Are all plumbers incapable of re fixing floor boards? My bathroom floor has
been getting more and more creaky as the years go by. This week I decided to
pull back the carpet and see what the problem is.

You guessed it, floor boards cut in numerous places and split by inept re
fixing, and great chunks of joists missing where old plumbing had once been.
I have now set new wood into the joists, added extra bearers where boards
were cut mid span, and replaced three planks altogether. Bliss I can now
walk across the bathroom without hearing a single creak.

Mike

On Thursday 01 August 2013 17:21 Muddymike wrote in uk.d-i-y:

Are all plumbers incapable of re fixing floor boards?

Yes. Next question...

My advice re your boards (if not now, but next time) is to screw them down.
Makes future lifting easier and less likely to develop new creaks.

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On 01/08/13 17:33, Tim Watts wrote:
On Thursday 01 August 2013 17:21 Muddymike wrote in uk.d-i-y:

Are all plumbers incapable of re fixing floor boards?
Yes. Next question...
except when it involves nailing through the pipe underneath.

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On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 18:24:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Are all plumbers incapable of re fixing floor boards?

Yes. Next question...

except when it involves nailing through the pipe underneath.

Ah but it takes years of skill to put a nail into a pipe in such
manner that it doesn't leak straight away and set up in such away
that it fails 3 years later 30 mins after you lock the front door at
the start of a fortnights holiday. Then not to fail so badly that
water starts to leak out of the house altering neighbours, but badly
enough to bring down the ceilings and soak everything else.

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On 01/08/2013 17:21, Muddymike wrote:
Are all plumbers incapable of re fixing floor boards?

They are genetically programmed to be unable to do so.

My bathroom floor
has been getting more and more creaky as the years go by. This week I
decided to pull back the carpet and see what the problem is.

Our landing was the same. So noisy me walking across it would wake up
SWMBO.

You guessed it, floor boards cut in numerous places and split by inept
re fixing, and great chunks of joists missing where old plumbing had
once been. I have now set new wood into the joists, added extra bearers
where boards were cut mid span, and replaced three planks altogether.
Bliss I can now walk across the bathroom without hearing a single creak.

Mike

Yup, same story here. Our landing is only about 8' x 6' and had 9
separate pieces of chipboard, none of which were fixed down properly.


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Yup, same story here. Our landing is only about 8' x 6' and had 9
separate pieces of chipboard, none of which were fixed down properly.


And why do builder fix skirting with bloody great long nails so that the
skirting and the wall gets wrecked if you try to remove it?

DerbyBorn wrote:
Yup, same story here. Our landing is only about 8' x 6' and had 9
separate pieces of chipboard, none of which were fixed down properly.


And why do builder fix skirting with bloody great long nails so that the
skirting and the wall gets wrecked if you try to remove it?
Also the nails go through the TV cable for the room below. This is
surprisingly common.

Bill

On Friday, August 2, 2013 6:54:08 AM UTC+12, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 18:24:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:



Are all plumbers incapable of re fixing floor boards?



Yes. Next question...



except when it involves nailing through the pipe underneath.



Ah but it takes years of skill to put a nail into a pipe in such

manner that it doesn't leak straight away and set up in such away

that it fails 3 years later 30 mins after you lock the front door at

the start of a fortnights holiday. Then not to fail so badly that

water starts to leak out of the house altering neighbours, but badly

enough to bring down the ceilings and soak everything else.

Moral of the story is to turn off the water when going on holiday.

I am more and more convinced that houses should be designed in such a way that wiring and plumbing can be added later by means of large conduits or inspection hatches or crawlways. My last two houses have had easy access under the roof or false ceilings to add new wiring, e.g. for broadband cables that were not thought of 50 years ago.

Tim Watts wrote:
On Thursday 01 August 2013 17:21 Muddymike wrote in uk.d-i-y:

Are all plumbers incapable?

Yes. Next question...

I've corrected your post for you.

;-)

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On Friday 02 August 2013 03:06 Matty F wrote in uk.d-i-y:

I am more and more convinced that houses should be designed in such a way
that wiring and plumbing can be added later by means of large conduits or
inspection hatches or crawlways. My last two houses have had easy access
under the roof or false ceilings to add new wiring, e.g. for broadband
cables that were not thought of 50 years ago.

I did that. I have 2 basket trays running in counter-opposites U's around 3
sides of the house. One for LV (mains) and the other for ELV (12V SELV,
networking, aerials etc).

Plumbing runs along the base of the dormer walls above and in front of the
trays.

In both cases, drops run effortlessly parallel to the joists to their final
destination.

The plumbing will have some removal panels in front at the expense of 50mm
of wall thickness.

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Wasp nest removers seem to have been to the same floorboard fixing school
I fancy, as I have a creaky floor after they took it up to kill the colony
under there.

Brian

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"Muddymike" wrote in message
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Are all plumbers incapable of re fixing floor boards? My bathroom floor
has been getting more and more creaky as the years go by. This week I
decided to pull back the carpet and see what the problem is.

You guessed it, floor boards cut in numerous places and split by inept re
fixing, and great chunks of joists missing where old plumbing had once
been. I have now set new wood into the joists, added extra bearers where
boards were cut mid span, and replaced three planks altogether. Bliss I
can now walk across the bathroom without hearing a single creak.

Mike

"Brian Gaff" wrote in
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Wasp nest removers seem to have been to the same floorboard fixing
school I fancy, as I have a creaky floor after they took it up to kill
the colony under there.

Brian


.....and if the builders had done good job then there would be no way that
the wasps would hve got in.

On Friday 02 August 2013 10:35 Huge wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On 2013-08-02, Matty F wrote:


I am more and more convinced that houses should be designed in such a way
that wiring and plumbing can be added later by means of large conduits or
inspection hatches or crawlways.

Hear, hear, but it costs money.


But next to bugger all.

Oval conduit costs peanuts and is no more difficult to fit than capping and
barely any thicker.


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On 01/08/2013 17:21, Muddymike wrote:
Are all plumbers incapable of re fixing floor boards? My bathroom floor
has been getting more and more creaky as the years go by. This week I
decided to pull back the carpet and see what the problem is.

You guessed it, floor boards cut in numerous places and split by inept
re fixing, and great chunks of joists missing where old plumbing had
once been. I have now set new wood into the joists, added extra bearers
where boards were cut mid span, and replaced three planks altogether.
Bliss I can now walk across the bathroom without hearing a single creak.

Not even from your knees, after all that work on the floor?

Colin Bignell

On 02/08/13 13:04, Huge wrote:
On 2013-08-02, Tim Watts wrote:
On Friday 02 August 2013 10:35 Huge wrote in uk.d-i-y:

On 2013-08-02, Matty F wrote:


I am more and more convinced that houses should be designed in such a way
that wiring and plumbing can be added later by means of large conduits or
inspection hatches or crawlways.
Hear, hear, but it costs money.

But next to bugger all.
If you're a housebuilder, every £ you can save is a £ more in your pocket.


Well I have been involved in stuff like that - running cables in
underfloor conduits and over the tops of suspended ceilings.

The ability to route cables is not the issue: what is is the time and
cost of terminating them..


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Moral of the story is to turn off the water when going on holiday.

I am more and more convinced that houses should be designed in such a way
that wiring and plumbing can be added later by means of large conduits or
inspection hatches or crawlways. My last two houses have had easy access
under the roof or false ceilings to add new wiring, e.g. for broadband
cables that were not thought of 50 years ago.

I alway wire my houses so that wiring drops to switches/sockets are in
conduit.

harryagain wrote

I am more and more convinced that houses should be designed in such a way
that wiring and plumbing can be added later by means of large conduits or
inspection hatches or crawlways.

I'm not, there are much better ways of doing that.

My last two houses have had easy access under the roof or false ceilings
to add new wiring, e.g. for broadband cables that were not thought of 50
years ago.

Mine has too, and since its metal decking, its
completely trivial to lift one panel as well too.

I alway wire my houses so that wiring drops to switches/sockets are in
conduit.

I don’t, because the walls are concrete block
which has a cavity that is fine for that.