I live in a terraced house, 2 beds + an unofficial one in the loft.

Heating is gas except for a little fan heater in the small kitchen which
keeps the place just above cold, and a convection heater in the loft room
controlled by a timer to heat the room to a comfortable temp during the
infrequent hours that my son is in there.
Cooking is electric.

Currently using 32Kw per day.

How does that compare with other's usage?

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:11:02 +0000 (UTC), R D S wrote:

Currently using 32Kw per day.

How does that compare with other's usage?

Take out the night storeage heaters and we are normally around 20
kWHr/day. But when No.1 Daughter is home and the electric heater is
on in her room it easily adds another 10 kWHrs. Power use plot shows
it to be about 800 W on a 50% (ish) duty cycle 24/7.

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On 02/23/2014 11:11 AM, R D S wrote:
I live in a terraced house, 2 beds + an unofficial one in the loft.

Heating is gas except for a little fan heater in the small kitchen which
keeps the place just above cold, and a convection heater in the loft room
controlled by a timer to heat the room to a comfortable temp during the
infrequent hours that my son is in there.
Cooking is electric.

Currently using 32Kw per day.

How does that compare with other's usage?


Two of us in a 3-bed semi. Here most of the time. Only gas heating.
Couple of small freezers, couple of PCs and a couple of TVs on almost
permanently. Missus uses tumble drier most days !! !3.5Kws/day

On 02/23/2014 11:30 AM, Andy Cap wrote:


Two of us in a 3-bed semi. Here most of the time. Only gas heating.
Couple of small freezers, couple of PCs and a couple of TVs on almost
permanently. Missus uses tumble drier most days !! !3.5Kws/day

That's 13.5 and I forgot the pond pump which is on 24/7.

On 23/02/2014 11:11, R D S wrote:
I live in a terraced house, 2 beds + an unofficial one in the loft.

Heating is gas except for a little fan heater in the small kitchen which
keeps the place just above cold, and a convection heater in the loft room
controlled by a timer to heat the room to a comfortable temp during the
infrequent hours that my son is in there.
Cooking is electric.

Currently using 32Kw per day.

Seems a tad high for the circumstances you describe...

How does that compare with other's usage?

about 40kWh/day... five bed, heating gas[1], cooking electric, too many
computers and other electronic kit on 24/7, 250W of load 24/7 for pond
pump and clarifier, and too many light bulbs! ;-)

[1] Except workshop which has a 2kW fan heater on a low temp stat to
keep it in the low single digits (well insulated room though)

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On 23/02/2014 11:11, R D S wrote:
I live in a terraced house, 2 beds + an unofficial one in the loft.

Heating is gas except for a little fan heater in the small kitchen which
keeps the place just above cold, and a convection heater in the loft room
controlled by a timer to heat the room to a comfortable temp during the
infrequent hours that my son is in there.
Cooking is electric.

Currently using 32Kw per day.

How does that compare with other's usage?

16th January: 16.88Kw - 5 bedroom semi, gas CH on all day, no thermostat
pump runs all the time, 2 PC's (go on when we get up turned off at
bedtime!), 2 freezers, 2 fridges, electric cooking. Both retired so
around during day. Oh, ...and a 3Kw fan heater in the greenhouse on a
frost stat.

Using 0.55Kw per hour (OWL Monitor) as I write this.

Suggest you investigate - I once had a freezer that the control knob had
been broken so that it looked as though it was on a reasonable setting,
when in fact much colder than it should have been. Power consumtion
dropped by 20% when adjusted properly - it was the increased consumption
that caused me to investigate.

Peter

R D S wrote:

I live in a terraced house, 2 beds + an unofficial one in the loft.

3 bed semi, gas for water & central heating, almost all CFL/LED lighting
(very little) electric cooking.

Currently using 32Kw per day.

136kWh/month

R D S wrote:
I live in a terraced house, 2 beds + an unofficial one in the loft.

Heating is gas except for a little fan heater in the small kitchen which
keeps the place just above cold, and a convection heater in the loft room
controlled by a timer to heat the room to a comfortable temp during the
infrequent hours that my son is in there.
Cooking is electric.

Currently using 32Kw per day.

How does that compare with other's usage?

Averaged over past 90 days 21.24kw/day. About 2100sq ft. Detached.
Computers , CCTV +etc on 24 hrs/day. Lounge heat pump uses about
4KW/day, cheaper than whole house gas. Workshop, garage heat pumps use
50KW over 90 days, not used much.
Good insulation.

"R D S" wrote in message
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I live in a terraced house, 2 beds + an unofficial one in the loft.

Heating is gas except for a little fan heater in the small kitchen which
keeps the place just above cold, and a convection heater in the loft room
controlled by a timer to heat the room to a comfortable temp during the
infrequent hours that my son is in there.
Cooking is electric.

Currently using 32Kw per day.

How does that compare with other's usage?

Seems a lot to me.

Two of us in 4 bed detached. Primary heating is gas. My (business
electronics) workshop on for probably 12 hours a day. Main desktop computer
24/7. 42" plasma TV (these are thirsty) about 6 hours. I record my usage
every day and typical winter daytime is between 20 and 28 units / day,
depending on whether I have to have any electric heating on in the workshop,
and night time 6 units pretty steady throughout the year. Summer is a little
less on the daytime on average, as no workshop heating. You could probably
reduce the overall by a few percent, as washing and drying from our food
business also gets done here, pretty much every day, sometimes on night time
cheap, and sometimes not .... Yeah, I know ... but as we all know, fighting
with the missus just ain't worth it ... :-)

Arfa

On 23/02/2014 11:11, R D S wrote:
I live in a terraced house, 2 beds + an unofficial one in the loft.

Heating is gas except for a little fan heater in the small kitchen which
keeps the place just above cold, and a convection heater in the loft room
controlled by a timer to heat the room to a comfortable temp during the
infrequent hours that my son is in there.
Cooking is electric.

Currently using 32Kw per day.

How does that compare with other's usage?


4 bedroom house I used 7,370 over last 12 months ... but using fan
heaters is expensive.



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On 23/02/2014 11:11, R D S wrote:
I live in a terraced house, 2 beds + an unofficial one in the loft.

Heating is gas except for a little fan heater in the small kitchen which
keeps the place just above cold, and a convection heater in the loft room
controlled by a timer to heat the room to a comfortable temp during the
infrequent hours that my son is in there.
Cooking is electric.

Currently using 32Kw per day.

How does that compare with other's usage?

Will depend a lot on the occupancy - is the house occupied during the day ?

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:11:02 +0000, R D S wrote:


Currently using 32Kw per day.

How does that compare with other's usage?

Ta for all the replies.

I've been looking over past usage and we'd typically use between 300 and
500 units per month depending on time of year.

This has risen dramatically over the last few months and the only thing I
can think of is that my teenage son has moved in with us (he's out 90% of
the time), and we got a dishwasher in summer.

I wouldn't have though that would cause our usage to almost double, i'm
going to have to get my dad hat on.

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 14:20:57 +0000, robert wrote:

On 23/02/2014 11:11, R D S wrote:

Currently using 32Kw per day.

How does that compare with other's usage?

Will depend a lot on the occupancy - is the house occupied during the
day ?

No, we're both out at 9.00am ish and back in at 7.00pm 5 days per week.
Son is at college, out at 7.00am & don't see him again until 11.00pm.
In most of the weekend.

R D S wrote:

we'd typically use between 300 and 500 units per month depending on
time of year.

This has risen dramatically over the last few months and the only
thing I can think of is that my teenage son has moved in with us

A gaming spec PC left on 24x7?

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 14:39:20 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

R D S wrote:

we'd typically use between 300 and 500 units per month depending on
time of year.

This has risen dramatically over the last few months and the only thing
I can think of is that my teenage son has moved in with us

A gaming spec PC left on 24x7?

There's a PC in the front room, it's not massive spec, a dual core summat
with GT8800 graphics that's left on more than it should be, do they pull
much on standby?

My missus tells me that she has to turn the lad's PS3 off every time she
goes upstairs.

R D S wrote:

There's a PC in the front room, it's not massive spec, a dual core summat
with GT8800 graphics that's left on more than it should be, do they pull
much on standby?

Shouldn't do on standby.

My missus tells me that she has to turn the lad's PS3 off every time she
goes upstairs.

rule of thumb, 1W = £1/year.

On 23/02/2014 14:57, Andy Burns wrote:
R D S wrote:

There's a PC in the front room, it's not massive spec, a dual core summat
with GT8800 graphics that's left on more than it should be, do they pull
much on standby?

Shouldn't do on standby.

My missus tells me that she has to turn the lad's PS3 off every time she
goes upstairs.

rule of thumb, 1W = £1/year.


Gas central heating. House occupied 24/7.
I use a 400w heater in a small room during the day.
Cooker dual fuel,dish washer,tumble dryer,wash machine.
Electric shower, and usual PC,TV,Fridge, freezer.
..
Average daily from 1/12/13 to 22/2/14 12.28kW

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 14:39:20 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

A gaming spec PC left on 24x7?

I've got a Dell XPS laptop with a duff battery, it gets turned off but
never gets unplugged, I guess that's always drawing power?

R D S wrote:

I've got a Dell XPS laptop with a duff battery, it gets turned off but
never gets unplugged, I guess that's always drawing power?

Probably not, unless the laptop or power brick stays constantly hot ...

On 23/02/2014 16:01, Andy Burns wrote:
R D S wrote:

I've got a Dell XPS laptop with a duff battery, it gets turned off but
never gets unplugged, I guess that's always drawing power?

Probably not, unless the laptop or power brick stays constantly hot ...


Cant you get the laptop/pc to go to sleep mode if not used after a given
time? Not sure but there maybe a setting to auto turn off after a given
time.

On 23/02/2014 14:54, R D S wrote:
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 14:39:20 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

R D S wrote:

we'd typically use between 300 and 500 units per month depending on
time of year.

This has risen dramatically over the last few months and the only thing
I can think of is that my teenage son has moved in with us

A gaming spec PC left on 24x7?

There's a PC in the front room, it's not massive spec, a dual core summat
with GT8800 graphics that's left on more than it should be, do they pull
much on standby?

My missus tells me that she has to turn the lad's PS3 off every time she
goes upstairs.

Use a plug-in power meter to check the PS3, it's a bit juicy.
When my son lived with me, there was
2 x TV left on standby (1W each)
1 x PS3 left on (24W running about 11W on standby)
1 x Old style Sky box (24W standby or running), New HD boxes are
better(ish).
But - the TV in the bedroom was often left on when he fell asleep (100W
plus), lights left on (changed to low energy, 280W down to 40W).
The net result was that the 'leccy consumption halved when he moved out.
The number of times that I came home to both TVs on, Sky box on, PS3 on,
lounge and bedroom lights on and number one son out for the
evening...... Grrrr.....
My bill in this house is approx 160KWH (£25 a month + standing charge).
Mind you this is now a 2 bed semi, I was in a 4 bed det (thanks Virgin
Money/Northern Rock) :-)
Dave
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On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 12:09:37 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

R D S wrote:

I live in a terraced house, 2 beds + an unofficial one in the loft.

3 bed semi, gas for water & central heating, almost all CFL/LED lighting
(very little) electric cooking.

Currently using 32Kw per day.

136kWh/month

Similar setup, but electricity for all but CH: ~3.8kWh/day.
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"R D S" wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 14:39:20 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

A gaming spec PC left on 24x7?

I've got a Dell XPS laptop with a duff battery, it gets turned off but
never gets unplugged, I guess that's always drawing power?



Anything on standby will consume power, and that includes external PSUs,
even when the load that they are connected to is, to all intents and
purposes, off. If you have a lot of such standby consumption, then
obviously, it does add up, but not to anything especially significant, even
if you add it up over a year. A lot of nonsense is talked about standby
power consumption. With modern equipment utilizing switchmode power
supplies, the standby demand can be below a couple of watts, due to
techniques like operating the supply in an eco burst mode. Designers of smps
controller ICs, and the manufacturers of equipment that they are used in,
have worked hard to get standby consumption down to the absolute minimum
since eco-bollox green mist took over our daily lives. A lot of ill-informed
advice has been given out in recent years about switching equipment off
completely when it's not in use, but as a very long-term repairer of
switchers, I would never advocate this, as the time that they always fail,
is at switch on, after having been off for a while. Left alone, they are
generally very reliable these days. Bear in mind also when considering what
you might turn off to get consumption down, that many manufacturers have
their equipment put into standby rather than full off when you hit the
button, in order to facilitate various housekeeping functions, such as
automatic software updates, and EPG an OS updating on STBs.

As to why the household consumption has gone up since a son moved back in, I
would be surprised, from experience, if the two weren't directly related ...

It should be easy enough to take some covert readings first thing in the
morning, last thing at night, and in between when possible i.e. at the
weekend. This should give you a good idea of when the high usage is, without
alerting the boy to what is going on.

As to the PS3 or whatever being on, these can pull a lot of input power when
they are running some of the games, even idling. Call of Duty is
particularly bad for thrashing the graphics engine very hard ...

Arfa

It's what ever I decide the meter should read.

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On 23/02/2014 17:28, ARW wrote:
It's what ever I decide the meter should read.

Same here, it is what it is, and can't be bothered to keep looking at
what is being used

"R D S" wrote in message
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I live in a terraced house, 2 beds + an unofficial one in the loft.

Heating is gas except for a little fan heater in the small kitchen which
keeps the place just above cold, and a convection heater in the loft room
controlled by a timer to heat the room to a comfortable temp during the
infrequent hours that my son is in there.
Cooking is electric.

Currently using 32Kw per day.

How does that compare with other's usage?

For everything.
Minus 36Kwh/year.

On 23/02/14 11:30, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:11:02 +0000 (UTC), R D S wrote:

Currently using 32Kw per day.

How does that compare with other's usage?

Take out the night storeage heaters and we are normally around 20
kWHr/day. But when No.1 Daughter is home and the electric heater is
on in her room it easily adds another 10 kWHrs. Power use plot shows
it to be about 800 W on a 50% (ish) duty cycle 24/7.


1 bed flat 5.3kWh per day (Nov€“Feb), average over whole year 4.3

Gas cooking, central heating & Combi for Hot Water, so that is almost
all lighting + computing.

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According to my annual statement, 13130kWh gas and 4455kWh electricity.
I think that's on the high side as the statement included a £240 refund.

1892 terraced house, split into two 2-bed flats. One gas cooker, one
electric cooker, gas central heating and hot water.

jgh

On 23/02/2014 16:35, Arfa Daily wrote:

As to the PS3 or whatever being on, these can pull a lot of input power
when they are running some of the games, even idling. Call of Duty is
particularly bad for thrashing the graphics engine very hard ...

OOI, I just metered the power increase on my main graphics/gaming
machine when switching from desktop to Splinter Cell Blacklist... around
60W - 70W extra. (nVidea GForce 210, Core2Quad 9550)


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On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:11:02 +0000 (UTC), R D S
wrote:

I live in a terraced house, 2 beds + an unofficial one in the loft.

Heating is gas except for a little fan heater in the small kitchen which
keeps the place just above cold, and a convection heater in the loft room
controlled by a timer to heat the room to a comfortable temp during the
infrequent hours that my son is in there.
Cooking is electric.

Currently using 32Kw per day.

How does that compare with other's usage?

Four adults in a 2.5 bed semi with three tv and three PC working all
the time, 12.8kw per day.

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 14:39:20 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

A gaming spec PC left on 24x7?

Or an old PC like this one, approx 10 years old 1 GHz single core
Athlon. Takes 150 W quite often on from 0800 to midnight. 2.4 kWHr
or more than 10% of the average daily consumption...

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Dave.

On 23/02/2014 18:55, harryagain wrote:
"R D S" wrote in message
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I live in a terraced house, 2 beds + an unofficial one in the loft.

Heating is gas except for a little fan heater in the small kitchen which
keeps the place just above cold, and a convection heater in the loft room
controlled by a timer to heat the room to a comfortable temp during the
infrequent hours that my son is in there.
Cooking is electric.

Currently using 32Kw per day.

How does that compare with other's usage?

For everything.
Minus 36Kwh/year.



Hmm..

I would estimate about 4000Kwh from a 4kwp solar array.
So that's about 11kwh a day.

Its going to take about 20 kwh to charge the car.

So you don't use the car enough to need one.

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On 23/02/2014 18:55, harryagain wrote:
"R D S" wrote in message
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I live in a terraced house, 2 beds + an unofficial one in the loft.

Heating is gas except for a little fan heater in the small kitchen which
keeps the place just above cold, and a convection heater in the loft
room
controlled by a timer to heat the room to a comfortable temp during the
infrequent hours that my son is in there.
Cooking is electric.

Currently using 32Kw per day.

How does that compare with other's usage?

For everything.
Minus 36Kwh/year.



Hmm..

I would estimate about 4000Kwh from a 4kwp solar array.
So that's about 11kwh a day.

Its going to take about 20 kwh to charge the car.

So you don't use the car enough to need one.

4000Kwh is about right.
I don't use the car every day being retired.
I could manage without but shrouds don't have pockets.
A full charge would be 16Kwh, taking 8hrs at home.
I never run it to depletion. (Now that would be a stupid thing to do)
Usually around 30% to 60% depleted.
ie = 6Kwh-10Kwh is needed to charge.
I once ran it down to 90% depleted.

I try to recharge the car from the PVpanels, ie when the sun is shining.
Probably get 75% of power for the car for free.
Just keep an eye on the weather forecast.

My main consumer of electricity is the TV which is plasma and on at night.
(No PV power).
And freezers. I have a time switch on them to prevent them coming on at
night in the Summer so making use of the PV power by day.

You can buy battery systems but not worth the expense. I know someone who
has them though.
In Summer he use virtually zero mains electricty. They only need enopugh
capacity for one nights use. (TV lights etc)
He has an enormous (rotating) PV panel. So even on dull days he can charge
his batteries.
You could make up a setup from easily available parts foromeg Machine Mart.
Prob. a £grand
I think batteries (life) would be the problem

Will depend a lot on the occupancy - is the house occupied during the
day ?

No, we're both out at 9.00am ish and back in at 7.00pm 5 days per week.
Son is at college, out at 7.00am & don't see him again until 11.00pm.
In most of the weekend.

How far away is your son's college? Having had sons of that age at home I
would suggest you try a few unexpected visits home during the day, if you
can, to see if he is really out all day or not.

On 23/02/2014 18:55, harryagain wrote:
"R D S" wrote in message
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I live in a terraced house, 2 beds + an unofficial one in the loft.

Heating is gas except for a little fan heater in the small kitchen which
keeps the place just above cold, and a convection heater in the loft room
controlled by a timer to heat the room to a comfortable temp during the
infrequent hours that my son is in there.
Cooking is electric.

Currently using 32Kw per day.

How does that compare with other's usage?

For everything.
Minus 36Kwh/year.


That is not an answer to the question asked. The amount you might
generate is quite irrelevant to how much you use.

Colin Bignell

On 23/02/2014 11:11, R D S wrote:
I live in a terraced house, 2 beds + an unofficial one in the loft.

Heating is gas except for a little fan heater in the small kitchen which
keeps the place just above cold, and a convection heater in the loft room
controlled by a timer to heat the room to a comfortable temp during the
infrequent hours that my son is in there.
Cooking is electric.

Currently using 32Kw per day.

How does that compare with other's usage?


According to my annual statement, the electricity company expect me to
use 25,425 kWh per annum. Detached three bedroom house. I don't have gas
and the only insulation is 100mm of mineral wool in the loft. The roof
will need replacing soon, so that will come out and I will have Celotex
between and under rafter insulation fitted to bring it up to current
insulation standards. Several windows are showing various degrees of
rot, so they are also on schedule for replacement with modern double
glazed units. I will probably have the cavity walls insulated while I am
at it, so the estimated use will probably be wrong.

Colin Bignell

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:35:04 +0000, PeterC wrote:

Similar setup, but electricity for all but CH: ~3.8kWh/day.

How the feck do you get it so low? Our "everyone asleep in bed" base
load is 300 W or 7.2 kWHr/day. Daytime base load is around 1 kW, but
then we self employed and normally in rather than M-F 9-5 wage
slaves.

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Cheers
Dave.

On 23/02/2014 11:11, R D S wrote:
I live in a terraced house, 2 beds + an unofficial one in the loft.

Heating is gas except for a little fan heater in the small kitchen which
keeps the place just above cold, and a convection heater in the loft room
controlled by a timer to heat the room to a comfortable temp during the
infrequent hours that my son is in there.
Cooking is electric.

Currently using 32Kw per day.

How does that compare with other's usage?


1 or 2 adults, in about half the time, 4 bed terrace, Gas CH, water and
hob, everything else electric including shower - about 4kW/day through
the year. But then I am quite mean and have bought low energy things the
past few years.

The oddest thing for me, though, is gas. My winter consumption has
increased from 30 kW/day to 50 kW/day when comparing my previous house,
which was much the same size/insulation and had a non-condensing boiler.

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On 24/02/2014 09:34, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:35:04 +0000, PeterC wrote:

Similar setup, but electricity for all but CH: ~3.8kWh/day.

How the feck do you get it so low? Our "everyone asleep in bed" base
load is 300 W or 7.2 kWHr/day. Daytime base load is around 1 kW, but
then we self employed and normally in rather than M-F 9-5 wage
slaves.

Mine is a bungalow and 10kWh/day average annual usage including a 3kW
thermostatic fan heater in my office during cold winter days. Oil CH.

Daytime base load about 500W tops and night time 100W. My fastest PC
(but with no gaming graphics card) runs cold idling at 65W and 200W flat
out. Most frequently used lights are now all CFL or LED.

I used an OWL and a individual power monitor to find and eliminate
unnecessary base loads using smart sockets. Suspect TVs on high power
standby and badly behaved PC sound systems as likely power hogs.

There is usually a setting buried deep in the menus to disable the TDTV
decoder when the set is nominally in "standby". I could shave another
12W off base load if I powered down the router overnight.

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 09:34:37 +0000 (GMT), Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:35:04 +0000, PeterC wrote:

Similar setup, but electricity for all but CH: ~3.8kWh/day.

How the feck do you get it so low? Our "everyone asleep in bed" base
load is 300 W or 7.2 kWHr/day. Daytime base load is around 1 kW, but
then we self employed and normally in rather than M-F 9-5 wage
slaves.

Um, not sure - I've just checked it again, taking the two highest ½-year
amounts and that's it.
At night there'll be the fridge-freezer occasionally and the boiler
circuitry, plus 1W for the PVR.
Peak load would be the shower (4.75kW) for a few minutes, the kettle (3kW)
and the washing machine (2.2kW intermittent) which is 8kg so used about 1.5
times a week.
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