If it's practical and safe to do so, I'd like to remove this flue from the side of the house as it's no longer used and someone's previous botching has left it looking unsightly:

http://tinypic.com/r/301hy50/8

http://tinypic.com/r/2l48s0/8

http://tinypic.com/r/24lvom1/8

http://tinypic.com/r/2585li1/8

I'm assuming there's asbestos in there. How are the joints made and is it possible to take them apart without creating hazardous dust?

On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:45:45 -0700 (PDT)
mike wrote:

is it possible to take them apart without creating hazardous dust?

Possibly. But you won't officially be allowed to, you
will need a specially-trained, specially-equipped, and therefore
specially-expensive, contractor to do it.

--
Davey.

On 19/03/2014 15:45, mike wrote:
If it's practical and safe to do so, I'd like to remove this flue from the side of the house as it's no longer used and someone's previous botching has left it looking unsightly:

http://tinypic.com/r/301hy50/8

http://tinypic.com/r/2l48s0/8

http://tinypic.com/r/24lvom1/8

http://tinypic.com/r/2585li1/8

I'm assuming there's asbestos in there. How are the joints made and is it possible to take them apart without creating hazardous dust?


Probably fire cement, and unwilling to come apart. But cement asbestos
is brittle, you will generate less dust by breaking than by sawing IME.
Could you block off the bottom and fill the whole thing with water,
leaving for a few days for it to become saturated before tapping gently
with a lump hammer. The fibres are fairly well immobilised by the cement
matrix and the general consensus is that, handled sensibly, it is not
particularly dangerous. Ideally double bag and tape shut, check with
your local tip because their requirements vary. There may only be one
tip in the area which takes it.

"mike" wrote in message
...
If it's practical and safe to do so, I'd like to remove this flue from the
side of the house as it's no longer used and someone's previous botching
has left it looking unsightly:

I'm assuming there's asbestos in there. How are the joints made and is it
possible to take them apart without creating hazardous dust?
Might be asbestos, I suspect not.
Joints are likely cement. Starting from the top just give 'em a wiggle &
they will come apart. Looking at the fixings, you may not need to bother.
Wear a face mask & stand upwind when you reduce to bin sizes.
HTH.
Nick.

On 19/03/2014 16:22, Davey wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:45:45 -0700 (PDT)
mike wrote:

is it possible to take them apart without creating hazardous dust?

Possibly. But you won't officially be allowed to, you
will need a specially-trained, specially-equipped, and therefore
specially-expensive, contractor to do it.


No you don't, you just have to follow an agreed method and take samples
to prove you are doing it OK.

The company I worked for stripped some asbestos from old heating pipes
by wrapping them in plastic bags and stripping the pipes inside the bag.
The H&S agreed that it was safe but fined us anyway because it wasn't
approved first.

Davey wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:45:45 -0700 (PDT)
mike wrote:

is it possible to take them apart without creating hazardous dust?

Possibly. But you won't officially be allowed to, you
will need a specially-trained, specially-equipped, and therefore
specially-expensive, contractor to do it.

Wrong on that part. There's nothing to stop a private householder removing
asbestos cement items themselves, wrapping it up in heavy duty plastic
(sealing the joints) and carting it down in the back of their car to their
local council waste station which will have approval to handle such
"hazardous material". This "hazardous material will also include
plasterboard and artex etc that was made and used back in the last bit of
the 20th century.

I had this 'discussion' with a roofing contractor who re-roofed my 1960s
property a couple of years ago, when he wanted to charge me in excess of
£600 to remove and dispose of a small quantity of asbesto cement soffit
(around 15metres x 25cm).

I very politely told him that I would deal with it when he arrived on site
and the scaffold was erected (and before he started work), whereby I then
simply donned a white disposable suit and approved face mask [1], sprayed it
with water and removed the stuff without breaking it (which I'd done for
years without all the bulls**t surounding it today), wrapped and sealed it
in clear, heavy duty plastic sheeting and carted it away to the local
council waste site - where the attendant examined the packaging and accepted
it without turning a hair - and the roofer carried on fitting the new UPVc
soffits and fascias.

Without getting into a discussion here, there's too much misinformation
given about this particular brand of the product which contains less than
14% chrysotile asbestos fibres mixed with cement, gypsum, artex etc - and
whilst harmful, is considered less dangerous than the other types when
handled in a competent manner.

[1] Must be one that is certified to stop asbestos fibres and dust from
passing through the weave - and I only did this because some common sense
was talked about the stuff when I'd attended a course (at my expense BTW) on
handling asbestos cement products some years ago.

dennis@home wrote:
On 19/03/2014 16:22, Davey wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:45:45 -0700 (PDT)
mike wrote:

is it possible to take them apart without creating hazardous dust?

Possibly. But you won't officially be allowed to, you
will need a specially-trained, specially-equipped, and therefore
specially-expensive, contractor to do it.


No you don't, you just have to follow an agreed method and take
samples to prove you are doing it OK.

As a contractor yes - but not as a private householder you don't.

The company I worked for stripped some asbestos from old heating pipes
by wrapping them in plastic bags and stripping the pipes inside the
bag. The H&S agreed that it was safe but fined us anyway because it
wasn't approved first.

If that was in a boiler house, inside a factory or a ship's engine room of a
certain age, then that stuff was usually brown or blue asbestos and mixed in
an open receptacle on site to be hand-moulded and finished around the
various pipes there - and that's when the H&S procedures really come into
their own!

On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 19:02:11 -0000
"Woodworm" wrote:

Davey wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:45:45 -0700 (PDT)
mike wrote:

is it possible to take them apart without creating hazardous dust?

Possibly. But you won't officially be allowed to, you
will need a specially-trained, specially-equipped, and therefore
specially-expensive, contractor to do it.

Wrong on that part. There's nothing to stop a private householder
removing asbestos cement items themselves, wrapping it up in heavy
duty plastic (sealing the joints) and carting it down in the back of
their car to their local council waste station which will have
approval to handle such "hazardous material". This "hazardous
material will also include plasterboard and artex etc that was made
and used back in the last bit of the 20th century.

I had this 'discussion' with a roofing contractor who re-roofed my
1960s property a couple of years ago, when he wanted to charge me in
excess of £600 to remove and dispose of a small quantity of asbesto
cement soffit (around 15metres x 25cm).

I very politely told him that I would deal with it when he arrived on
site and the scaffold was erected (and before he started work),
whereby I then simply donned a white disposable suit and approved
face mask [1], sprayed it with water and removed the stuff without
breaking it (which I'd done for years without all the bulls**t
surounding it today), wrapped and sealed it in clear, heavy duty
plastic sheeting and carted it away to the local council waste site
- where the attendant examined the packaging and accepted it without
turning a hair - and the roofer carried on fitting the new UPVc
soffits and fascias.

Without getting into a discussion here, there's too much
misinformation given about this particular brand of the product which
contains less than 14% chrysotile asbestos fibres mixed with cement,
gypsum, artex etc - and whilst harmful, is considered less dangerous
than the other types when handled in a competent manner.

[1] Must be one that is certified to stop asbestos fibres and dust
from passing through the weave - and I only did this because some
common sense was talked about the stuff when I'd attended a course
(at my expense BTW) on handling asbestos cement products some years
ago.



It's good to know that there is some sense around after all.

--
Davey.

And then dumping the stuff needs a specially authorised hole in the ground
which also seems to cost a packet as it seems only specially authorised
carriers with specially authorised double wrapped bags and warning labels
can be used, IE whapping in plastic and scribbling a label saying asbestos
hazard is no good at all.

Sigh.
Brian

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"Davey" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:45:45 -0700 (PDT)
mike wrote:

is it possible to take them apart without creating hazardous dust?

Possibly. But you won't officially be allowed to, you
will need a specially-trained, specially-equipped, and therefore
specially-expensive, contractor to do it.

--
Davey.

Oh I agree, but I'm still stalled with my asbestos corrugated garage, as
contractors want the full monty and I don't want to end up broke.
Brian

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"Woodworm" wrote in message
...
Davey wrote:
On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:45:45 -0700 (PDT)
mike wrote:

is it possible to take them apart without creating hazardous dust?

Possibly. But you won't officially be allowed to, you
will need a specially-trained, specially-equipped, and therefore
specially-expensive, contractor to do it.

Wrong on that part. There's nothing to stop a private householder removing
asbestos cement items themselves, wrapping it up in heavy duty plastic
(sealing the joints) and carting it down in the back of their car to their
local council waste station which will have approval to handle such
"hazardous material". This "hazardous material will also include
plasterboard and artex etc that was made and used back in the last bit of
the 20th century.

I had this 'discussion' with a roofing contractor who re-roofed my 1960s
property a couple of years ago, when he wanted to charge me in excess of
£600 to remove and dispose of a small quantity of asbesto cement soffit
(around 15metres x 25cm).

I very politely told him that I would deal with it when he arrived on site
and the scaffold was erected (and before he started work), whereby I then
simply donned a white disposable suit and approved face mask [1], sprayed
it with water and removed the stuff without breaking it (which I'd done
for years without all the bulls**t surounding it today), wrapped and
sealed it in clear, heavy duty plastic sheeting and carted it away to the
local council waste site - where the attendant examined the packaging and
accepted it without turning a hair - and the roofer carried on fitting the
new UPVc soffits and fascias.

Without getting into a discussion here, there's too much misinformation
given about this particular brand of the product which contains less than
14% chrysotile asbestos fibres mixed with cement, gypsum, artex etc - and
whilst harmful, is considered less dangerous than the other types when
handled in a competent manner.

[1] Must be one that is certified to stop asbestos fibres and dust from
passing through the weave - and I only did this because some common sense
was talked about the stuff when I'd attended a course (at my expense BTW)
on handling asbestos cement products some years ago.

On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:45:45 PM UTC, mike wrote:
If it's practical and safe to do so, I'd like to remove this flue from the side of the house as it's no longer used and someone's previous botching has left it looking unsightly:



http://tinypic.com/r/301hy50/8



http://tinypic.com/r/2l48s0/8



http://tinypic.com/r/24lvom1/8



http://tinypic.com/r/2585li1/8



I'm assuming there's asbestos in there. How are the joints made and is it possible to take them apart without creating hazardous dust?

Finally a question on here where the answer DEFINITELY ISN'T angle grinder.

Philip

On 20/03/2014 14:56, wrote:

Finally a question on here where the answer DEFINITELY ISN'T angle grinder.

Philip

On the contrary, you could even use a *broken* angle grinder just to
thump it with.

On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:45:45 -0700 (PDT), mike
wrote:

If it's practical and safe to do so, I'd like to remove this flue from the side of the house as it's no longer used and someone's previous botching has left it looking unsightly:

http://tinypic.com/r/301hy50/8

http://tinypic.com/r/2l48s0/8

http://tinypic.com/r/24lvom1/8

http://tinypic.com/r/2585li1/8

I'm assuming there's asbestos in there. How are the joints made and is it possible to take them apart without creating hazardous dust?


I imagine that it is similar to the internal flue we disposed of last
year. The heating engineers replacing the boiler and pipework
disassembled the flue by twisting the individual pipes to loosen the
joints, wrapped them in heavy duty polythene sheeting and placed them
outside.

Having checked with LA waste people we made sure that the polythene
sheeting was secure and then wrapped it in a second layer which we
sealed carefully with tape - apparently the 'double bagging' is
essential - and took it to the LA dump where it was checked and went
into a specified container.
--
rbel