Nice bit of Russian DIY, someone sent a link to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6419y4N4Q#t=71

Simon.

On 26/11/2013 19:14, sm_jamieson wrote:
Nice bit of Russian DIY, someone sent a link to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6419y4N4Q#t=71

I love the winch.

Colin Bignell

On 26/11/2013 19:28, Nightjar wrote:
On 26/11/2013 19:14, sm_jamieson wrote:
Nice bit of Russian DIY, someone sent a link to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6419y4N4Q#t=71

I love the winch.

Colin Bignell

Was it on the "pallet" when it went in? If not, how the hell did they
get it in place? That was a seriously competent bit of recovery work! I
wouldn't have had the nerve to stand alongside the car like that.

On 26/11/2013 19:36, newshound wrote:
On 26/11/2013 19:28, Nightjar wrote:
On 26/11/2013 19:14, sm_jamieson wrote:
Nice bit of Russian DIY, someone sent a link to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6419y4N4Q#t=71

I love the winch.


Was it on the "pallet" when it went in? If not, how the hell did they
get it in place? That was a seriously competent bit of recovery work! I
wouldn't have had the nerve to stand alongside the car like that.

Vodka probably helps, both in getting it in and getting it out.

Colin Bignell

newshound wrote:

Was it on the "pallet" when it went in?

I think not. In the comments someone says that the wooden bit was
originally V-shaped and was expanded so it gripped the inside edges of the
vehicle's rear tires, but that doesn't altogether explain how they could get
wooden bits far enough under the rear of the vehicle to get to where they
could grip.

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On 26/11/2013 19:58, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote:
newshound wrote:

Was it on the "pallet" when it went in?

I think not. In the comments someone says that the wooden bit was
originally V-shaped and was expanded so it gripped the inside edges of the
vehicle's rear tires, but that doesn't altogether explain how they could get
wooden bits far enough under the rear of the vehicle to get to where they
could grip.


The wooden bits don't need to grip.
They are there to stop the bottom of the car being ripped out by the ice.
You put them in and then start to drag the car up them and when in place
attach them to the tow line and pull the whole thing out.

"dennis@home" wrote:

The wooden bits don't need to grip. They are there to stop the bottom of
the car being ripped out by the ice. You put them in and then start to
drag the car up them and when in place attach them to the tow line and
pull the whole thing out.

I'm not sure whether there's a tow-line attached to the car - how would you
get it attached in the first place? - or attached to the wooden thing.

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On 26/11/2013 20:16, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote:
"dennis@home" wrote:

The wooden bits don't need to grip. They are there to stop the bottom of
the car being ripped out by the ice. You put them in and then start to
drag the car up them and when in place attach them to the tow line and
pull the whole thing out.

I'm not sure whether there's a tow-line attached to the car - how would you
get it attached in the first place? - or attached to the wooden thing.


I would think someone got wet and cold.

On 26/11/2013 20:41, dennis@home wrote:
On 26/11/2013 20:16, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote:
"dennis@home" wrote:

The wooden bits don't need to grip. They are there to stop the bottom of
the car being ripped out by the ice. You put them in and then start to
drag the car up them and when in place attach them to the tow line and
pull the whole thing out.

I'm not sure whether there's a tow-line attached to the car - how
would you
get it attached in the first place? - or attached to the wooden thing.


I would think someone got wet and cold.

Running the text on the vid description through google translate gives:

April 2013. Baikal, the Small Sea. No wind, and take part in
international competitions buernomu sports watching with interest the
triumph of Russian intelligence. Adding and answers
: The car was at a depth of 3-3.5 meters. Increased, trim chainsaw ice.
Hooked hook almost without problems. Machine "live" today.

The bit about hooking seems to suggest a fishing style exercise...

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newshound :
I wouldn't have had the nerve to stand alongside the car like that.

I assume that the ice thickness had increased significantly since the
car went through. Otherwise, I wouldn't like to be anywhere near it
either.

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On 26/11/2013 20:16, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote:
"dennis@home" wrote:

The wooden bits don't need to grip. They are there to stop the bottom of
the car being ripped out by the ice. You put them in and then start to
drag the car up them and when in place attach them to the tow line and
pull the whole thing out.

I'm not sure whether there's a tow-line attached to the car - how would you
get it attached in the first place? - or attached to the wooden thing.

There is a strop around the front of the car. How it got there is
another matter.

Colin Bignell

On 26/11/2013 19:28, Nightjar wrote:
On 26/11/2013 19:14, sm_jamieson wrote:
Nice bit of Russian DIY, someone sent a link to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6419y4N4Q#t=71

I love the winch.

Colin Bignell


Ditto. I was disappointed that they didn't start the car and drive it
away once they'd got it out. g
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On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:58:38 PM UTC, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote:
newshound wrote:



Was it on the "pallet" when it went in?



I think not. In the comments someone says that the wooden bit was

originally V-shaped and was expanded so it gripped the inside edges of the

vehicle's rear tires, but that doesn't altogether explain how they could get

wooden bits far enough under the rear of the vehicle to get to where they

could grip.

The link starts at 1:10 into the video. If you restart it from the beginning, you get a better idea of how they did it.

I never thought they'd get it out like that; I thought the ice edge would break up under the wooden sled runners.

I suspect they've done it before a few times.

On 26/11/2013 23:24, Roger Mills wrote:
On 26/11/2013 19:28, Nightjar wrote:
On 26/11/2013 19:14, sm_jamieson wrote:
Nice bit of Russian DIY, someone sent a link to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6419y4N4Q#t=71

I love the winch.

Colin Bignell


Ditto. I was disappointed that they didn't start the car and drive it
away once they'd got it out. g

Yes but it wasn't a Toyota!

On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:47:40 PM UTC, newshound wrote:

Ditto. I was disappointed that they didn't start the car and drive it

away once they'd got it out. g



Yes but it wasn't a Toyota!

Nor a T-34.

On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 11:14:07 -0800 (PST), sm_jamieson
wrote:

Nice bit of Russian DIY, someone sent a link to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6419y4N4Q#t=71

Even more impressive if it had been a Toyota ad, and he'd jumped in
and started it right up.

On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:27:56 +0000, John Rumm wrote:

The wooden bits don't need to grip. They are there to stop the
bottom
of the car being ripped out by the ice.

That I'll agree with.

You put them in and then start to drag the car up them and when
in
place attach them to the tow line and pull the whole thing out.

No, doesn't look like that. The timbers are shoved down as far as
they can be then the cross piece attached and the tow line to the
timbers. There is some (possibly adjustable) wire link from the cross
piece to the car but only a couple of wires. The windlass (love that)
is then use to pull on the frame and slowly lift/lever the car out of
the water. The distance from the cross peice to rear tyres shortens
several times, that's why I think the wire link is adjustable.

I'm not sure whether there's a tow-line attached to the car - how
would you get it attached in the first place? - or attached to
the
wooden thing.

That bit of construction is shown earlier.

I would think someone got wet and cold.

The bit about hooking seems to suggest a fishing style exercise...

It would be fairly easy to push a loop of wire rope over/around the
rear wheel(s) with a pole and attach to the timber frame. I don't
think even Russians would get into that water unless they absolutely
had no choice,

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On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:46:12 +0000, Nightjar wrote:

There is a strop around the front of the car. How it got there is
another matter.

Is it a strop? I thought it was a bit of broken black plastic
trim/valance that had come up from underneath somewhere.

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On 27/11/2013 23:25, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:46:12 +0000, Nightjar wrote:

There is a strop around the front of the car. How it got there is
another matter.

Is it a strop? I thought it was a bit of broken black plastic
trim/valance that had come up from underneath somewhere.

Looking at it again, you are probably right. What I took to be a line
leading back from it may well be the edge of the bonnet.

Colin Bignell

On 28/11/2013 00:28, Nightjar wrote:
On 27/11/2013 23:25, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:46:12 +0000, Nightjar wrote:

There is a strop around the front of the car. How it got there is
another matter.

Is it a strop? I thought it was a bit of broken black plastic
trim/valance that had come up from underneath somewhere.

Looking at it again, you are probably right. What I took to be a line
leading back from it may well be the edge of the bonnet.

Given the way the wood levered the car up and out, it would not really
matter where you pulled it from - so the back would work just as well.


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On 28/11/2013 00:51, John Rumm wrote:
On 28/11/2013 00:28, Nightjar wrote:
On 27/11/2013 23:25, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:46:12 +0000, Nightjar wrote:

There is a strop around the front of the car. How it got there is
another matter.

Is it a strop? I thought it was a bit of broken black plastic
trim/valance that had come up from underneath somewhere.

Looking at it again, you are probably right. What I took to be a line
leading back from it may well be the edge of the bonnet.

Given the way the wood levered the car up and out, it would not really
matter where you pulled it from - so the back would work just as well.


I do get the impression this is not the first time they have had to do it.

Colin Bignell

On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 00:28:57 +0000, Nightjar wrote:

There is a strop around the front of the car. How it got there is
another matter.

Is it a strop? I thought it was a bit of broken black plastic
trim/valance that had come up from underneath somewhere.

Looking at it again, you are probably right. What I took to be a line
leading back from it may well be the edge of the bonnet.

Yep, it's just the remains of a cosmetic plastic wind/stone chip
deflector from the leading edge of the bonnet. Not exactly uncommon on
Jap-Spec vehicles like that.

http://snipurl.com/288iynt

http://www.direct4x4.co.uk/media/cat...oduct/cache/1/
image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/2/3/230_6_.jpg

On 28/11/2013 08:27, Nightjar wrote:
On 28/11/2013 00:51, John Rumm wrote:
On 28/11/2013 00:28, Nightjar wrote:
On 27/11/2013 23:25, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:46:12 +0000, Nightjar wrote:

There is a strop around the front of the car. How it got there is
another matter.

Is it a strop? I thought it was a bit of broken black plastic
trim/valance that had come up from underneath somewhere.

Looking at it again, you are probably right. What I took to be a line
leading back from it may well be the edge of the bonnet.

Given the way the wood levered the car up and out, it would not really
matter where you pulled it from - so the back would work just as well.


I do get the impression this is not the first time they have had to do it.

Yup it looked like a fairly well practised routine...

Rather impressed with the simplicity and effectiveness of the pulling
mechanism as well.

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Dave Liquorice :
The windlass (love that)

I liked it as well. But why did they put the tallest pusher on the
inside and the shortest one on the outside?

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