£1,146,614 for wind farms to shut turbines for one day

http://www.scotsman.com/news/environ...to-shut-turbin
es-for-one-day-1-2920750


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On Mon, 06 May 2013 14:19:02 +0100 (BST)
"Dave Liquorice" wrote:


£1,146,614 for wind farms to shut turbines for one day

http://www.scotsman.com/news/environ...to-shut-turbin
es-for-one-day-1-2920750



Yes, I wondered about that. I bet they don't include that in the
calculations to show how cost-effective the darned things are.
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Davey.

On 06/05/2013 14:19, Dave Liquorice wrote:

£1,146,614 for wind farms to shut turbines for one day

http://www.scotsman.com/news/environ...to-shut-turbin
es-for-one-day-1-2920750


Having unwrapped that to

http://tinyurl.com/c4ndlf7

how does that compare with what they'd have been paid if the power had
been needed?

Andy

On Mon, 06 May 2013 21:27:07 +0100, Andy Champ wrote:

http://www.scotsman.com/news/environ...farms-to-shut-
turbines-for-one-day-1-2920750

Having unwrapped that to

http://tinyurl.com/c4ndlf7

Ta, I forgot. too incensed... B-)

how does that compare with what they'd have been paid if the power had
been needed?

I thought this paragraph was in the Scotsman story, it's still in the
Telegraph:

"EDF charged between £89 to £149 for every megawatt hour (MWh) of energy
that was not produced, compared to £50 per MWh the company would have
received for selling it."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ottish-wind-fa
rms-paid-1-million-to-shut-down-one-day.html

http://tinyurl.com/bq5vxj3

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"Andy Champ" wrote in message
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On 06/05/2013 14:19, Dave Liquorice wrote:

£1,146,614 for wind farms to shut turbines for one day

http://www.scotsman.com/news/environ...to-shut-turbin
es-for-one-day-1-2920750


Having unwrapped that to

http://tinyurl.com/c4ndlf7

how does that compare with what they'd have been paid if the power had
been needed?

From the information in the article the payments work out at £2,000 pa per
turbine

You can also work out that the owner of the land is paid approx 7,000 pa per
turbine, but that's just rent and got nothing to do with power generated

From Wikipedia (if you can believe that) each of these particular turbines
is 2.3 megawatts,

but here I am stuck

To get to chargeable units (kW/h) per year do you multiply by 1 (year),
365(days), 8760 (hours), 525600 (mins) or 31526000 (seconds).

but even if that's the amount generated in a year, at 5p per unit that's
115K per turbine, so 2K is pretty much in the noise even then. (and they
cost a million and a bit pounds each to put up, so that makes sense as well)

tim

"tim......" wrote in message
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"Andy Champ" wrote in message
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On 06/05/2013 14:19, Dave Liquorice wrote:

£1,146,614 for wind farms to shut turbines for one day

http://www.scotsman.com/news/environ...to-shut-turbin
es-for-one-day-1-2920750


Having unwrapped that to

http://tinyurl.com/c4ndlf7

how does that compare with what they'd have been paid if the power had
been needed?

From the information in the article the payments work out at £2,000 pa per
turbine

You can also work out that the owner of the land is paid approx 7,000 pa
per turbine, but that's just rent and got nothing to do with power
generated

From Wikipedia (if you can believe that) each of these particular turbines
is 2.3 megawatts,

but here I am stuck

To get to chargeable units (kW/h) per year do you multiply by 1 (year),
365(days), 8760 (hours), 525600 (mins) or 31526000 (seconds).

but even if that's the amount generated in a year, at 5p per unit that's
115K per turbine, so 2K is pretty much in the noise even then. (and they
cost a million and a bit pounds each to put up, so that makes sense as
well)

Oops, silly me, forgot to divide by that 1000.

So either it makes 100 pounds pa, which is silly or we multiply up by hours
to give 900K pa

Nice work if you can get it

tim

On 06/05/13 21:27, Andy Champ wrote:
On 06/05/2013 14:19, Dave Liquorice wrote:

£1,146,614 for wind farms to shut turbines for one day

http://www.scotsman.com/news/environ...to-shut-turbin

es-for-one-day-1-2920750


Having unwrapped that to

http://tinyurl.com/c4ndlf7

how does that compare with what they'd have been paid if the power had
been needed?

Andy
In the telegraph they said about three times as much.


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On 06/05/13 21:48, tim...... wrote:

"Andy Champ" wrote in message
...
On 06/05/2013 14:19, Dave Liquorice wrote:

£1,146,614 for wind farms to shut turbines for one day

http://www.scotsman.com/news/environ...to-shut-turbin

es-for-one-day-1-2920750


Having unwrapped that to

http://tinyurl.com/c4ndlf7

how does that compare with what they'd have been paid if the power
had been needed?

From the information in the article the payments work out at £2,000 pa
per turbine

You can also work out that the owner of the land is paid approx 7,000
pa per turbine, but that's just rent and got nothing to do with power
generated

From Wikipedia (if you can believe that) each of these particular
turbines is 2.3 megawatts,

but here I am stuck

To get to chargeable units (kW/h) per year do you multiply by 1
(year), 365(days), 8760 (hours), 525600 (mins) or 31526000 (seconds).

8760 hours
but multiply by 0.25 for average output from the turbine.,

so a 2.3MW turbine (anout £2m installed ) generates around about 5
million units a year

Those sell with the FIT/ROC added at between 10 and 15p a unit. So an
income of about half a million to 3/4 of a million for a two million
investment.

which is good because they only last a few years before they are scrap.

The point is that the market rate at the time they were switched of was
around 5p a unit.


but even if that's the amount generated in a year, at 5p per unit
that's 115K per turbine, so 2K is pretty much in the noise even then.
(and they cost a million and a bit pounds each to put up, so that
makes sense as well)


More like £2.5m for a big 2.3MW one

The point is it shows what will happen if we end up with 30% average
grid down to wind. We would be routinely be throwing away terawatt
housrs and paying billions to turbine operators who are 'generating'
elecricity we dont need and cant use, bvecause in the end with a
'rebeable obligatinenshrined oin law, teh wind companies have the
government by the short hairs. And te word has got around - EDF are
simply taking the **** these days, treating DECC with the utter contempt
they deserve



tim








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On 06/05/2013 21:39, Dave Liquorice wrote:
"EDF charged between £89 to £149 for every megawatt hour (MWh) of energy
that was not produced, compared to £50 per MWh the company would have
received for selling it."

That's mad.

Why would they pay them more to feather their blades and save bearing wear?

Windmills might not be good at coming on when you want them to, but they
can go off at a moment's notice.

Andy

On 07/05/13 21:07, Andy Champ wrote:
On 06/05/2013 21:39, Dave Liquorice wrote:
"EDF charged between £89 to £149 for every megawatt hour (MWh) of energy
that was not produced, compared to £50 per MWh the company would have
received for selling it."

That's mad.

Why would they pay them more to feather their blades and save bearing
wear?

Ed Miliband, Energy secretary on the make, wanting th egreen stupid vote.
Clegg, deputy PM getting the green stupid vote. Wife on boarf of - yes -
windfarm company.
A half a dozen at least MPs in a position to c;lean up from wind power

Go figure.

Windmills might not be good at coming on when you want them to, but
they can go off at a moment's notice.


windmills are not good for anything.

Andy


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