to discharge into a stream in our grounds. If one
of our guests had such a problem and instead on raising it with me, slunk
off to the EA I'd consider it a low trick.

Andrew

On 08/06/14 22:06, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message


Do you not think a non emotive but informative approach to the owner
would be a nicer approach. He may not be aware of the problem, or
overlooked having it pumped out this year. We have letting cottages, we
have a private sewage system, but we do maintain it regularly and have a
service contract on it, and have a licence to discharge into a stream in
our grounds. If one of our guests had such a problem and instead on
raising it with me, slunk off to the EA I'd consider it a low trick.

Andrew

Fair comment -

Well yes, when was it last emptied?
IE is the tank leaking or overflowing?
Brian

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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
. uk...
We are presently staying in our tourer caravan on a farm, one of seven,
with the site facilities and the facilities of several holiday cottages
plus the farm itself, discharging into what I would guess is some sort of
septic tank arrangment. Today I noticed the field below the tank was very
boggy. The smell rather explained why it was boggy, as if this was over
flowing.

Directly alongside the boggy area and running some way below it is a
stream, which no doubt itself discharges into the sea about 1/4 mile
below. Likely the tank was only designed for the farm's use alone.

So no doubt the tank contents makes its way into the stream. Should I be
concerned?

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

Andrew Mawson wrote:

Do you not think a non emotive but informative approach to the owner
would be a nicer approach. He may not be aware of the problem, or
overlooked having it pumped out this year. We have letting cottages, we
have a private sewage system, but we do maintain it regularly and have a
service contract on it, and have a licence to discharge into a stream in
our grounds. If one of our guests had such a problem and instead on
raising it with me, slunk off to the EA I'd consider it a low trick.

Andrew

Absolutely, but some people take a positive pleasure from causing trouble.

Bill

Bill Wright scribbled...


Andrew Mawson wrote:

Do you not think a non emotive but informative approach to the owner
would be a nicer approach. He may not be aware of the problem, or
overlooked having it pumped out this year. We have letting cottages, we
have a private sewage system, but we do maintain it regularly and have a
service contract on it, and have a licence to discharge into a stream in
our grounds. If one of our guests had such a problem and instead on
raising it with me, slunk off to the EA I'd consider it a low trick.

Andrew

Absolutely, but some people take a positive pleasure from causing trouble.



P - K - B

On 09/06/14 06:43, Jabba wrote:
Bill Wright scribbled...


Andrew Mawson wrote:

Do you not think a non emotive but informative approach to the owner
would be a nicer approach. He may not be aware of the problem, or
overlooked having it pumped out this year. We have letting cottages, we
have a private sewage system, but we do maintain it regularly and have a
service contract on it, and have a licence to discharge into a stream in
our grounds. If one of our guests had such a problem and instead on
raising it with me, slunk off to the EA I'd consider it a low trick.

Andrew

Absolutely, but some people take a positive pleasure from causing trouble.



P - K - B


Not really - some of us probably watched too many TV programmes about
disreputable people as automatically assumed the worst.

I accept Andrew's proposition that it could well be an oversight by a
well meaning and ordinary landowner.

In my defence it could also be a negligent landowner who's done it
several times before. We don't know for sure.

However, what made make take the hardline stance was leaking sewerage is
a health hazard and potentially polluting the stream in an environment
where the general public have access.

To put it in context, if I saw evidence of poor hygiene in a commercial
kitchen or shop (say rodent droppings on the shelves or mouldy food
waste under kitchen equipment or something that was clearly negligent) I
WILL be straight onto the council because these businesses have a duty
of care and should have processes for monitoring such things. I do not
take kindly to acquiring diseases through wilful negligence or corner
cutting.

The OP did say:
"Likely the tank was only designed for the farm's use alone"

That's an assumption but I assume the OP who's there has a reason to
believe it, but if that theory turns out to be true, it is wilful
negligence and quite frankly completely unacceptable.

So no, Bill is wrong. Some of us don't delight in making trouble - but
some of us are very intolerant of being put at risk by a business which
doesn't look after its affairs.

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...

On 09/06/14 06:43, Jabba wrote:
Bill Wright scribbled...


Andrew Mawson wrote:

Do you not think a non emotive but informative approach to the owner
would be a nicer approach. He may not be aware of the problem, or
overlooked having it pumped out this year. We have letting cottages, we
have a private sewage system, but we do maintain it regularly and have
a
service contract on it, and have a licence to discharge into a stream
in
our grounds. If one of our guests had such a problem and instead on
raising it with me, slunk off to the EA I'd consider it a low trick.

Andrew

Absolutely, but some people take a positive pleasure from causing
trouble.



P - K - B


Not really - some of us probably watched too many TV programmes about
disreputable people as automatically assumed the worst.

I accept Andrew's proposition that it could well be an oversight by a well
meaning and ordinary landowner.

In my defence it could also be a negligent landowner who's done it several
times before. We don't know for sure.

However, what made make take the hardline stance was leaking sewerage is a
health hazard and potentially polluting the stream in an environment where
the general public have access.

To put it in context, if I saw evidence of poor hygiene in a commercial
kitchen or shop (say rodent droppings on the shelves or mouldy food waste
under kitchen equipment or something that was clearly negligent) I WILL be
straight onto the council because these businesses have a duty of care and
should have processes for monitoring such things. I do not take kindly to
acquiring diseases through wilful negligence or corner cutting.

The OP did say:
"Likely the tank was only designed for the farm's use alone"

That's an assumption but I assume the OP who's there has a reason to
believe it, but if that theory turns out to be true, it is wilful
negligence and quite frankly completely unacceptable.

So no, Bill is wrong. Some of us don't delight in making trouble - but some
of us are very intolerant of being put at risk by a business which doesn't
look after its affairs.

I think a useful guideline is always in the first instance to treat people
as you would wish to be treated yourself. If however you then get issues,
use that pre-knowledge in forming further responses. After all that is what
prejudice is - using prior knowledge to pre judge a situation.

Andrew

Tim Watts scribbled...


On 09/06/14 06:43, Jabba wrote:
Bill Wright scribbled...


Andrew Mawson wrote:

Do you not think a non emotive but informative approach to the owner
would be a nicer approach. He may not be aware of the problem, or
overlooked having it pumped out this year. We have letting cottages, we
have a private sewage system, but we do maintain it regularly and have a
service contract on it, and have a licence to discharge into a stream in
our grounds. If one of our guests had such a problem and instead on
raising it with me, slunk off to the EA I'd consider it a low trick.

Andrew

Absolutely, but some people take a positive pleasure from causing trouble.



P - K - B


Not really - some of us probably watched too many TV programmes about
disreputable people as automatically assumed the worst.

I accept Andrew's proposition that it could well be an oversight by a
well meaning and ordinary landowner.

In my defence it could also be a negligent landowner who's done it
several times before. We don't know for sure.

However, what made make take the hardline stance was leaking sewerage is
a health hazard and potentially polluting the stream in an environment
where the general public have access.

To put it in context, if I saw evidence of poor hygiene in a commercial
kitchen or shop (say rodent droppings on the shelves or mouldy food
waste under kitchen equipment or something that was clearly negligent) I
WILL be straight onto the council because these businesses have a duty
of care and should have processes for monitoring such things. I do not
take kindly to acquiring diseases through wilful negligence or corner
cutting.

The OP did say:
"Likely the tank was only designed for the farm's use alone"

That's an assumption but I assume the OP who's there has a reason to
believe it, but if that theory turns out to be true, it is wilful
negligence and quite frankly completely unacceptable.

So no, Bill is wrong. Some of us don't delight in making trouble - but
some of us are very intolerant of being put at risk by a business which
doesn't look after its affairs.


The OP is on holiday, he may discuss the problem with the landowner and
will be told that something will be done. How will he know that the
problem has been sorted. The EA doesn't run around nicking people willy
nilly, they are there to offer advice too.

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
. uk...
We are presently staying in our tourer caravan on a farm, one of seven,
with the site facilities and the facilities of several holiday cottages
plus the farm itself, discharging into what I would guess is some sort of
septic tank arrangment. Today I noticed the field below the tank was very
boggy. The smell rather explained why it was boggy, as if this was over
flowing.

Directly alongside the boggy area and running some way below it is a
stream, which no doubt itself discharges into the sea about 1/4 mile
below. Likely the tank was only designed for the farm's use alone.

So no doubt the tank contents makes its way into the stream. Should I be
concerned?

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk


A definite health hazard.
You will be trailing **** into your caravan on your feet.

A major job to fix it. It sounds as if a new leech-field/land drains are
required.
Sewage discharge requirements are much more stringent these days.

Like to cost £thousands even if owner supervised/DIY

On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 00:01:47 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

Well yes, when was it last emptied?
IE is the tank leaking or overflowing?

Cess Pit - Sealed tank, shouldn't have any out flow, needs very
regular emptying.

Septic Tank - Holds the waste and has anerobic digestion, does have
out flow to a soak away/drainage field. Out flow isn't very pleasant
but not raw sewage. Ought to be emptied every year to remove sludge.

Digester - Has a compressed air supply and driven stirrer. Aerobic
digestion. Provided it's working out flow can be discharged into a
water course. Sludge needs to be removed like a Septic Tank.

As to the OP's question. It's not very pleasant, but IMHO the risk is
low. Just keep away from the boggy smelly bit. B-)

The EA won't like it at all and may well insist that the system is
resized to cope. These days that will almost certainly mean
installing a digester.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Andrew Mawson scribbled...



I think a useful guideline is always in the first instance to treat people
as you would wish to be treated yourself. If however you then get issues,
use that pre-knowledge in forming further responses. After all that is what
prejudice is - using prior knowledge to pre judge a situation.


Really - and there was me think it was called experience. We all pre-
judge situations, it's in our DNA and is one of the reasons why we have
survived.

Andrew Mawson brought next idea :
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...

On 08/06/14 20:59, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
We are presently staying in our tourer caravan on a farm, one of seven,
with the site facilities and the facilities of several holiday cottages
plus the farm itself, discharging into what I would guess is some sort
of septic tank arrangment. Today I noticed the field below the tank was
very boggy. The smell rather explained why it was boggy, as if this was
over flowing.

Directly alongside the boggy area and running some way below it is a
stream, which no doubt itself discharges into the sea about 1/4 mile
below. Likely the tank was only designed for the farm's use alone.

So no doubt the tank contents makes its way into the stream. Should I be
concerned?


Take some photos, wait until you leave then send them and your report to the
Environment Agency. They might decide to pop by and do a spot check.


Do you not think a non emotive but informative approach to the owner would be
a nicer approach. He may not be aware of the problem, or overlooked having it
pumped out this year. We have letting cottages, we have a private sewage
system, but we do maintain it regularly and have a service contract on it,
and have a licence to discharge into a stream in our grounds. If one of our
guests had such a problem and instead on raising it with me, slunk off to the
EA I'd consider it a low trick.

Andrew

No, I doubt that would help or cause any action to result. There are
numerous other deficiencies and in the past I have drawn attention to
failings with nothing being done.

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

On 09/06/14 10:49, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Andrew Mawson brought next idea :
"Tim Watts" wrote in message

Take some photos, wait until you leave then send them and your report
to the Environment Agency. They might decide to pop by and do a spot
check.


Do you not think a non emotive but informative approach to the owner
would be a nicer approach. He may not be aware of the problem, or
overlooked having it pumped out this year. We have letting cottages,
we have a private sewage system, but we do maintain it regularly and
have a service contract on it, and have a licence to discharge into a
stream in our grounds. If one of our guests had such a problem and
instead on raising it with me, slunk off to the EA I'd consider it a
low trick.

Andrew

No, I doubt that would help or cause any action to result. There are
numerous other deficiencies and in the past I have drawn attention to
failings with nothing being done.


I think you have the answer - I personally *would* dump it on the EA
with that past knowledge. But don't expect to be welcome there again,
obviously...

It's a tricky one - I have little doubt that if Andrew's place had a
problem, it would be an unexpected problem that would not merit the
lead-boot approach.

But some people are just negligent and there's a rather large difference
between a sign falling off and a poorly operated sewerage unit.

I'd be wondering what else was wrong - electrical hookup for your van -
has it been maintained, is it safe, is the earthing correct, does the
RCD work (if any) and so on...

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
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Andrew Mawson brought next idea :
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
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On 08/06/14 20:59, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
We are presently staying in our tourer caravan on a farm, one of seven,
with the site facilities and the facilities of several holiday cottages
plus the farm itself, discharging into what I would guess is some sort
of septic tank arrangment. Today I noticed the field below the tank was
very boggy. The smell rather explained why it was boggy, as if this was
over flowing.

Directly alongside the boggy area and running some way below it is a
stream, which no doubt itself discharges into the sea about 1/4 mile
below. Likely the tank was only designed for the farm's use alone.

So no doubt the tank contents makes its way into the stream. Should I
be
concerned?


Take some photos, wait until you leave then send them and your report to
the Environment Agency. They might decide to pop by and do a spot check.


Do you not think a non emotive but informative approach to the owner
would be a nicer approach. He may not be aware of the problem, or
overlooked having it pumped out this year. We have letting cottages, we
have a private sewage system, but we do maintain it regularly and have a
service contract on it, and have a licence to discharge into a stream in
our grounds. If one of our guests had such a problem and instead on
raising it with me, slunk off to the EA I'd consider it a low trick.

Andrew

No, I doubt that would help or cause any action to result. There are
numerous other deficiencies and in the past I have drawn attention to
failings with nothing being done.



So the real question is - why do you still keep on going back there?

--
Adam

On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 19:56:07 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
.uk...
Andrew Mawson brought next idea :
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...

On 08/06/14 20:59, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
We are presently staying in our tourer caravan on a farm, one of seven,
with the site facilities and the facilities of several holiday cottages
plus the farm itself, discharging into what I would guess is some sort
of septic tank arrangment. Today I noticed the field below the tank was
very boggy. The smell rather explained why it was boggy, as if this was

No, I doubt that would help or cause any action to result. There are
numerous other deficiencies and in the past I have drawn attention to
failings with nothing being done.



So the real question is - why do you still keep on going back there?

It's Bloomfield. When the driving groups were active barely a day
passed without him reporting some incident or other that threatened
his life. The blokes a lightning rod for trouble wherever he goes,his
position ought to reported on telly after the weather and pollen count
so others can avoid the Zone of misfortune.

G.Harman

In article
sting.com,
Jabba wrote:

Bill Wright scribbled...


Andrew Mawson wrote:

Do you not think a non emotive but informative approach to the owner
would be a nicer approach. He may not be aware of the problem, or
overlooked having it pumped out this year. We have letting cottages, we
have a private sewage system, but we do maintain it regularly and have a
service contract on it, and have a licence to discharge into a stream in
our grounds. If one of our guests had such a problem and instead on
raising it with me, slunk off to the EA I'd consider it a low trick.

Andrew

Absolutely, but some people take a positive pleasure from causing trouble.


P - K - B

"P -K - B"? WTF?

J.

p.s. I remember a telly prog in the 80s showing how a reed bed could be
used to filter septic tank outflow to perfection. Maybe this is what's
going on? Though TBH ('scuse my acronyms) the EA (oops, pardon) ought
to confirm it.